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Yes, they do all those things. It's the reason they are so besot with cognitive dissonance.
Their love for the USA is often muted by the white guilt they feel causing them to "blame America first". Their celebration of our Constitutional 1st Amendment is now muted by the fact that the most extreme among them want to forcefully shut down opposition, so that supporting free speech now feels somehow racist. Liberals can't decide if they are beautiful individual butterflies, or cells in the body of the whole. Feminists can't decide if they want to use their sexuality as an asset or blame sexuality for male objectification. They can't decide if people get their gender identity in the womb or if they don't have an identity because they aren't yet people. They want to Socialize the benefits of Capitalism.
So yes. They join the military and then they protest it. They start companies and then demand new regulations (creating new barriers to entry they didn't have to face). They love the USA but feel guilty given our history. They are a group at odds with themselves, much like the rest of the country.
I pretty much agree with you, EXCEPT for who's to blame for it.. It's NOT liberals.. I'M a liberal.. It's the DEMOCRATS. But, they're Democrats in name only.. I call 'em DINOS.
Let's just take the movement in Berkeley to SHUT down free speech.. Those aren't liberals doing that. They're confused Democrats.. Liberals like me STARTED the free speech movement at that very university, and haven't changed our positions one bit..
Right wingers say they're NOT right wing - the middle moved away from them.. Same thing here.. I'm NOT a Democrat - they moved AWAY from me..
There are radicals in BOTH parties. The NAACP, that Southern legal bunch, The NRA, Breitbart type organizations. Dino's, Rino's, Nationalists, KKK, and many others on BOTH sides. Confused Democrats, confused conservatives, every political organization has its radicals since before Rome! It's just that, since Reagan and especially since Gingrich's "Contract with America", both sides have become more belligerent! One more offensive, one more defensive ... the radicals of BOTH sides are offensive!
I've voted both ways as a Democrat. Not likely will I vote for a Republican again, there are only a very few left.
There are less than 3,000 members of the KKK. There were millions at the women's march dressed as vaginas, covered in hijabs, and carrying signs with the word "p*ssy" on it, where flag burning and anti American signs were prevalant.
"I pretty much agree with you, EXCEPT for who's to blame for it.. It's NOT liberals.. I'M a liberal.. It's the DEMOCRATS"--------
Oh please Con. Lip service means nothing. The fact is, the "liberalism" you grew up with looks like us and the new liberalism looks like some wierd version of the twilight zone.
Liberals know that AMERICANS join the military, start companies (although they realize that NON-Americans start companies also ... on their way to BECOMING Americans), and they realize Americans love the U,S.A. Americans are from MANY parties.
They also know that POWER is dangerous as well as good! That the abuse of it MUST be controlled! When things look to be headed for a "one party system", it's not America anymore. When it looks headed for a "one religion country", it's not America anymore. When it looks like Americans refuse to play as a TEAM, where ALL Americans benefit, it's not America anymore.
I hear a lot of "We want our country back!" Since many of you were not born, or not old enough to KNOW what this country was when it WAS great (before Reagan).... what do you want back?? The country was largely controlled by liberals throughout those great years when we recognized our countries problems and constantly tried to work them out. Argued, debated, compromised .... the good old days. Both liberals and Republicans liked that! Since Reagan, we have a different type of "conservative" and few "Republicans" left. If you want your (our) country back, we need the Republicans to come back and join (and respect), U.S. liberals, THEN America will be great again!
"The country was largely controlled by liberals throughout those great years when we recognized our countries problems and constantly tried to work them out."-----
This is an amazing statement seeing that the KKK, at the height of its power, was the strong arm of the Democratic Party pre-Reagan. Are you claiming the "glory days" were white hoods and burning crosses on the lawns of black people?
You're confused.. Lemme help.. The racist haters you speak of, weren't liberals.. They were right wing Democrats. Liberals are people like ME, who believe in freedom for EVERYONE..
In fact, Al is right.. The country grew rich, proud and strong, in SPITE of the racism in the south.. It took a long time to get around to it, but liberals finally ENDED segregation.
The racists, of course, found a home in the Republican party.. Or, are you gonna tell me that Republicans passed voter ID laws to HELP black people???
"The country grew rich, proud and strong...."-----
At a time when the nation was 91% Christian according to the polls, the flag was respected.... and apparently when women were housewives raising the kids? You just sounded like you support old school conservative values and openly declare those values to be superior to liberalism.
"Liberals are people like ME, who believe in freedom for EVERYONE.."
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Which might be fine if that thinking kept hardcore drugs out of the hands of kids and allowed us to oppose our enemies. But it doesn't. It enables and glorifies drug dealers, demonizes law enforcement, and protects our open enemies under some tortured version of "protection from hate speech" even if their intent is to kill or destroy us from within.
"Or, are you gonna tell me that Republicans passed voter ID laws to HELP black people???"-------
No. We want voter ID's because they are necessary to insure only our people (American citizens) vote. Otherwise right wing Russians or Polish people could come over and the Republicans would never lose. And we assume that blacks can figure out how to get an ID just like us. You assume they are too stupid to do so... apparently. What you just demonstrated is the bigotry and racism of "low expectations" of a particular group.
Here's the problem; words like Democrat, Republican, conservative, and liberal are so flexible that they can mean nearly whatever you want and what you define them as can be challenged by anyone for any reason. The civil rights act of 1964 was supported by a higher percentage of Republicans and Democrats. This was not followed by racist democrats switching parties (which is why Sen.Byrd was a former kkk member). Nonetheless, it is perfectly acceptable to claim that Reps are racist and Dems are pro-minority (even though they have adopted the "white mans burden"). No one bats an eye.
P.S. there is 0 evidence that minority citizens have any issues with obtaining an ID. The ID laws were proposed to combat potential voting on the part of illegals, whom Dems pander to. While evidence of voter fraud is scant, evidence that minorities have problems with ID's is scanter. Dems made that up and cried racism in the hopes that future voter fraud by their new base will go unchecked.
Aaaaah... Good old Robert Byrd, the Grand Wizard of the KKK, that Hillary Clinton declared was "her mentor" in her younger years. Isn't that a racist daisy?
"it is perfectly acceptable to claim that Reps are racist and Dems are pro-minority"--------
Not wanting your nations laws and customs overrun by foreign ideologies and cultures isn't racism. It's common sense. Your proposal is the same as a farmer just handing over his land to his neighbors who have land because it somehow makes him feel good about himself. No. Now HE just has no land, and THEY have his. You say you are "pro minority", yet the liberal reasoning for allowing in so many illegals is? "They do the jobs no one else wants to do". Whoa... isn't that slavery and plantation politics? Mexicans are here why? To do the manual labor. How noble of you.
You also know as well as I do, that the minorities in the Republican Party fit in perfectly fine, are welcomed with open arms, and are respected, and that the left is the first to quickly label them "uncle toms". How dare they jump off of the Liberal plantation and think for themselves. Some of Trump's greatest advocates and allies were black and/or gay, such as Allen West, Ben Carson, Milo Yiannopoulis, and Nathan Thiel.
Oh good. You are referring to a proposal that I never presented. I suggest you read twice and respond once. You won't look as much like a fucking retard then. And if you practice long enough, your reading comprehension may improve.
I'm not a liberal. I'm not arguing for the liberals. Your logical fallacies are so knee-jerk that you make people on your side into enemies as the ultimate straw man to attack. Christ.
"Oh good. You are referring to a proposal that I never presented. I suggest you read twice and respond once. You won't look as much like a fucking retard then. And if you practice long enough, your reading comprehension may improve."
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An attempted ad hominem used in order to not have to address the points and/or questions.
"I'm not a liberal. I'm not arguing for the liberals. Your logical fallacies are so knee-jerk that you make people on your side into enemies as the ultimate straw man to attack. Christ."
To your attack on a point I never made? Why the fuck would I?
Here's the real question; what makes you think that adopting "Jedi" for your religion, as you put it, won't lead to the genocide of those perceived to be working for the Sith?
You must be younger than I thought and getting your information from Breitbart. As I said, we worked to correct our problems. Think MLK wasn't a friend of the Kennedys?? Think they didn't work together with the FBI to stamp out the KKK?? Think the Dems liked the KKK, no, they dumped the southern Democrats that wouldn't denounce them ... and they became the southern Republicans. No, the glory days were when we decided people were people no matter what color they are. YOURS was the "amazing statement", I lived that period and I can tell you how convoluted you are, but you wouldn't listen because you have been brainwashed! (Must've used a tooth brush or something smaller on that one!)!
Oh, and by the way, corporate taxes in the 50's were around 90% under Truman AND Ike, and they STILL became billionaires and millionaires. You conservatives feel sorry for the poor abused millionaires of today??
"Oh, and by the way, corporate taxes in the 50's were around 90% under Truman AND Ike, and they STILL became billionaires and millionaires"-----
Uh huh. Give us this huge list of billionaires in the 1950's. Then tell us how amazing household incomes were during that era. (An era when most women were housewives) This generation has it better than any other wealth-wise. Times are good when the poor have HD tvs, internet, Dish network, and cell phones.
"I lived that period and I can tell you how convoluted you are"
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I see. So what you claim to be "the glory days" was when 91% of the nation claimed to be Christians according to the polls and the flag was highly respected. Yet now, liberals want Christianity and the flag eradicated from everything. That's odd logic.
And of course, you've tried to push "the modern KKK" onto the right, which even if that is claimed to be the case, it is a false equivalency. The "modern KKK" doesn't even have 3,000 members nationwide. It's a fringe group with no authority or power. When it was pushing the Democratic Party, it had millions upon millions of followers.
No. That's a part of American history. The KKK, when in actual power with authority was openly a part of the Democratic Party, and that was up into the 1960's. You have no time to squeeze in these so called "glory days", if you are counting the KKK days as "not the glory days". You're welcome to look that up on any source you want.
That's a nice myth, but when did it happen? When did Senator Byrd and his kind become Republicans?
You think blue color union Democrats are less racist than before? They started to keep cheap minority labor out of the market and they haven't changed. Who do you suppose the kkk is most likely to be composed of? Big bisiness backers, or blue collar union workers?
Republicans do care about money, and money doesn't care about race.
"Republicans do care about money, and money doesn't care about race."
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Uh huh. That's why the majority of Hollywood, the elites of the media, almost all professional athletes, the globalist elites, and many liberal billionaires are all "Liberals".
"When it looks headed for a "one religion country", it's not America anymore"
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It was dominated by one religion throughout its entire history. Doesn't taking that religion out of the picture actually make it "not America anymore'?
It would be easier for us to meet liberals in the middle if they weren't using violence to shut down free speech, burning cars and buildings, and dressing like vaginas while kids are around.
The Right moved left, so liberals moved even further left into the abyss. Gay marriage wasn't even an issue in this election because many Trump supporters just don't even care. It's not a trench we are willing to die in. That was us moving left. So what did liberals do? They decided they wanted a Socialist Republic, created "safe spaces" and "new gender pronouns", and dressed as female parts in mass, while now demonizing Christians and promoting Islam? What? How do we go about meeting in the middle with THAT?
It would be easier for us to meet liberals in the middle if they weren't using violence to shut down free speech, burning cars and buildings, and dressing like vaginas while kids are around
Ok, but not meeting in the middle has been going on way longer than violent shut down of free speech.
In all honesty the current right is similar to the old left. We moved left, but so did they. We are more liberal by the original definition than they are.
By the way... do you not know how to spell? Would you like to have a spelling contest? No? Of course you wouldn't. You have the spelling skills of a carrot.
You’re always forgetting that Independents are the swing in the numbers pretty much every time. They swung your way in the last election, they can just as easily swing away from you the next time. And by the very nature of your argument you’re making the critical error of believing two polar opposites describe and drive the entirety of what’s going on in the USA. That’s foolish.
Liberals in general do not "love America". They love their version of what they think America should be, which isn't actually America or any version of America that has ever existed in real life. They look for some fairytale utopian society that doesn't exist in our world. The fact is, some faction or ideology will always be in control. If you destroy the current factions or suppress them, it will be replaced by something, and that something will most likely be worse. By taking down the gates and walls, the left has simply removed the "American" guard, and left it open to soon be controlled by a Communist, Sharia, or some worse foreign ideological regime.
Nope. I know God ordains all of our leaders and saw a lesson to be learned from it. It was a rebuke. The left doesn't see it that way, obviously, per their attacks on Trump and mass desires for impeachment. They are rebuking God himself.
The left doesn't see it that way, obviously, per their attacks on Trump and mass desires for impeachment.
It sounds exactly the same as when Obama was president.
They are rebuking God himself.
That's incredibly dumb, even for you. But, it is always nice to hear theists admit they are pieces of shit towards God. You rebuked God by attacking Obama with that logic.
"It sounds exactly the same as when Obama was president"
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You are welcome to show us the mainstream media in an open revolt against Obama, and you are welcome to show us millions of conservatives marching in the streets to oppose Obama. You are also welcome to show us Conservatives gathering in mass to shut down liberal speaking events with violence.
You are welcome to show us the mainstream media in an open revolt against Obama, and you are welcome to show us millions of conservatives marching in the streets to oppose Obama
So, now it is only the mainstream media that can attack God. That's fucking dumb. You have created a stupid fucking position that you can't defend.
are also welcome to show us Conservatives gathering in mass to shut down liberal speaking events with violence.
You didn't make any mention of shutting down free speech before I made that statement, dumb fuck.
And you said I never get an emotional response. Uh huh...)
There is no emotion involved with calling a dumb fuck a dumb fuck. Still.
a lawyer presented new evidence in court you would clam up because it wasn't in his original dialogue?
You aren't presenting new evidence, you are presenting evidence for a different case. You basically said "I intend to prove that the defendant killed Sally. Here is the knife that killed Rhonda."
"You aren't presenting new evidence, you are presenting evidence for a different case. You basically said "I intend to prove that the defendant killed Sally. Here is the knife that killed Rhonda"
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There is no Sally and Rhonda. The defendent has been liberalism in every point. What you typed doesn't even make sense.
Then you are too fucking dumb for a debate website and you concede that you don't have s fucking clue what you are talking about and that you are a liberal. Off ya go.
It's true. I am feeling emotions. Not negative ones though. That would be the emotion of amusement and laughter. You on the other hand, are whining like a hungry beagle hound.
So, now it is only the mainstream media that can attack God. That's fucking dumb. You have created a stupid fucking position that you can't defend
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Nope. It was the left that pulled the ten commandments from public grounds, demanded a Satan statue be put up if no compliance, got prayer out of schools, and got the pledge out of schools because it said "under God" in it. And is now militantly trying to get "In God we trust" off of the money.
In New York Protestants were pissed off that Catholic prayer was being forced in school. They commissioned until school prayer was removed there and then the left took over.
You don't know a fucking thing. You not understanding something is not proof that it isn't true.
I see you ignored my link, made a claim, then gave no source. There is also a difference between getting rid of a particular type of sanctioned prayer and individual prayer in general.
-The Regent's School Prayer" (Engel v. Vitale, 1962)
The New York education system adopted a school prayer to be said before the start of each day's classes. This prayer promoted good moral character, provided spiritual training, and helped combat juvenile delinquency. The regents wrote a school prayer that was non-sectarian or denominational. In fact, it was so bland that it became known as the "to whom it may concern prayer." Here it is: "Almighty God, we acknowledge our dependence upon thee, and we beg Thy blessings upon us, our parents, our teachers and our Country."
Justice Hugo Black wrote the following for the majority, "It is no part of the business of government to compose official prayers… the Regent's prayer are inconsistent both with the purposes of the Establishment Clause and the Establishment Clause itself." This ruling did not stop school prayer completely, only those schools that had a regent style prayer. Voluntary prayer was still permitted.
School prayer is illegal today. Seperation of church and state.
What you brought up made a type of prayer, a school sanctioned prayer illegal, not prayer in general. The ACLU, a liberal "civil liberties" group is the one responsible for trying to pull God completely out of our lives in the public forums.
That's not true. Individual prayer is legal. Read your fucking quote.
What you brought up made a type of prayer, a school sanctioned prayer illegal, not prayer in general.
That's because prayer in school in general is allowed, you dumb fuck. I will not be able to find you an article that explains how something that is allowed isn't allowed.
Your link doesn't have anything about removing individual prayer. Calling people names as they continual prove themselves wrong is what kind of tactic?
If you weren't allowed to wear a cross in class then a Muslim wouldn't be allowed to wear a head scarf. Unfortunately, religious freedom bullshit comes into play. Now, what about that Jew?
Muslims ARE allowed to wear a hijab in class. You are calling me the race of Jesus Christ? May be. God destroys the kingdoms of the world in defense of Jews in Revelation. Was that really supposed to be an insult to a Christian? You've gotta do better than that...
Muslims aren't a race. What the fuck does the "race of Jesus Christ" even mean. Wearing a hijab is covered under religious freedom. Wearing a cross is covered under religious freedom. If one is blocked and the other isn't, that's hypocrisy. A MAGA hat isn't religious freedom, so it is not covered or hypocritical.
I wasn't insulting you by bringing up the Jew. Some Jews wear their religious hats wherever they go. Do you have an example of one of them being denied the freedom to wear it?
Not really. There is a difference between verbal debate against a position and the violent protest of any concept. Violent protest and upheaval is rebellion against God. I actually accepted that Obama was appointed by God. In the Bible God appoints all leaders, some to reward and some to teach you a lesson. Our recent leaders look to be to teach us a lesson. At least the last 4. I haven't put any debate up giving Trump some great love. My claim is simply that pro American is better than anti American.
Not actually. I never violently opposed Barack Obama or anything else. The left has become militant. One asks what can we do better. One shakes its fist, uses intimidation, and becomes "ungovernable" (Which is the new liberal slogan on their signs. "Become ungovernable"). It's a false equivalency.
That's the liberal understanding of the world. "You are doing things differently enough that when I do it it isn't wrong." You are a liberal and attacking God. That's 2 strikes.
Not really. The left openly attacks God. To oppose them is the opposite of your claim. To look for better leadership characteristics or ways of improving the country is cooperation with God. To burn the flag, shut down speakers, burn buildings, kill the police, and threaten to assassinate the President is an act of revolt.
Liberalism is simply a tool that the globalists are using to destroy the West. We will fight them. We will lose. And then the end will come, and we will never have less victory.
Liberals have been brainwashed by Liberal Professors, Liberal Hollywood, Liberal media.
Everythng you just mentioned is at total opposition to what Liberals believe.
Liberals always hate spending money on the military because they want all our ta dollars spent on socialism.
Liberals hate companies because they spend their lives puting mandates, regulations and taxes on those companies.
Liberals do not love the USA as we just witnessed when threatening to move to other nations when our free elections picked Trump. Liberals call all those voters for Trump Deplorabe and irredeemable.
They only love America when it bows to their political correct ideology.
Michell Obama admitted that fact when she said this was the first time she was proud of America after the people electing her husband.