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Debate Score:99
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Do mens rights get overlooked due to feminist movements?

There is a large amount of publicity behind feminism, however, I see little about where a man fits within the world.  In the rush for equality, have we left men behind?

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Side Score: 45
7 points

Overcompensation seems to be the name of the game. We have centuries old traditions which were designed for a world where women were subservient and have few rights, e.g. the man pays, don't hit girls, the man must be the breadwinner, etc.

The feminist movement has been a wonderful thing. I advantage of its benefits on a day to day basis. However, in a society that won't allow male only Gentleman's Clubs, but will allow female only gymnasiums, I think it's become a little weighted to one side.

My girls are given stickers in school which say "Girls can do anything". My son gets nothing, and so he asks "But what can boys do?" He's not given the same treatment, so in reality they are giving a hand up for the self-esteem of my female children, but at the same time they're pushing my male child down without even realising it. He needs to know that it's his world too.

And the worst thing I've seen... here in Australia we have a campaign to stop domestic violence against women. It's everywhere. Government funded, and it always pinpoints male aggressors. However, there's never any talk about domestic violence against men. This is because it isn't reported as often. A friend of mine was subjected to consistent domestic abuse over a number of months. He had called the police, who arrested him, then released him back into the custody of his abuser. They wouldn't take his story into consideration, even after she placed him in hospital.

There's still this big blockage in the way people think of men and women, women are still fragile and delicate, even though they're proving themselves anything other than that.

I'm sick of giving money to breast cancer when I rarely hear a peep out of prostate cancer charities. I'd rather give there where they aren't getting a flood of money.

Side: yes
4 points

Yes and No.

Some things are unfair for men and some are unfair for women.

However instead of pushing for equality or 'bettering women' - the feminist movement in general takes from men and gives to women. That's what it is. It's similar to racial equality. Females play the feminist card when it suits them. Instead of looking for equality they just look for more for themselves.

Side: yes

Which is why men should do some of the same... i.e., look for more for them. ;)

Side: yes
3 points

As a mother of two teenage boys (i also have two girls) , it is very important to be neutral.

Actually feminists piss me off more then male chauvanistics.

I warn my sons about feminists , they are ALL nasty pieces.

As for men ,

Actually there is a lot of areas of health that are overlooked or not acknowledged.

Like for instance , most boys start pubescent chemical changes around the age of nine.

Their emotions , for a long time have also been stifled.

Side: yes
3 points

I’m completely for equal rights for women, once they are just that, Equal. It seems to be the case today that women have more rights than men (both socially and legally). ‘RevKristine’ makes many points in which I planned to state in regards to equality but the points have already been made, the only other point I’d like to add is the inequality when it comes to parenting. I'm from Ireland, and it disgusts me that in the case of the parenting of a child with separated parents the father is legally entitled to little or no access. A father is entitled to a weekend every fortnight or there about. I’m not saying that a child should be assumed to the father, I’ve no objections to a mother having sole custody, just too legally have fair and equal access. Or to judge the situation subjectively before assuming sole custody to either parent, surely that’s fair, equal and in the best interest of the child. I’m arguing EQUAL rights here, especially in the case of a child. I’m of strong belief that a father is of equal capability as a mother. When having this conversation, women argue that a child needs their mother and I for one agree with that but I also believe that a child needs their father. A father can be just as good a parent and it seems it is the opinion of women that we are inferior parents. Judging a person and their abilities on their sex/gender, which to me is gender discrimination, is it not? What happened to practice what you preach?

Side: yes
3 points

The modern feminist movement is anti-male and has the agenda of female supremacy, certainly not equality.

Side: yes
zombee(1026) Disputed
1 point

...what?

I realize there is a fringe group of women who take this stance, but for one, they are not feminists because feminism and female supremacy are incompatible, and though they may be a vocal demographic, I hardly think they are a majority. In fact, what seems to be far more common is a cautious brand of pseudofeminism that is mostly just sexist apologetics.

Side: No
Peekaboo(704) Disputed
1 point

That is a pretty inaccurate description.

To say that feminists focus so much on women that they end up neglecting the rights of men would be a fair argument. To say that they are deliberately anti-man... I don't see how this view is supportable. Back in the 70s quite a few feminists were anti-man, but not anymore.

Side: yes
2 points

Men are getting trampled over. They are so concerned with making women equal to men that they are lowering the rights of the men while raising women to a higher pedestal - that is why I was angered to hear that women are now allowed to serve on US submarines - can men not have one place left on earth (even the bottom of the ocean) to be men?

Side: yes

The only reason to put a woman up on a pedestal is so that you can look up her skirt ;)

Side: yes

Sexist but funny----------------------------------------------------

Side: yes
trifinn(82) Disputed
1 point

I'm sorry, WHAT? You are kidding right? First of all, are you in the Navy? Have you been to the bottom of the ocean? If you want a place to be by yourself, make yourself a "man cave" a game room. I have to say that your statement "angered to hear that women are now allowed" actually made me wrinkle up my forehead. First, what rights should men have that women shouldn't? How exactly are men getting trampled over? The only industry that was primarily women only (prostitution houses) has now started hiring men to work as prostitutes, so where are your rights being lowered? And for the record, no one "ALLOWS" me to do anything. I have the same rights as everyone else.

Side: No

No - I am not in the Navy. I also do not object to women having rights.

Consider divorce cases - the woman gets nigh everything, even the kids - and the man has to pay alimony. I have more, but am tired of this topic - I may be back soon.

Side: No

Sorry, but the urge is overpowering...

You want more tinned seamen. In its purest form.

That's hilarious.

(Regaining my composure)

You know that you guys still have the Masons, right?

Side: yes
2 points

At least one of man's rights has been overlooked, the right to have sex when desired. She has a head ache. Who cares? At one time prostitution took care of that right, now illegal most places. Where is that right now?

All joking aside, part of the loss of men's rights are man's fault. There are too many eunuchs running around. Get some balls and take a stand. Enough is enough. Stop calling or texting your wife, girlfriend, mistress every second to get permission to do everything.

Side: yes
openminded1(5) Disputed
1 point

Yeah, my ex-husband didn't ever tell me what he was doing or where he was going. I never wanted him to ask permission, I'm not his boss or mother. It was just a matter of common courtesy to me. If you're going to be out late, why make someone who loves you worry? All you have to do is call and tell them where you'll be and about what time to expect you....don't ask permission.

I fixed my ex-hubby's inconsideration for me by giving him a taste of his own medicine. I just went out all night without a courtesy call to him and let him worry. After I did that a couple of times, he never did it again.

As for sex and why she has a headache all the time, maybe you're not doing it right. Prostitutes get PAID to tell you how good you are. If they didn't, they wouldn't make any money!

Side: No
1 point

I think it was good that the feminist move came along in the beginning to help women have a say in a male dominate world, but at the same time I do find females selfish too sometimes . Yes women can use feminism to suit themselves. I really feel sorry for the dads who want to be a part of their child's life after a broken marriage/relationship and the mother won't allow him to have access to the child. Sure, if the father was abusive to their child, I could understand the mother's concern, but thats not always the issue.

There needs to be equalty between the two sexes..

Side: yes
1 point

God help those feminazi wenches who try to date my boys.

Ive already had to scat one off.

The Abused Men's Area;

http://home.earthlink.net/~elnunes/abindex.htm

Abused Men-The Hidden Side of Domestic Violence;

http://home.comcast.net/~philip.cook/

Side: yes

Thanks for the links. I've been searching for the study I saw last year that showed supporting evidence for a 50/50 split of domestic violence. Basically it demonstrated that men are just as likely to be the victims of domestic violence within heterosexual relationships as women are. It also demonstrated that women are more likely to sustain serious injuries from domestic violence, due to the differing strategies that men and women utilise to gain power over another individual.

Many statistics on domestic violence are drawn from hospitalisation reports, but don't take into account the incidences of mental abuse or abuse that doesn't lead to hospitalisation. This means that we have an enormous blind spot where we've been fooled by the wrong types of statistical analyses.

Side: yes
1 point

Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! My brother was a victim of domestic violence. He was raised to never hit a woman! He adheres to that teaching with the utmost respect. He was married to a woman that would hit him in th head with full soda bottles, kick him, scratch him, slap him, etc. He would get in his car and go for a drive to get away from her and give her time to calm down. He never reported her to the police because they have two children together and he didn't want to have their mother put in jail.

Men are not the only ones that abuse their spouse/significant other. It just doesn't get reported/publicized as much as men on women violence.

Side: yes
1 point

Lets just forget about 'rights' and what is a 'right' or not and treat each other as the moment demands!

Ends justify the means.

Side: yes
1 point

Yes, without a doubt! We have come a long way in the fight for womens' rights and still have a ways to go. On the downside, men have been bashed, villified and tossed aside like old garbage in the fight for women to have those rights.

We need to recognize that there are obvious differences between the genders (that some women don't want to accept) and men are superior to us....in certain areas. On the other hand, there are areas where we are superior to men. But we are both needed and important for a functional and civil society. We just need to develop a mutual respect for each other.

Side: yes
1 point

The feminist movement is anti-male and misandristic. It intentionally favors women's rights over men's, even if women's rights overstep men's.

Side: yes

In custody cases, it is almost always the female who get custody of the children.

Side: Yes
2 points

Oh no. We men have had it way too easy. Women have been supressed ever since there has been society.

Side: No

Yeah..., but reverse discrimination is not the way to go. It has got to be a two way street.

Side: No
2 points

Yeah..., but reverse discrimination is not the way to go

What reverse discrimination is taking place?

Side: No
2 points

They can, but only until people adapt to the new way of thinking. After that it's fine.

Feminism just means men and women should be considered equals.

There can be some overcompensation when people aren't used to dealing with that. It can result in men being afraid to criticize women or to fight for their interests when there is conflict. It's easy for this to turn into a situation where women have the upper hand, which runs contrary to the goals of feminism.

Really, it just takes some getting used to. My parents, for instance, were the first in their families to go through college. They turned into liberals after having been raised in a socially conservative working-class environment. This led to me being raised with some contradictory ideas.

For a long time I was caught in a trap where I felt like I couldn't harm women yet it was ok for women to harm me. My sister, for example, is kind of... a huge bitch. She would routinely disrespect me and trample over my interests. I wouldn't do anything about it though, because of the generally accepted idea that men are strong and women are weak. That notion carries with it the assumption that if a woman emotionally abuses a man, he will abuse her physically in return. If he can't, or won't, then he must come up with new coping strategies. He must learn to resolve conflicts without resorting to violence.

Side: No
7 points

OK, I rarely dispute...., I tend to support.

I also don't down vote...., I tend to just.... let it be.

And I really do consider you my ally.... but.... you're a fucking pussy (and I rarely cuss). Put your sister on her place. There's absolutely no reason for her to treat you that way and absolutely no reason for you to let her get away with it.

Side: yes
jessald(1915) Disputed
2 points

Do people not understand past tense?

That's the way it was when we were kids. I put a stop to it once I understood what was going on.

Side: No
3 points

I agree with you about the overcompensation. But realistically, we're about 3 generations into this now. My mother straddled that gap, I grew up in the '80/'90s when women were taking command of their newfound freedoms, and now my kids are just on the verge of joining the dating scene.

May I ask what you think of the first date scenario? Who pays?

Side: yes
2 points

The man should assume he's going to pay. Because he doesn't know how modern the woman's values are. So he should go ahead and drop his card on the check like it's the most natural thing in the world, and she will ideally stop him and offer to pay half or offer to pay next time.

It's kind of a bullshit ritualistic thing, but whaddayagonnado?

If the woman doesn't hold up her end and the man ends up paying all the time... Well honestly, I've never had that happen, so I don't know what I'd do. I guess she'd really have to be worth it :p

Side: No
2 points

"May I ask what you think of the first date scenario? Who pays?"

This is a debate topic worthy of discussion. Why not post it as such?

Side: No
2 points

Equality between women and men is not a ‘women’s issue’.

"The advancement of women and the achievement of equality between women and men are a matter of human rights and a condition for social justice and should not be seen in isolation as a women's issue. They are the only way to build a sustainable, just and developed society. Empowerment of women and equality between women and men are prerequisites for achieving political, social, economic, cultural and environmental security among all peoples." [1]

[1] http://www.un.org/womenwatch/daw/beijing/platform/plat1.htm

Side: No
1 point

Equality between women and men is not a ‘women’s issue’.

"The advancement of women and the achievement of equality between women and men are a matter of human rights and a condition for social justice and should not be seen in isolation as a women's issue. They are the only way to build a sustainable, just and developed society. Empowerment of women and equality between women and men are prerequisites for achieving political, social, economic, cultural and environmental security among all peoples." [1]

[1] http://www.un.org/womenwatch/daw/beijing/platform/plat1.htm

Side: No
1 point

Mens right definitely dont get overlooked. Us as women are trying to get equal rights to be able to be considered eqaul with men.

Side: No
1 point

It's hard to get left behind when are still far ahead as males have been for centuries if not millenniums.

Side: No
1 point

I believe that feminists might get too emotional about their rights. But to argue this side of the debate, men always (even without meaning to sometimes) get the better end of the pole unless they end up being put up against a feminist. Of course, even then women get the latter end of the arguement.

Side: No
zombee(1026) Disputed
1 point

I believe that feminists might get too emotional about their rights.

What exactly do you find surprising or unpleasant about a demographic being passionate about achieving equality?

I cannot address the rest of your post because it is nonsense.

Side: yes
blayke13(362) Disputed
1 point

I find nothing surprising about it, I believe completley in equality of all sorts. But, Martin Luther King wanted to fight peaceful fights and sometimes people get too worked up. Sometimes peace is the way to go. My post is not nonsense it's the complete truth and you know it!

Side: No
0 points

I don't think so. Still in most jobs men get paid more than women and I don't really see it changing very soon. So I don't think men get overlooked due to feminist movements.

Side: No
RevKristine(209) Disputed
1 point

The glass ceiling for women only applies in certain industries. There are others where it's almost impossible for men to make their mark. And in societies where it's all about setting and demanding your own target income when you're nearing the top, women may actually be chronically undervaluing themselves. Certainly someone who can more aggressively haggle thier income up is going to earn more. Also, women do have a tendancy of taking time out from work due to childbirth. By the time it takes for them to get back to work, the chances of them de-skilling has risen due to not using those skills. Thus men who were on a similar paypacket when they left have had the chance to push for a higher income, whilst the women haven't.

Side: yes