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They's not reel smart Trump can do no wrong
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Do right wingers KNOW that Civil Rights caused Southern Democrats to BECOME Republicans?

They's not reel smart

Side Score: 15

Trump can do no wrong

Side Score: 27

The very short version:

- The Compromise of 1877 allowed Rutherford B. Hayes (R) to become president in exchange for removing federal troops from the southern states.

- The South quickly passed new Black Codes limiting voting rights.

- In order to compete for white votes in the South, a Lily-White Movement among Republicans removed blacks from power within the party.

- The release of the film Birth of a Nation reignited the Klan.

- The first Great Migration of blacks out of the South began.

- The Democratic Party machine in New York, Tammany Hall - which had supported the 13th Amendment - allows blacks to have some political patronage jobs to court their votes (as it had done previously with immigrant arrivals.)

- By 1924, the Klan had significant support in both parties - both discussed whether to condemn the Klan at their 1924 convention, but neither passed a resolution. The Democratic nominee, John Davis, denounced the Klan which shifted some support to Coolidge. In 1928, Al Smith became the Democratic Party nominee. As Catholic, he was also opposed by the Klan and spoke out against the Klan during his candidacy.

- A very significant shift in the black vote happened during the 12-year presidency of FDR. While Eleanor pushed earlier and harder for equal rights, FDR did sign Executive Orders 8802 and 9346 to prohibit hiring discrimination in the federal government and defense contractors. The Democratic Party platforms also became more outspoken on equality during this time.

- Truman created a Civil Rights Commission and spoke out in favor of its recommendations. He also signed Executive Orders against discrimination and segregation in the civil service and the military.

- When the 1948 Democratic Convention nominated Truman and supported the civil rights plank advocated by Humphrey, 35 southern delegates walked out and formed the Dixiecrats with Strom Thurman as their nominee. Large African-American vote totals in Cleveland and Chicago more than accounted for the slim margin that put Truman over the top to remain President.

- While Eisenhower enforced civil rights - finishing Truman's integration of the military and sending in troops to Little Rock to protect the integration of Central High, and he signed Civil Rights legislation sent him by Congress - he was not publicly out-spoken on the issue.

- Civil rights wasn't a prominent national issue during Kennedy's 1960 campaign, but shortly before the election Kennedy made efforts to help MLK Jr get released from jail in Georgia and called his wife Coretta. Nixon, who at the time had a more established relationship with King, made no call. Similar to Truman, the black votes for Kennedy far exceeded his electoral margin in several key states. Kennedy appointed African Americans to high-level positions, supported school integration, created the Committee on Equal Employment Opportunity, and used federal troops and the Attorney General (Bobby) to enforce civil rights.

- The culmination of the transformation happened during the presidency of LBJ. After Kennedy was assassinated, but before the election in 1964, LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act of 64, sent the FBI to investigate the Freedom Summer murders, and cracked down on the KKK. Meanwhile, the Republicans nominated Goldwater, who said that part of the Civil Rights Act was unconstitutional and campaigned on state's rights and law-and-order. After winning in 1964, LBJ went on to sign the Voting Rights Act of 65 and Fair Housing Act of 68, and appointed more black judges than any president before him including the nomination of Thurgood Marshall to the Supreme Court.

- While the Democratic black vote peaked under LBJ, it remained very high in future elections while Republicans like Nixon and Reagan mirrored Goldwater's Southern Strategy which was successful in delivering to 'the Party of Lincoln' the votes of states that had seceded upon his election.


Of course, political parties focus on a conglomeration of issues and there were myriad other organizations and people responsible for changing the dynamics of history.

Side: They's not reel smart
8 points

The Democrats created Jim Crow Laws. Jim Crow laws were in place until 1965. None of my older acuaintences remember any party switch, nor did they party switch or know anyone who party switched.

Side: Trump can do no wrong
-1 points

Do right wingers KNOW that Civil Rights caused Southern Democrats to BECOME Republicans?

State when this happened and show evidence that it happened. The Congressional party rolls show no such exodus.

Side: Trump can do no wrong
3 points

State when this happened and show evidence that it happened.

Why Did the Democratic and Republican Parties Switch Platforms?

During the 1860s, Republicans, who dominated northern states, orchestrated an ambitious expansion of federal power, helping to fund the transcontinental railroad, the state university system and the settlement of the West by homesteaders, and instating a national currency and protective tariff. Democrats, who dominated the South, opposed these measures. After the Civil War, Republicans passed laws that granted protections for African Americans and advanced social justice; again, Democrats largely opposed these expansions of power.

Sound like an alternate universe? Fast forward to 1936. Democratic president Franklin Roosevelt won reelection that year on the strength of the New Deal, a set of Depression-remedying reforms including regulation of financial institutions, founding of welfare and pension programs, infrastructure development and more. Roosevelt won in a landslide against Republican Alf Landon, who opposed these exercises of federal power.

So, sometime between the 1860s and 1936, the (Democratic) party of small government became the party of big government, and the (Republican) party of big government became rhetorically committed to curbing federal power. How did this switch happen? [How Have Tax Rates Changed Over Time?]

Now your turn, you dull Nazi retard. State your evidence that Hitler was a liberal.

Side: They's not reel smart
excon(18200) Disputed
1 point

State when this happened and show evidence that it happened.

Hello D:

I asked if you KNEW they switched parties, and you admitted you didn't.. But, I'll help you out.

The States' Rights Democratic Party (usually called the Dixiecrats) was a short-lived segregationist political party in the United States, active primarily in the South. After President Harry S. Truman ordered integration of the military in 1948 and other actions to address civil rights of African Americans, many Southern conservative white politicians who objected to this course organized themselves as a breakaway faction of the Democratic Party, determined to protect Southern states' rights to maintain racial segregation.

Racist Strom Thurmond was a perfect example.. He represented South Carolina in the United States Senate from 1954 until 2003, at first as a Southern Democrat and, after 1964, as a Republican.


Side: They's not reel smart
BaloneyHead(216) Disputed
4 points

Racist Strom Thurmond was a perfect example.. He represented South Carolina in the United States Senate from 1954 until 2003, at first as a Southern Democrat and, after 1964, as a Republican.

Strom Thurmond

He's the only person that switched parties, which you mentioned because you have no other examples. And the "exodus" was so small that more Congressmen have switched parties in recent history than did at that time. He also was destroyed in the South during the Presidentail election, only garnering 49l8 electoral votes, the biggest defeats in modern history. Which means the South rejected him, and the South was voting Democrat at least as late as 1964. Strom Thurmond was also out of the Republican Party before Robert Byrd was out of the Democratic Party.

Secondly, in 1964, almost the entire South voted Democrat in the Presidential election which completely contradicts your assertion.

Thirdly, Robert Byrd, who never switched parties, was a Democrat from 1953 to 2010 (57 years), was a Grand Wizard in the KKK, and is one of longest residing members of Congress in history. He has also been defended and praised by many Democrats of today including Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, and Bill Clinton. He was also from a Northern state.

Side: Trump can do no wrong