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Yes, they won, didn't they? Hell no!
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Do the Americans deserve to be called "War Heroes"?

Right, before you wrinkly old vets yell at me, there's a damn good reason I'm writing this. Lets see, in WWI, you never even joined the war until 1917, and even then you never did much. The British would've won just as easily. WWII (my personal favourite). You DID give the brits a lot of money, but you never saw any fighting until 1941. That's when the Japanese bombed you. Then you went out of your way to start in the war against them. As far as you were concerned, it was you V.S. the Japs. You called the Japanese savages (which they were, I admit), but then you go and do stuff the same as they did! You shot defenseless POW's and countless civillians! Then, after calling the Germans evil and heartless after the blitz, you invade Iwo Jima and start your own blitz! Then there s a small matter of the greatest war crime of all time, the Atom bomb! And, instead of dropping it on a Japanese militrary base, you dropped it on Hiroshima and Nagasaki! Two of the most heavily civillian-populated areas of Japan! Without warning! Millions died! Whatever happened to threats, as you always give out! Righto, its up to Veitnam! The war wasn't even yours to begin with! You interrupted and helped against the Veitcongs. You called yourselves heroes because you got close up with knives and into the line of fire! Balls! You snuck into their camps at night and slit their throats when they couldn't do anything about it! Getting up close with a knife isn't bravery! It's vengance! You have to REALLY hate these guys to make it personal! And you invaded villages that had no soldiers whatsoever! You massacred thousands! And you tortured and raped everyone! You wouldn't touch them, but it sure didn't stop you from getting into their pants! And you got biological warfare too! WHAT THE FRACKING HELL WERE YOU THINKING!? You're no worse than the Nazis! Bio warfare is the worst idea you ever came up with! Burn their skin off, boil their blood, melt their bones! What will you use that stuff for! And you made even more AFTER the war! Even in Iraq! You aren't supposed to even be there! You just want another reason to get into a war, another reason to steal that sweet, black oil. Wikileaks even relesed a photo showing the meaningless murder of a dozen innocent people! You use their villages for forts, drive them out of their homes and kill them! You then go and tell people that everything I've just said is bullhonky, but after reading this, you'll know the truth, you barbaric nazis!

Yes, they won, didn't they?

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Hell no!

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In WW1, the British and the French weren't making any progress and neither were the Germans. It was a stalemate. It took a few days just to gain a few hundred yards.

In WW2 we did give the Brits money and supplies. Then Japan declared war on us, we declared war on Japan and then two days later Germany declared war on us. We did the same stuff as the Nazis and Japanese? We did not murder 6 million Jews. We did not murder civilians on every island we touched. Iwo Jima was not the first island we invaded. Iwo Jima was a strategically important island. Using the atom bomb against Japan was a necessary evil. It saved hundreds of thousands of allied lives that would have been lost in the invasion of Japan, and to help prevent Japan from becoming a communist nation. Hiroshima housed two infantry divisions and troop training facilities. Nagasaki was a naval port. We did give them a warning. They ignored it and we bombed them. We gave them three days after that to surrender and they didn't so we dropped another one.

Vietnam was interesting. It was not our war in the beginning. A lot of civilians died because we could not distinguish them from the enemy. Tough luck for them.

I don't give two shits about what wikileaks says! It twists images and videos to further its own agenda. That video of the attack helicopter shooting "journalists"- if wikileaks had bothered to post the whole video, it shows one reporter amongst a group of insurgents armed with AK-47s and RPGs.

So basically, most of what you said is bull-honky.

Side: Yes, they won, didn't they?

If these American soldiers defeated Hitler and his fascism, then yes, they are War Heroes.

Side: Yes, they won, didn't they?
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Lets see, in WWI, you never even joined the war until 1917

A war which would have lasted much longer if not for the addition of 4 million fighting men for the allied forces.

The British would've won just as easily.

The British were receiving funding, food and war materials long before American troops were mobilized. Even so, they were not making much headway.

WWII (my personal favourite). You DID give the brits a lot of money, but you never saw any fighting until 1941. That's when the Japanese bombed you. Then you went out of your way to start in the war against them.

The Japanese declared war on us. We didn't start the fight but we sure as hell finished it.

As far as you were concerned, it was you V.S. the Japs.

And I suppose if Japan had attacked Great Britain the same way, you would've just turned the other cheek?

You called the Japanese savages (which they were, I admit), but then you go and do stuff the same as they did!

I, I did not call them anything. Now you're generalizing. The Japanese tortured American POWs, we did not torture Japanese POWs.

You shot defenseless POW's and countless civillians!

Something all nations did during this time, including Great Britain.

Then, after calling the Germans evil and heartless after the blitz, you invade Iwo Jima and start your own blitz!

We didn't like the Germans because:

A) They sank our commercial and passenger ships.

B) They committed ethnic cleansing.

C) They were at war with our greatest ally

Then there s a small matter of the greatest war crime of all time, the Atom bomb! And, instead of dropping it on a Japanese militrary base, you dropped it on Hiroshima and Nagasaki! Two of the most heavily civillian-populated areas of Japan!

Had they have had the same technology, they would have done the same to us. We warned them extensively before use, and it prevented a long and bloody war on mainland Japan which would have also seen a high civilian death toll. Admittedly, we could have handled the situation better, I was not there when the decision to drop the bomb was made.

Without warning!

Untrue.

Righto, its up to Veitnam! The war wasn't even yours to begin with!

Two words. British Imperialism.

You interrupted and helped against the Vietcong. You called yourselves heroes because you got close up with knives and into the line of fire! Balls! You snuck into their camps at night and slit their throats when they couldn't do anything about it!

Somebody watches too many war movies. This almost never happened. The regular army does not engage in assassination, they simply aren't trained to do this. If anybody was sneaking into camps at night and slitting throats it is special forces. The vast majority of deaths were caused by gunfire, explosions and disease.

Getting up close with a knife isn't bravery! It's vengance! You have to REALLY hate these guys to make it personal!

I fail to see what you are trying to get at, with this. Is it preferable to kill somebody you only strongly dislike as opposed to someone you hate?

And you invaded villages that had no soldiers whatsoever!

And how do you know how many soldiers occupy a village or city without going into it?

You massacred thousands

...of enemy combatants.

And you tortured and raped everyone!

And you know this how?

And you got biological warfare too! WHAT THE FRACKING HELL WERE YOU THINKING!?

The United States has never conducted biological warfare against any nation. We have however used chemical agents to fight insects and kill vegetation, which do have harmful affects on humans, but these were never intended as weapons...we were spraying our own soldiers with these chemicals, obviously we didn't know how dangerous some of these pesticides and herbicides were.

The united States has done lots of research and still holds a sizable quantity of Biological weapons, but so does Great Britain.

http://www.answers.com/topic/gruinard-island#Operation_Dark_Harvest

http://www.emedicinehealth.com/biological_warfare/article_em.htm#History%20of%20Biological%20Warfare

You're no worse than the Nazis!

Bullocks!

Bio warfare is the worst idea you ever came up with!

You might want to read your history books. The united states did not "come up with" biological warfare. Biological warfare dates back to ancient times.

Burn their skin off, boil their blood, melt their bones! What will you use that stuff for! And you made even more AFTER the war!

What "stuff" are you talking about?

You use their villages for forts, drive them out of their homes and kill them!

Now you're just making stuff up.

Side: Yes, they won, didn't they?
1 point

The United States of America has interfered with the sovereignty of nations, invading, occupying, and overthrowing governments, or at least attempting to do so, because America doesn’t like the leader. Some of these nations are Honduras, Cuba, Nicaragua, Haiti, Dominican Republic, Cuba, Iraq, etc., not one of them has benefited from being taken over by the Americans, things have only gotten worse.

Side: Hell no!
0 points

Because of all I've just said above, you do not deserve to be called war heroes. Sooner or later you'll realize that. A true hero shows mercy when the enemy wants and deserves it. A true hero does not make war personal. They kill because the must, not because they want to. A true hero does not kill the enemy while they are sleeping or cannot retaliate. They gve the enemy the chance. And a true hero does not kill innocent civillians! There's a lesson that (obviously) takes more than a hundred years to learn!

Side: Hell no!
aveskde(1935) Disputed
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Because of all I've just said above, you do not deserve to be called war heroes. Sooner or later you'll realize that. A true hero shows mercy when the enemy wants and deserves it. A true hero does not make war personal. They kill because the must, not because they want to. A true hero does not kill the enemy while they are sleeping or cannot retaliate. They gve the enemy the chance. And a true hero does not kill innocent civillians! There's a lesson that (obviously) takes more than a hundred years to learn!

War is not one person fighting another. It is thousands or even millions of people fighting thousands or millions of enemies. Knowing this, your accusations are meaningless because they only apply to individuals who commit war crimes, and not the state or the other fighters. In other words generalisations do not make a convincing argument.

Side: Yes, they won, didn't they?