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Debate Score:23
Arguments:14
Total Votes:24
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Do you actually still believe in the fairytale story of Thanksgiving?

Thanks

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Side Score: 11
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Side Score: 12
1 point

It is same as when atheist celebrate Christmas, it's simply a family moment, nothing more, nothing less.

Side: YES
1 point

The prince has to slay the dragon in the fairytale.

Side: YES
1 point

Starving English men and women from the first settlement turned to the Indians for help and they gave them plentiful food and henceforth they sat down for a meal where they gave thanks for the kindness shown to them and for all they had creating the first-ever thanksgiving dinner therefore the story is true so yes I do believe it.

Side: YES

Thanksgiving is the celebration of genocide, exploitation and plunder of Native Americans. The reality was replaced for the some fairytale version of a nation that views itself as some collective conscious only spreading universal good and progress.

Side: NO
sauh(1106) Disputed
7 points

Thanksgiving is celebrating the first Thanksgiving. And at that point the pilgrims were of a small number and would have starved to death if it hadn't been for the help of the natives. So the story is accurate about the two groups coming together for a meal.

...it was later when more of England's outcast showed up and started slaughtering.

So the celebrating of Thanksgiving is legit.

Side: YES
1 point

That is a fairytale. There is no evidence that such event ever took place.

Since 1970, the United American Indians of New England, a protest group led by Frank "Wamsutta" James that has accused the United States and European settlers of fabricating the Thanksgiving story and whitewashing a genocide and injustice against Native Americans, has led a National Day of Mourning protest on Thanksgiving at Plymouth Rock in Plymouth, Massachusetts in the name of social equality and in honor of political prisoners. Thanksgiving#Controversy)

Side: NO
1 point

Thanksgiving, From the creators of the best seller, The Bible!

Createdebate gives Thanksgiving a 5 out of 5!

Srom, Thanksgiving is a masterpiece, a flawless account of historical events. 5 out of 5

Troy8, Thanksgiving is spot on, should be taught in every school, wait... 5 out of 5

Lolzors93, It was written there for it`s true, Thanksgiving is proof that God blesses America , 5 out of 5

Side: NO
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Thanksgiving is the celebration of genocide, exploitation and plunder of Native Americans. 

Like where are you getting your info from? I don't believe that. Not one bit.

Side: YES
J-Roc77(70) Disputed
1 point

Technically you are right, Thanksgiving is not celebrating those things. The creator of this debate didn't arrange their thoughts enough on this topic I think but I get the gist of what they are saying. While the holiday does not explicitly support those things listed above does the current celebration and usual framing of the holiday with colonials and Natives celebrating have some issues?

Hows this:

Certainly the gathering of the first Thanksgiving is not representative of the relationships between settlers and Native Americans.

Using the instance of Natives and Colonial settlers on what is considered to be the first Thanksgiving as the image for today's Thanksgiving displays the relationship between Colonials and Natives out of historical context.

One could argue that the continued misrepresentation of this relationship between the two groups on this National Holiday undermines the actual historical relationships of those groups. Undermining is achieved by continually drawing attention away from the majority if the history and relationships of that time period between these groups by focusing on a more palatable historical event, no matter how out of historical context it is, and reinforces this image rather than a historically accurate representation.

By supporting or continuing this misrepresentation one is knowingly or unknowingly skewing how the history between these groups is perceived by today's society. This action sweeps under the the rug any notion of the atrocities enacted by the US government while displacing Native Americans from their homes.

Furthermore if the aim for the Holiday is to celebrate things you are thankful for isn't that representation (Natives and Colonials) also hypocritical considering the events between those groups following the next couple hundred years?

Side: NO

It's fairly impossible to still believe in something you've never heard of.

Side: NO

I never have done because I am not American.

Side: NO
1 point

Damn, the truth is a little brutal...but it is the truth!

Side: NO
1 point

That is a loaded question. No, I do not. However, it's not a matter of the natives being "good" (they weren't), but the Europeans being bad.

Side: NO
1 point

They had to make it sound good for little kids...imagine telling kindergartners about genocide while they make hand turkeys...

Side: NO