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Debate Score:180
Arguments:141
Total Votes:206
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Do you believe in God(s)?


God

The creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being.

 

Believe

Accept (something) as true; feel sure of the truth of.

 


 

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Side Score: 78
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No

Side Score: 102
2 points

I personally believe in God because of the fine-tuning of the universe. While this doesn't prove the Judeo-Christian God was in it I believe it is strong evidence of a God at it's least as the multiverse hypothesis has never been observed this is one of my many reasons for believing in God. If anyone wants to debate me I would be happy too.

Side: Yes
AveSatanas(4442) Disputed
6 points

99% of the universe is empty space uninhabitable by life. The rest of it is probably poorly suited for human life if at all. Earth isn't even "fine tuned" as most of it is water in which we land creatures cannot live and also contains other animals that will kill us, disease, and natural disasters galore. I ask you, how the hell is this fine tuned? Also how does the multiverse theory support a god? This is some of the poorest evidence for a god I've seen.

Side: No
GuitarGuy(6096) Disputed
3 points

99% of the universe is empty space uninhabitable by life.

It could be 99.9%, but the fact that life exists at all is the mystery.

Earth isn't even "fine tuned" as most of it is water in which we land creatures cannot live and also contains other animals that will kill us, disease, and natural disasters galore.

Just about everything on earth needs water to survive.

As for animals, we're clearly the most dangerous one of all lol.

Disease... Who knows... Maybe it's for population control.

I ask you, how the hell is this fine tuned?

I never understood why people complain about being alive.

I personally think God is just our higher Self. I think there is one great energy that religions have been trying to put a name on for centuries. Science has proven that we are all made of energy. We technically are all one thing, we just have an illusion of individuality. Maybe we're just God playing that he's not.

Side: Yes
QuestionMan(604) Disputed
2 points

99% of the universe is empty space uninhabitable by life. The rest of it is probably poorly suited for human life if at all. Earth isn't even "fine tuned" as most of it is water in which we land creatures cannot live and also contains other animals that will kill us, disease, and natural disasters galore. I ask you, how the hell is this fine tuned? Also how does the multiverse theory support a god? This is some of the poorest evidence for a god I've seen.

I said the multiverse hypothesis has never been observed. I will answer the rest on a different post

Side: Yes
QuestionMan(604) Disputed
2 points

99% of the universe is empty space uninhabitable by life. The rest of it is probably poorly suited for human life if at all. Earth isn't even "fine tuned" as most of it is water in which we land creatures cannot live and also contains other animals that will kill us, disease, and natural disasters galore. I ask you, how the hell is this fine tuned?

I am talking about the actual physical laws themselves at it's very core.

Side: Yes
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
2 points

The very fabric of matter is fine tuned to hold together. God makes all things consist.

Like a fool, you ask in the name of Hell how a fine tuned universe can contain emptiness and suffering. You don't have the authority to ask in the name of Hell unless it is your home.....and that authority does not carry enough weight for anybody, including God, to answer your demand for an answer. God can give you Hell for your answer at any moment. He loves you and does not want you to go to Hell.

Side: Yes
3 points

I personally believe in God because of the fine-tuning of the universe

What fine tuning? Everywhere I look I see lack of resources, lack of food, disease, animals that want to kill and consume me, dangerous environments... shall I go on?

Side: No
2 points

animals that want to kill and consume me

Those animals used to suck at killing, thanks to fine tuning they are much better. :)

Side: No
QuestionMan(604) Disputed
2 points

What fine tuning? Everywhere I look I see lack of resources, lack of food, disease, animals that want to kill and consume me, dangerous environments... shall I go on?

I am talking about the physical constants of the Universe itself such as the Cosmological Constant.

Side: Yes
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

You forgot to mention the corruption in your own body causing it to deteriorate in a slow progression of dying.

Side: Yes
kaveri(319) Disputed
3 points

Sorry but your ignorance is not argument and/or evidence for magic .

Side: No
SexyBanana(306) Disputed
2 points

Where is this "fine-tuning"? You mean the 99.99999999999999999999 percent of the universe that will kill you?

Side: No
QuestionMan(604) Disputed
2 points

Where is this "fine-tuning"? You mean the 99.99999999999999999999 percent of the universe that will kill you?

The fact that life exists at all is incredible.

Side: Yes
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
0 points

You die for your own sins. You deserve to die, you don't deserve to live or you would not die. Your life cannot be justified by your existence as you are a sinner who has sinned against God and deserves to die.

The only thing keeping you in time here is God. If you think you keep yourself here, or other people keep you here, why can't they keep you here? Why do you use a pervert's screen name? Are you a pervert?

Side: Yes
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
2 points

God loves you. The fine tuning of the universe is handiwork....and it is deteriorated, deteriorating, because of sin. God is going to restore the universe, remake it, to be what He made it as before man's sin ruined it....it will be perfect, no chaos, no disruptions, no more death...death and Hell will be confined forever in the Lake of Fire. God is good, and it's good to know He cares enough to get rid of all evil forever. The question is, where will you be?

Side: No
2 points

The average fox weighs 14 pounds.

Side: Yes
Cartman(18192) Disputed
1 point

The fine tuning of the universe is handiwork

No, it is non existent. There is no fine tuning. There is a tiny portion of the universe the it is habitable for life. That is not fine tuning, that is the absence of fine tuning.

God is going to restore the universe, remake it, to be what He made it as before man's sin ruined it

I hope not, because He already screwed it up once before.

God is good, and it's good to know He cares enough to get rid of all evil forever.

What is taking Him so long?

Side: Yes
2 points

Yes, I believe in a God. That is Jesus Christ.

Side: Yes
kaveri(319) Clarified
2 points

What you do for living ?

Side: Yes
2 points

As of right now, I go to a high school.

Side: Yes
2 points

I believe your definition of God describes Nature.

Side: Yes
2 points

YES !! i believe in God, in all honesty how would a small child ( Heaven Is Real ) make up that story about seeing God? How would he know what his grandfather looked like when he's was younger?

Side: Yes
1 point

I believe in a higher power. I don't know if "God" is the right word for it though.

Side: Yes
Saintnow(3684) Clarified
1 point

The god of Hinduism, Buddhism, and Atheism is the same god...existentialism's god, a god which makes you believe that you have the right to exist outside of the fire of Hell while you deny that God rules over you.

Side: Yes
GenericName(3430) Clarified
2 points

At birth, baby kangaroos are only about an inch long – no bigger than a large water bug or a queen bee

Side: Yes
1 point

I think if you believe in ghosts, you must believe in God.

Side: Yes
Vermink(1943) Clarified
2 points

Can I ask why?

Side: Yes
1 point

God loves you. The fool has said in his heart, there is no God....and they are corrupt and have done abominable things.

Side: Yes
Cartman(18192) Disputed
3 points

The fool also says that he is God and that he knows better than God. So, why do you like being a fool.

Side: No
5 points

There is no proof, no "fine-tuning", no evidence at all. People just believe it because they want to.

Side: No
3 points

Nope! And I applaud you for posting this very original debate. Kudos!

Side: No
3 points

Sure it's overused but big debates like this are fun to re-do sometimes. Not too often but sometimes. As new debators arrive with new arguments and new arguments are popping up all the time. Unoriginal? Yes. Unnecessary? No.

Side: No
DrawFour(2662) Disputed
1 point

Nothing new is ever said! It's been done to death. I'd say literally to get my point across but that'd just be a grammatical error.

Everyone always says the same thing. Besides, this isn't even the overused "Does God exist" debate, this is a personal question, that has only subjective answers.

Side: Yes
0 points

Did you think I was being sarcastic or something? ;) Sometimes I'm just an asshole.

Side: No
3 points

I have not been presented with the evidence necessary to meet the needs of the extraordinary claim that is gods existence. There is a multitude of evidence for the contrary, that this world and universe is the product of purely natural processes, no gods required. If you want a debate then I'm game but know I've been around this question's block a few times.

Side: No
GuitarGuy(6096) Disputed
1 point

Have you ever witnessed something with intelligence/conciousness come from something without it?

Side: Yes
AveSatanas(4442) Clarified
2 points

I haven't witnessed alot of things. Doesn't mean shit. It's more likely that yes, life did in fact come about naturally than a god exists who did it.

Side: Yes

I believe that the mind is the creator, not any supernatural being.

Side: No
2 points

as much as the idea may be comforting, it just doesn't hold up to all the facts we know about the universe.

Side: No
GuitarGuy(6096) Clarified
1 point

What do we know?

Side: Yes
kaveri(319) Disputed
2 points

That we were not created by bored wizard from mud and or wood. Or puked out (if you prefer African mythology).

Side: Yes
2 points

Simply because something that originates just and only in stone age poetry and mythology is not any more likely that fairies or elves.

Side: No

Can't we just all accept that nobody knows who or what created the universe and why? Giving credit to a "god" is the most irrational idea ever.

Side: No
QuestionMan(604) Disputed
1 point

Can't we just all accept that nobody knows who or what created the universe and why? Giving credit to a "god" is the most irrational idea ever.

Why so? Sorry to drill you I just want to know why so we can debate.

Side: Yes
1 point

Why is giving credit to a god the most irrational idea ever? Because of the lack of evidence there is. The lack of evidence points towards the conclusion that there either isn't a god, or there is a god that has no impact whatsoever on our lives.

Note: In this post I am referring to the main idea of a "god". The being described by Christianity, Islam, and the other Abrahamic religions is most certainly impossible.

Side: No
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
0 points

You don't know who created the universe because you don't want to know....you don't want to acknowledge God and submit to His rule over you and all of His creation.

I know God, and you will see He is Jesus Christ who died for you...I hope you see and get saved from Hell before you find yourself unable to get out of the fire.

Side: Yes
1 point

In Alaska it is illegal to whisper in someone’s ear while they’re moose hunting.

Side: No
1 point

I find no reason to believe in any gods.

There is no positive proof of any deity's existence. People often cite some sort of 'evidence' and say a god had done that, but in reality the evidence they cite is just evidence for itself with a deity tacked on as some sort of unconfirmable, untestable explanation.

Sure there are things we cannot prove yet, that doesn't mean a god did it. To claim so is just 'god of the gaps' where scientific advances can interfere with beliefs that were held without testable evidence. This can result in showing a deity did not have a hand in what the previous belief claimed and the deity's realm of control shrinks, some belief systems just move the goal posts or ignore the evidence to keep their beliefs then.

To change my mind I would need to see some sort of testable measurable evidence, not just assertions.

Side: No
QuestionMan(604) Disputed
2 points

Sure there are things we cannot prove yet, that doesn't mean a god did it. To claim so is just 'god of the gaps' where scientific advances can interfere with beliefs that were held without testable evidence. This can result in showing a deity did not have a hand in what the previous belief claimed and the deity's realm of control shrinks, some belief systems just move the goal posts or ignore the evidence to keep their beliefs then.

We do know what the effects of gravity if they were different would have on different solar system and unless they have a fixed set of narrow ranges they fall apart easily. It shows that the constants themselves are fine-tuned in someway. It is one of the plenty evidences of God.

Side: Yes
J-Roc77(70) Disputed
3 points

It shows that the constants themselves are fine-tuned in someway. It is one of the plenty evidences of God.

This is an example of what I am talking about. Evidence of universal laws are evidence of themselves, that is it. You are tacking a creator on there as an explanation but with no way to test that idea.

If I say an electron has a negative charge, we can test that and show it has a negative charge. It is evidence of itself. If you say god created it that way, you cannot show this or prove it. You are asserting this without proof.

Side: No
kaveri(319) Disputed
1 point

Argument like " I don't know how stuff works therefore it was done by magic/god" isn't very impressive.

Side: No
0 points

The laws of physics were created by God. The root of evilution is abiogenesis which violates the law of physics......all of evilution violates the law of physics, and you MUST have blind faith to believe it did, does, or will ever happen.

Entropy increases. Order does not proceed out of chaos. Life does not emerge from non-life. Matter can neither be destroyed or created....after God created it and governs it by the laws of physics.

The other option is to believe in the eternality of matter, with matter congealing out of energy perhaps, and perhaps not....and then life assembling itself and making itself reproduce. It takes a universe of blind faith to believe that stuff...but it's easier than to admit that we deserve to die and burn in Hell. People generally prefer to believe they have the right to exist outside of Hell and will do anything they can, believe whatever seems best, to convince themselves that they are exempt from Hell and God does not care.

If you ask honest questions, and accept honest answers, you will know the truth and the truth will make you free. If you seek God, you will find Him if you seek Him with all of your heart. You can know Him personally, and trust Him forever. I know because God said so....God loves you.

Side: Yes
QuestionMan(604) Disputed
1 point

I find no reason to believe in any gods.

There is no positive proof of any deity's existence. People often cite some sort of 'evidence' and say a god had done that, but in reality the evidence they cite is just evidence for itself with a deity tacked on as some sort of unconfirmable, untestable explanation.

Sure there are things we cannot prove yet, that doesn't mean a god did it. To claim so is just 'god of the gaps' where scientific advances can interfere with beliefs that were held without testable evidence. This can result in showing a deity did not have a hand in what the previous belief claimed and the deity's realm of control shrinks, some belief systems just move the goal posts or ignore the evidence to keep their beliefs then.

To change my mind I would need to see some sort of testable measurable evidence, not just assertions.

Would you like to get in a debate?

Side: Yes
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
0 points

Hell is testable measured evidence. Just do what you are doing as long as you can, and see.

Side: No
1 point

No! Next question.

Side: No
1 point

I believe that there is possibility of a god, but not one that did not come into being as the result of natural processes (evolution); it would not really be a god.

Not a personal, or omniscient, omnipotent god.

Side: No
1 point

There is no logical evidence or modern day observation to prove God's existence.

Side: No