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Debate Score:149
Arguments:137
Total Votes:159
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Do you believe in absolute truth?

For those who don't know what absolute truth is. It's true in all places at all times. That's what absolute truth is. 

Yes

Side Score: 87
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No

Side Score: 62
5 points

There must be at least one absolute truth. It cannot be, that there is no absolute truth, because if this were true, the following statement would constitute an absolute truth, and be self refuting...

"There are no absolute truths"

If there was only one absolute truth, it would be a statement synonymous with the following...

"No statements are absolutely true except for this one."

Side: Yes
3 points

Well said, logically correct and quite likely to be a truth in and of itself.

You have my respect

Side: Yes
Intangible(4933) Clarified
2 points

Nooooo, the antidote! Now my poison is useless... T_T

Side: Yes
Depressed(355) Disputed
1 point

You copied my argument.

Side: No
atypican(4874) Disputed
3 points

I can see why you think that. But I could say you copied mine from a earlier debate where I made the same point in a different way. Would you like to hash out who between us expressed this idea first at this website, or can you cope with the fact that people sometimes think alike without copying others?

There, I upvoted you!

Side: Yes
1 point

Yes, what atypican said!

Side: Yes
Nebeling(1118) Disputed
1 point

This whole argument is based upon the assumption that logic provides valid insights into the metaphysical structure of truth. Relativism only necesarilly leads to a metaphysical impossibility if we maintain this assumption.

Side: No
atypican(4874) Disputed
1 point

Without regarding logic as a valid means of ascertaining truth, this argument AND every other possible argument that could possibly made to validate or invalidate ANY truth claim is useless.

Side: Yes
3 points

I was going to say 'no', but then saw the thread on '2 + 2', and realized that I was confusing absolute truth with absolute good vs. bad. I do believe there is an absolute truth, which we try to perceive through the filter of our senses. We may err in interpreting the evidence of our senses to reconstruct that truth, and in fact it would be hubristic to assume that we're reconstructing the truth without error, but that doesn't mean that the truth doesn't exist.

Side: Yes
Blindness_3(3) Disputed
1 point

But consider that the idea of mathematics having absolute truth as something entirely created by humanity. The concept of absolute truth, as defined as a truth that is undisputable, makes it very difficult to ascertain what we see as truth. When looking at things like time and math, it is quite easy to see the rational behind truth. Truth is a word we throw around as if it is easy to figure out, when in reality we have no idea if an absolute truly exists. Such as Descartes said; the only thing I know with certainty is that I exist in some manner.

This is not to say that I do not agree with our stance, but your logistical analysis is built around human construct.

Side: No
1 point

Upon perceiving more than one thing, people began to form the concept of numbers. They didn't create this concept, they discovered it. The symbols used to represent math were created, but the actual relationship of quantities to quantities was discovered.

Side: Yes
2 points

To state that there is no absolute truth is to consider that statement itself an absolute truth.

Side: Yes
Intangible(4933) Disputed
1 point

Saying you don't believe something isn't the same as stating that that something isn't true. The question is "Do you believe?" Not "Is there?".

Side: No
Depressed(355) Disputed
1 point

One's beliefs cannot contradict their factual recall. This would be psychologically impossible. Thus, it follows that to believe there is absolute truth is to consider there to be absolute truth to begin with.

There is no viable psychological loophole whereby one can believe in absolute truth and simultaneously deny its existence.

Side: Yes

It's a paradox.

Side: Yes
Srom(12203) Disputed
1 point

How do you know what you said is true?

Side: Yes
Intangible(4933) Disputed
1 point

How do we know that any of this is true ?

Side: No
Nebeling(1118) Disputed
1 point

Then show how this the concept 'absolute truth' is self contradictory.

Side: Yes
Intangible(4933) Clarified
1 point

Actually I meant the topic title.

Side: Yes

There maybe alternate realities/universes were things we interpret to be truths, don't apply, but then again, that would mean there's an absolute truth. The truth being "There are universes where our truths don't apply."

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Side: Yes
churchmouse(328) Disputed
1 point

How do you know there are other universes...where truth would matter?

All we know is what is right in front of us. We live on earth...it is all we know. Are there other planets with people on it like earth? Not that we know....Isn't it odd that we are like we are and no other life exists on other planets that we know of?

But don't you know rape is bad? Or can rape be acceptable?

Side: Yes
Intangible(4933) Disputed
0 points

Rape is good for the one committing the rape.

Side: No

If we lived with the belief that there is no truth....everything would go...be allowed and everything would be acceptable.

How could we live like that as societies around the world?

Side: Yes

The truth of something is determined by its relationship to reality. A comet that has not been perceived is, in truth, still there.

To say that "perception is reality" is not correct. We should have all learned this as toddlers when we realized that mom and dad leaving the room did not mean they left existence.

Absolute truth is simply "that which is". No amount of perceptual contortions can actually change the nature of reality.

Side: Yes

To say "no" is a logical fallacy, so pretty much anyone who answers 'no' shouldn't be using this website.

Side: Yes
1 point

Without absolute truth, there are no truths. If there is a truth at all, it would not be so without absolute truth.

If there is no absolute truth, there is no reality, and if there is no reality, there can be nothing. Clearly there is something, so there must be truth.

Side: Yes
1 point

No. I don't believe in an absolute truth. What may be true for me may not be true for you.

Side: No
lolzors93(3225) Disputed
2 points

So 2+2 can equal 18719283719879182739817239871239 for some people?

Side: Yes
3 points

Why can't it? Two is a cencept created by a man right? Its a title for a quantity right? What is 2 +2? Could be 6. From my perceptual view point. 1 + 1 can equal three depending on what I perceive.

Side: Yes
Intangible(4933) Disputed
2 points

If 2 somethings + another 2 somethings combine together and then create an explosion, then their fragments could be scattered and the result could be that number.

Side: No
churchmouse(328) Disputed
2 points

I think rape and pedopelia, and child abuse are ok.

Am I right?

Side: Yes
quickscopz(163) Disputed
2 points

I don't know. Are you? That's your moral code. Morality isn't objective. No higher power ordains a moral code or a perfect ethic. Deeming murder wrong is a collective agreement within society. Back then women were treated like shit. Why? That was their schema. That is how they perceived the world. They deemed it fit in their society. Some societies still follow that tradition today. Who determines what is right or wrong? People right? They can only do so from their own perceptual experiences. So, basically I cannot determine if you are right or wrong. You have to do that on your own in accord with your own power.

Side: No
1 point

What may be true for me may not be true for you.

Is that True?

Side: Yes
1 point

I dont know man. You tell me. What do you think of it. True or false? Tell me what you think.

Side: Yes
1 point

No absolute truth, or anything such as good evil are all just perception. For instance the world was once perceived flat, that was known as "truth." Nothing is absolute, we can no know, we can only speculate and perceive.

Side: No
Intangible(4933) Disputed
4 points

Nothing is absolute

It looks like you're stating and absolute truth there...just sayin

Side: Yes
Intangible(4933) Clarified
1 point

An * not and.

Side: Yes

You know you are right.

By implying someone is wrong, you also imply there is right.

Sorta like saying you can't judge someone...and your judging them by saying it.

If truth is truth, it must exclude something-falsehood. If you correct me, you assume error exists. And if you assume error exists, you assume that truth exists.

Side: Yes
Kite626(714) Disputed
1 point

No i perceive myself to be right, is the point i'm making. I see it as "right," doesn't mean i truly am though.

Side: No
churchmouse(328) Disputed
1 point

I don't believe that. Example

If I come to your home and kill your children.....are you telling me that it is not bad...just bad to those who think its bad? The act would not be evil?

Abbsurd and unliveable. Why even attempt to do anything good? We should then abolish prisons...disband our military...and let each one fend for himself. If there is no truth then what does anything matter? If moral relativism is right then there is no basis for opposing genocide, racism or terrorism...etc.

Side: Yes
Kite626(714) Disputed
1 point

To you the person committing the act, would see it as "good." Or else you wouldn't have done it. You can't dictate if you're right or if i'm wrong, and vice verse.

Side: No
LeRoyJames(372) Disputed
1 point

If I come to your home and kill your children.....are you telling me that it is not bad

The Bible teaches us that this is perfectly acceptable, because God did it to the Egyptians in order to set his people free. We also see many examples in the animal kingdom where an individual will kill someone else's children in order to free up resources for their own children.

Believing that there is no absolute right vs. wrong doesn't mean that you don't have a sense of what is right and wrong, only that you understand that your views of right and wrong are not universal. As humans, we have evolved a sense of right and wrong so that we can live together in large groups. The larger the group we live in, the more secure we are from outside invasions, and the better able our group will be to gather and defend the resources we need in order to survive.

There are some rules that are universal to all humans, but they extend only to humans, not to other species on our planet, not to potential aliens from another planet, and apparently not to God. We can only conjecture what these universal-to-humans rules might be, but I've heard it suggested that a sense of reciprocity is one of these values, that if I do you a favor, you should do one back for me if the opportunity arises. If you don't, then I'm going to hold it against you, and if you don't do this consistently, with others of your group, then the whole group will treat you poorly, and your chances of survival will go down.

The idea that we treat strangers with a certain amount of respect is something that we've learned, not evolved. It was one of Jesus's messages, and as we all know, it was only learned through a certain amount of sacrifice. However, it has enabled our societies to grow much larger than they were previously, and for those societies that practice it, it enables different societies to exist more peacefully together.

However, getting back to the core issue, these are values that we have developed as humans because they help us to survive. They are not absolute.

Side: No
churchmouse(328) Disputed
1 point

So if your standing next to someone who shoots someone dead.....and you eye witness this....the truth about the situation is subjective? Come on.

The people back in the time where they thought the world was flat did not have the capability to prove their assumption. Today we do have that ability and the world is round. Your saying it could be square or triangular or any other shape.

Side: Yes
Kite626(714) Disputed
1 point

How are you to know, if it's absolute that he died. We perceive a dead corpse to be evident that someone has died. For all we know he could continue on through life without being seen. It's not an ABSOLUTE knowledge that what took place is correct.

Side: No
Kite626(714) Disputed
1 point

It was perceived flat a mere 75 years ago. Just because we see our selves now as advanced doesn't mean we are. We could have everything wrong, the future will reveal. We can't predict and assume we are all knowing beings of truth.

Side: No
iamdavidh(4856) Disputed
1 point

"nothing is absolute"

Is an absolute.

Absolutes not existing is self-contradictory. Self-contradictory things cannot exist (even with a time machine).

This is one of the few examples of an argument which can be proven beyond any doubt to be incorrect. It is hard to come up with an argument like that, so congrats on that.

Side: Yes
Kite626(714) Disputed
1 point

I perceive nothing to be absolute as an absolute. Doesn't mean i'm absolutely correct. Just because i perceive something doesn't mean it is absolutely true. I don't absolutely know that nothing is absolute, but i can perceive that it is non existent.

Side: No

There is cause and effect however...

What was the first cause...the first truth?

Side: No
1 point

I don't believe in absolute truth because all people lie...

Side: No
1 point

Depends where you are, to what is true.

Side: No
1 point

nothing in this world is absolute. Everything is relative. Every thing has 2 aspects- good or bad, profit or loss, love or hate,etc. Who will decide what will fall in which category? If someone get profit from one thing, then, there would be a person who suffered loss.. It is only the perspective that makes the difference...

Side: No