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Do you believe in the Illuminati?

Do yah?

Why or why not?

 

I believe in them after my older brother showed me this video, and at one point I was obsessed with making sure everyone else knew about them too. However now I'm not really interested in them, but I'm interested in whether other people believe in them or not.

Yes

Side Score: 8
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Side Score: 10

This is just my opinion so....

First let me explain one part of my belief: Our souls never die and remain conscious after and before death, but incarnating into a physical form causes a mass wipeout of memory, to start fresh with no memories of the past, like waking up from a really really really really long dream. And time is infinite, and we have been going through infinite cycles in the universe. Now with that said, I used to strongly believe the illuminati were evil, and were out to make our lives miserable. Which is true, they are doing that, but only for one reason and one reason only: They need to teach us. Pain is a part of life, suffering, grieving, loss, these are all emotions we must experience in order to know what true joy really is.

And the people who realize that life is just a game, in a sense, are the ones who do not get affected by these emotions and are able to live a life of bliss because they know that pain and suffering are bound to happen, you need negatives along with positives in order to balance life out, and that is all nature is is balancing life out.

and thats all they want to teach us. But in order to learn this they have to bring evil upon us, or else we would not know what it is to be holy. So are the illuminati evil? yes, but its because they have to be evil, its their job. But thats not to say evil is wrong, its a part of life, just like being holy is a part of life, and just like being holy isnt necessarily a requirement, it all comes down to a matter of choice. I choose to be good because i like being good, but when bad things arise i do not panic because i know it will all change eventually. Being evil brings negativity which is not a good feeling, but it is necessary.

So while the illuminati may be trying to wipe most of us out, its because there are way too many of us on this planet, and too many people have "failed" the course. Which sucks for them! But learning is not a matter of time, when people say you are an old soul, they are talking about experience, not time, because time is meaningless, its the experience we draw from life that matters.

Side: Yes
1 point

I agree with your initial explanation of life's cycle.. Much of it is attributed to Buddhism and Hinduism. It is the most plausible religious explanation of life and death.

Side: Yes

Yeah, buddhism, shamanism, taoism, all make much more logical sense than any other belief system out there

Side: Yes
NivaZimel(135) Disputed
1 point

How can you say that that view of life is plausible when it's all too obvious what happens when a person dies--their body loses all signs of life and they cease to exist.

That is the way God made us, according to the Bible: "From dust you came, and to dust you shall return." No mention of any part of "you" going anywhere else or surviving that turning back to "dust."

That man came from the dust of the ground is also provable because scientists will tell you that our bodies are made up of the same elements that are contained in the soil.

Ecclesiastes 9:5-10

The living are conscious that they will die, but the dead are conscious of NOTHING at all, neither do they have any more REWARD, for the memory of them has been forgotten.

Also, their love, hate and jealousy have perished, and they have no portion anymore, to time indefinite, in anything that is done under the sun. [This shows that spirit mediums are NOT contacting your dead grandma, because she is incapable of contacting you. They are contacting demonic spirits]

10 All that your hand finds to do, do with your very power, for there is no work, nor devising, nor knowledge, nor wisdom in Sheol, the place to which you are going.

"Sheol" is the grave, where the dead are placed under the ground.

Do a word search on BibleGateway.com on "Sheol" in the various Bible translations and you will see this quite strongly.

So, the obvious again is true: when we die we are indeed dead. The Bible bears that out, and our eyes do as well.

If "an able bodies man live again" it has to be by resurrection of the dead, as Jesus taught. It's not an automatic thing.

Side: No
1 point

"It was not my intention to doubt that, the Doctrines of the Illuminati, and principles of Jacobinism had not spread in the United States. On the contrary, no one is more truly satisfied of this fact than I am.

The idea that I meant to convey, was, that I did not believe that the Lodges of Free Masons in this Country had, as Societies, endeavoured to propagate the diabolical tenets of the first, or pernicious principles of the latter (if they are susceptible of seperation). That Individuals of them may have done it, or that the founder, or instrument employed to found, the Democratic Societies in the United States, may have had these objects; and actually had a seperation of the People from their Government in view, is too evident to be questioned."

~Ben Franklin 1798

The Illuminati was founded in 1776 by Adam Weishaupt. But really this was only a consolidation and a regrouping of the ancient mystery cults, like the Jesuits (weishaupt was a jesuit), the knights templar, and many others. The illuminati was found illegal in Bavaria in 1785 - so they went underground and infiltrated fraternic organizations like the Free Masons.

Over the last 200 years this secret society has not been stopped or even seriously challenged by any people of any government. They are going strong right now. Their main symbol is the All seeing eye....which is the eye of Lucifer "the light bearer" or angel of light. This symbol is seen all over popular CULTure in movies and music videos......it is also on our dollar bill.

It's important that we wake up to this.....otherwise we remain as "sheeple" who are being lead to slaughter. One way or another - this must be laid to rest.

Dark Soul of the Illuminati
Side: Yes
4 points

The Illuminati, like the Freemasons, were and (possibly) are genuine clubs with some followers, but nowhere near the extent of the proposed conspiracy theories in circulation on the crazier parts of the internet today.

Side: No
2 points

The Illuminati did exist, but they were a group of people oppressed by the Vatican due to following science more than religion- which sounds much like Atheism today. But I doubt the modern conspiracies of Illuminati have any validity. How can an ancient group of scientists influence subliminal nonsense in entertainment. And just how am I being brainwashed? What actions is this brainwashing forcing me to do?

Side: No
2 points

The (Bavarian) Illuminati certainly existed. Perhaps are still in existence paying homage to the historical version. But as what most people ask, when referring to the Illuminati, no.

Side: No

I just think it is conspiracy talk. I heard this kind of talk way back in the 60's.

Side: No