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Do you believe that 'fighting' sports should be outlawed?
MMA, Boxing and all those shenanigan to portray raw violence as something beautiful... If you kill the opponent, it's LITERALLY legalised murder. It's not like a soldier killing an enemy combatant because that's legally not called murder to begin with but basically this is legalising assault, battery and potentially murder...
It is brutal, disgusting... I tell the truth... I support banning this in their entirety. If my son wants to be a drug dealer, I will be happier than if he wants to be a professional fighter who ends up breathing through a straw for doing his f***ing job.
Sorry but the world is utterly stupid to glorify this stuff. I don't care if my own best friend or family member likes it or does it... I will tell them to their face how idiotic the industry is and barbaric the entire concept is.
Boxing and many of the martial arts teaches countless violent youths how to control and channel their aggression into the disciplines of their sport.
Banning these athletic events would release many more resentful hotheads onto the streets to cause violent mayhem and drive such sports underground where the criminal elements would organize and control the sports.
Bare knuckle fighting and competitions without rules and medical supervision would become even more widespread than they are now.
These sports would be riddled with gangsters fixing fights to enable them to clean up at the bookies.
Boxing has offered a way out of poverty for numerous young men and, to a lesser extent, girls.
Yes. I refrain from watching sports like boxing, wrestling, etc. Not only is it barbaric, but it's very dangerous too. I'm fine with judo, karate and other martial arts, because they're made for the express purpose of self-defence. And of course there's the rabid fanbase as well. It's good entertainment, but so were the gladiatorial games. It's similar when you think of it.
I don't believe in violence outside of war. I believe pacifism, if viable, should be engaged and that negotiating is far more important than 'defeating' in life.
It isn't "literally legalised murder" for at least two reasons.
A) It's consensual.
B) You aren't intentionally trying to kill your opponent. Incapacitate, sure, but not kill.
MMA is great entertainment. I would also argue that a lot of people who get into MMA and boxing would be beating people up in the streets without these outlets for their aggression. What do you suppose would have happened to Mike Tyson had he not discovered boxing?
I would also argue that a lot of people who get into MMA and boxing would be beating people up in the streets without these outlets for their aggression
LOL, You mean the guy who is now living in some one bedroom apartment, in debt to many people, fucked his whole career for good with the rape case as well as drunken driving (the biting of the ear wasn't career-killing he could have been a sensational ex-boxer and had a press heavy career but he went and raped some vulnerable chicks and drunken drive on the regular like a fucktard)?????
YOU MEAN HIM? MIKE NOBODYANYMORE TYSON?
Look, the guy was great in his prime but now he aint worth shit.
Oh, they will be, because the nanny state can't abide people taking risks with their own bodies.. Football will be next, then gymnastics, and skiing, followed quickly by a ban on dodge ball.. God forbid we hurt ourselves..
You want people to have coma-inducing accidents or at least permanently damaging in some way on the regular?
Is this a sport worth keeping legal?
Don't strawman this to be a sport with protective gear and many safety measures to ensure death and deep tissue damage are minimised, this is fullest of the full contact sports and is about doing everything to a person's body (minus poisoning them) that a doctor would scream never to do to a body.
Aren't you the one criticizing others for their reading skills?? You are, aren't you??
This ISN'T a matter of what I want... It IS a matter of what free people choose to do with their lives, and in this great country of ours, I believe they should have that RIGHT.
1) The sports do have rules, referees, as well as medical staff on standby.
2) Participants are there voluntarily.
3) Quite frankly some of it (Wrestling) is faked or at least follows a script.
4) It will probably always exist. So do you want your public seeking out the outlawed arenas where it is practiced or to simply watch at home or in a sanctioned arena? It's a whole lot safer to just keep it in the legal up and up.
The fans of the non-scripted MMA sport are among the most vile, sadistic of any fanbase you can imagine.
Read what they post to fighters' Twitter pages the moment they haven't had a fight for a while. They make them feel like utter shit and like a piece of meat only worth their fight. Unlike pornography, in MMA you are not going to have some fans who admire you and dig the shit you do while still respecting you and others who see you as a piece of meat. No no no, in MMA and Boxing you purely are your body... A piece of meat to be left out to dry.
Who gives a shit about how good you look while fighting? They only give a shit if they bet on the right guy. Sports-betting corporations laugh their heads off every big event.
My gym years back had an introductory class to MMA and despite being the oldest participating I took it with about a half dozen others. They were pretty normal people. And none of us where ever going to be real contenders, they were essentially fans and just wanted to see what they could do themselves. Often they talked about fighters they'd watched and it was always with reverence.
It only takes a dozen or so loud mouths on the web to create an impression there is an upswell one way or another. Just look at this site. You'd think society has gone 90% far right conservative based on the topics and screaming voices in here. But that's not true. Perhaps the Twitter maniacs are just another case of a handful of idiots being idiots?
There is nothing to be revered in the animalistic beating of one another. It is fucking disgusting that in this day and age it isn't shunned.
I tell you straight, I don't mind my child being into a martial art for the purpose of a healthy sport and the added benefit of being able to win a street fight if the situation arose but if my child will ever grow to take it more serious than that... Well no, I would be happy if they want to be an actor fighter... You get my point.
Also Steroids completely shorten your lifespan. You don't understand, the balls shrivelling is not actually a bad thing, it's because you're squeezing as much semen-juice out until your balls are dry at any given moment, that's actually not an issue it's what's supposed to slowly happen habitually to your body while on them but the real issue is what it does to your heart rate and blood pressure.
The only way steroid abusers ever live past ~70 is if they really really live a calm lifestyle where nothing can bother them. Their heart and brain have become permanently damaged that the slightest trigger can anger/upset them to the point of heart attack.
I know you will say they have bloodtests etc. You are a f*ing idiot, they down steroids for months/years between each huge fight and then go cold turkey once their body has pushed past what's naturally possible to build muscles to for a long enough time for the steroids to be out of their system but short enough time that they don't lose the insanely hard and huge muscles.
Don't fucking tell me I am a conspiracy theorist, you don't fucking think these 'protein powder' shit is just literally powdered protein molecules... Think please. Steroids aren't just injections, you can inject chemicals to alter you in the same way but it takes a lot of regular intake whereas injections work after just 2-days of heavy workout and injecting.
My child is not a fucking punching bag and will learn to use their brain not their fists to solve issues. I am not Gandhi, I am not a pussy, I know when to slash a fucker's neck in a life-or-death situation but I know the smarter fighter wins in this day and age and that body mass and fast-moves mean nothing. Hire a bodyguard if you're that rich/famous/infamous to have to worry about being attacked at random.
I'm completely against roids. And I'll discourage my boys from ever participating in sports of this kind. But I'm in favor of the exercise and the knowledge and I do want the boys to grow up healthy and able to defend themselves.
You and I aren't that far off on this one other than you reach the conclusion of outlawing the sport.
Just to be clear, steroids are illegal. I don't think they should be - not that I'd ever touch them, it's just not worth it, to me - but I live in reality, and they get taken. I'd much rather they be regulated and taxed - and tested for, and athletes banned for using them - in 'natural' leagues.
I used to bodybuild - I was always fascinated with superhero comics as a kid, and the massive, muscular physique. I was always big - 'husky' as a kid, when I wasn't just fat.
I had two choices - big and muscular, or big and fat. They've gone too far, for my taste, but that's just my taste. I still find it fascinating as these guys push ever-farther, but I'd never want to look like that. They're killing themselves, and I'll say that, and discourage anyone from using steroids - but it's their body.
Illegal, ohhhhhhhh so illegal... They go cold turkey soon enough so that the lasting effects muscle-wise remain for them to keep pumping and stretching but soon enough to have clean blood by the test. So they are never full on steroid pumpers but they are always semi steroid pumpers.
It's a problem, and I know how they get used - so what is your point here? I believe in legalizing them and regulating - as I believe in legalizing and regulating drugs in general. I certainly don't think that steroids are worse than heroin, but criminalizing junkies hasn't helped much, and it costs an awful lot.
Look at the blood vessels, the clue is there. You don't get protruding veins and consistently rock-hard texture to your muscles if you do it naturally.
Incidentally, though you won't get that degree of vascularity, I've personally had enough that I had a prominent biceps vein, and my subcutaneous fat layer was always an issue. There are a lot of men that are leaner than me, without steroid abuse, and they have considerably more vascularity than I could achieve. I used to work out with one guy that had relatively huge veins. Part of that is genetics.
Nobody needs steroids, except for medical conditions. It's what they want. Yes, it's terrible for your health, and has atrocious side effects - but there hasn't been a totally clean top level bodybuilder since Arnold (who used small amounts himself), and some will always want that.
It all boils down to one thing - informed consent. If they wanted to use swords, and literally kill each other, it's their lives. People do all sorts of insane things, every day. A far higher percentage of people have sustained injury or even death climbing difficult mountains. Do we outlaw mountain climbing?
What about cave diving? Base jumping? Street luge? Bull riding?
As to the fans being sadists - you want to get rid of this method of release? What do you figure happens then?
I am a pacifist. I oppose war utterly - though I recognize the need to defend a sovereign nation.
I watch MMA fights on occasion. The skill and athletic ability of some of the fighters flatly amaze me - and sometimes, simply the raw toughness and tenacity.
Utter bullshit, I will just tell you that you are a very sick individual who needs to comprehend empathy.
You think it's okay to cheer along as someone gets beaten up, this is f*ing wrong. OF COURSE THEY CONSENT TO IT, THEY CAME FROM STREET FIGHTING THINKING THIS IS THEIR ONLY WAY OUT OF POVERTY BUT JESUS CHRIST IT IS NOT, OH JESUS H. CHRIST OF THE NEW TESTAMENT PLEASE CAN YOU FUCKING HELP THESE PEOPLE????????????
LOOOOOOOOL, OH MY GOD HOW DARE YOU TELL ME I CALLED THE AUTISTIC SIMPLE EVER?!!!
No no no, I will not stand for that shit, I never once said that. You will not find a fighter with Asperger's Syndrome or more severe autism because part of that is having poor motor skills and thinking slow-but-deep rather than naturally fast-and-agile.
Those ape-like skull bashing neanderthals are not autistic, they are VIOLENT AND NEED TO BE TAUGHT TO CONTROL THESE URGES AND NOT INSPIRE MANHOOD-BASED VIOLENCE. As for female MMA fighters... The entire concept is so preposterous I cannot comprehend it. Feminists fought for the right of females to be beaten into a coma... What the actual f* is wrong with this world...
You are not a "good listener". I didn't. I pointed out that people are complex, even those many assume not to be...nor did I call them autistic.
In fact, there are some very intelligent 'fighting' sports participants - from engineers to masters in psychology and mathematicians - the list goes on...these are just MMA:
Tell me why they wasted all that brainpower on such a vile way of life? Unforgivable, they can't even say 'I had no other way out' they are the scum of scum and don't think I won't tell them to their face what a bad fucking decision they made, I will.
Because they wanted to. I don't know their individual reasons, though it's obvious to me that some of them had careers that made plenty of money to begin with. Individuals make their own decisions based on their own circumstances. I'd think that it might be the challenge of it, for some, but I can't know.
To harm your body like that, the animalistic... Just you are a walking walking piece of meat and nothing more... Enjoy that lifestyle, really enjoy it just unforgivable waste of brainpower and potential to throw it all away to a profession that a chimpanzee could do.
No, there's a fair bit of skill involved...but yes, a chimpanzee is far deadlier than men - it's not exactly a fair comparison.
The point is really what others do within the law - so that it doesn't affect you - you shouldn't have any control over, in a free society. I'm a very big supporter of a free society - so no, it shouldn't be outlawed.
Fighting sports should NOT be outlawed. Here are some reasons why.
1. Fighting is prevalent in any society. And because of bullying people take up a fighting sport to learn how to protect themselves. So if we outlaw the fighting sport, the opportunity for people to learn how to protect themselves because of oppression from bullies, now becomes illegal. The flow on effect, bullies become oppressors with no one to stop them, and the style of oppression these bullies incorporate does not warrant using weapons and arms to stop them harassing. So what should the victim do, tell someone else so they can try and stop the harassment? Then the oppressor has a new target to practice their new found strength on, and the oppression continues.
2. Fighting sports is one of the most effective ways for people to develop self confidence and self protection. If people didn't fight back there would be two kinds of people in this world. Oppressors and victims. Even the simple act of SPEAKING back can incur a violent response, so what then let the violent act occur without a like-minded response.
3. Violence is prevalent in every society. One of a few ways people learn to protect themselves is through fighting sports.
4. Women being raped. Without learning to protect themselves from fighting sports many more women would be victims of rape and sex crimes, than has already happened.
5. If you want to outlaw fighting sports, you will have to outlaw all full contact sports entirely. Because Rugby, Rugby League, Grid Iron, Ice Hockey have the potential to do a lot more serious harm and cause much more injuries than fighting sports can. Based on tackles and full contact hits from sports like grid iron and rugby etc, the amount of ex-players in these sports who suffer from serious medical conditions is astounding, yet very little is spoken about these conditions and the causes of them.
6. You see a few people get a couple of black eyes, and fat lip and other injuries and call for an outlaw on this form of sport. What about motor car racing, equestrian, show jumping, sky diving, etc? The risk of serious injury or even fatality is present in any sport in the world. Even chess can cause mental stress and potentially depression, should we outlaw chess too, because mental anxieties can cause a person to commit murder.
The point of the argument is, fighting sports has many benefits, and in comparison to other sports it is a lot more safer with fewer risks. Risks are still present, but they are more easily mitigated.
1. Completely untrue in this day and age. If it is true, it needs to be stamped out, not encouraged to prosper.
2. No, there are much more mentally healthy and productive ways to gain self esteem and mental health than becoming a professional fighter or even aspiring to be one.
3. Same as number 1.
4. LOL WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? Women being raped doesn't get fixed by legalising fighting sports on a professional level. What if the rapist also learns the martial art? Checkmate? Stupid argument, not even going to respect you for trying on that one, that was utterly horrendous and is just a shock-factor argument as everyone who is sane hates rapists.
5. Hockey and Rugby have much more mental aspects to the sport than raw fighting sports do but absolutely I am willing to outlaw them in my country if it's one or the other.
6. No, people have died, had their rib puncture their heart from a powerful punch (Tyson did this to a guy for instance) and just all around deterioration of everything, the constant knocking on the skull causes brain trauma/damage of the prefrontal cortex which is why all fighters end up seeming to have ADHD because they actual damage the part of the brain responsible for inhibiting impulses and regulating focus.
Professional fighting sports have no benefits for societies at all other than economic benefits for the betting corporations and broadcasting corporation. Really, no good has ever (and I mean ever) come from MMA or boxing. At least with martial arts tournaments, you are restricted to specific moves that can't kill in one shot.
Why should you care what two consenting adults do with each other? People have violent drives and if you don't give these drives an outlet they will spill over into society at large.
That's why referees exist, to stop the fight if it looks like one of them isn't going to be able to walk away. And there are work related injuries and deaths every day throughout all industries, those in the ring step in there knowing and accepting the risks involved.
Peace is all well and good, but we're naturally violent creatures. Trying to force that out of our DNA through legislation can't end well, but one way we can control our violence is to embrace it and use it positively (for sport, for self defense, military service, etc.)
Go read Fight Club by Chuck Palahniuk. That'll give you a better perspective than I can. Then go find someone who can take some punches and is willing to beat the ever loving shit out of you if you don't do the same to them first. I don't mean that insultingly, sarcastically, or metaphorically, I'm telling you that for your own benefit- it is a life changing event.