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Debate Score:14
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Do you have traditional conservative values, or modern liberal values?

I have a few other questions i would love to hear answers for in the explanation.

1.) will a politicians values affect your voting?

2.) why do politicians follow the party lines on values?

3.) why can't a fiscal conservative be pro abortion or pro gay rights?

4.) Why can't we separate values from politics?

5.) How can you make values a non political issue?

Conservative

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Liberal

Side Score: 7
2 points

economics trumps social values for me, so i will vote democratically. But why cant I have a democrat to vote for that has conservative values (a fiscal liberal, but a traditional conservative when it comes to values).

And why have social values become so polarizing? so polarizing that people pick their politician on social values alone. Is it that the people that vote strictly for social values are too dumb to realize what an economic policy is? Because in the end a economic policy is what helps our nation succeed or fail, values don't matter one bit, values never created a job.

Side: Conservative
2 points

I do have to identify myself more as a conservative. Conservatism doesn't mean that I'm entrenched in some stasis - not at all. Changes can, should and will happen however they need to happen gradually and prove that these changes are for the better and that there wouldn't follow some absurd implications from those changes.

We have traditions that have served our society well and I don't believe in just changing them like that. Liberal progress to me is like taking a leap of faith without knowing whether there's water or concrete waiting for you. As a conservative, I take it step by step. To me, the most effective combination are conservative values and a liberal market.

Side: Conservative

I don't think many people on the planet, with the exception of a few wackos in Saudi Arabia, maybe, actually have "traditional conservative values." Conservative values have been on the retreat from day one, constantly losing ground in a war where liberalism drags conservative values inch by inch towards progress, and conservatives everywhere dig their heels in.

Perhaps I am wrong in my initial statement, however, and there are some conservatives who still believe they should be allowed to marry as many women as they'd like and treat them like property, or who believe that racial segregation is a must, or who think those thought to be practicing witchcraft should be publicly and painfully executed. Woops, there goes me talking about Saudi Arabia again.

But I digress. I think most modern conservatives very much enjoy the rights and social liberties liberals have fought to allow them to have, they just for some reason insist that future generations shouldn't be afforded the same rights and liberties that the social progress of liberalism brings. So in that sense, most conservatives are not standing up for traditional conservative values, they are standing up for modern conservative values, ones shaped by battles lost to modern liberal values.

Side: Liberal

I think your first paragraph is completely spot on. People were highly intolerant of opposing opinions back then. They have definitely been on the retreat since day one, it's just that conservatives want to draw the line "today" so no more progress can be made that would challenge their ideas or beliefs. If we drew the line in the 1960s as some conservatives wanted, we would still have racial segregation. If we draw the line today, homosexuals couples will still be denied the same rights as heterosexual couples. And if we draw the line in 2040, who knows what issues will be present?

Side: Liberal

A traditional conservative of the 1800s would spit on modern conservatives and call them "liberal pussies." Or, you know, some 1800s version of that. =D

Side: Liberal
ZULUIII(9) Disputed
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I believe it was Abraham Lincoln, the father of the republican party, that freed the slaves... I'm just sayin...

I am a traditional conservative in the since that i have the core values of Christianity. Not fake Christianity, where you twist the biblical word to your own will. I mean Christian values like; live like Jesus taught you, seek god, seek peace, and don't impose your will or beliefs on anyone else. Live your life how you believe is good and just. Also live with an open mind, so if someone shows you that a thing you do is wrong, or a belief or value you have is wrong, be flexible and listen to them. Let your conscious be your guide, if you believe they are right and you are wrong, then change your value, or belief, or actions. That's the basis of, my conservative values.

The core aspect in modern liberal values that i disagree with, is the aspect that you are supposed to force your own beliefs on everyone else. Like everyone is supposed to agree with you, and if they don't agree you cant ignore them, you have to make them see it your way. Liberals just cant let people be conservative, they cant let people learn their own lessons, or decide their own decisions. Liberals need change now, like nothings perfect for them. They cant just face the fact that some bad things happen and you cant fix it, without fixing your self first. Liberals blame everything on something else, like there is a reason for everything bad in the world, and it cant be them, they cant be the problem. Where as conservatives realize bad happens, and the only way you can fix it is to start by fixing your self.

Side: Conservative
1 point

Traditional conservative values and religious values of any kind are not always the same thing. Conservatism simply means wanting to preserve the status quo and keep things as they are; traditionalism, as branch of conservatism, means wanting to return to the way things were. Loving thy neighbor is not the way Christianity always was.

Also, your will seems to be all about goodness and justice and peace and la de da, and you have interpreted the Bible to suit your will, your idea of what Christianity is all about. That's all fine and well, but how does this make your interpretation of scripture true and make others twisted and false? Scripture is just a tool. In scripture you'll find love and hate , forgiveness and vengeance, peace and violence. You follow some parts and ignore others, in accordance with your own preconceived notions of what Christianity is, but how does this make your interpretation more valid? Aren't Christians who believe their children should be killed for talking back even more diehard Christians than yourself?

is the aspect that you are supposed to force your own beliefs on everyone else.

That's an aspect that is prevalent in both political spectrum, but you are wrong to say that it is the core defining element of liberalism. In regards to social issues and social liberties, liberalism is generally all about allowing people to do what they want. An example of this would be abortion. It is the way Democrats want to run the economy that infringes on our freedom and forces beliefs on others. An example of this would we welfare. On the flip side, Republicans are all about economic freedom, while conservatives are all about regulating, minimizing, and eliminating civil liberties. Look at the conservative stance on abortion, prostitution, legalization of marijuana, and the like.

So in an economic sense Democrats want to force their beliefs on others, not liberals. And it is not Republicans trying to force their social views on others, either, it's conservatives.

Also, I would agree with you that liberals blame everything on everyone but themselves, but this is a symptom of humanity in general, and not just the liberal party. As if to illustrate this, Obama has been getting a lot of heat from Republicans recently because he apparently is responsible for hurricanes that happen on US soil. Every political platform thrives on taking absolutely no responsibility and blaming it on everyone else. Liberals are not alone in this regard.

Side: Liberal
1 point

I have modern Liberal values mostly because I don't believe in child abuse

Side: Liberal

I have modern liberal values because the times change and so my values.

Side: Liberal