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There is no god but God Jesus is lord
Debate Score:163
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Do you pray to God or Jesus

I haven't been on this website very long. I'm not going to downvote anyone or ban anybody. I want to know, honestly, what people think.
I have a question, and it's this:
Do you pray to God or do you pray to Jesus?
Sorry atheists.

There is no god but God

Side Score: 86
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Jesus is lord

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....................................... I agree ...... atheists are very sorry

Side: There is no god but God
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I refrain from talking to myself, but I will defend YOUR right to do so.

Side: There is no god but God
1 point

I was raised Catholic which means then it is a Holy Trinity and two of the choices you list combine with Holy Spirit to all be one and the same thing.

I'm sure you don't agree.

Side: There is no god but God
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Side: There is no god but God
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I mean...it doesn't really matter. they're both the same person. I mean, if you believe in the trinity.

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the "Father" is the creator. the part of god that at the beginning of the universe said "let there be light" and such. he doesn't really change creation at our petition.

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Jesus is the "son". he was the human emissary to the divine, while still being the divine. he died for our sins. he doesn't really do anything at our petition either

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The "Holy Spirit" is the part that actually kinda answers prayers. but does so by changing the hearts of men, and bestowing inspiration and determination.

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in this way, you pray and give thanks to god for the way the world unfolded, you thank Jesus for the kindness and love of humankind, and if you need some Grade A divine intervention, you pray to the holy spirit. or the other two to ask the aid of the holy spirit.

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at least, how I understand it.

Side: There is no god but God

I pray to God, but when I do I end my prayers by telling Her that I ask all this n the name of Jesus Christ, Her Special begotten Son, and my Lord and Savior.

Side: There is no god but God
pilot(44) Clarified
1 point

There cannot be any difference because whomever we pray ultimately good is going happen. So there is no point whom we pray but we must remember that while we are praying we must clear and truthful.

Side: There is no god but God
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

So that's it? That's all you got? I'm pretty sure you're on the wrong website. You sound like a brainwashed fool endlessly repeating what he's been told to say.

Why don't you go post kitten videos on Facebook or something.

Side: Jesus is lord
1 point

You Jesus worshipers have like the longest winded posts but you're losing by a wide margin in this debate. Get fired up man. Are you sure about your position on this? If you want to change sides I welcome you with open arms.

There is no God, but God.

Side: There is no god but God
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

Allah is a loveless God, nobody to love, not loving. There is no love in Allah. Allah is an evil false god, and idol. Allah tries to force you to love him, Allah hates you. Allah is trying to take you to Hell using Islam to deceive you and make you think your hatred of Jews and Christians is good.

Side: Jesus is lord
Ayemaker(237) Disputed
2 points

You already said that you pray to God "in the name of Jesus". So you don't, in fact, pray to Jesus.

You're still trying to put that Muslim jacket on me. It doesn't fit. I'm not a Muslim. You, are a fool Saintnow.

You can't put me in a category. I type up each and every argument and dispute that I use on this website. I don't post the same exact generic message on 20+ debates like a robot. Like you do.

Side: There is no god but God
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Allah is a loveless God, nobody to love, not loving. There is no love in Allah. Allah is an evil false god, and idol. Allah tries to force you to love him, Allah hates you. Allah is trying to take you to Hell using Islam to deceive you and make you think your hatred of Jews and Christians is good.

Side: There is no god but God
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Uh, I may have missed it, but I did not see an option for "neither one since neither exists."

Your two options both allude to a limited and Theist only belief system. Surely you know that this is biased? What do you think us Atheists pray to?

And you must know that atheism is the homo sapien default belief paradigm? Or rather, non belief paradigm. Since most if you theists are that way only because of indoctrination as children?

Hope this helps!

SS

Side: There is no god but God
dadman(1701) Clarified
2 points

What do you think us Atheists pray to ? ... rocks / trees and or fleas ?? .... I would say the rocks :)

and in due time the atheists (rejectors of Jesus) and all the folk listed in

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Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived;

neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God ..... 1 Cor. 6:9-10

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yes indeed ... these folks listed who survive the Great Tribulation to this point will be praying for the rocks to fall on them

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And they said to the mountains and to the rocks . . .

fall on us and hide us from the presence of him who sits on the throne .. and from the wrath of the lamb

for the great day of their wrath has come .. and who is able to stand ..... Revelation 6:16-17

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But in all reallity ... even the rocks falling on them will not spare them from the second death .. much worse than the first

Side: There is no god but God
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Shrek will protect me from whatever your "God" has to throw at me.

Side: Jesus is lord
Saintnow(3684) Clarified
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This is not true. I remember as a baby before I understood language seeing evil things and trusting God was aware it was happening and in control, and I did not fear the evil....didn't like it, I bawled and screamed and made a big fuss, but I clearly remember knowing God was aware of what was going on and these people doing evil seemed to think He was not watching.

Atheists can only push this myth because most people have no memories of the time before they learned to speak and understand words. It is human nature to wonder about God, it is human nature that separates us from Him because it is natural for us to be selfish and go against Him. Even at that time when I knew evil as a baby, I was aware that it was selfish of me to get the evil to stop as it threatened my comforts........but I knew Justice is in God who sees it all, and I knew I had done nothing wrong by being in that place where evil was on display, so I felt protected by my own innocence.

Atheism is trying to escape reality of being responsible for our time, trying to absolve ourselves of guilt. It is not as claimed "non-belief" but rather is a wall set up in the atheist's mind trying to block out God forever lest we be found guilty.

Side: There is no god but God
Cartman(18192) Disputed
1 point

You are such a liar. You have made it very clear that you don't think God is in control in your other debates.

Side: Jesus is lord
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Yeah, Sorry about that. You can only choose 2 sides for debates on this website. There is really no room for atheists in this debate anyways though. You guys rule out the possibility of God existing, so this question is one you can't answer.

Side: There is no god but God
Amarel(5556) Clarified
1 point

How are you banned from your own debate ?

Side: There is no god but God
Saintnow(3684) Clarified
1 point

Whoever you pray to, you need to ask them to help you speak English like you have a brain instead of profanity like a guerilla being deprived of his bananas.

Side: There is no god but God
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

So that's it? That's all you got? I'm pretty sure you're on the wrong website. You sound like a brainwashed fool endlessly repeating what he's been told to say.

Why don't you go post kitten videos on Facebook or something.

Side: Jesus is lord
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Dear God my Father, in the name of God your Son who paid for my sins with your own blood, and rose from the dead conquering death to give eternal life and forgiveness of sin to all who believe on Him, I pray that this Muslim promoting devil will be shown for the liar it is so this poor Muslim can be delivered from the clutches of Satan who disguises himself as Allah and uses Muhammed's name and legacy as lies to fool idiots into believing a religion of murder is actually a religion of peace.

God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit, these three are One. The LORD our God is one God. Allah is Satan in disguise, Islam is murder and not peace.

Side: There is no god but God
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wow.........you dont even know how to pray.

god has little use for those words you spoke in that flowery and verbose yet spiritually empty prayer. he already knows about Satan and Allah and Mohammed. he doesn't need you to tell him who to protect and deliver from.

what God WANTS you to do is to get to know Him better. To talk to Him as you would your father or mother when you ask for advice or tell them how much you love them.

and to ask that He give you the power to Know and Discern His will for you. And then the strength and courage to carry out that will. Which, btw, usually consists of doing good works for others.

I spent seven hours doing church activities today. Feeding, giving testimony, guiding people to public services. I notice you don't attend church on Sunday? why not?

shameful. I guess your not even a Sunday Christian.

which begs the question. Who the Fuck are you???

If you knew the harm you do to Christianity here and you cared a fig about Christianity you would leave this site asap.

Side: Jesus is lord
Amarel(5556) Clarified
1 point

If you spoke Arabic instead of English, and you believed exactly as you do right now, you would refer to God as Allah. It's not a different name instead of God, it's a different language.

Side: There is no god but God
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
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What you refer to as God is not God. Muslims refer to God as "Allah", Allah is not God. God is God. He reveals Himself to us through Jesus Christ the man who is God conceived of the Holy Ghost to come to us in human form, now he is at the right hand of God the Father and holds and executes all authority and all power. Anybody who excludes Jesus Christ from being God is not speaking of God when they say God, no matter how they say it. Islam is not from God, it's from Hell.

I would never refer to God as Allah. Allah is not God. The God of Islam, Allah, is a false God. You can't see it because you think God is whatever you want Him to be.

And knucklehead, since you seem to have an obsession with pestering me, I'll say I pray to God the Father in the name of God the Son who paid for my sins with His own life's blood and now owns me, purchased my pardon and bought me with His blood, who lives in my by His Holy Spirit which makes me a child of God. You are lost, dead in your sins, paying with no way to cleanse yourself, no way to pay off your debt, rejecting the One who paid for you to relieve you from paying in Hell. You will see. I'm going to be with Jesus soon. I hope you prove me wrong, but I doubt that you will believe, so I will be there forgiven when you are pulled up from Hell for the final Judgement before being forever cast away in the Lake of Fire which is the second death, like the death you are in now but with no end of the fire. I honestly feel sorry for you. There is nothing I can do to help,

Side: Jesus is lord
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Indeed Jesus IS Lord ..... God the Son

I would pray to God the Father through and in the name (his will) of Jesus

the Will of Jesus is the will of God

Jesus IS God manifest to us in the flesh ............ welcome to Create Debate

Side: Jesus is lord
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And Jesus cried out, ' my God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? So, if Jesus is God, and God is Jesus then God must have let himself be killed, emm. The will of Jesus was unable to merge with his God alter ego when he was being crucified on the cross, emm. God the son isn't the same as God the God, or is that God the father?, emm. Where does the Holy Ghost fit into the eternal triangle? Would history, as depicted in the Bible, been different if the 'Virgin'(wink wink, nod nod, say no more, say no more, know what I mean, know what I mean?) Mary had said NO?

Side: There is no god but God

I have offered this very same argument.

Why would Jesus ask himself on the Cross why he forsook himself. It makes not a lick of sense.

I AM a Christian, mind you. I just do not think Jesus of Nazareth was God. He was instead the finest philosophical teacher and Holy Man ever to walk the Earth, and probably did even do some hands on Faith Healing. His teachings can without a doubt help one to lead a better life, and get closer to the one true God.

But Yeshua was a mortal. His Resurrection was a Spiritual Awakening on the part of his earlier followers.

for this view I am accused of being Demon driven and Satanic from some of our more zealous religious nuts. (I cannot call them Christians since their rancor and intolerance is too much for anybody who would truly follow the teachings of Jesus.)

I know many atheists who are more Spiritual than SaintNow or Badman. Many.

they think parroting fire and brimstone bronzed age mythos equates to being a Man of God. It does not.

God Bless.

Side: There is no god but God
Saintnow(3684) Clarified
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http://faithfreedom.org/Articles/skm30804.htm

Jesus became sin for us, He paid our price, and in His moment of agony dying, God withdrew from Him as God cannot be with sin. God the Son humble Himself in the form of a man to suffer for our sins and paid our price. It was completely foreign to Jesus to be separated from God. He had done no sin, but took our sins on Himself and God withdrew Himself. That is why the sky was dark for three hours in the middle of the day as Jesus died. Because He is God, death could not hold Him in the ground and He will not be humbled by it again and His blood will cover your sins or it will be the winepress of the fierceness of God's wrath against your sins and you will be left dying forever in Hell.

If you believe on Jesus and receive Him as your Savior, He will, by His Spirt, the Holy Ghost, enter in to you and be in you a new life making you a new creation as a child of God. If you keep asking stupid questions insisting what God did for you to secure your pardon and save you from Hell is not good enough for you, all you have is death in your sin and your place will be in Hell. You need to wake up and think for yourself.

Side: There is no god but God
Ayemaker(237) Disputed
0 points

It's not really fair for you to take both sides of the debate. you seem to lean heavily towards the Jesus side though. If there is only one God, how is praying to Jesus the right thing?

Side: There is no god but God
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

Dear God my Father, in the name of God your Son who paid for my sins with your own blood, and rose from the dead conquering death to give eternal life and forgiveness of sin to all who believe on Him, I pray that this Muslim promoting devil will be shown for the liar it is so this poor Muslim can be delivered from the clutches of Satan who disguises himself as Allah and uses Muhammed's name and legacy as lies to fool idiots into believing a religion of murder is actually a religion of peace.

God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit, these three are One. The LORD our God is one God. Allah is Satan in disguise, Islam is murder and not peace.

Side: Jesus is lord
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

Allah is not God, it is used as the flag of Muslims who want to take over the world.

Allah is the ancient pagan moon god adopted by Muhammed when he wandered the deserts as a robber, and forced on the people of Mecca so they had to say God's name is Allah or be killed by Muhammed and his gang of thieves and murderers. Islam always has been and always will be murder, and all who live by it will be left in Hell.

http://faithfreedom.org/Articles/skm30804.htm

Jesus Christ, born as a Jew when He as God took on the form of a man, the Second Adam, will rule the world from Mt. Zion, and Islam will be forever gone.

Praying to Allah is no different than praying to Satan.

The only way to God the Father is through God the Son, Jesus, who made the way for us by giving God's blood to pay for our sins so we can be saved in His resurrection. I pray to God the Father in the name of God the Son who paid my price in death with His blood so I am forgiven by God in His resurrection. God, Jesus, lives in me by His Holy Spirit who is God.

Side: Jesus is lord
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

whatever. If you don't get saved, you will be as you are, lost and dying, with no way out of Hell

Side: Jesus is lord
dadman(1701) Clarified
0 points

because scripturally we are directed to do so

and the fact that Jesus IS God

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Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness .... Genesis 1:26

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John 10:33 .. the Jews answered him . . . for a good work we do not stone you ..

but for blasphemy .. and because you .. being a man .. >> make yourself out to be God NAME < (singular) of the Father / the Son and the Holy Spirit

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If you really knew me .. you would know my Father as well .. From now on .. you do know him and have seen him . . . Philip said .. Lord .. show us the Father and that will be enough for us . . . Jesus answered .. Don't you know me .. Philip .. even after I have been among you such a long time . . . Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father . . . John 14

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For to which of the angels did God ever say .. You are my Son .. Today I have become your Father .. Or again .. I will be his Father .. and he will be my Son . . . And again .. when he brings his firstborn into the world .. he says . . . Let all God's angels worship him .. Now about the angels he says .. He makes his angels winds .. and his servants flames of fire . . . But about the Son he says .. Your throne .. O God .. is forever and ever .. and the scepter of your kingdom is a righteous scepter . . . Hebrews 1:5

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For unto us a child is born .. unto us a son is given .. and the government shall be upon his shoulder .. and his name shall be called Wonderful .. Counselor .. The mighty God .. The everlasting Father .. The Prince of Peace . . . Isaiah 9:6

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The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son .. and they will call him Immanuel .. which means . . . God with us . . . Matthew 01:23

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John 01:01 - In the beginning was the Word .. and the Word was with God .. and the Word was God

John 01:14 - The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us .. We have seen his glory .. the glory of the One and Only .. who came from the Father .. full of grace and truth

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See to it that no-one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy .. which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ .. For in Christ all the fulness of the Deity lives in bodily form . . . and you have been given fulness in Christ .. who is the Head over every power and authority . . . Colossians 2:8-10

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Now Thomas (called Didymus) .. one of the Twelve .. was not with the disciples when Jesus came . . . So the other disciples told him .. We have seen the Lord .. But he said to them . . Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were .. and put my hand into his side .. I will not believe it . . . A week later his disciples were in the house again .. and Thomas was with them . . Though the doors were locked .. Jesus came and stood among them and said . . . Peace be with you . . . Then he said to Thomas .. Put your finger here .. see my hands .. Reach out your hand and put it into my side .. Stop doubting and believe . . . Thomas said to him .. My Lord and my God . . . Then Jesus told him .. Because you have seen me .. you have believed . . . blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed . . . Jesus did many other miraculous signs in the presence of his disciples .. which are not recorded in this book .. But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ .. the Son of God .. and that by believing you may have life in his name . . . John 20

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And at his appointed season he brought his word to light through the preaching entrusted to me by the command of God our Savior . . . Titus 01:03

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We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding .. so that we may know him who is true .. And we are in him who is true .. even in his Son Jesus Christ . . . He is the true God and eternal life . . . I John 5:20

Side: There is no god but God
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
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No wonder you cuss like you want to kill everybody, your mouth is full of Muslim bombs trying to kill everybody with profanity.

Side: Jesus is lord
1 point

When I've got nothing better to do.

Side: Jesus is lord
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

So that's it? That's all you got? I'm pretty sure you're on the wrong website. You sound like a brainwashed fool endlessly repeating what he's been told to say.

Why don't you go post kitten videos on Facebook or something.

Side: There is no god but God
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Side: Jesus is lord