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At first, i was just looking at the brightest star in the center with the rings around it, and i thought, how do you not see the face of god right there, and then i saw the lion, and im assuming this is what the jews meant by the lion of judah, you will ask how the hell could they have seen the xray version of a pulsar, simple, if you have faith and belief in the divine, this is probably what they saw.
Also, there is a cat below the lion, its alot harder to see, but if you focus long enough you will see it, and cats represent femininity, which is why its dark on that side, and light on top, heaven and hell, maybe this is what our ancestors saw?
you said its something we cannot grasp, well thats false because its easily graspable, its just big, its not complex, theres just alot of it, doesnt mean we cant grasp it
But you are incorrect here as well. You cannot grasp something you cannot imagine, and imagining infinity is impossible. Therefore you've not grasped it nor imagined it.
Really, this is silly. It's not me saying this is an impossible idea for you to grasp. It's like every great mind to have ever put an ounce of thought into it.
Arguing that you happen to have apparently infinite brain cells and exist on infinite planes and for all of past present and future, and so are able to grasp the impossible,
Then describing this intensely large and unfathomable thing as
"No beginning and no end, there I proved it."
Really shows you've not put any thought into this whatsoever.
no we are like organisms part of a body that inhibits a larger body and we have organisms in us, our realities that we create, but we are also all connected to a larger part of something else, we grew out of it we have its genes, this is logical in my eyes
... okay. But it proves neither that you can imagine infinity (from the other debate) nor has anything at all to do with the "face of god" (from this debate).
if you can imagine us as cells working in a body, then you would realize we need to work together to keep our body that governs us healthy so that it doesnt die, and we need to keep ourselves healthy so that our own bodies dont die... but this is all just theoretical, but it is an example, and the face of god thing just has to do with perception of realitty
if you can imagine us as cells working in a body, then you would realize we need to work together to keep our body that governs us healthy so that it doesnt die, and we need to keep ourselves healthy so that our own bodies dont die
Again, inconsequential to any argument you've put forth. Ignoring it has nothing to do with anything, we know cells act of their own accord and we do not have any say in how they act... and I mean, sure, we want to stay healthy, but wtf? I mean, I might as well start citing 7-11 menus and talking about the mating habits of fruit flies. That's how random you're being here.
and the face of god thing just has to do with perception of realitty
Perception of reality has no bearing on reality. If I perceive unicorns in my closet, it does not make those exist.
it was an example to show you we all need to work together because we are all interconnected in something larger, just like what our ancestors claimed and just like what quantum mechanics is explaining, and perception of reality has everything to do with reality, im extremely spiritual and i can see the images in that picture perfectly clearly, whcih goes to show the way you think affects your reality, which means reality is subjective http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2012/apr/29/neuroscience-david-eagleman-raymond-tallis
You are just going crazy. How do you even function in real life? You gotta find some better evidence and proof than what you're saying. Yes, society does work together, and if the people in the society work together and are healthy and intelligent, it will be beneficial for the rest, but that doesn't seem to indicate some sort of pantheist being composed of all that exists.
No I don't? I don't really know how to define important in that way. I'm not a spiritualist. Purposeful nihilism is more what I'm into. I choose my own purpose, because there isn't any other complex purpose designed by a god or the universe.
If there was a purpose for everyone, why do children die from starvation before they even become an adult?
Importance is the same. I can judge whether or not something or someone is important to me, but I wouldn't ever say anything is objectively important. I just don't hold strong irrational beliefs like most people seem to.
well, ill give my opinion in the children who die but these are just from my beliefs: children who die early already fulfilled their purpose in a greater way than we can not understand currently, and they will just reincarnate somewhere else, everyone is a soul to me, yes its sad people die, but its life, gotta move on, shit happens, no need to cry about it, we only cry because it takes along time until we see them again, but in the 5th dimension (where newborn souls go presumably) there is no time and no death and nothing physical, so we are all just there, death is not terrifying to me, i cant wait to die, because my biggest curiosity is what happens after death, i believe we do leave our bodies, but it could be we just decompose in the ground, which would be cruel, and that would mean life is cruel, but i dont think so, i find beauty in everything, even death, especially death, and importance is not shame, attachment is shame
I think you're crazy and should probably stop trying to convert me. You're not debating at this point, you are just spewing bullshit with no reason or sense. Please get help.
im not trying to convert anyone, im trying to make people understand we are all intertwined in a way, imagine it like this: we are simply atoms right? everything is atoms right? so imagine your body as a bunch of atoms, and the earth as a bunch of atoms, the tree you see is atoms, the food you eat is atoms, the shit you poop is atoms (im not saying we are shit, but i hope you get the idea) and then we have the dark matter which we know nothing about but probably connects us through cosmic umbilical cords, dark matter is probably the spiritual world, it pprobably has things we cant or wont be able to perceive for a long long time, but our minds can perceive those things because it is a direct result of the universe, just like everything else is... it just takes practice to be able to perceive it, do you see what im trying to say?
It made sense, with a few minor errors until "We must realize that this energy itself is intelligent. "
Now, I kept reading, but I don't think that what atoms do is a sign of intelligence. It appears to function based on the laws of physics, not on how the atom feels. If it heats up due to absorbing radiation, it will vibrate faster. That is just how it works. If it gives off radiation, it will vibrate slower as it cools. But that is a nonthinking reaction. Heat simply moves from hot to cold.
There isn't intelligence, that is just how physics works.
Calling everything god is alright, but inaccurate because of this. It leads to a useless definition of god. I had made a thought experiment debate argument on this, but by the time I was done, I had lead myself to the conclusion that calling the universe a god was pointless. The universe is the universe, and it is not intelligent or "alive". If fire was a living thing, sure, but no. It's not a living thing, and calling it a living thing because it consumes, expends energy, will grow if it gets more fuel and shrink with less and die if it starves or suffocates COULD work, but that makes all chemical reactions living, and that makes a useless definition because other forms of life, such as germs, cats and people are better examples of alive.
I mean, there's Carl Sagan's "We are all made of star stuff" thing, which is true.
But you'd have to watch Cosmos to understand that, and you are not interested, right?
Otherwise, all I can see it that you are trying to make people understand that we are all intertwined in a way, which is what I mean by converting me.
You want me to believe what you say based on faith and pseudoscience, and absolutely no real proof or evidence, for that would earn you one million dollars, and to say no to that is to prove that most of what you say isn't true, and what is true, I likely already agree with.
No im highly interested in it, but im more interested in learning about god, than i am studying how if one little organism was different, our entire universe would be different, which is very intriguing, but that fact just lends me to believe even more in an intelligent force behind it all, that is perfect in what it does, if this universe was not perfect, we would not be here
i would also suggest you read about pam reynolds, she was clinically brain dead but still had an OBE while she was being operated on, while her brain showed no activity
Open your mind dude, they are subverting us under their control without us even realizing it, they are damn good at what they do, the EMF grid around the earth has nodal points on it, AKA sacred sites where frequencies of the earth are very high, we have military bases on almost all primary nodes of energy, if you control the grid, you control human conciousness, as we are electromagnetic bodies, we connect with the grid, there is so much history on this stuff, spirituality like OBEs has only died off in the past 100 years, they are using HAARP to interfere with the grids around our planet, and they have it at such a frequency that light can not pierce through it, but we are light beings, we are energy beings of love, thats why they say love is the answer, love solves all problems, love is the key and they have taken it from us
If you dont want to believe it thats cool, but im an extreme believer in it
i watched a few seconds of your video, you know my beliefs, you should know i dont care about human life im more interested in connecting with the one source, with the universe, the universe is suited to keep itself sustainable, i didnt say anything about being perfect for organic physical life
Well, that's fine, but I mean, hallucinations are not truth. DMT is certainly interesting, but if you learn lots of neuroscience, or at least a little, it's not exactly a "spirit molecule" anymore. It's just a chemical that influences the brain like any drug or natural chemical like dopamine or serotonin.
yes except DMT is within all living organisms, its what gives us life, without our third eye we would be blind (not physically blind but spiritually blind, this is also what is meant when jesus healed the blind man, he didnt give him physical sight, he gave him INSIGHT as to what life is really about)
And wat, insight? man, you are messed up... DMT doesn't really do that stuff. Someone I know tried DMT once or twice, and even though that person thought it was interesting, it's not like hallucinations are reality.
then why do we see hallucinations in this reality? if this was real reality we wouldnt see hallucinations at all, would we? i thought reality was objective to you? and DMT is just a stepping stone to what lies ahead
Because the brain is not perfect. Did you think it was perfect?
Reality is objective, as in, if a person shouts to a blind man, "Watch out for that wall!" and the blind man says "I don't believe you, there's no wall", that blind man will soon hit that wall, no matter what he believes.
However, as also described, human perspective IS subjective. What you feel and think and sense is unique to you, but what you are sensing is objective reality, in that there is only one truth, rather than a separate truth for each person, depending on what they believe.
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Also, you know about religion, right? You think that a person who strongly believes in their god is right? Is a creationist right about the world being 6000 years old? He might think he is right, and he might feel right, but the truth is that he is simply not right. It is a wrong assumption, the objective truth, based on evidence is that the big bang happened. Quasars, stars, galaxies, the age of the earth when dated, the moon, impact craters on the moon and the life cycle of the sun and how it functions with nuclear fusion all prove that the universe must be older than 6000 years old, so no matter how much a creationist claims that creationism is the truth, the reality is that he is simply wrong, just as I have a strong feeling you are wrong about all of the new age stuff you talk about.
The creationist isnt wrong necessarily, we dont know that there wasnt a divine force that created the big bang, and used evolution as a means of trial and error, we just dont know that, so creationists may be wrong on the timeline, but there is a high chance they arent wrong about it all being created from one intelligent self sustaining source
We don't know, but that's what Occam's razor is for.
I made this picture before, but look. The universe doesn't need a god, so to inject one without real purpose might make a person feel good and make intuitive sense, but if that doesn't match reality, why bother?
Einstein said "Everything should be as simple as possible, but not simpler."
That means if the universe has a theory that can allow it to form itself easier than a god can form itself, why have the part about a god?
If god can form itself from nothing, why not the universe?
god/the source never formed itself, it has always been, energy cant be created or destroyed, it just is and has been for an infinite amount of eternities, and always will be for eternity, even though we are that energy and you may not quite comprehend it (not saying your stupid, its hard as shit to understand)that
But I understand it even better than you, I think.
We are all made of star stuff is not only what you believe, but it is what I KNOW.
There is evidence for my beliefs, making them not beliefs, but knowledge.
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However, what you call god, I simply call natural processes of nature. I don't think they are intelligent, nor should they be worshiped. They just are.
Seriously, watch Cosmos. Nothing else is as clear and as beautiful as that show, and it's all based on evidence. If you watched all the episodes, you would likely ... I don't know.
If you think higher forms of consciousness exist, then you would embark on a personal journey towards the heart of the universe and all existence.
It is perhaps not as metaphysical and as magical as what you believe now, but it is certainly real, with evidence, and certainly quite a bit more fascinating than magic crystals or OBE stuff.
im gonna watch every episode now, and i will reply when i am done, but i just want to say even if i do learn so much from this, in todays society just based on my past and my current financial situation, i will never be able to, well, i shouldnt say never, but in todays society i will never be able to work on this stuff even though it is what i dreamed of doing as a kid, i would love to be an astronaut and go into space, when i was a kid my room was full of glow in the dark planets and stars, but im afraid i will never be "fully accepted" because my past says "this guy cant do anything" when in fact i know alot about life, i just dont know how to put it into scientific terms, and i fear i will never be able to contribute major advances to the scientific community mainly because they wouldnt accept me at all, and that breaks my heart :(
Science is easy if you're dumb. If you're really really smart, you think you know everything. I'm dumb as a rock, so that means I have to really study stuff carefully so I know I'm not being mislead or confused. You aren't curious if you already think you know how stuff works. But if you go to question gravity, you become motherfucking ISAAC NEWTON. A genius among geniuses. I mean, gravity is SO obvious, yet understanding it didn't come for thousands, even millions of years.
Mathematics is very tough, but it's very logical. Combine the right brained curiosity and passion to learn about the secrets of the universe with the left brained analytical intelligence, and you will become a very happy person. Any really, you know why it's called Cosmos: A Personal Voyage, right? It's not just some unfeeling, cold calculating machine. Science is about learning about yourself and the world you live in and how it really works.
You talked a lot about stuff like auras, which I tried to read into when I was younger. I was convinced I could see them. But then I also had telekinetic powers, but those I just made up, yet my classmates thought I could really move pencils with my mind, and I almost thought I could too.
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I once convinced my little sister with a letter that she was invited to a school of magic, like in Harry Potter. I had convinced her that magic was real, and that she could actually do it, showing her how she levitated an object, despite it only being wind.
The human mind loves to see magic in the unknown, but after you've tricked someone into believing something, and start to think it's real yourself... I mean, I had pretended to be jealous that I hadn't been invited to the school too, but then I actually did feel jealous. It makes you realize how easy it is to believe things, even though you made them up yourself, and how easy it is to convince something else of something you already know is fake. Not just a simple lie, but something like magic. To think you can do magic would be amazing, even if it ended up being fake. Yet, it was never real.
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I'm not sure what the point of my story is, but if you uncover the unknown, even though it's now a fact, doesn't it make you happy that you found something out? And you are always finding new stuff out every day. I mean, I'm happy I met you because I learned a lot about my own beliefs. Even though you didn't convince me, you made me think about a lot of stuff I normally don't think about, and that's really cool, in my opinion.
Crazy people have to stick together, so that's why we're friends no matter what we debate.
And you know Carl Sagan wrote a book on weed legalization, right?
Also, if you want to do something really cool, buy some incense and a strong green laser, then move the laser through the smoke. It will blow your mind. Like woah.
god/the source never formed itself, it has always been, energy cant be created or destroyed, it just is and has been for an infinite amount of eternities, and always will be for eternity, even though we are that energy and you may not quite comprehend it (not saying your stupid, its hard as shit to understand) because you say how can we see or hear or perceive without our physical senses and our brain, we dont need those to live as we are supposed to, this is just the experience, what we perceive now, the reality of it is what we dont perceive, its what we are doing unconciously in 10 different dimensions, in different planes of existence and we can reside in these other planes of existence through death, and we can visit these planes (our own personal conciousness) through OBEs
i understand you man even the heaven/hell part before you explain it. Yes there is a divine balance in nature that symbolically display the face of god but sorry to say from my point of view there isn't an actual face to be seen. Also do you fully understand what a jew really is? I'm not just talking about what common religion scripter teaches.
idk, lol, but the quran describes a star that emits knocking and piercing effects, and if the neutrino star emits sounds, and sound is what everything is, and high freqeuncy sound is what god is described as, then do you not think the pulsar is divine? especially with my beliefs and how i can see the images and you guys can not?
Well I don't really know about all that...... seriously, I have no idea what's going on but I had a cousin who had a Nissan Pulsar and it was anything but divine! The thing was a piece of shit!
No... Do you really take religious prophecy seriously? I mean, they use too many capital letters.
If Truth has a capital T, you can be sure that whoever is talking about it is delusional. The more capital letters in a sentence, the more sure I am that the writer is insane.
And no, please learn what a pulsar is. You are just making things up now.
You need to use science and the scientific method, not this spiritual nonsense.
I have looked at it and seen a couple of images that could be called face like, like this and a closer look like this, do I believe it's the face of God? No.
It's like an ink-blot, people see things because humans are pattern finders and we like to humanise things.
Seriously.... The Burning Man Festival is going on right now. If you can't score weed there, you don't know what you're doing. Just take a week, maybe two. Go on and smoke out. Get all out of your system.
well i guess that goes to show the evidence of how left brain and right brain affects our thinking which affects our perception of life and how reality is subjective, and not objective, would you not agree? and yes i did see the cupcake, im not blind
hm, i seem to have said light is welcoming, which wouldnt make sense, i guess i should have said light is giving, so to envelop the giving in darkness and turn it into self centeredness is when the light starts to disappear, but if you go into the dark and light a candle, there can never be darkness, and if we are enshrouded in darkness, we lose our life, in all aspects of anything
Hahaha, you are forgetting something VERY IMPORTANT.
Which way is up?
If you're in OUTER SPACE, then for an object that dense, everything you are looking at is down.
Just flip the photo. There's no up or down in the universe, no left or right.
If you flip the image, it would be just like it is in space, but you wouldn't see the same images.
You're thinking far too human. You think deep space is human or based on instinct? There is no up or down in space. Pulsars formed before humanity, so they are very alien.
I doubt you could comprehend such a mystery so easily, with such human terms. Heaven and hell?
Ahaha, seriously, watch all of Cosmos.
Not just some bits of it, but all the episodes. It will blow your mind.
but do you not see all of the images in the picture? i am now seeing alot more images in the picture, do you really not see these images? or do you just see a cluster of stars? i actually see alot more than a lion and cat now... so what does that mean? and the reason they represent heaven and hell is because light is welcoming, and the dark is fearsome
Are you sure you are mentally ok? I mean, I am serious when I ask this. Your writing style is so disjointed that it seems like you are basically falling apart right now. Are you on drugs? I mean, it's interesting to talk about, but you seem to believe it so strongly, yet you can't really explain anything and everything you say is just bizarre and crazy.
You are "seeing things" in the most true definition. It is fine to use drugs sometimes, but please watch yourself. If you start really believing this stuff too hard, you might break something or hurt yourself.
I mean, don't take magic stuff too seriously. It's not like it's actually real...
NO,I have never seen someone's face who called god. He doesn't exist. 'Cause it is bulls*it of naive people, who believes in it. There are no arguments of his existing, all those things that happens around us is human being and only. 'Cause people are gods themselves.. it depends on evolutional development of person. So, if person has superhuman capabilities he equals to god. That's why I consider god as a person whose evolutional development on high level.
