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Debate Score:101
Arguments:219
Total Votes:113
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Do you think God is good?

God is good, but do you think it's apparent?

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Side Score: 54
2 points

it depends how you define good.

I knew someone who shot his mother-in-law dead from a range of 800 yards.

Yes he was a ''good shot'', but was he a good person?

Side: Pros
1 point

That statement may sound true enough, but I can comprehend on what you've said about God, but I can say it is true enough.

Side: Pros
NowASaint(1388) Clarified
1 point

What about how you define "is" ?

Side: Pros
NowASaint(1388) Clarified
0 points

What about how you define "is" . Also, how do you define "define", and how do you know it's a good definition? Which must be defined first for the definition to be good, "define", or "good"?

Why does anything have to be defined, and does "anything" really mean "nothing", and what definition of "really" are you using? ?

Side: Pros
1 point

I can use this one to destroy your religion.

Downvoted so that you can't edit it.

Side: Cons
1 point

Obviously God is good, He gives life and has not dealt with us according to our sins, we all have time we do not deserve under His mercy outside of Hell. God gives us time. God gives life. God gives love. God is good, always....and it's good to know the bones of the wicked will be like undying coals in the bonfire of Hell.

Side: Pros
MzKenie(54) Disputed
1 point

Do you think God is good? Now think of this: God is good. Now say this: God is Great. Now I want you to think crucially, why do you think He's critical?

Side: Cons
NowASaint(1388) Clarified
2 points

I know God is good and there is none nearly so great as He is. What's your point?

Side: Pros
NowASaint(1388) Clarified
2 points

Why do I think He's critical? I never though of God that way. I guess it fits, God sees your heart and judges every word, thought, and action...but He is much more than critical.

Side: Pros
ironskillet(220) Disputed
1 point

God gives death. God gives suffering and pain. God gives instant fetal death syndrome.

You act as if we do not deserve to live a pleasant life because we don't obey a God who imposes instant fetal death syndrome upon this world. Do we not have natural rights to life, liberty, and property?

Side: Cons
NowASaint(1388) Clarified
1 point

You act like you get some kind of sadistic pleasure from believing God gives you death, suffering, pain, and sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS...get the name of the disease correct when you are blaming God for your problems).

Side: Pros
NowASaint(1388) Clarified
0 points

Death is the penalty for sin, by allowing time dying, God fulfills His plan to have a race of people like Himself in Heaven. Suffering and pain are part of being in time under God's mercy and we do not deserve a moment of time outside of Hell; nobody does except for the innocents who are unable to understand the concepts of sin, guilt, forgiveness.

If you deserve to live, why can't you stop yourself from dying? If you won't admit you have sinned against God and are worthy of nothing but death, how can you expect God to forgive you?

Blaming God for pain and suffering is wrong. He will relieve your pain and suffering if you will trust Him, the one who suffered for your sins and rose from the dead offering forgiveness to all who believe on Him and receive Him by faith as their Savior.

When you say you dislike the idea of obeying God, you put yourself under condemnation as a rebel against God, and God says the soul that sins will surely die.

If we deserve to live a pleasant life, why are there so many whose lives are unpleasant?

You deserve a pleasant life more than them ,apparently?

If you have the right to liberty, why are you chained in dying, and can never be free of it? While you are dying, you are accusing God of being guilty for putting death on you. Your sin brought it on yourself. What makes you any more deserving of life than the baby who dies of sids? Why should your time not end today?

Your thinking is backwards and hopeless. If you are going to blame God for pain and suffering you will never get out of it. It was your sins that He suffered and died on the cross. He paid your price to redeem you from the curse of sin and death, to save you from Hell.

I doubt that you will be rational in response to this; I've told you many times before, if you think blaming God for allowing you to live in a world of suffering and pain will keep you out of Hell, you have another thing coming. I see no point in trying to reason with you when you are unreasonable.

Side: Pros
DaisyGarnett(19) Disputed
1 point

Ah yes. God is good. He gave us time- but time runs out. he gave us life- we all die. Does actually love us? God has allowed horrific things to happen like cancer, war and inequality. therefore God can't be good.

Side: Cons
NowASaint(1388) Clarified
1 point

So you want to believe that in reality, nothing good comes from God, that is the way you want to look at reality, correct? You want reality to be void of anything good from God, correct?

Side: Pros
1 point

God id good and evil............................................................................

Side: Pros
jeffreyone(1364) Clarified
1 point

God is not evil but wicked maybe , is more appropriate. He only ignores the evil doings of satan and his people(at times) for several reasons. Disobedience(usually), repercussions of wrong deeds by you or ancestors(karma),Ex. Abominations(gay, incest, abortion~barreness,etc), murder(Cain), deceit(Ananias and wife).

Whenever these things are done by you or ancestors, and repentance of sins before God was not offered, you look filthy to God and He takes off his protection from you. And all curses said unto you will become effective by demonic mechanisms.(God will turn a blind eye)

And you know from the bible also, that God cursed many ancestors of several countries...........its taking effect because the don't have God's protection(angels) in the first place, plus they are cursed. As long as that blood exists, the curse will exist within it. Demons will hit you from all angles like death, famine, natural disasters etc. You can reference from the story of JOB when God took His protection off for a while.

If a member of such generation does not seek christ sincerely and deligently to be freed of all curses(from man,God or Sin),

Just like we suffer adams curses, so will they suffer the curses of their ancestors.

They posses the blood of their ancestors, and it is only by the blood which those curses can trace them.

But if they surrender to christ, they will be born again with the Holy blood of Christ which carries zero curses instead, the gift of eternal life.

Side: Pros
Sitar(3682) Clarified
1 point

I wish I could have Yeshua all to myself so I could get to know Him.

Side: Pros
1 point

I think God did what had to be done, in order to get humans to get along with each other. I've seen how idiotic people can be, they need a firm hand to get rid of those animalistic and immature tendencies.

Side: Pros
1 point

U may say god did evil things... but there were more good deeds that he did, such as creating mankind

Side: Pros
NowASaint(1388) Clarified
1 point

Yes, it is good that God created us. The meaning of life is that God is good; life means God is good.

Side: Pros
1 point

God is obviously good, He gives us time outside of Hell which we do not deserve.

Side: Pros
DaisyGarnett(19) Disputed
1 point

By that logic, we can estimate how good or evil a person has been just on their life span? So by that logic we can confirm that the most evil people are foetuses that are miscarried or die before they are born because God has sent them to Hell even before they were brought into the world? Even though babies are considered innocent because of there lack of awareness and knowledge.

Side: Cons
NowASaint(1388) Clarified
1 point

There none good. All have gone bad. You, me, your mother, all gone bad. We all deserve to die and burn in Hell, we are all rotten to the core, sinners with death in our genes, stuck in condemnation of death, as good as dead, and only God can get us out of it. He got me out, He can get you out but not against your will. You want to remain in death, you love your sin more than life, so there you have it and it's taking you to Hell...which I doubt you will believe until you find yourself unable to get out of the fire; and then you will say "OH GOD, WHY DIDN'T YOU TELL ME?!?!!?"

And then you will remember that you were told today, and numerous other times, and you would not listen.

Side: Pros
NowASaint(1388) Clarified
1 point

Who said babies go to Hell? whoever told you that was lying, and if you believe them you are dumber than the definition of atheist which is fool.

Side: Pros
NowASaint(1388) Clarified
1 point

You're on your way to Hell because you have lost your innocence. You have a choice. Babies do not have a choice, they are not able to comprehend guilt and need of mercy. They automatically expect God's protection. How do you think they get the nerve to throw big cry baby fits demanding attention for every little thing? They know God will execute vengeance against any who mistreat them, and they know they will be with God if their caretakers execute them. Babies have more backbone than you.

I clearly remember when I was a baby screaming out against evil I saw happening....and I clearly remember God's protection, I knew where I came from and I knew where I would go if anybody tried to silence me...so I screamed.

I didn't have the words for it then, but I sure do now and I sure do know what was happening and why I acted the way I did protesting. Atheism is willful disengagement of half of your brain.

Side: Pros
NowASaint(1388) Clarified
1 point

By that logic, every moment of time is this world is a moment of time you do not deserve, it is a gift from God. Why do you feel you have to complicate simple common sense? Do you think you prove you are smart by rejecting simple common sense?

You do not deserve one moment of time. If you deserve it, who are you going to sue when it is gone?

Side: Pros
1 point

Let my start by saying I am a Asatru Pagan. I converted to Asatru from being a Christian Baptist after reading as much holy text from any religion I could get my hands on.

I assume the God we are referring to for this debate is the Christian God.

I believe that all religions at their core teach people to do and be good, while also trying to define what good is. A simple fact of the matter is that their is no definitive proof for any religion so we can't know which is truely correct, we only have our faith to help us decide. It is when we go on to believe that not only is our chosen religion correct but any and all other religions are wrong and therefore the enemy that a problem occurs in the form of religious extremism. I don't think any religion regardless of how strange I find the teachings to be is inherently bad or evil I believe it's followers sometimes change said religion to become their justification for violence.

Side: Pros
NowASaint(1388) Clarified
1 point

Let's start by saying you are a sinner who deserves to die and burn in Hell the same as every other sinner.

Side: Pros
Iacov(68) Disputed
1 point

How interesting that the Abrahamic faiths always condemn non believers to eternal torture. My gods don't demand human worship (it is appreciated). My gods do not punish those who do not follow them.

Side: Cons
1 point

I agree with you. Religion is just a tool, it's the wielder that decides how to use it that defines if they are good or bad. Just blaming religion takes the weight off the person who does the bad. Personally I don't care if one worships God, Gaia, Zeus or a pasta God, just be a good person and try to do good. That's ultimately what matters.

Side: Pros
Mint_tea(4136) Clarified
1 point

Also, Asatru Pagan? I've not heard of it, would you mind telling me what the belief system is? Only if it's not too personal, it sounds interesting.

Side: Pros
Iacov(68) Clarified
1 point

It means I follow the old Norse Gods, names you may recognize are Thor Odin or Tyr but I choose the patron goddess of HlΓ―n.

Side: Pros
1 point

God is good. The question is not to define good but to define evil. There is evil doing, an action that one enacts upon another. Then there are evil things that happen that are natural evils. For example, John died of hypothermia due to the extreme weather conditions. This is terrible, what happened to John, but God permits evil to happen to bring about Good. His life and death was a primary example of an evil doing, him being put to death. But much good was done by sacrificing himself for all mankind.

Side: Pros
1 point

God was tortured to death for my sins, so yes. I love Him and He loves me.

Side: Pros
4 points

If 'God' is indeed omnipotent as the bible suggests then the very fact that there is any kind of poverty, famine and other natural disasters that are not a result of human intervention means that either God doesn't care about us or he takes pleasure in our pain and suffering- either way God's an evil bastard.

Side: Cons
NowASaint(1388) Clarified
1 point

Have you thought maybe you are projecting the evil in your own heart onto God, looking at Him as you are yourself, using Him as a scapegoat for your own evil, trying to make yourself feel better by saying you are better than God because you care more than Him?

Then I have to ask do you really care about the pain and suffering of others? You seem to be gloating over the fact that people are in suffering and pain as if they give you ammunition to shoot at God while you scream out that you are better than He is.

Have you ever thought that you are no better than the people in the worst suffering which you talk about? Have you ever thanked God that you are not in such trials? Do you only blame God for evil and not thank Him for the good things you enjoy while you talk so carelessly about the pain and suffering of others?

Do you really think God owes you freedom from pain and suffering, and you thank Him not at all for anything good you enjoy?

Really, I think God is good and you are evil, a child without chastisement of your Heavenly Father, you are the bastard child.

Side: Pros
DaisyGarnett(19) Disputed
2 points

God is omnibenevolent. God is Omniscient. God is Omnipotent. Yet moral and natural evil exist? if God knows of all the evils the world and He has the power to stop it and He has the love in His heart to stop it, why is there still evil in this "perfect creation" that He created?

Side: Pros
1 point

There is no reason for God to intervene in any earthly suffering.

Side: Pros
NowASaint(1388) Clarified
0 points

With that kind of attitude, I guess I can see why God might not intervene on your behalf....and yet I know He has intervened for you. You just want to be in rebellion so you won't see His intervention, apparently.

Side: Pros
NowASaint(1388) Clarified
1 point

This is some of the stupidest stuff parroted by atheists. It proves you have turned off your brain and are becoming some kind of zombie recording device which makes noise when it's button is pushed.

Side: Pros
anonymousdeb(61) Disputed
1 point

Interesting. Well, first problem is that most of these things are, at least, according to the Bible, due to Adam and Eve's sin. Yet that does not address the issue of why God does not stop these problems. I would guess that it would be for the better in the long run. Why I don't know, exactly, but...

Plus, poverty and famine are sometimes due to a corrupt government, so it is caused by humans. However, most likely due to free will, maybe... he does not want to interfere.

Side: Pros
2 points

The Latin maxim covers this question - ignoramus et ignorabimus

Side: Cons
1 point

No God is evil ..............................................

Side: Cons
MzKenie(54) Disputed
1 point

God is not evil, reread what I've said...........................................

Side: Pros
Dermot(5453) Disputed
1 point

I don't need to reread , you asked a question , I answered as in ... no .. and stated god was evil ... so your problem seems to be comprehension .

Side: Cons
ironskillet(220) Disputed
0 points

Saying "God is not evil because I said God isn't evil" holds no actual basis. If someone chose to allow infant fetal death syndrome to exist and had the power to take it away, I would consider them evil.

Side: Cons
Sitar(3682) Disputed
0 points

God created Satan and the demons knowing what evil they would................................................................................

Side: Pros
0 points

Yes, God knew what they would do before He created them. He knew some of them would rebel and to show Himself justified to keep them in Hell forever, He would have to give Himself in death , take the penalty of sin on Himself.....but it was not for the angels who sinned as they do not go through a physical death, He died for us to buy us back from the curse of sin and death. The devil who caused all the trouble in the first place by leading man into sin is condemned while the blood of Christ covers the sins of all who believe on Him. The devil knows that because Christ is risen from the dead, the devil is condemned to eternal dying in the lake of fire.

God knew the would turn evil, He knew mankind would be led into sin, and He knew what He would have to do to show Himself just in forgiving people who repent and believe on Him in His resurrection, and to show Himself just for leaving the devil with no way to be saved from the lake of fire.

Side: Pros

God is after all the root of all evil, the evil amongst other evils. Are you going to pay heed if someone mentions about the horrors and evils that the europeans of the Middle Ages went through? How such an idea might turn on a potential psychopath into someone who's capable of inflicting pain? Or is it that this God, this omnipotent figure in our universe is able to create another world only reserved for people whose unwillingness and resistance brought them there in the first place? Imagine, a change full of rebellious souls tortured. Indeed its metaphorical interpretation can only lead one into concluding of his evilness.

Side: Cons
NowASaint(1388) Clarified
1 point

How did you get to be such a stupid punk . ?

Side: Pros
Denis_didero(24) Disputed
1 point

Now, is that an intelligent thing to say? If not then what's the point of you using this website?

Side: Pros
1 point

There is no such thing as a "God". And even if there was a "God", he sure as hell ain't good. Why would God allow a world where children especially third world children die young from war, starvation, and malnutrition?

Side: Cons
NowASaint(1388) Disputed
1 point

How do you know you are real ?

Side: Pros
NowASaint(1388) Clarified
1 point

Who gave you authority to swear by Hell about God's character?

Sounds to me like it's you who is not good.

Side: Pros
NowASaint(1388) Clarified
1 point

Why would God allow you to have time in which you have to suffer? Why doesn't God just kill you now?

Side: Pros
NowASaint(1388) Clarified
1 point

Why would God allow people like you to talk stupid? Why doesn't He just kill you now?

Side: Pros
AlofRI(2843) Clarified
1 point

Maybe it's because he doesn't exist??? Ever think of that?

Side: Pros
1 point

If you go by the "Old Testament", "GOD" killed, at least, thousands (including innocent babies, meaning HE believes in abortion(?))... by his own (hand??). It seems AFTER the Old Testament he just made us sick or let the evil HE created kill us. That, somehow, gets called "Gods love".

"When one person suffers from a delusion it is called "insanity". When MANY suffer from a delusion it's called a "religion"". Robert Persig

I simply can't "worship" such a terrible entity. Some would say that's evil, but then, HE created evil, they say, and I don't LIKE evil, can't help it. It's my God-given right! ;-)

Side: Cons
NowASaint(1388) Clarified
1 point

Who is killing you, fool? What makes you think God is not killing you? Why doesn't God stop you from dying? Why doesn't God keep you safe from pain and suffering?

Are you getting what you deserve?

You ever think of that, fool?

Side: Pros
AlofRI(2843) Clarified
1 point

I just turned 80. I'm still quite healthy, no pain and suffering. What makes you think "GOD" IS killing me?? I've lost a lot of friends ... many of which believed. I'm still here ... where I like it, THEY are gone. I'm not thinking I'm getting "what I deserve", I'm thinking I am just LUCKY. If I'm a "fool" I hope I can go on being one for a FEW more years. Obviously I don't have something hating me to death. Wish me luck! I hope YOU are at least as lucky ... maybe I AM a fool???

GOD! Save me from your believers! ;-)

Side: Pros
NowASaint(1388) Clarified
1 point

Listen to yourself...you just hate God and rather than accepting the fact that you deserve pain and suffering, you want o blame God for it. You're a fool, all you are doing is ensuring that your pain and suffering will never end. You think it will end? Let's see you get out of it.

Side: Pros
NowASaint(1388) Clarified
1 point

You forgot to mention that God killed everybody in the whole world, men women and children, in the flood.

Also, you forgot God's promise that the next time He destroys the world it will be by fire; and men will beg for death to escaped but they won't find it, they won't get relief.

Isn't it good to know God will subdue His enemies and separate them from the living forever while He keeps those who trust in His mercy safe in Heaven? Yes, it's good.

Side: Pros
AlofRI(2843) Clarified
1 point

I also forgot to mention that Superman came from Krypton and HE is capable of saving the world. Isn't it good to know that Superman will subdue his enemies and protect the living forever while he keeps those who trust HIM safe in this world? Yes, it is good to believe. Good night, sleep tight.

I really do hope YOUR "Superman" protects you.

Side: Pros
1 point

God is almost good. If He were really good He would spell God with 2 o's instead of one ;)

Side: Cons