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Debate Score:73
Arguments:37
Total Votes:78
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Do you think visiting a strip club counts as cheating?

Yes

Side Score: 29
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No

Side Score: 44
5 points

If your honey says it is - it is.

If your honey doesn't like you using the computer for porno then if want to have a relationship - would have to change your actions.

But if your honey is OK with it - and you're OK with your honey going t a strip club - without you or a nudist camp then go for it.

But it's you and your honey's decision - if one objects then you are no longer a couple and just friends with benefits.

Side: depends

At first I initially believed that it was and in most cases it is. Though I read your argument and I would have to agree with you more so than the opposing arguments.

Side: depends
TheThinker(1697) Disputed
3 points

I have watched television a lot. And one stereotype of women that i know is that women are always right. Now, i don't if that is exactly true in reality, but it seemed like to me that that statement was implied in your arguement. I don't have the evidence to prove that women are always right and i do believe in that stereotype.

But ignoring that stereotype.....cheating is when one person has an affair with another woman. That is what cheating is in the eyes of the law. Your argument basically states the term cheating in the eyes of the woman.....which is a perspective issue.

But what direction should we take to answer this debate. The perspective route or the legal route. And what i mean by legal is the law....what society sees. And society sees cheating not a perspective issue.

I believe that it is difficult to ignore the perspective route because words are words. I can call you the "f" word and you can interpret that word with the meaning of "friend" or a "meatball sub sandwhich" instead of the definition that society interpreted for years. What i mean is, words are words. It is the meaning of the word that is important. And the meaning of the word can be changed between people.

I have to go with the legal route and say that going to a strip club is not cheating. And it is best to go with the legal route so everyone can share the same definition instead of having different definition of the word "cheating" or any word.

Side: No
casper3912(1581) Disputed
3 points

What country has a legal definition of cheating?

Side: No
ptosis(243) Disputed
1 point

I was trying really hard not the go the 'woman is always right" route and that is why I said the word "honey" instead of "spouse' because gay marriage is still not legal in most states.

In the end - you are right, it is not cheating. The flip side "perception is reality" is the jealous one who accuses the other of cheating for no reason other than for control.

I am a loyal honey - the only defense I can have when being falsely accused of cheating is, "Well hell -I might as well since I'm being accused" - because no amount of denial will change the controlling behavior of the jeaous.

Side: No
Skaruts(195) Disputed
1 point

It's interesting that the biggest thing that got me in love with my girl - apart from her exceptional personality and such - was that she never made me feel restrained with most things. Of course, we all have our little things, and I respect her when she would rather have me not doing something, and she acts reciprocaly.

But, in other words, showing to not be possessive and selfish and controling made me feel much more willing to respect her in most (if not all) cases of divergence.

I think there's too much people that can't see this, or are too scared to ever risk it. We have felt this way since the beggining, it happened kind of naturaly - a great thing, in my opinion - as we didn't take it too seriously at the time, so the risk wasn't so evident to us. But then as the relashionship matured and we took it more and more seriously, it still never got obsesively serious to the point of deteriorating it.

Side: No
churchmouse(328) Disputed
0 points

So spit it out...you like her because she allows you to do things that you want to do and you dont have to fight or feel guilty about it.

So if she doesnt care that you have an affair, go to a strip bar, grope some other woman or man....wow you got it made. No guilt.

But that is on the surface. I am sorry but if you really love and care, you dont want your significant other physically doing anything with someone else. Jealousy is one of the most destructive human emotion there is.... dont tell me that sooner or later...this doesnt come into play.

Side: yes
2 points

It all depends upon your worldview. If you call yourself a Christian, Christ said that if you lust after a woman in your mind you have already committed adultery. I have not met a man who has gone to strip club and not lusted after a woman so therefore it would be cheating in the Judeo-Christian worldview.

If you are not a Christian and your significant other doesn't mind then no it is not.

In the end it all depends upon your moral compass and relationship.

Side: yes

I agree if you are honest you would say yes.

People go to strip clubs to get off....

If you cared about or loved someone that much, one would not need to go to these clubs. Also I know for a fact that there is touch and feeling going on in the clubs. My daughters friend worked at one and she told me everything that goes on.

It is a place to cheat.

Side: yes

If my spouse stepped one foot into a strip club it would be the end. He would never put up with me doing it either....we made a covenant to eachother.

We do not frequent bars or places that would lead to anything like this.

Side: yes

Emotions are varying. Me and my wife just tend to stay away from whatever makes us uncomfortable. If you don't bank on what you both feel, you're going to create a gap of pain.

So since she doesn't want me going to some club and spending some money when I COULD be getting the same service and more from her, I don't. And I'm fine with it. Why shouldn't I be? Marriage only sucks if you let it suck after all. Besides, I'm overly moral and clingy anyway. Looking at other women makes me uncomfortable. So it's not like my wife is torturing me, what with the things we can share together...

But of course, the word 'suck' could be relative to how you interpret it. After all, it could be a bad or good thing to 'suck'...

Side: yes
1 point

a relation ship is not the union of two huma beens just to have sex. A relation ship is suppose to have love involved. You r with her/him cuz you love that person and want to spent your life with him/her. The moment you try to satisfy your sexual needs with other person you r been desrespectful against that other person. So not just strip clubs i mean just to think about another men or women outside the one of your relantionship is cheating

Side: yes
1 point

Most people go there for sexual pleasure so yes it does count.

Side: Yes

Strip clubs are teasers, it is not a petting zoo, it a pet store with thick plated glass, so if looking is cheating, then all men and women are cheaters.

Side: No
4 points

if looking is cheating, then all men and women are cheaters.

You hit the nail on the head.

Side: No
2 points

Yup. I usualy say 'Everyone in the world likes to "wash their eyes" whenever "divine waters" are within grasp.'

The primal instincts and feelings that lead to coupling aren't exclusive, no matter how much some people would like them to be.

Side: No
f3rnvnd0(3) Disputed
1 point

well am srry cuz i am happily married for 13 years and don't have the need to go any strip club or anything like cuz i have my woman and she give me all the ove i need... am not going to lie cuz not everything is bunnies and sunshine but is part of a relationship... and just in case you r no receiving all the love you want let me tell u is probably your fault

Side: yes
3 points

You are not cheating even if you sleep with another woman or man and your guy or your girl knows about it. There is a problem only if it is hidden.

Side: No

You are not cheating even if you sleep with another woman or man and your guy or your girl knows about it.

How?

Side: No
4 points

If you tell them. Like in Open marriages, open relationships.

Side: No
2 points

Only if you have coitus with the stripper or receive fellatio from her.

Side: No
churchmouse(328) Disputed
1 point

So if your significant other goes frequently to the same club and has a favorite...and he makes love to you while only thinking about the strippers body........thats ok...its not cheating the partner?

What if the girls gropes your crotch and you do nothing? What if you go into the back room and do nothing but let her feel you up........that ok?

Side: yes
Batdude(75) Disputed
2 points

If you have a significant other, why the fuck would you do any of those things?

Side: No
2 points

It's not cheating unless you sleep with the stripper. However, if your lover disapproves, you shouldn't go, for the sake of the relationship.

Side: No
1 point

It depends. "Cheating" isn't just the process of sex. "Cheating" is going behind the back of your significant other, without their consent, for your own personal gain. Hence the word, "cheating," like hiding a card in your sleeve while playing poker, etc. If she is okay with it, it doesn't constitute cheating.

Side: No
churchmouse(328) Disputed
1 point

You can cheat at cards and sit right in front of the people playing in the game. You can also cheat yourself while you are cheating.

Side: yes
1 point

It don't matter where you get your appetite, as long as you're eating at home.

Side: No
1 point

No. Cheating is stealing money from the bank during a game of monopoly or moving the checkers when she takes a piss. Or having sex with someone else.

Unless there is monopoly or sex in the strip club it's not cheating.

Side: No

Not at all! It is the theory of that a husband can look, but he can't touch.

Side: No
0 points

Not at all.

If people could think a bit more than they actualy do on a regular basis, they could perhaps realise that what you see in a strip club is nothing more than a live version of what you see in the internet (and most gfs/bfs don't mind it), and it's only another naked woman/man.

It's not like me or anyone will ever run away with the stripper aspiring to live a long lasting love, and dump the gf/bf in the process. It's not like we're going back there everynight just to see it again (in most cases, I guess). Sometimes it's a positive thing in which we get home with a huge will to just grab the second-half and do wonders. :D

I'm not very much into strip clubs, but I've been to one and my gf didn't mind it, and she's been to one in france in a trip she made with two of her gfs, and she told me she even had sex. To be honest, I don't see anything wrong with that. It was one time, it was just some stripper she'll never see again, and she was two weeks without me and she had asked me if it was ok even before she traveled. Well, I'm not expecting she's made of steel. :) Neither am I lol (And we are happy by being honest and mature with each other).

We have also been considering going together to a strip club when we travel somewhere. :D

Side: No
churchmouse(328) Disputed
1 point

It is more than just nakedness. This can also become an addiction with some people...I will say men because most going are men I believe.

They go there to get off...to get excited....to evoke a sexual emotion and response. Do you think men go and do not get erections....that would be another great question.

Strip clubs simply are not healthy for a committed relationship. As I said...jealously is a strong human emotion and can be deadly in a relationship.

Side: yes
churchmouse(328) Disputed
1 point

WEll sorry but I do not look at porn on the internet I can tell you that much. So don't make it seem like its normal and natural to view it there. If you want porn, you seek it out.

What you don't realize is that for a great many people it is addicting and they do go back on a regular basis. I think the entire industry has negative impacts on those who work it and go to partake in it. I beleive the sex industry like this website states works to kill both the body and the soul.

http://www.savedfromstripclubs.org/index.htm

http://www.sexualrecovery.com/stripclubaddiction.php

Let me tell you a little story that is personal.

I have two neighbors whose lives were destroyed by just going to strip clubs and how they got sucked in.

These two families were best friends, they traveled together, their kids were friends etc. The two men worked at the same company and often went to strip clubs for drinks. Their wives didnt care and occasionally they went....it didn't happen that much so big deal. So their wives thought......They freqented the clubs more and more...behind their wives back..you know for drinks....well not for just drinks. They ended up both having full blown affairs with strippers....they are in their late forties...the girls were early twenties. They obviously had some qualities their wives did not have.

My one neighbor just went to divorce court last Monday to finalize her divorce (kids want nothing to do with dad wont see him) and the other woman is not divorcing...she has breast cancer. Yea her husband screwed around on her at the time she got a breast removed. She needs him because she is so sick...she does't have the strength to ditch him. Their children know the truth....and lets just say its tough.

I warned them all...what their actions would do. Last halloween we had a block party and they mentioned that after they were going to the strip club...for a few drinks. I said...not a healthy place it ruins lives....they laughed. All for a drink....all just to watch normal sexual behavior...that does not lead to anything else.

I beleive this happens more than you know. My son plays on a hockey team. The same guys are missing every week. They tell their wives they play hockey while they go to the strip club. Why do they go? For drinks? You can buy a bottle and drink at home cant you?

They demean women, they destroy lives.....

Side: yes

Look at you churchmouse, having solid evidence and a really effective support story. Bravo.

I think it is sad when such things happen but we all have the choice to make or ruin our lives.While I don't think simply going is cheating, I don't go when in a relationship out of respect.

Side: yes