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Do you think we'll be able to do something to stop/reduce the amount of mass shootings?

Do you think people on all sides of the political spectrum will be able to push aside their stubbornness and find some common ground to attempt to cull some of the mass shootings that have occurred in the US over the past several years?  Be it better gun control, focus on mental health, closing loopholes.....whatever....this isn't a debate about WHAT to do or suggestions, it's more IF anything will happen and will it happen before we become immune to these kinds of tragedies? 

Sure hope so.

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No way.

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I doubt there will be anything done that would reduce the majority of these mass shootings because the real culprit is ignored by the Left. Guns are not the problem, our immoral culture is the core problem.

Remember back 50 years ago, and before, when we had many guns with little restrictions? Why were there no mass school shootings? Sure there were always some shootings by teens with anger towards certain kids or teachers, but never mass killings with no regard to who was killed.

Intelligent people would ask the question... what has changed? Intelligent people do not fret over the weapon of choice, but rather, WHY IT IS HAPPENING!

I believe since the lie of Separation of Church and State (those words are no place in our Constitution), our culture no longer lifts up the benefits of speaking to moral values, and we are seeing the results with constant bombardments of sex and violence on TV and in our culture.

I believe many of our children are growing up feeling abandoned and unloved in this self love me me generation. This creates anger.

You show me a child who feels loved and I will show you a child that would seldom do these evil things.

The constant rhetoric against guns by the Left is purely political because their ultimate goal is taking our guns one step at a time.

The only answer the Left has is how to supposedly reduce the numbers of people killed in each episode, rather than preventing the killings in the first place by addressing this immoral culture that creates these monsters.

Ask yourself why there is no outcry every time a bus load of children are killed by a drunk driver? Do you hear about it all over the national evening news? The weapon in these cases is alcohol, and the Left has no desire to do back ground checks for prior DWI arrests in bars or nightclubs because this would inconvenience them.

If you are honest, you will admit how only the Gun gets constant mention while thousands of our children are killed by repeat drunk drivers who even drive when their licenses are revoked.

As with all the unwed mothers on welfare, all the fatherless children and broken homes, the answer from the Left is always bigger Government, more social programs, etc. etc.

Never do they want to address the core reasons for the breakdown in moral values in today's culture.

It's not the gun, not the alcohol, not the promiscuous sex, not the drugs, etc.

It's a culture that no longer speaks to immoral lifestyles or choices. We watch MTV and Hollywood celebrate teen sex, one night hook ups, etc. etc.

They make everyone believe it is normal to live like this. Without God, a nation falls from within and we are witnessing it before our very eyes.

Side: Sure hope so.
Mint_tea(4641) Clarified
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Then you believe the potential reduction falls on parents teaching their children morals?

Side: Sure hope so.
FromWithin(8241) Clarified
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Yes, I believe the record numbers of broken families and children feeling unloved is the culprit for most of these mass shootings.

It's not just the parents teaching their children moral values, but every child having a loving home with parents who make them feel loved. If parents taught their kids that sex is meant for love and marriage, there would not be so many fatherless children.

Why would there be more mentally ill people today willing to mass murder children?

We had mentally ill people decades ago but they were not mass killing children! WHY?

That is the question, IT'S NOT THE WEAPON!

I believe drug use during pregnancy could be a reason for more mental illness today. We need to use our brains instead of following political agendas.

Side: Sure hope so.
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@Mint tea

Do you think we'll be able to do something to stop/reduce the amount of mass shootings?

Yes--though it requires a society in which people do not feel abandoned, trotted on, and thus turn resentful. One of the matters that I think Religion (i.e. Christianity, others) has gotten correct is the sense of Community support system, though this is overwhelming non-existent at present. America's cultural violence issues run much, much deeper than the outer manifestation of 'gun violence'--really, that is just the volcano erupting here & there. Then, unless the 'core issues' are addressed, nothing will fundamentally change. Conversely, if we mature as a society and address the 'roots', there is no telling how quickly things could turn around (for the better)

Edit: If you are curious of my thoughts concerning which 'path' we will take, I say the former rather than the latter (i.e. not address the core issues--but rather focus on the surface level manifestation rather than the volcano brewing underneath the surface). I am not at all sanguine we currently possess the requisite maturity, insight, empathy, ambition, ect. as a society necessary to 'turn things around'

Side: Sure hope so.
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If the US tries hard enough. Australia suffered a great blow with the Port Arthur shooting in Tasmania, which killed 35 and wounded 23. But then the government passed strong gun laws to limit these types of situations. Since then, there have been close to no mass shootings in Australia. If the US were to pass a similar legislation, mass shootings would become a lot scarcer. There's no point denying it. If people had less availability to powerful weapons, then these things would be a lot harder to do.

Side: Sure hope so.
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The total number of mass shootings? I'm not going to pretend I'm smart enough to come up with a real plan for that. I do think that our overall quantity of shootings comes from multiple contributing factors. I did, however, recently hear a depressing statistic on the radio while driving to work: 39% of parents, apparently, spend less than 30 minutes of time with their kids- not per day, but per week. (How big a grain of salt you take with that is your own call. According to google the study only covered 2,000 parents, and was covered by the Daily Mail- which, as I understand it, has a reputation for being a fucking rag.) You put that into the context of Dylan Klebold's mother saying she prayed her son would kill himself when she heard he was shooting up Columbine High- I can't even make up something so horrible- and it becomes clear, at least to me, that our problem of mass shootings is largely rooted in awful parenting. It's not the only reason, not by far- media sensationalism every time this happens makes for copycat killers, I would imagine, for one- but I know of very few parents of mass killers actually shouldering any blame. There is even video footage of some of them blaming their child's access to weapons, which I find particularly despicable.

Let me stop for a moment. My wife is seven months pregnant at the time of my writing this. If my child ever turns into the kind of monster that will pick up a weapon and use it indiscriminately against a crowd of people, most likely my reaction will be to get in my car, drive for hours until I'm miles away from outside human contact and probably out of gas, sit in my car, and cry. I will spend hours or days or weeks considering every possible moment I could have done something differently, could have changed the path my child was on. And then, most likely, I will kill myself. I hold no respect for the parents of mass killers.

Gee, aren't I just a ray of fucking sunshine tonight?

However: there is a clear way to reduce the number of people killed in these events. That is, very simply, give people the ability to shoot back. Remove Gun Free Zones on public property. This is NOT the same as arming teachers, I should add, this is giving teachers the option to arm themselves according to rules already established concerning conceal carry laws. This may even act as deterrence, making people think twice between the option of violence and help, if they know their potential victims aren't helpless.

And- you already know this, having had a long discussion on the subject way back when- I don't think that any kind of weapon restriction really is going to have any positive effect.

Side: Sure hope so.
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I put my money on the status quo. However, if gun control passes, then you cannot discount abortions becoming illegal. ;)

Side: No way.
jolie(9810) Clarified
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I'm a cynic ;)

Side: Sure hope so.
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You are, but it's ok. We need cynic's in the mix.

Side: No way.
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Hi Minty,

Not until the entire country accepts that guns need to be banned, and I don't think that is ever going to happen because there has just been total indoctrination in America into gun culture. They generate a lot of money through a variety of different mediums and this is what it all comes down to. In America, business (and the flow of money) is considered more important than anything else, and the disturbingly disproportionate number of logical aberrations in American culture usually have this at their root.

I am very familiar with upside down arguments, but even I was amazed after this latest bloodbath when I turned on BBC News 24 and read the NRA's official statement: "We need more guns to end gun violence".

I believe that any country where that statement is not immediately laughed out of discussion has chronic problems with its own sanity.

Side: No way.