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Debate Score:126
Arguments:43
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Does Capitalism Trap People In Patterns Of Low Self-Consciousness?

Capitalism exploits our lowest possible animal behaviours precisely because the biological mechanisms which drive them are so difficult to control. In order to sell you stuff, capitalists work first to build, and then appeal to your ego, your appetite, your greed and your lust.

Hence, I argue, capitalism works diligently against the natural evolution of consciousness.

Yes

Side Score: 71
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Side Score: 55

Man, you just stated that better than I could put it in words! I have the same thoughts about capitalism- but I could never put it in words as well as you just did. I AGREE! I am a NATIONAL SOCIALIST and this ideology can exist WITHOUT RACISM

Side: Yes
Quantumhead(733) Disputed
0 points

I am a NATIONAL SOCIALIST and this ideology can exist WITHOUT RACISM

Get out of my debate, FactMachine. Capitalism boomed under the Nazis. That's one of the reasons they were so popular in the first place.

Side: No
3 points

I am NOT Factmachine. I ams who I says I am. And Yes NS still had some free market tendencies- they hated communism

Side: Yes
Anomally(23) Disputed Banned
1 point

Fake equivalency. Saying capitalism worked under the Nazis destroys your anti capitalism theme regardless of an ad hominem attempt by attaching it to Nazism.

Side: Yes
4 points

I was about to argue with you, but then I realized who the US President is...

Yes

Yes it does

Side: Yes
3 points

[They} apeal to your ego, appetite, greed and lust .... then they try to rip you off.

Side: Yes
3 points

I agree with Alofri. I'm thinking specifically of car adverts for some reason. The way some of them try to make you feel like having their car is a status symbol, or proof of your success.

Side: Yes
outlaw60(15501) Disputed Banned
-2 points

I think people still are foggy on SOCIALISM and COMMUNISM. I think PURE CAPITALISM is easier to understand than the other two.

>>Socialism does NOT mean the government controls the factory (or what have you). It does NOT mean there is NO free enterprise. Businesses can be owned by individuals and YES advertising.

>>Communism is more extreme- supposedly the people as a whole body own EVERYTHING. But it was corrupt and a select few actually controlled EVERYTHING. You don’t even own your HOUSE in true communism.

Now someone will try to call me stupid yada yada, but in layman terms you can check it out. Many intelligent people are still foggy on the two.

Side: Yes
1 point

"In order to sell you stuff, capitalists work first to build, and then appeal to your ego, your appetite, your greed and your lust."

You mean advertisers, not capitalists. Also pervasive advertising is not a necessary consequence of capitalism, but rather a consequence of consumerism. Further, note that communist cultures also had pervasive advertising, though they were telling people what to think and do, not persuading people of what to buy.

By the way, I actually abhor the fact that advertising is driving people to buy masses of useless things (which causes environmental issues as well as wasting labor and resources). I personally, for example, would like TV advertising to return in many ways to the plainer style we see in newspapers.

Side: No
Quantumhead(733) Disputed
4 points

You mean advertisers, not capitalists.

I mean capitalists. Advertising is not a product of socialism, so your determination to find something to correct me about has been wasted. Capitalism is a system built upon the notion of selling you stuff and if you are not sold stuff then capitalism will collapse.

Also pervasive advertising is not a necessary consequence of capitalism

Selling you stuff is a necessary consequence of capitalism because it is the definition of capitalism.

I'm banning you because I find your efforts to distort the facts distasteful and, frankly, stupid.

Side: Yes
2 points

Actually, ignore that last part. I read your post again and, while I find it to be ignorant, it doesn't warrant a ban. I'm getting an itchy trigger finger because I'm sick of dealing with trolls. My apologies.

Side: Yes
WinstonC(1230) Disputed
1 point

"Advertising is not a product of socialism"

Why is it that socialist and communist countries have advertisements?

"your determination to find something to correct me about has been wasted"

You seem to believe that capitalism equates to consumerism, which is simply not the case, as already explained above. Every criticism you have levied at capitalism is actually a criticism of our flawed iteration of capitalism. Of course, when we talk about specific examples of communist or socialist societies, according to you their issues are never endemic to communism/socialism.

"Capitalism is a system built upon the notion of selling you stuff"

Actually, capitalism, at it's base, is about private property rights and voluntary exchange. Buying and selling is simply a part of voluntary exchange.

"Selling you stuff is a necessary consequence of capitalism" - (in response to "pervasive advertising is not a necessary consequence of capitalism")

So ubiquitous advertising is a necessary consequence of voluntary exchange? Please by all means explain.

Side: No
Hannibal(20) Disputed Banned
0 points

People have advertised in non capitalist societies for thousands of years. You are wrong yet again. Now apologize to everyone for being wrong you antisemitic, racist Nazi, Louis Farrakhan supporting wanker.

Side: No
Antrim(1297) Banned
1 point

Capitalism is an economic system in which businesses are developed, owned and controlled by private individuals as opposed to the state.

This invariably results in the most capable and enterprising entrepreneurs vying with each other for market share.

The upshot of this system of free market competition is that to survive all the competitors must be innovative and continually striving to advance and adjust their product to be line with the evolving market in which they're fighting for dominance.

More efficient and cost effective manufacturing techniques must be constantly researched and embraced when improvements are identified.

This in turn will mean, well nearly always mean, prices are kept low and the product(s)/produce will be continually improving.

Compare the stagnation of the automobile industry in the old communist East Germany with such marques as Mercedes, Audi, Volkswagen and B.M.W., of the democratic free market capitalist system of Western Germany.

It is noteworthy that those who criticize the FREE MARKET CAPITALIST SYSTEM seldom, if ever present a practical alternative.

If by presenting a well thought out and comprehensive replacement they highlighted the advantages and benefits of their economic and political MASTER PLAN over and above capitalism, then that's fully acceptable.

I feel however that it is a futile, and little more than an ego boosting exercise to simply snipe and nitpick at the status quo.

SHOW ME, DON'T TELL ME.

Side: No
Quantumhead(733) Disputed
3 points

Capitalism is an economic system in which businesses are developed, owned and controlled by private individuals as opposed to the state.

Already you are trying to distort language. In your very first sentence you are trying to convince us that businesses are necessary, and all we have a choice about is whether individuals or the state run them. In fact, businesses themselves are a product of capitalism.

This invariably results in the most capable and enterprising entrepreneurs vying with each other for market share.

The system is called capitalism (i.e. not "capabilism") because the people with the most capital compete for the greatest market share, and those who happen to be innovative and capable but with no capital are rejected by the system. The premise that you can compete with Coca Cola, or McDonalds for a "market share", without any capital, simply by being "capable" and "enterprising", is a radical (and purposeful) distortion of truth. In fact, I daresay you are probably quoting directly from 1980s Reaganist American Cold War propaganda.

The upshot of this system of free market competition is that to survive all the competitors must be innovative

But your original premise is demonstrably false to the point that it is absurd, so any conclusions you derive from it are going to be equally absurd. Capital is what is required to survive in capitalism, not "innovation" or "capability".

No honest, intelligent person would try to convince others that capability rather than capital is the success factor in capitalism and hence you are doing a fine job of convincing others that you are either dishonest, unintelligent, or both. The artificial upvotes used to prop up your post only give greater clues as to which it is.

Either way, I have already banned your MathFan account, and now I am banning this one for vote manipulation.

Side: Yes

I wouldn't say trap, but it does cater to basic needs like food, shelter, sex (prostitution, strip joints, for example) and wants, like cars, vacations, fashion, accessories, toys etc. To implement Capitalism effectively takes a higher thought process, brains, determination, goals etc. All in all, it is a good thing.

Side: No
Quantumhead(733) Disputed
4 points

To implement Capitalism effectively takes a higher thought process, brains, determination, goals etc.

Wtf?

Capitalism punishes those attributes by virtue of prioritising the acquisition of capital above all other considerations. Do you even have the faintest idea how many geniuses are lost to famine and poverty in places like Africa? Please let me answer that for you. No, you don't.

Is this why so many Americans are racists? Do you think you are smarter than Africans because your country has more money than they do?

Side: Yes
Hannibal(20) Disputed Banned
1 point

Is this why so many Americans are racists

Louis Farrakhan, who said he liked being called Hitler & that Hitler was a good man, supported Obama & was a left winger.

It's bewildering how many brown or black skinned Democrats say things that are Hitler level, all while liberals just act like they didn't say anything & then ask for their supporters' votes.

Side: No
0 points

Have you ever run a business???? I thought so.

So, everyone is now racist, too?? Too funny!

Side: No
-1 points

Capitalism works diligently against the natural evolution

Hello,

Man’s natural inclination is to eat. Most men understand you have to work to eat. That is how capitalism evolved.

excon

Side: No
Quantumhead(733) Disputed
4 points

Man’s natural inclination is to eat. Most men understand you have to work to eat. That is how capitalism evolved.

Of course you need to eat, but you don't need to be confronted with two hundred different brands of cereal which all compete equally for your attention. I like deciding when I am hungry for myself, thank you very much. I don't like being persuaded to feel hungry, or persuaded that your food is the only type of food that will make me feel good, or persuaded to keep eating until I get fat just so you can keep selling me a product.

You have written very little in response, and what you have written is spectacularly vague purposefully so you can sidestep the points I raised. There isn't really much more to say than that.

Side: Yes
-1 points

LMMFAO ! It is Amazing that Progressives oppose a system that provides them with consumable goods. Should Government be in charge of producing your Consumable Goods ? If so tell me what the said All Powerful Government knows about running a business if you will !

Now since Capitalism is so bad what might you have to say about this ?

The USA is the UK's second largest trading partner. It's correct that the US is the UK's second largest trading partner after the EU, if you combine together the value of imports and exports. America is also the UK's second largest export market.Nov 4, 2016

https://fullfact.org/economy/uk-trade-usa/

Since all you have is Psycho Babble i cannot wait on your insane response to the Dreaded Capitalism that fuels your economy ROTFFLMMFAO !

Side: No
Quantumhead(733) Disputed
3 points

It is Amazing that Progressives oppose a system that provides them with consumable goods.

Why? Providing me with consumable goods is not all that capitalism does. It also forces me into wage slavery, severely limits my opportunities in life and burdens me with debts I can never repay.

In fact, debt is an interesting point not yet covered. Are you aware that, because of capitalism, society has a debt which it can never afford to repay? Ever? Interest is applied by banks to every single dollar in circulation, which means that if every single dollar in circulation were to be recovered tomorrow, society would STILL owe money to capitalists.

That is a good system only in the eyes of madmen and fools.

Side: Yes
-2 points
Quantumhead(733) Disputed
3 points

By your admission, you yourself are a Capitalist--a 'Robin Hood Capitalist'

MathFan, I intended to ban you from this thread at the same time I opened it, but silly me thought perhaps you might have something to contribute to the discussion other than a bruised ego and a childishly spiteful character.

I have never made an "admission" that I am a capitalist for the simple reason that I am not a capitalist. Hence, either you are flatout lying (very likely) or you have been crawling through my posting history again to see if you can find any words you can take out of context and/or distort (even more likely).

I have to say that either way I am truly not interested in being attacked by you. I consider you to be an imbecile and a fine example of what failure is.

Now goodbye.

Side: Yes
NomsGod(8) Disputed
1 point

MathFan, I intended to ban you from this thread at the same time I opened it

That's because you are afraid to debate the better debaters on the site.

Side: No