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Debate Score:58
Arguments:27
Total Votes:68
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Does God Make Mistakes?

If God makes mistakes, that may contradict God's position as being an all knowing and generally a perfect being.

An example of what could be called a mistake is when God created Satan. At first, Satan was alright, until he grew jealous of God and his power, and started making trouble. God had enough of this and cast him down into hell (Which is not exactly fair.)

That is when God must of regretted the mistake he made of creating him in the first place.

That is identifiable as a mistake don't you think?

Yes

Side Score: 41
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No

Side Score: 17

"Which is it, is man one of God's blunders or is God one of man's?" - Friedrich Nietzsche

If God does exist, he has definitely made many mistakes. However, this would imply that he isn't either all powerful or not all knowing. Is this plausible? I think that it probably is, given the over-whelming validity of the evidential Problem of Evil.

Side: Yes
3 points

If God CAN'T make mistakes, He isn't omnipotent. If He CAN make mistakes, He is Flawed.

Side: Yes
3 points

The only really successful (potentially) argument for a God would be one that is just God-as-Creator. The God-as-Omniscient-Omnipotent-Guardian-Savior carries too much baggage.

Side: Yes
2 points

I think God made the mistake of creating humans. Lol If he existed I mean, but you get my point. NO perfect being could create humans without it being a mistake X)

Side: Yes
2 points

God is the most incompetent being known to man. This guy is supposedly all knowing, yet there are about 5 billion people that actively defy him each day. He is supposedly all powerful, yet he can't even create an eye properly. And he is supposedly all good, yet he is responsible for deaths only bettered by Mao Zedong. 25 million folks, that's a lot of bodies. Not to mention the 5 billion that are going to hell.

His biggest mistake is letting humanity give him omnipotence, omniscience, and omnibenevolence, as he clearly doesn't possess any of them.

Side: Yes
Th3ZViru5(149) Disputed
1 point

I assume when you say God is responsible for approximately 25 million people, you're talking about religious wars. Allow me to correct you - organized religion, and those who think they're doing His will (and I can assure you, they're not), is responsible for approximately 25 million deaths. God is not a religion.

Side: No
ChuckHades(3197) Disputed
1 point

Nope, this is from the Bible, directly commanded by God. The number would have to increase with non Biblical religious war. Here's the link: http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.co.uk/2010/ 04/drunk-with-blood-gods-killings-in-bible.html

Side: Yes
2 points

One of the ways that I came to the conclusion that God makes mistakes is realizing that God is not perfect but an expanding knowledge. Knowledge expands through the learning process. The learning process involves making mistakes.

I came to realize this because I could never understand how a perfect God could allow millions to starve or suffer for no apparent reason, how he could allow millions to be killed in the name of religion and why...why!...would he put that stupid tree in the garden of eden if everything was already perfect? K, first of all I don't even believe this story, it reads more like a comic book.I think it is more symbolic than anything but people love to be pompous and believe in things without examining them or even asking questions. However, if it WERE real, why, why, why would you tamper with a perfect world? Would you put a poisoned cake in front of your child and tell them not to touch it? That is just demented. So, if the comic book story is true, the only explanation for it is that God is not perfect and makes many mistakes.

Side: Yes
1 point

Absulutly telling humans of the apple doesnt everyone know if you tell a get not to touch something come back its broken

Side: Yes

You cant make a mistake if your plan is already in motion, all characters are in place variables in position. I mean how boring would it be without the best show in the universe: Humans lol

Side: No

always makes me laugh on the idea that the devil lives in hell. says it no where in the bible and on the contrary job tells us that he wanders the earth. (where god allows him to) and in fact jesus holds the keys to death and hades, not the devil.

but i dont think god makes mistakes, if you read the book of revelation, you see it is all part of gods plan. and if you believe in god, you believe his plan is perfect

Side: No
1 point

Just because people weren't born with a silver spoon and don't have the greatest life without evil doesn't mean God doesn't exist, or that He makes mistakes. In order for good to exist, evil must also exist - you'd think all these anti-God logicians would understand that perspective. God gives us all free-will to choose your own path - if you expect him to come to your aid at your every beck and call, you're sorely mistaken. God helps those who helps themselves.

Side: No

Question: "Does God make mistakes?"

Answer: Make no mistake about it, God makes no mistakes. "Great is the LORD, and greatly to be praised; and His greatness is unsearchable" (Psalms 145:3). The original language for "unsearchable" incorporates the thought of not being possible to fathom or find out or enumerate. It is obvious that this statement cannot be made for one who could make a mistake, for then, even if only one mistake is made, it could be said that he were one who made at least one mistake; that is, his greatness could be quantified or enumerated as having been one who made one mistake, even if only one, and even if he were the only one who made only one.

"Great is our Lord, and of great power: His understanding is infinite" (Psalms 147:5). Again, the understanding of anyone capable of mistakes would be finite, not infinite. "God is not a man, that He should lie; neither the son of man, that He should repent: hath He said, and shall He not do it? or hath He spoken, and shall He not make it good?" (Numbers 23:19). Here we see that God is not like man who makes mistakes and has afterthoughts leading to a change of mind, or that makes decrees that he later has to annul because he has not considered all the consequences, or that he lacks the infinite power to bring to pass that which he has said. Also, He is not like man whose mistaken and sinful morality begs retribution. "God is light, and in Him is no darkness at all" (1 John 1:5b). "The LORD is righteous in all His ways, and holy in all his works" (Psalms 145:17).

Perhaps someone would feign to find God having second thoughts about something He had done in the scripture: "And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the LORD that He had made man on the earth, and it grieved Him at His heart. And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them" (Genesis 6:5-7). First, note that He did not say He would destroy all men, for in the next verse, "But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD" (Genesis 6:8). And so it followed that Jesus came through Noah's son, Shem. No, God had not discovered a mistake in His works, not at all. He had a high and lofty purpose in permitting for a time the expression of the sin of mankind and angels.

To be sure, He made no mistake in creating Satan either, for, "What if God, willing to show his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?" (Romans 9:22-24). "And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ: To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God, According to the eternal purpose which He purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord" (Ephesians 3:9-11).

You see, God made no mistake, but had a purpose in all of this and the outcome is no surprise to Him, for He declares the end from the beginning, "Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure" (Isaiah 46:9-10).

A word about the word "repent" as used in scripture. This is important. When used of God, it incorporates according to original language the thought of grief, even compassionate grief, and consolation or comfort, and action taken thereupon. Yes, God felt suffering and grief on our behalf, but that is not a sign of weakness or error, or regret of mistake. Rather, it is a sign of strength, of love on behalf of another; yes, of Agape love. In a word, it portrays specific action taken by God to counteract our mistakes; that is, our sins. "But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound" (Romans 5:20b). When used of man, however, the word describes a change of heart, of thought and life's direction, based necessarily on the recognition of his own shortcomings, his sin, in the light of God's gracious call for his repentance for his own good.

Perhaps one may seem to think God has made a mistake in his or her own personal life's experiences. However, we are told, "... we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to His purpose" (Romans 8:28). In all this we must understand that the things of this life are expendable and are being spent for our eternal reward according to His grace who, "... is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of His glory with exceeding joy" (Jude 1:24). "For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory; While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal" (2 Corinthians 4:17-18). I am so glad my Lord and my God makes no mistakes with my life.

There is no fault in our God; there are no mistakes He has made. There is no fault, no mistakes made by His Son. In all of Satan's desperate effort to disclose one single fault in Jesus, he utterly failed while even his stooge Pontius Pilate declared, "Then said Pilate to the chief priests and to the people, I find no fault in this man" (Luke 23:4).

This has been a very short discourse which could go on forever, for we serve an infallible God whose greatness cannot be enumerated. "Many, O LORD my God, are thy wonderful works which thou hast done, and thy thoughts which are to us-ward: they cannot be reckoned up in order unto thee: if I would declare and speak of them, they are more than can be numbered" (Psalms 40:5). "Who can utter the mighty acts of the LORD? who can shew forth all His praise?" (Psalms 106:2). Here again, in this rhetorical question the scripture challenges us, just dares us to even try to quantify or qualify the greatness of our God. Were we able to point out even one single mistake or fault of His we could put a qualifier on His greatness and this scripture could be repealed, but no worry, it stands forever. "For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven" (Psalms 119:89).

Side: No
xyze(39) Disputed
1 point

Ah, God makes no mistakes.

So when a child is born in a remote part of the world, who God knows will surely die in horribly agony after just a few short years, that's not a mistake? God willed it to be? To think that God makes no mistakes you either have to be blind to all suffering in the world, or accept that God is an incredibly capricious, often malevolent being. To say that he makes no mistakes is to say that he wills everything to be so - everything is going according to his plan. Genocide, torture, rape, the lot of it - All his plan going perfectly fine. Oh, and if it wasn't, he could always fix it, he is omnipotent after all. But no, he sits back and he watches, arms folded. What a sick, twisted mother fucker. I don't understand how anyone could worship such a cruel being.

Side: Yes
-1 points

No. Everything that God does is good .

Side: No
Apollo(1608) Disputed
4 points

Wow. You are actually claiming this?

Meet the Problem of Evil:

If an all-powerful and perfectly good god exists, then evil does not.

There is evil in the world.

Therefore, an all-powerful and perfectly good god does not exist.

Try again.

Side: Yes
AdolEssence(60) Disputed
2 points

Don't come at him/her with that statement, if anybody should be trying again, its you.

God is everything that is GOOD...

If an all-powerful and perfectly good god exists, then evil HAS to exist.

God is to light(because God is light), as Evil is to darkness.

Darkness is the absence of light, to where evil is just the absence of god.

Evil simply exists because God exists. You can't have one without the other. But don't get the statement twisted, Light(God) came first, evil followed.

And God doesn't interfere with evil because the only true way to abolish evil from this world, is to abolish everything that is good. You can only aknowledge evil's presence because everything that is good exists.

Without evil, how could you know of God and/or appreciate him? That's why things are the way they are, a balance of light and dark. Dark is here for the mere appreciation of light.

God did not make any mistakes, things are the way they should be.

Try again Apollo...

Side: No
Sitara(11080) Disputed
1 point

You are wrong. God is very good. An evil God would not come to earth to die and the cross for our sins. Try again.

Side: No