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Does God exist?

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Side Score: 488
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No

Side Score: 639
18 points

God exists in the minds of some people, and the people interact with the world with this belief. They do things that they wouldn't have done, or they don't do things that they would have done, had they not believed in a God. So, in a sense, God does exist for both the people that believe in God, and the people that are effected by the people's belief in God.

Side: yes
aveskde(1935) Disputed
12 points

God exists in the minds of some people, and the people interact with the world with this belief. They do things that they wouldn't have done, or they don't do things that they would have done, had they not believed in a God. So, in a sense, God does exist for both the people that believe in God, and the people that are effected by the people's belief in God.

Acting on behalf of an idea doesn't make that idea exist, not even in the least.

To highlight the flaw in your reasoning, let's try:

The Tooth Fairy exists in the minds of some people, and the people interact with the world with this belief. They do things that they wouldn't have done, or they don't do things that they would have done, had they not believed in a Tooth Fairy. So, in a sense, The Tooth Fairy does exist for both the people that believe in The Tooth Fairy, and the people that are effected by the people's belief in The Tooth Fairy.

Side: No
Bradf0rd(1428) Disputed
14 points

The Tooth Fairy exists in the minds of some people, and the people interact with the world with this belief. They do things that they wouldn't have done, or they don't do things that they would have done, had they not believed in a Tooth Fairy. So, in a sense, The Tooth Fairy does exist for both the people that believe in The Tooth Fairy, and the people that are effected by the people's belief in The Tooth Fairy.

This makes sense to me.

My point is that even if God doesn't actually exist, and God is nothing more than a figment of people's imaginations, God still has power through people to do God-like things... such as not-exist but still change the universe as if he does. Even the tooth fairy does this, and Santa Clause. They might not actually exist, but the belief in them causes changes in reality that suggest they do exist. Teeth under pillows, cookies by a fireplace, letters to Santa.

I think that's enough to merit the existence of something, to see the effects of it's existence. Scientists do this all the time... "There's a distortion of the path of light from this cluster of stars, as if the light is bending around some sort of super-massive object that doesn't emit light itself... I believe it's a black hole because of the effects of light around this point in space."

Even if it's not "God" that is the cause for the change, and it's just belief itself... God is a type of belief because certain results come from the belief in God that don't come from believing in the tooth fairy.

Side: yes
13028699(46) Disputed
5 points

god does not exist. It is figment of someone (who wrote the fairy tale called the bible)'s imagination. And he told his fairy tale so graphically that people believed it.

Side: No
AntiUncleC(12) Disputed
3 points

One, that is not an argument, but an arrogant, blind opinion slagging off people who have had broken hearts healed by a loving God (and don't do the whole 'natural disasters, starving childre' thing its really boring.) Another point how can someone write a 'fairy tale' so historically accurate in that time, so similar to the big ban gin Genesis when they had no idea what the heck happened exept God. And, it was written by LOADS of people. Not just one.

Side: Yes
Chuckles24(18) Disputed
1 point

I think you're saying something more along the lines of "The belief in God exists".

Side: No
13028699(46) Disputed
0 points

There is no evidence that god exists. Seeing is believing. If he exists then why doesn't he come down to earth and show himself to us. If he exists then why does he allow millions of innocents to be killed. If he exists and has all these majestic superpowers, then why doesn't he do something about wars. Instead, he, if he exists at all, just sits around and treats the whole thing as an over elaborate joke. If he exists then why doesn't he do something about poverty and suffering. If he exists then he would care and something would be done. Nothing has been done. Therefore not only does he not exist but is also a mass murderer and an implacable nazi sadist. god does not exist. End of story.

Side: No
11 points

Theists: I believe God exists.

Atheists: I believe God doesn't exist.

Both rely on belief. Thing about theists is they look beyond what they can see. Beyond what's right in front of their eyes.

Side: yes
aveskde(1935) Disputed
8 points

Theists: I believe God exists.

Correct.

Atheists: I believe God doesn't exist.

Whoops. Wrong. More like "I don't believe in god."

Both rely on belief. Thing about theists is they look beyond what they can see. Beyond what's right in front of their eyes.

Theism relies on belief (without and in the face of contrary evidence). This isn't meritorious, it is gullibility and foolishness.

Also, using your "logic:"

Unicornians: I believe Unicorns exists.

Aunicornians: I believe Unicorns don't exist.

Both rely on belief. Thing about Unicornians is they look beyond what they can see. Beyond what's right in front of their eyes.

Side: No
Sitara(11088) Disputed
2 points

Atheism: The BELIEF that there are no god or gods. .

Side: Yes
Kinda(1649) Disputed
-1 points

Well if unicornians think unicorns exist.. they have more proof than aunicornians saying they don't.

Athiesm relies on belief. You BELIEVE there is no God. You have no proof.

Side: yes
Bradf0rd(1428) Disputed
8 points

Theists: I don't have a way to demonstrate, scientifically, that God exists. I believe that he does.

Atheists: I don't have a way to demonstrate, scientifically, that God exists. I don't believe that he does.

Both rely on scientific proof. Thing about theists is they look beyond what is scientifically testable. Beyond what's right in front of everything in existence.

Side: No
aveskde(1935) Disputed
8 points

Theists: I don't have a way to demonstrate, scientifically, that God exists. I believe that he does.

Atheists: I don't have a way to demonstrate, scientifically, that God exists. I don't believe that he does.

Both rely on scientific proof. Thing about theists is they look beyond what is scientifically testable. Beyond what's right in front of everything in existence.

You're doing it wrong, like Kinda.

This is about Burden of Proof. When you make a positive claim about reality, it is expected that you defend that claim using either logic (this is where mathematical proof comes in, but it only applies to logic) or through evidence. If you lack evidence the default position is "negative."

Think of it like "Innocent until proven guilty" only we're talking about claims and "unconvinced until evidence is provided."

The burden of proof exists because without it, any claim no matter how absurd would be on equal footing with its denial.

Side: No
4 points

Yes, that is right. Believe or not believe that is depend on the thinking and belief of everybody. I don't care anymore, but in mind mine, i have a belief

Side: yes
Bohemian(3861) Disputed
3 points

To say that something is a belief is not to say it is beyond factual corroboration. Someone can say that the Holocaust never happened, but the fact of the matter is that we have certifiable proof that it did indeed happen.

Side: No
Kinda(1649) Disputed
2 points

I never said it was.

I don't really understand your point.

Both theists and athiests believe (or KNOW) that God does or doesn't exist. Your point is valid against both.

Side: yes
Chuckles24(18) Disputed
1 point

Theists use faith to believe in what they cannot prove. Atheists believe that evidence is the logical basis for believing in something. It's not so much "what's right in front of our eyes" as much as any hint that God has ever existed. Example: Why would He damn people to hell for not believing in him if He hasn't given conclusive evidence that he exists?

Side: No
8 points

I have faith in God's existence.

Faith: " firm belief in something for which there is no proof"

I also believe that it is nearly impossible for us to prove God's existence until we are dead. It is then that we either find God exists, by going to Heaven, Hell, or Purgatory (or some other form of the afterlife), or that He doesn't exist, by losing every form of sense perception and consciousness and rotting in the ground. The only way I can fathom proving His existence is if He shows Himself to the world and proves that He is, in fact, God by performing miracles or something. But that's probably not going to happen. ;)

Side: yes
aveskde(1935) Disputed
6 points

Tell me, do you believe in the tooth fairy also? Why should the "god" concept get a special place in your mind that requires no evidence? Everything we believe is scrutinised on some level.

I think you know god doesn't exist but just want to believe he does for some reason.

Side: No
MKIced(2483) Disputed
6 points

Well I don't believe in the tooth fairy because I have somewhat strong proof that she doesn't exist. I know that my parents were the ones who put money under my pillow for each tooth (the most I ever got was $1 or $2, so I've always been jealous of the kid who gets $20! lol). However, for all I know, the tooth fairy could exist. Maybe not in this dimension, but maybe she exists in another dimension along with Santa, the Easter bunny, etc.

We can never know everything. And there are even some things we rely on blind faith for. Perhaps God was made up long long ago, but my belief in Him has brought me nothing but peace of mind, good hope for the future, and a figurative ear to tell my secrets to. If He isn't real, then that doesn't bother me. Nobody can change my opinion because my belief in God is part of who I am. If that makes me less of a person in some people's eyes, then so be it. Because those who judge me to be less of a person for that sole reason are, themselves, poor in character themselves. :)

Side: yes
RWSpacetime(10) Disputed
5 points

You can't compare God to the toothfairy. The toothfairy actually has a coherent ontology. It can actually be considered a concept. God does not have a coherent ontology. God is nothing but a list of secondary and relational attributes, which do not make up a conceptual entity. Before one can even speak of the existence or nonexistence of God (like the existence or nonexistence of the toothfairy, for example), one must first provide a coherent ontology for God.

Thus, both answers to these questions are wrong. You cannot discuss the existence of something that no coherent definition. In any other discussion, you would first have to define a concept and then discuss whether that concept exists or not. For some reason, people mistakenly assume that God has the necessary attributes to be considered a coherent concept, and thus can be discussed.

Side: No

Yes certainly. How can you deny the existence of God after seeing the many wonderful creations in this world. Where did water come from, where did trees come from? They do not just appear from no where. why is the sky blue? how can anyone answer that except we believe that there is a God who creates all these.

So by your logic, all these wonderfully complex things couldn't exist without an even more complex creator to create them.

The obvious problem this line of thinking presents is this: Trees, water and the sky are so complex, that some divine creator must have put them here, yet an invisible god in some unknown dimension who knows what 6 billion people are doing at any given time and can hear them all mumbling prayers in their heads....that requires no creator at all...got it.

Side: No
Soln0x(11) Disputed
2 points

So by your logic, without a god nothing can exist? So where did god come from? Another god? Is their an infinite amount of gods that create other gods? Or was god more like the big bang, except without a scientifical explanation?

Side: No
7 points

I believe that it is very likely that SOME higher power created us, but honestly i don't think any religion we have here on earth has the right answer and I don't think any religion ever will. If a higher power did create us it was probably an accident anyways.

Side: yes
6 points

The facts say there is a god. you don't have to be Cristian to believe in god other religions also have god/s like Muslim, Hinduism, Judaism in total a large proportion of people believe in god.

Side: yes
ricedaragh(2500) Disputed
9 points

Tell me one fact that proves there is a god. .

Side: No
Immaculate(10) Disputed
5 points

There is in fact a God in this world.

According to the Christian Bible that was created over a span of about 1500 years by countless people, the facts of the Bible complement each other. How can this be possible except for divine intervention?

Moreover, on earth, it is known that for something everything needs a creator. We do not just appear like that. We are given birth by our mother. Where then does the first man come from?

We have heard of the "Potter and the Clay" theory, where the Potter is the creator.

Side: yes
MKIced(2483) Disputed
4 points

Tell me one fact that proves there is no God. Poor choice of argument because neither problem has an answer. I cannot prove God's existence, but you cannot prove Him to be fake either.

Side: yes
cwmdulais(188) Disputed
8 points

the facts? what facts? please give links or proper evidence before making such statements.

Side: No
Spadedude(227) Disputed
2 points

Here is proof there has to be a god - or a totally independant being if you are really stingy.

Everything in this universe is winding down. Everything - everything is dependant on something else. We are dependant on Earth and the axel tilt, orbit, blah blah blah, so there has to be something (someONE acording to believers) in the centre of it all, dependant on nothing - totally independant, or the whole universe would collapse in on it's self. why hasn't it? Because there is a god.

Side: yes
uoknow(21) Disputed
2 points

if god were real he wouln't have made you so ugly .

Side: No
Leahn(21) Disputed
3 points

What baffles me most is how a website where people are coming because they claim to be willing to have rational discussions can have this kind of comment (a mere insult with no arguments added to it) upvoted 3 times. I am not sure if I am sadder for you (who thinks that this was a good response) or for the people that liked your response. Allow me to downvote you and undo some of the damage.

Side: yes
sop4life603(48) Disputed
1 point

That is a sad reply this just means the other guy you were debating with has won because you obviously cannot come up with a better answer than that.

Side: yes
Bohemian(3861) Disputed
2 points

You confuse facts with faiths. The faiths say there is a god. But surely not all of these religions can be right. Factual matters become more unified over time, faith matters become more divided over time.

Side: No
ricedaragh(2500) Disputed
1 point

You know out of the four religions named, three follow the same God.

Side: No
6 points

There is in fact a God in this world.

According to the Christian Bible that was created over a span of about 1500 years by countless people, the facts of the Bible complement each other. How can this be possible except for divine intervention?

Moreover, on earth, it is known that for something everything needs a creator. We do not just appear like that. We are given birth by our mother. Where then does the first man come from?

We have heard of the "Potter and the Clay" theory, where the Potter is the creator.

Side: yes
TodayWeFeast(20) Disputed
7 points

oh excellent, you've proven that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about

Side: No
cwmdulais(188) Disputed
6 points

"the facts of the Bible complement each other"

you only need to simply type into google "bible contradictions" to be assulted with a array of results. if god is real, in any shape or form, i belive he dosnt give a rats ass, or he is completely incompetent

http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Church_of_God_the_Wholly_Incompetent

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html

http://www.project-reason.org/gallery3/image/102/

Side: No
Leahn(21) Disputed
2 points

if god is real, in any shape or form, i belive he dosnt give a rats ass, or he is completely incompetent

And your point is? Competency is a criteria for existence?

Side: yes
6 points

Yes certainly. How can you deny the existence of God after seeing the many wonderful creations in this world. Where did water come from, where did trees come from? They do not just appear from no where. why is the sky blue? how can anyone answer that except we believe that there is a God who creates all these.

Side: yes
aveskde(1935) Disputed
6 points

Yes certainly. How can you deny the existence of God after seeing the many wonderful creations in this world. Where did water come from, where did trees come from? They do not just appear from no where. why is the sky blue? how can anyone answer that except we believe that there is a God who creates all these.

Nature made these things, not god. Besides, you're just begging for an infinite recursion problem where god requires a creator, and his creator needs a creator and so on.

Side: No
Spadedude(227) Disputed
5 points

"Nature made these things, not god" - INCORRECT!!!!!!!!!!

What I hate is, in a science lesson when children ask things like "Miss, who created water?" and the answer is "It was a chemical reaction which occurred during the big bang." The big bang did not happen. God created the world. Saying that a collision created life, emotion, death, has the probability of a metal factory exploding and creating a BMW with leather seats and an extra big boot. Look at the complexity of the human body. The talent, emotion, power to think, look at the nervous system, the skeleton. Open the curtains and look out side. If you see a rural setting, don't tell me God didn't create that, if you see an urban landscape, don't tell me the big bang created people with the ability to design and create buildings and the materials to make them. and the factories to make the materials, and the materials to make the factories etc...

Just face the facts, Nature did NOT make these things, GOD DID!

Side: yes
Leahn(21) Disputed
4 points

Nature made these things, not god

Can you back up this claim? Or are you making bare assertions again?

you're just begging for an infinite recursion problem where god requires a creator

It only becomes an infinite recursion if you can prove that Causality applies to God. Can you?

I think it is about time you started showing some proof for your claims, you know?

Side: yes
Troy8(2431) Disputed
4 points

Nature made itself? See, you are begging for an infinite recursion problem too! Nature created nature. What created nature? NATURE! To be honest, a created b makes more sense then B CREATED B!

Side: yes
6 points

Natural Selection - What does it select and how it decides? What is the Intelligence that allowed to come to a conclusion?

If we see few selections:

1. Week are Protected - Ex. Mammals overtook Dinosaurs

2. Wicked are destroyed - Ex. Evil civilizations always got destroyed

3. Planned Execution - Wonderful success rate (absolute no wast)

4. Beauty beyond description - Needs great skill set to achieve it!

If this is done by Intelligence, How do we describe it? God!!!!

Amazing you got it :)

Side: yes

The existence of God cannot be proved or disproved. The Bible says that we must accept by faith the fact that God exists: “And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to Him must believe that He exists and that He rewards those who earnestly seek Him” (Hebrews 11:6). If God so desired, He could simply appear and prove to the whole world that He exists. But if He did that, there would be no need for faith. “Then Jesus told him, ‘Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed’” (John 20:29).

That does not mean, however, that there is no evidence of God’s existence. The Bible states, “The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of His hands. Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they display knowledge. There is no speech or language where their voice is not heard. Their voice goes out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world” (Psalm 19:1-4). Looking at the stars, understanding the vastness of the universe, observing the wonders of nature, seeing the beauty of a sunset—all of these things point to a Creator God. If these were not enough, there is also evidence of God in our own hearts. Ecclesiastes 3:11 tells us, “…He has also set eternity in the hearts of men.” Deep within us is the recognition that there is something beyond this life and someone beyond this world. We can deny this knowledge intellectually, but God’s presence in us and all around us is still obvious. Despite this, the Bible warns that some will still deny God’s existence: “The fool says in his heart, ‘There is no God’” (Psalm 14:1). Since the vast majority of people throughout history, in all cultures, in all civilizations, and on all continents believe in the existence of some kind of God, there must be something (or someone) causing this belief.

In addition to the biblical arguments for God’s existence, there are logical arguments. First, there is the ontological argument. The most popular form of the ontological argument uses the concept of God to prove God’s existence. It begins with the definition of God as “a being than which no greater can be conceived.” It is then argued that to exist is greater than to not exist, and therefore the greatest conceivable being must exist. If God did not exist, then God would not be the greatest conceivable being, and that would contradict the very definition of God.

A second argument is the teleological argument. The teleological argument states that since the universe displays such an amazing design, there must have been a divine Designer. For example, if the Earth were significantly closer or farther away from the sun, it would not be capable of supporting much of the life it currently does. If the elements in our atmosphere were even a few percentage points different, nearly every living thing on earth would die. The odds of a single protein molecule forming by chance is 1 in 10243 (that is a 1 followed by 243 zeros). A single cell is comprised of millions of protein molecules.

A third logical argument for God’s existence is called the cosmological argument. Every effect must have a cause. This universe and everything in it is an effect. There must be something that caused everything to come into existence. Ultimately, there must be something “un-caused” in order to cause everything else to come into existence. That “un-caused” cause is God.

A fourth argument is known as the moral argument. Every culture throughout history has had some form of law. Everyone has a sense of right and wrong. Murder, lying, stealing, and immorality are almost universally rejected. Where did this sense of right and wrong come from if not from a holy God?

Despite all of this, the Bible tells us that people will reject the clear and undeniable knowledge of God and believe a lie instead. Romans 1:25 declares, “They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.” The Bible also proclaims that people are without excuse for not believing in God: “For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—His eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse” (Romans 1:20).

People claim to reject God’s existence because it is “not scientific” or “because there is no proof.” The true reason is that once they admit that there is a God, they also must realize that they are responsible to God and in need of forgiveness from Him (Romans 3:23, 6:23). If God exists, then we are accountable to Him for our actions. If God does not exist, then we can do whatever we want without having to worry about God judging us. That is why many of those who deny the existence of God cling strongly to the theory of naturalistic evolution—it gives them an alternative to believing in a Creator God. God exists and ultimately everyone knows that He exists. The very fact that some attempt so aggressively to disprove His existence is in fact an argument for His existence.

How do we know God exists? To all Christians, we know God exists because we speak to Him every day. We do not audibly hear Him speaking to us, but we sense His presence, we feel His leading, we know His love, we desire His grace. Things have occurred in our lives that have no possible explanation other than God. God has so miraculously saved us and changed our lives that we cannot help but acknowledge and praise His existence. None of these arguments can persuade anyone who refuses to acknowledge what is already obvious. In the end, God’s existence must be accepted by faith (Hebrews 11:6). Faith in God is not a blind leap into the dark; it is safe step into a well-lit room where the vast majority of people are already standing

Side: yes
7 points

Interesting. I have some questions though.

According to the Bible, can one have faith in God but not man, and be right in the eyes of God?

Assuming you have faith in God, you believe that Jesus was the son of God and that he died for our sins... and you love all people, wicked or not, as family. The only difference is you do not seek instruction or help from other people because they can or maybe corrupt in their understandings.

Side: yes
Argento(512) Disputed
6 points

The Bible says that we must accept by faith the fact that God exists [...]

The Bible says many things. It baffles me why people will not accept the simplest of its instructions, such us not eating any fish that has no fins or scales (lobster, mussels, crab, etc.) and yet you are perfectly happy accepting what it says about the grandest of all things, the Creator.

If God so desired, He could simply appear and prove to the whole world that He exists. But if He did that, there would be no need for faith.

I am assuming that you see the Creator through the eyes of the Biblical God. If that is the case, then I will tell you this: if that Biblical God is real, and he shows up, then he has a lot to answer for. Because if that God is our parent, then he is guilty of some serious parental neglect.

Deep within us is the recognition that there is something beyond this life and someone beyond this world. We can deny this knowledge intellectually, but God’s presence in us and all around us is still obvious.

That "something" that you are referring to is consciousness. And you can experience it anytime you want. All you have to do is observe yourself while you are thinking. In an instant you will dis-associate with your brain and you will experience stillness. A very blissful experience indeed. In fact I will agree with you that it is God-ly. But in no way is it proof for the existence of a biblical God.

Since the vast majority of people throughout history, in all cultures, in all civilizations, and on all continents believe in the existence of some kind of God, there must be something (or someone) causing this belief.

Millions of children across the world believe in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy. Some adults still do. Does this prove that the cause for this widespread belief must be that these entities exist?

It begins with the definition of God as “a being than which no greater can be conceived.” It is then argued that to exist is greater than to not exist, and therefore the greatest conceivable being must exist.

Let us see the sum of your argument for what it is:

God is great

Existing is great

Therefore God exists.

Surely you can see the fallacies in that argument.

If God did not exist, then God would not be the greatest conceivable being, and that would contradict the very definition of God.

If God is a conceivable being, then it doesn't matter if He exists or not.

Superman is also a great conceivable being. The fact that he does not exist does not alter his status as a great conceivable being.

if the Earth were significantly closer or farther away from the sun, it would not be capable of supporting much of the life it currently does. If the elements in our atmosphere were even a few percentage points different, nearly every living thing on earth would die.

That's not entirely true. We have now discovered that other planets and moons may indeed have life on them, albeit not the kind that you see in the movies. For example we have now discovered large quantities of methane on Mars, which could come either from geological events (mud volcanoes) or biological processes (bacteria or micro-organisms) living under the surface. Europa (a moon made of ice) has also been found to have an ocean 10 times the size of ours underneath the icy surface. On top of that, we have discovered (on Earth) micro-organisms that live in ice! They produce an anti-freeze enzyme that allows them to liquidate the ice around them and thus creating microscopic tunnels. We have found very similar tunnels on Europa.

So, although they may not have humans on them, or complex living organisms, other planets may well harbor life on them. This is of grand importance, because it would prove that life is as much part of the universe as anything else.

Every effect must have a cause. This universe and everything in it is an effect. There must be something that caused everything to come into existence. Ultimately, there must be something “un-caused” in order to cause everything else to come into existence. That “un-caused” cause is God.

Since nothing can be created out of thin air, wouldn't it be more logical to assume that maybe the universe existed forever (albeit evolving and moving all the time)?

A fourth argument is known as the moral argument. Every culture throughout history has had some form of law. Everyone has a sense of right and wrong. Murder, lying, stealing, and immorality are almost universally rejected. Where did this sense of right and wrong come from if not from a holy God?

It does not take a genius to figure out that it is best if we don't kill each other. If we have figured out how to do open heart surgery then surely it's not that hard to figure out a few rules of conduct when living with each other.

Besides, everything that you described has evolved and has at some point been classified in the opposite category (wright/wrong). Nothing is set in stone. Which means that there is no absolute wright or wrong.

Is murder universally rejected? Go tell that to the supporters of the death penalty.

The true reason is that once they admit that there is a God, they also must realize that they are responsible to God and in need of forgiveness from Him

The only ones I need forgiveness from are my fellow human beings.

If God exists, then we are accountable to Him for our actions.

If God exists the He is also accountable to Us for a myriad of actions that He took or did not take.

If God does not exist, then we can do whatever we want without having to worry about God judging us.

So if someone proved to you that God does not exist, you would go out there and do whatever you want? Are you telling me the only reason you treat your fellow human beings with dignity and respect is because you think God exists?

Can you please explain why don't all atheists become lying, murdering, cheating, stealing scums?

That is why many of those who deny the existence of God cling strongly to the theory of naturalistic evolution—it gives them an alternative to believing in a Creator God.

Believing in evolution is not an alternative to believing in a creator. Is it not possible that the Creator made the space in which evolution took place?

God exists and ultimately everyone knows that He exists.

No, not everyone. That is your opinion.

The very fact that some attempt so aggressively to disprove His existence is in fact an argument for His existence.

LOL

To all Christians, we know God exists because we speak to Him every day. We do not audibly hear Him speaking to us, but we sense His presence, we feel His leading, we know His love, we desire His grace.

What you are hearing is your consciousness. When you have identified with your brain so much, the voice of your consciousness sounds so alien that you are convinced it must come from someone other than you.

You are the presence. You are the leading force. You are the love. You are the grace.

If you silence your sense of self for a moment you will allow your consciousness to emerge.

None of these arguments can persuade anyone who refuses to acknowledge what is already obvious

I respectfully submit that sentence for your consideration.

Side: No
Leahn(21) Disputed
6 points

why people will not accept the simplest of its instructions, such us not eating any fish that has no fins or scales (lobster, mussels, crab, etc.)

Have you read of seafood and shellfish allergy? Guess what kind of seafood causes those? Lobsters? Check. Mussels? Check. Crabs? Check. Now did you know that you can develop shellfish allergy during your adulthood? That's a very interesting point, because if God didn't warn the Israeli people against those foods, people would claim that an all-knowing God should know better.

Shellfish is the most common form of allergy in adults and can cause death through anaphylactic shock. We started eating them for the same reason that people no longer dig holes in their yards to crap on. Technology allows us to get away with it. However, Israeli people didn't have the same luck. For them, shellfish allergy meant death.

he has a lot to answer for. Because if that God is our parent, then he is guilty of some serious parental neglect.

So said the rebel teenager that demands his father to pay the fines for his crimes.

That "something" that you are referring to is consciousness.

If it was mere consciousness, there would be a general agreement regarding this, since everyone is conscious, but since not everyone is religious, it is clear that it is something besides consciousness.

Does this prove that the cause for this widespread belief must be that these entities exist?

You are correct here. He was attempting a proof by popularity fallacy. However, the psicologysts agree that 'Spirituality' is a human characteristic, although not always expressed by the means of a religion.

Surely you can see the fallacies in that argument.

Surely you know you are making a strawman, right? An argument that have existed for almost a thousand years and is constantly being revised and criticized is not a stupid fallacy, or it would have been dropped long ago, instead of resisting for a millenia.

Superman is also a great conceivable being. The fact that he does not exist does not alter his status as a great conceivable being.

The ontological argument does not rely on being 'great' but on being 'the greatest.' Again, I think you should study it a little more before jumping to conclusions.

For example we have now discovered large quantities of methane on Mars, which could come either from geological events (mud volcanoes) or biological processes (bacteria or micro-organisms) living under the surface.

And because it could be caused by biological processes, then it was? What's preventing Mars from being a completely lifeless planet and all the methane have been created through mud volcanoes?

we have discovered (on Earth) micro-organisms that live in ice! They produce an anti-freeze enzyme that allows them to liquidate the ice around them and thus creating microscopic tunnels.

And guess what? If life was either a little closer or a little farther away from the Sun, they wouldn't exist either! Either because ice wouldn't be able to be formed (too close), or because it would refreeze too quickly (too far).

We have found very similar tunnels on Europa.

Citation needed. I never heard of this, but I am pretty sure it is speculation based on long distance photography.

although they may not have humans on them, or complex living organisms, other planets may well harbor life on them.

Yes, they may. We haven't found any yet, though. Only possibilities and good possibilities.

Since nothing can be created out of thin air, wouldn't it be more logical to assume that maybe the universe existed forever

Actually, stuff can more or less be created out of thin air (from massless energy, actually) in a process called Pair Production, and the Universe cannot have existed forever because of the entropy. There is no know process by which entropy can be reduced, and an Universe that has existed since forever would have infinite entropy and would have long decaied into heat death.

It does not take a genius to figure out that it is best if we don't kill each other

Why? I mean, if I kill you, I get to have all that you have, for free. Why is it best if I don't kill you? I have to share food, water, women, and other resources with you.

If we have figured out how to do open heart surgery then surely it's not that hard to figure out a few rules of conduct when living with each other.

That would have been a good argument if morality was a product of modern civilization. It isn't. It is as old as mankind, kind of one of the first things we "figured out".

Is murder universally rejected? Go tell that to the supporters of the death penalty.

Murder is defined in the dictionary as killing a person without a justified reason. Death Penalty is, in the mind of its supporters, justified by the crimes of the person.

If God exists the He is also accountable to Us for a myriad of actions that He took or did not take.

Is your father accountable to you for not giving you a bicycle when you were ten years old?

Can you please explain why don't all atheists become lying, murdering, cheating, stealing scums?

Peer pressure.

Is it not possible that the Creator made the space in which evolution took place?

Not the Christian God, but it is a valid possibility for other gods.

Side: yes
aveskde(1935) Disputed
1 point

That does not mean, however, that there is no evidence of God’s existence.

If something is taken on faith then by definition there is no evidence.

Deep within us is the recognition that there is something beyond this life and someone beyond this world. We can deny this knowledge intellectually, but God’s presence in us and all around us is still obvious. Despite this, the Bible warns that some will still deny God’s existence: “The fool says in his heart, ‘There is no God’” (Psalm 14:1). Since the vast majority of people throughout history, in all cultures, in all civilizations, and on all continents believe in the existence of some kind of God, there must be something (or someone) causing this belief.

It is also deep within us to discriminate against each other based on skin colour, sexual preferences, gender, nationality, the way we look, our friends, ect. A strong intuitive hunch doesn't validate something's existence, or merit.

What causes this belief is eons of poor reasoning skills, primitive minds, hucksters who parade lies around expecting gullible people like yourself to buy into it.

In addition to the biblical arguments for God’s existence, there are logical arguments. First, there is the ontological argument. The most popular form of the ontological argument uses the concept of God to prove God’s existence. It begins with the definition of God as “a being than which no greater can be conceived.” It is then argued that to exist is greater than to not exist, and therefore the greatest conceivable being must exist. If God did not exist, then God would not be the greatest conceivable being, and that would contradict the very definition of God.

Biblical arguments have no basis in fact. It is a mythology, and cannot be evidence.

There are no logical arguments that prove god's existence, either, because every single one suffers from a non sequitur or faulty premise. Your ontological argument falls into the category of non sequitur, because you cannot define something into existence, neither can you conceptualise it into existence. Your argument breaks apart from its line of reasoning by defining a concept, god, then creating a subjective premise (or rational premise, depending on context) which belongs to a different type of argument, and ends with a contradiction (god being contradicted) in which it is then assumed that reality must be discarded instead of the definition of god. The major premise doesn't belong with the minor premise and therefore the conclusion doesn't follow.

I'll illustrate your error with an example:

I define human tissue to have strength greater than that which can be conceived.

I add the premise that to be strongest is greater than to be strong.

Therefore human tissue must be strongest, because if it wasn't, it would go against its definition.

A second argument is the teleological argument. The teleological argument states that since the universe displays such an amazing design, there must have been a divine Designer. For example, if the Earth were significantly closer or farther away from the sun, it would not be capable of supporting much of the life it currently does. If the elements in our atmosphere were even a few percentage points different, nearly every living thing on earth would die. The odds of a single protein molecule forming by chance is 1 in 10243 (that is a 1 followed by 243 zeros). A single cell is comprised of millions of protein molecules.

This has a wrong premise and tautology.

"A made thing has a maker"

"A designed thing has a designer"

"A built thing has a builder"

You use a premise to justify a conclusion, and befuddle this with faulty premises concerning probability.

Evolution for example designs things without being a designer.

A third logical argument for God’s existence is called the cosmological argument. Every effect must have a cause. This universe and everything in it is an effect. There must be something that caused everything to come into existence. Ultimately, there must be something “un-caused” in order to cause everything else to come into existence. That “un-caused” cause is God.

Self-contradiction. If everything (that's what a universe is, everything, there is no outside to the universe, because that becomes part of it) has a cause because it is an effect, then who or what caused god? Who caused the thing that caused god? And so on.

A fourth argument is known as the moral argument. Every culture throughout history has had some form of law. Everyone has a sense of right and wrong. Murder, lying, stealing, and immorality are almost universally rejected. Where did this sense of right and wrong come from if not from a holy God?

Morality is subjective with no basis in reality, so how can it be used to justify an objective thing? You may as well use blueness, or hot, or sweet as arguments for god.

Despite all of this, the Bible tells us that people will reject the clear and undeniable knowledge of God and believe a lie instead. Romans 1:25 declares, “They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.” The Bible also proclaims that people are without excuse for not believing in God: “For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—His eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse” (Romans 1:20).

Quoting mythology doesn't make an authoritative or convincing argument, it makes you look like a fool.

People claim to reject God’s existence because it is “not scientific” or “because there is no proof.” The true reason is that once they admit that there is a God, they also must realize that they are responsible to God and in need of forgiveness from Him (Romans 3:23, 6:23). If God exists, then we are accountable to Him for our actions.

We are responsible to ourselves. God is irrelevant. You may as well invoke pixies as being our moral authority.

If God does not exist, then we can do whatever we want without having to worry about God judging us.

Ah, but what about:

Every culture throughout history has had some form of law. Everyone has a sense of right and wrong. Murder, lying, stealing, and immorality are almost universally rejected.

That is why many of those who deny the existence of God cling strongly to the theory of naturalistic evolution—it gives them an alternative to believing in a Creator God. God exists and ultimately everyone knows that He exists. The very fact that some attempt so aggressively to disprove His existence is in fact an argument for His existence.

You have it backwards. People believe in creationism as a means to reject science and our natural origins. Your denial of science is made most clear in these types of rants of yours, as is your deep down knowledge that there is no god, only a void that you dedicate your life to filling with sophistry that a child can see through.

How do we know God exists? To all Christians, we know God exists because we speak to Him every day. We do not audibly hear Him speaking to us, but we sense His presence, we feel His leading, we know His love, we desire His grace.

Imaginary friends are cool for children, sad for adults.

In the end, God’s existence must be accepted by faith (Hebrews 11:6). Faith in God is not a blind leap into the dark; it is safe step into a well-lit room where the vast majority of people are already standing

Self-contradiction.

Side: No
Leahn(21) Disputed
3 points

If something is taken on faith then by definition there is no evidence.

Is that one more of your bare assertion fallacies? Faith and evidence are not dichotomies. Taking something on faith means you are not looking for evidence, not that they do not exist.

It is also deep within us to discriminate against each other based on skin colour, sexual preferences, gender, nationality, the way we look, our friends, ect

Actually, it isn't. Young children do not discriminate, and only start to do so by mimicking the behavior of adults around them.

What causes this belief is eons of poor reasoning skills, primitive minds, hucksters who parade lies around expecting gullible people like yourself to buy into it.

Interesting. Presentism found so early in the discussion, and couple with straightfoward offenses. Bold internet guy is bold. I didn't expect the discussion to drop down to the level of name calling so quickly, except maybe by the atheist militia. They always seem to believe that name calling is a good way to argue. I didn't downvote your other arguments, but I will downvote this one solely due to the name calling so maybe you still stop this in the foreseeable future. I don't think so, due to the fact that you seem to become less and less civil as you are becoming bolder in your arguments, but one can hope. One can always hope.

The interesting aspect is that you don't mind citing those people of primitive minds and poor reasoning skills when they agree with you, like when you cited Hume in another thread.

Biblical arguments have no basis in fact. It is a mythology, and cannot be evidence.

I disagree with you calling it a mythology. A good deal of the Bible has been proven by archeology and is firmly based in facts. Surely, there is little to no evidence of the miraculous claims (like the Flood, the Ten Plagues, etc), but there certainly happened an Exodus from Egypt, and most names of kings and civilizations listed on the Bible have been confirmed by archeological findings, and there certainly existed a Jewish Priest called Jesus around the 1st century. It is true, however, that the Bible alone cannot be used to prove God's existence since it would be circular reasoning.

Your revision of the ontological argument is laughable. Your Logic teacher, if you ever had one, would be shamed by it. You are attempting to apply the rules of a categorical syllogism in a sequence of premises that are not a categorical syllogism, but inductive reasoning. Learn the difference and review the argument. Just because premises exist do not make the argument a syllogism.

And the argument is also not a non sequitur. A non sequitur is something that does not follow from the premises. It does not matter if the premises are sound or correct or not. It only matters if the conclusion follows from them, and it does. It relies on an axiom called "S5" to reach such conclusion.

Your 'illustration' of the argument is laughable as well. Please study the argument before attempting to address it. People smarter than you and me coined it, and people smarter than you and me attempted to counter it. You shame them and yourself by making an strawman of the argument with your reasoning. A little modesty on your side to understand that you're just not as good as they are wouldn't hurt.

This has a wrong premise and tautology.

You stated such, but did not state which ones were they. As far as I know, it seems to be that you are throwing around random terms, hoping to sound smart and convincing.

You use a premise to justify a conclusion,

As far as philosophy and rationality is concerned, this is how critical thinking should work, so he is correct, and you are shaming yourself again.

Evolution for example designs things without being a designer.

You're assuming evolution to be true. And evolution doesn't design anything. If evolution "designed" something as you say it does, it would be the designer. Although I can see your point (evolution is a process through which something that appears designed could have arised would being designed), you are still assuming evolution to be true.

then who or what caused god? Who caused the thing that caused god?

I think I already address this argument of yours twice, so I will refrain from doing it again here. You are incorrect.

Morality is subjective with no basis in reality, so how can it be used to justify an objective thing?

Morality cannot be subjective if certain aspects of it are shown to be universal. And you didn't really address his points, did you know it?

Quoting mythology doesn't make an authoritative or convincing argument, it makes you look like a fool.

He wasn't making an argument. Quoting a book, "mythology" or not, is perfectly fine if it shows an opinion you want to share. You are becoming increasingly aggressive and derisive, and that only serves to show the quality of reasoning that you can do. The remaining of your arguments are also merely derisions and bare assertions. I won't bother addressing them.

Supporting Evidence: Axiom S5 (en.wikipedia.org)
Side: yes
Lazarus(8) Disputed
1 point

"If something is taken on faith then by definition there is no evidence."

Correct. But nonetheless, whatever claim faith is taken on is possible, no matter how childish it sounds.

Side: Yes
5 points

Well, being a christian, yeah. He's been experienced by loads of people, and I have loads of other proof, but I don't have timne to write it all down!

Side: yes
cwmdulais(188) Disputed
17 points

i climbed everest blindfolded, with a hippo on my back in 30 seconds, and i also blew up the moon, i got looooooaaaaddddddssss of proof, but i don't have the time to write it down.

Side: No
2 points

i climbed everest blindfolded, with a hippo on my back in 30 seconds, and i also blew up the moon, i got looooooaaaaddddddssss of proof, but i don't have the time to write it down.

I believe you, because your autobiography says it is an infallible work and therefore means you MUST have done these things! It's completely logical!

Side: No
5 points

Well, I'm Christian too. And I say there is no proof. Not even the Bible is proof because the Bible was written by man and "inspired" by God. Can we even know if this was true?

But for the record, I agree that God exists.

Side: yes
4 points

i agree. there are plenty of reasons why God exists. Being a baptist i believe in the bible. but for those who dont believe where's your evidence that he's not real?

Side: yes
cwmdulais(188) Disputed
7 points

and wheres your evedince hes real? eveloution is a proven concept, christianity is not.

"Being a baptist i believe in the bible"

ive said it before ill say it again, it is completely impossible for the bible to be true, there are just a unlimited amount of contradictions.

Side: No
TodayWeFeast(20) Disputed
6 points

This is a pretty biased viewpoint, what do i mean by that?

Look, in the olden days, the Greeks used to say: "oh God's up there on that giant mountain that's covered by clouds". Then when someone got to the top and didn't find a golden palace they said "oh just kidding"

Now Christianity started by saying "look God's just way up in the sky, in a different realm," When scientists began discovering that the world isn't the center of the universe the church didn't like that at all.

Finally, we reach space and discover that there is an infinite amount of space all around us, and God doesn't seem to be anywhere there, but people who believe in God just modify their position once again: "He's in a different dimension"

Let's look at the argument history now side by side

Non-Believers Believers

Olden Days: Doesn't Exist On the mountain

A.D Doesn't Exist In Space!

Space-Age Doesn't Exist IN ANOTHER DIMENSION!!

Clearly its only logical that the side that doesn't continue to modify its argument when proved wrong is the right one.

And frankly, asking us to prove he doesn't exist is ridiculous. People prove he doesn't exist for millennia, and each time that they do so, the believers change their conditions for God and say "ok NOW prove he doesn't exist"

when will you be satisfied?

And for "Christ's sake" You can't use the BIBLE to cite your argument. It'd be like someone using a book written millennia ago about some magical being (with no evidence except their own experiences) to cite an argument PROVING that such a magical being exists.... OH WAIT

Side: No
Chuckles24(18) Disputed
1 point

There is no evidence as to why something doesn't exist. Why don't you prove there is no invisible flying spaghetti monster? It is up to the supporter of something preposterous to come up with the evidence, not the one who doesn't believe it. If you were trying to get an invention patented, would you come up with evidence as to why your product is great, or would you do the lazy and stupid thing and force the patent officer to provide reasons as to why your invention SHOULDN'T be patented? One of the reasons he would give is that you haven't told him why your product is great.

Side: No
Lazarus(8) Disputed
1 point

What you do NOT understand is the fact that if you claim something to be true, the burden of proof is on YOU!

For instance:

If I say that King Kong was roaming around my house at midnight, I need to provide proportional evidence to support that claim (Photography, etc.) because that happening is most unlikely.

Side: No
5 points

Why doesn't anybody on Create Debate believe in God?! There is the pocketwatch theory, Creation, millions of people who have a relationship with him who aren't hallucinating! How else was the world made?

Side: yes
aveskde(1935) Disputed
4 points

Why doesn't anybody on Create Debate believe in God?! There is the pocketwatch theory, Creation, millions of people who have a relationship with him who aren't hallucinating! How else was the world made?

You mean watchmaker proof? That's been debunked for over a century. Things that are complex, and appear designed, do not in fact need a designer if they are alive. Creationism is a myth. And millions of people are deluded. Simple really.

Side: No
6 points

"Creationism is a myth. And millions of people are deluded. Simple really."

-Aveskde

Exactly. People see that billions of others believe and think, "If they all think He exists, then He must exist. They can't all be wrong." They are now a part of the masses who 'must' have some proof that God exists. The delusion that is God still exists simply because:

a) The way of proving wrong claims that have no basis in fact (dismissing them) does not work with God, because theists will argue that "God is all powerful. You can't know He is there unless He wants you to." despite that this is not an argument at all.

b)So many people believe and so few are able to make an educated decision that religion will not fade away any time in the near future. If everyone was well educated, we would be atheists. Unfortunately, we are not.

Side: No
Leahn(21) Disputed
3 points

That's been debunked for over a century.

Oh, really? That's novel. Who debunked it and didn't tell me?

Things that are complex, and appear designed, do not in fact need a designer if they are alive.

Really? Tell me of one.

Creationism is a myth. And millions of people are deluded. Simple really.

I think the same thing about evolution!

Side: yes
Chuckles24(18) Disputed
1 point

There is an entire study on how the world was made, and the information is available to you if you take the time to look. Also, define "hallucinating". Hallucinating is certainly not when someone doesn't have enough evidence to believe in something crazy.

Side: No
4 points

just accept God exists

the only reason people dont accept it is that they want to be a rebel

Side: yes
aveskde(1935) Disputed
6 points

just accept God exists

the only reason people dont accept it is that they want to be a rebel

You can't be serious.

Side: No
Axmeister(4317) Disputed
4 points

are you the king of atheism you've disagreed with nearly everyone on this side of the debate

Side: yes
Chuckles24(18) Disputed
2 points

That is the laziest argument I have ever heard. If that is what you truly think the mindset of an Atheist is, then you are an idiot of the highest regard.

Side: No
0 points

By my faith God exist. By hearing you will gain faith through the Gospel of Christ.

Believing God exist is just like describing a rainbow to the blind man. Supposed I am blind and you are a good friend of mind telling me how beautiful rainbow is. with a glowing 7 colors; red, orange, yellow, green, violet, indigou and blue.

Surely what you say is truth because you saw it. but i believed what you saw. No one does can proved GOD exist, unless you will experience HIM. For i have feel and experience HIS power changing my life.

Side: yes
1 point

What if that rainbow punched you in the face because you couldn't see it? Would you think that rainbow was deserving of praise? Just curious.

Side: yes
4 points

Does a thought exist if you have one? Even if God is only a thought, or a wish that we want to be true to give us a sense of importance or that there is life after death, that is a thought and if a thought exists does that mean that there is a God?

As far as God making haven and earth...well...no one I know has ever seen heaven or come back to tell me that there is a heaven.

Sharon

~The Baby Boomer Queen~

http://www.BabyBoomerAdvisorClub.com

Side: Maybe
shuvit(23) Disputed
7 points

A thought exists as a mental content. It is the early stage in the process of forming concepts. If a thought or concept of an individual can be validated and verified by reason and logic to what it represents in reality, then it is given cognitive legitimacy. If a thought or concept is unable to fulfill these requirements, then it can only remain a notion, illegitimate concept or contradiction.

Side: No
4 points

Our world is taking God out of everything and you guys expect him to make a miracle to make everything better?! If you atheists would take the time to read the bible for ONE day then you will find plenty of proof that God exists and proof that it was not written by some crack head. You atheists don't believe in God because you would rather take the easy route and do everything to please yourselves. Just give him a chance. One day!

Side: yes
4 points

yes,,of course God exist!! He made all of us!!!The sky, land, animals, plants and YOU!! Believe him!!!

Side: yes

I know that God is real that is all I am going to say Jesus said in the Bible that people in the world will hate you and persecute you for my name sake. I am done with this debate. Moving along.

Side: yes
aveskde(1935) Disputed
2 points

I know that God is real that is all I am going to say Jesus said in the Bible that people in the world will hate you and persecute you for my name sake. I am done with this debate. Moving along.

You're not persecuted, but entering a debate with piousness and then delivering sophistry and an "I'm right kthxbai" will get you hate.

Side: No
3 points

Agreed. He is pretty much the example of all that is wrong in religion. However, being stupid doesn't make his statement incorrect. Christians were, and are, in fact, persecuted in many places around the world. Doesn't really add anything to the question at hand, though.

Side: yes
3 points

Why are we here? What is our Purpose? What is the meaning of life? These questions have been asked for as long as human history. The answer can be found through the answers of a series of other questions. The first question being: why are we seeking to know?

Every creature on the earth is content. Every creature, but humans. We are endlessly searching and inquiring into everything we can and cannont see. The human race as a whole and every individual is uncontent, because man is searching for somehting that is not of this world.

Athiests, Buddhists, Catholics, Hindus, Jews, Muslims, and Protestants all have one thing in common and that is that they are all searching for something greater than themselves. Whether through science or religion, humans seem to have part of themselves that yearn for something more than what seems.

What is this component that makes up the human and sets them aside from the rest of creation? It is not the mind or the ability to reason. Though these things help us to better grasp and come to the conclusion of what we are searching for, they are not what make us desire for it. A man of little common sense and the wit of a five year old can have this eagerness to know just as great as or greater than anyone. So too can the great minds of today just as easily ignore it.

This thing is not instinctual either. The anilmal is ruled by instinct and can little decide what it does. The human is not, by any means, controlled by instict. Man has a will of his own.

This wills, this abiltiy to decide is not the component, but is a direct consequence of it. There have been many names given to it, but the most common today is the word soul. We are separated from all of creation because of our soul. We posses something in us not of this world. The soul cannont be calculated into an elemental composition because it is not material. If not material than what? The soul is spiritual.

If we are on earth and have an earthly body where did we receive this soul? This question implies that there is somebeing greater than this world. A being that gave us a soul. Our soul knows this and is eager to be with this Creator. Who is this Creator?

This Creator must be greater than us. The pot is never greater than the potter. So we come to a god and man. Creator and creature.

If there is one god why can’t there be many? This is not possible because of the structure, rules, and order of this world. There is only one way of things (which we would not have if there was not one God) in this world. Everything conforms to one certain thinking pattern. This conformity can be seen in the animal kingdom, laws of physics, and elemental matter. All these things have a constant way they are supposed to work.

Of course one will always ask “Those things are all nice, but they are all, of this world. What about that soul?” Fortuanately, for all monotheistic believers, this order of things can also be found on a spiritual level. Easiest example being the moral standard of things.

If a man is to say to another that he should not be doing something there has to be a standard moral system they are both complying to. Where did this standard come from? Why does every human civilization seem to know this basic standard of morals?

If a certain person or group of persons made up the standard and just thought it ought to be that way than it would hardly matter to comply with the standard. The thing is that it is a standard and isn’t made by man. If not one man or a group of men made it, than whom? The answer of course being that it was made by one God.

Side: yes
aveskde(1935) Disputed
2 points

This wills, this abiltiy to decide is not the component, but is a direct consequence of it. There have been many names given to it, but the most common today is the word soul. We are separated from all of creation because of our soul. We posses something in us not of this world. The soul cannont be calculated into an elemental composition because it is not material. If not material than what? The soul is spiritual.

If we are on earth and have an earthly body where did we receive this soul? This question implies that there is somebeing greater than this world. A being that gave us a soul. Our soul knows this and is eager to be with this Creator. Who is this Creator?

This Creator must be greater than us. The pot is never greater than the potter. So we come to a god and man. Creator and creature.

You're just asserting without evidence. If we have a soul, provide pictures, instrument readings, etc. Don't just assert that something exists and continue onwards.

If a man is to say to another that he should not be doing something there has to be a standard moral system they are both complying to. Where did this standard come from? Why does every human civilization seem to know this basic standard of morals?

Evolution shapes morality, that's also why it isn't so universal.

Side: No
Zander(50) Disputed
3 points

I don't think you understand. You are just asserting that there is no soul. You have absolutely no evidence that there isn't. You are asking Me to do Your homework and prove to You that there is not a such thing as a soul.

Through a line of reasoning i came to the conclusion that there is a soul and that there is a God.

You tell me i need evidence such as pictures, instrument reading, etc., but this is not the only way you can have evidence that something exists. How many pictures have you seen of the wind? Yet through basic reasoning we can conclude that there is a such thing as wind. We know it exist because of the cause and effect it has on this world.

Evolution does not shape morality. If this was so than for each part of the earth that is extremely different than the other we would have extremely different moral systems. We do not have extremely different moral system. Everywhere on earth and all time periods the same basic moral system has prevailed. It has always been wrong to kill, cheat, lie, steal, etc. This can be seen from the most ancient civilizations.

And if there ever was a civilization (such as the mians) that did not follow the basic morals, there was always another group of people that either corrected them or took controll over them.

Side: yes
3 points

People who do not think there is a God are asking people who do to prove that there is, But I say that the evidence that God exist is overwhelming. Prove to me that God DOESN'T exist.

Side: yes
aveskde(1935) Disputed
3 points

People who do not think there is a God are asking people who do to prove that there is, But I say that the evidence that God exist is overwhelming. Prove to me that God DOESN'T exist.

We're not here to do your homework. I say there's overwhelming evidence that gravity is a conspiracy, prove me wrong, but debate doesn't work this way.

Side: No
shuvit(23) Disputed
2 points

It's not the role of any disbeliever to disprove your claim that a god exists. That's absurd.

Are you familiar with the burden of proof? If so, where is your "overwhelming evidence" of god's existence?

So far, much has been asserted - nothing proved.

Side: No
3 points

I think that people who are praying at the moment might as well pray to a carten of milk. Think about it, saying your prayers at night or asking god for something will not cause that thing to happen. example: you wish to win the lottery. God is not a force that will make this happen. Religion seems to make worshipping God helpful and a "prayer being answered" was the will of god, whereas if you ask the carten of milk to give you the winning ticket would be put down to good luck.

Side: yes
Spadedude(227) Disputed
3 points

I think that people who are praying at the moment might as well pray to a carten of milk

I think that you have no right to say that to people. I just showed this argument to my mates and we are offended beyond belief.

Think about it, saying your prayers at night or asking god for something will not cause that thing to happen. example: you wish to win the lottery. God is not a force that will make this happen

No one said that would happen. If God exists (which he does) then everything has a perpose. For example: Someone died in hospital and a woman held his toes and cried out "GOD HEAL THIS MAN" - prayer. The heart beat detector thingy started bleeping again. Not only proof of God, but proof that prayer works.

Side: No
dandebating1(34) Disputed
4 points

Ok, ok. The milk carten was a bad example. I thought of it because I was drinking a glass right there and then. How do we explain things that happen in other religions and the different Gods that are out there. I am familiar with three different religious people at the moment as I myself go to church, but the confusing thing is which God is real or which God grants miracles. I'm sorry if I offended people out there with my previous comment, but I've researched into this a lot and it shows that the likelihood of a God is slim.

If time travel were possible or I actually met a God like figure, I would happily swallow humble pie.

Side: yes
Zander(50) Disputed
1 point

This argument against the stupidity of prayer is taken from an argument that was saying people who pray to God think their prayers are being answered. They 1) have their prayer granted. 2) have their prayer denied. Or 3) Need to keep praying. Now if i were to switch my prayer from God to the milk carten all three things can still happen. The difference being that it isn't accredited to God. It is accredited to the milk carten and in consequence coincidence.

The problem is that this can be applied to anything. I normally use UPS to deliver my mail. UPS Either Delivers my mail, cannot deliver my mail, or I need to continue to wait.

If i were to switch my mailing method to a milk carten, Either my mail cannot be delivered, I need to wait longer, or the milk carten by some random chance gets my mail delivered.

So the argument using the milk carten does not provide an argument against the existance of God, but simply shows that people are able to give credit where it isn't due.

Side: No
aveskde(1935) Disputed
1 point

The problem is that this can be applied to anything. I normally use UPS to deliver my mail. UPS Either Delivers my mail, cannot deliver my mail, or I need to continue to wait.

Indeed it can. If the object you replace god with has a statistically significantly higher rate of success than the milk carton then it works. If the success rate of the milk carton and whatever you are comparing with is the same, then it's a placebo.

This is the point too, praying to a milk carton or god has the same success rate, implying that prayer does not work.

If i were to switch my mailing method to a milk carten, Either my mail cannot be delivered, I need to wait longer, or the milk carten by some random chance gets my mail delivered.

In your example the success rate of the milk carton delivering mail is zero, the UPS method is much greater than zero. Therefore using UPS isn't a placebo.

Side: No
3 points

Of course you have to have a creator behind a creation. You cant have nothing create something. Doesnt make any sence. I mean everything we know beggins with something out of our control, such as our birth for christ sake.

Side: yes
3 points

In my personal view, yes. But I don't believe in God as in a "merciful" deity, who we all must try to please otherwise we'll be damned to hell. I believe that's about as real as Zeus.

I believe that God exist's as the universe - that God is "the circle of life", what causes birth and death, and nature, and that we are all, literally, part of God.

Side: yes
3 points

Yes of course God exists. Some people say that if god exists, how come he allows bad things. we have brought this on ourselves. if we could all live in harmony, none of this would ever happen. I f pandora, and i am not dissing women, hadn't been so curious(ruled by her womanly instincts) we would be perfect and nothing could go wrong. also eve. if we didnt eat the one apple, we would not have pain and suffering

Side: yes
2 points

I don't think that human logic can prove whether or not there is a God. For example: If there is a God, and Christianity (the most believed religion in which there is a God) is true, than all of the doubters will go to Hell. If there isn't a God, then everyone dies and there is nothing better than this. People who believed there was a God will be faced with the same circumstances as the people who were right. Why would anyone take this chance in believing there is no God?!

Side: yes
Zander(50) Disputed
2 points

The christian religion or at least the catholic religion which was the first and only christian religion founded by Jesus, does not believe that doubters will necesarily go to hell.

Catholics believe the God is an understanding God and will know each individuals given circumstance. This means that if the individual didn't have the proper environment to fully understand and come to reason on God's Existence, but was still a good person, and followed his teachings(this can be done without knowing what they are just as a child mimicks it's parents without know the actual word or it's meaning.) that person has a very good chance of going to heaven.

This doesn't now mean however that a person that openly disputes God just because he does not want to live that kind of lifestyle will have the same out come.

Side: No
Troy8(2431) Disputed
2 points

What are you talking about???!!!! Catholicism was not founded by Jesus! Do your research before you say something like that! Catholicism was not founded until about 107 AD! The very first Christians were simply Jews who studied the prophecy of the Old Testament and when Jesus died, they became Christians; there were no denominations, these Christians were just continuing the Jewish faith. And I am also not so sure about your claims on the Catholic faith. God chooses people to believe in him, and if you are not chosen, although you have free will, it is still predetermined that you will go to Hell.

Side: yes
2 points

god isn't in the mind... but god is the metaphysical thing inside us the strength is god and the weakness is human.. if we questioned where we get our mental strength.. we don't get the answer and we're not creating it because it's there,, we just gotta name it... so name it god, allah, jesus, whatever... but the fact that it's there is inevitable.

Side: yes
2 points

god is in the heart of a man. it depends on us whether we believe in god or not.. it is only our faith, nothing else.

Side: yes
2 points

Conclusion - yes he does. He is the mighty and powerful Lord who created everything. There are, however, real scientific evidences that lead up to the fact that God is real. You may argue that he is fake, if he is real why did he put evil sides in this world, in the Bible, God allowed demons to roam around and he made HELL for them. Needless to say, demons are scared of him.

Side: yes
2 points

I believe that what we believe IS the most important thing.

God is metaphysical, beyond the human realm of thought and imagination, by definition.

For the cynics, this means that whether He exists or not, evidence proving either will be extremely improbable.

"What if you're wrong?" is a common retort, focusing on time wasted believing in a personal God, and consequences. It is a valid point. But, from the other side, WHAT IF I'M RIGHT? What if there IS a heaven, and there IS a hell?

Personally, I hope and believe that my life on earth consists of more than an organic accident, and that when our organs start to fail, we have more to look forward to other than decomposition and the fading out of history.

Belief in this has more to offer us.

And what if it is nothing, a shared, extremely large LIE?

Then it is beneficial; belief in God, true belief, is better than looking for the "purpose in life"

As I stated, "evidence" this and "logic" that will NOT work in this debate as well as compared to a debate about the growth rate of potatoes.

The question, the one that will affect your life, is this, and you ARE free to make any choice you want:

What is it that you truly want?

Side: yes
2 points

Here is an interesting analogy:

Imagine you are Mario, running to the right.

But just TRY and imagine (from Mario's perspective) that if he took a step TOWARDS the viewer, things would be different? He would be outside of the plane, and the inhabitants of the original dimension would have extreme difficulty understanding what the heck just happened.

On the same thought, who are we to judge and make rationalizations about an omnipresent, omniscient God? We have difficult imagining the fourth dimension in mathematical terms, plain numbers and such. I say that all our arguments need a serious looking at; we say something contradicts and is inconsistent. Add another perspective, from a more sophisticated point of view. The argument crumbles, yet it isn't understood, from the smaller perspective.

Side: yes
2 points

The question concerning the existence of God depends on the five most consequential questions in life.

1. Where did we come from?

2. Who are we?

3. Why are we here?

4. How should we live?

5. Where are we going?

One thing that must be agreed upon is that there are intellectual, emotional and volitional obstacles to both sides of the debate. A person must be willing to make a thorough investigation of the evidence with an open mind.

Many suggest that only science delivers truth and deals in matters of fact while religion stays in the realm of faith. No matter your position on the existence of God, it’s virtually impossible to know everything about a particular topic, and it’s certainly impossible when that topic is an infinite God. So there has to come a point where you realize you have enough information to come to a conclusion, even if unanswered questions remain.

Because we are limited human beings with limited knowledge, faith DOES have a role in this debate. The less evidence you have for your position, the more faith you need to believe it (and vice versa). Faith covers a gap in knowledge.

However, it must be acknowledged that evidence alone cannot convince some people. We humans have a tendency to try to adjust the truth to fit our desires rather than adjusting our desires to fit the truth.

With this said, IS THE TRUTH REALLY KNOWABLE? I say it is. Contrary beliefs are possible, but contrary truths are not. We can believe everything is true, but we cannot make everything true.

God does exist based on the following: the beginning (yes it had a beginning) of the universe; the design of the universe; the design of life; and moral law.

Examine the evidence.

Side: yes
2 points

The existence of man-kind and other living beings can not be defined with science.

Therefore we must adopt the other perspective that there is an omnipotent, omniscient being that created us.

Also, science is proving that there are events in history and in the present which can not be explained unless there is an all-powerful force.

Side: yes
1 point

well for all those who said god dosent exist because we dont have an evidence, i have a question, do any one of u have a brain, i dont think so, there is no evidence that any of you have a brain so arguing with you is useless.

Side: Yes
1 point

Things like this are far too complicated for the human mind to understand.

Ok, lets say God exists. If he does, how was he created? Is it really possbile for something as powerful as God to have existed for all these years? Would someone as forgiving as God actually send someone to "Hell", a place of torture?

Now lets say God doesn't exist: Evolution. A theory of how man was created. But remember, that it is, and only, a theory, so you can't really say that it created man (on Earth that is). The Universe is said to be expanding. Therefore, the Universe is too big for us to imagine. There are probably plenty of planets out there like Earth, maybe evolution created them.

We cannot rely on the knowledge we have now, but maybe someday we will have enough to finally answer the big question.

Side: Maybe
1 point

YES HE'S SO AWSOME HE HELP U THROUGHT ALL OF THE HARD TIMES

Side: yes

Are most of you freken blind god does exist reasons why:

1:nothing appears by itself what you thoughht universe apperared by itself and said poof hello im the universe.

2:(This is a true story) one day i prayed that my grandmother would feel better to go on the trip with my family and guess what she felt so much better in fact she told she felt so much better than before she got sick and if you dont belive me I honestly dont care!

3.finall reason look i know alot of you are saying if there is a god howcome he doesnt show himself or how come he doesnt do something about everything thats going on because first off god chooses a time line and chooses the day when you die for a special reason, 2nd he doesnt all the time save people because its probrably because you havent prayed or he chose the day you die.

Thats why you should believe in god then one day when the time comes if youve been good and you believe jesus christ as your lord and savior and you are sorry for your sins you will go to heaven where anything is possible seriously and if you dont belive me still I honestly dont care.

Side: yes
aveskde(1935) Disputed
0 points

Are most of you freken blind god does exist reasons why:

1:nothing appears by itself what you thoughht universe apperared by itself and said poof hello im the universe.

2:(This is a true story) one day i prayed that my grandmother would feel better to go on the trip with my family and guess what she felt so much better in fact she told she felt so much better than before she got sick and if you dont belive me I honestly dont care!

3.finall reason look i know alot of you are saying if there is a god howcome he doesnt show himself or how come he doesnt do something about everything thats going on because first off god chooses a time line and chooses the day when you die for a special reason, 2nd he doesnt all the time save people because its probrably because you havent prayed or he chose the day you die.

Thats why you should believe in god then one day when the time comes if youve been good and you believe jesus christ as your lord and savior and you are sorry for your sins you will go to heaven where anything is possible seriously and if you dont belive me still I honestly dont care.

I thought to myself, "Is this guy for real? A troll maybe? Or just not very smart."

Then I read:

"My names Grayson im 13 and I hate SONIC!!!!!!!!!!! and I like mario!! Im such a Mario geek YEAH!!!!!!!!!!"

Thirteen years old, that explains everything. You should stick to topics about Mario and Sonic. Philosophy requires a more adult mind. This isn't an insult, but a fact, as a child's mind is not very effective at handling the abstract.

Side: No
zombee(1024) Disputed
-1 points

Are most of you freken blind god does exist reasons why:

1:nothing appears by itself what you thoughht universe apperared by itself and said poof hello im the universe.

Just because you don't know how something got here doesn't mean God put it here by magic.

2:(This is a true story) one day i prayed that my grandmother would feel better to go on the trip with my family and guess what she felt so much better in fact she told she felt so much better than before she got sick and if you dont belive me I honestly dont care!

(This is a true story, too.) One day I prayed that it would stop raining so my grade school field trip to the zoo wouldn't be canceled, and guess what? It didn't. In fact, it kept raining all day, and the next day, and the day after that, and I didn't get to go to the zoo and if you don't believe me I honestly don't care.

The occurrence of mundane events is proof of nothing because they may as well have been about to happen anyway. When people get sick, usually they get better. Thank your grandmother's immune system.

3.finall reason look i know alot of you are saying if there is a god howcome he doesnt show himself or how come he doesnt do something about everything thats going on because first off god chooses a time line and chooses the day when you die for a special reason, 2nd he doesnt all the time save people because its probrably because you havent prayed or he chose the day you die.

You didn't even answer the question you raised, just asserted with no evidence that God has chosen a day for all of us to die. What does that have to do with why he doesn't show himself to humans?

if you dont belive me still I honestly dont care.

That's good, because I don't think you changed anyone's mind.

Side: No
1 point

likely hood of all this being in perfect balance is so low, its illogical to think it is all by chance

Side: yes
1 point

I absolutely believe in God. But I suppose I aught to provide a little more stronger reasoning than simply "the book says He exists" or "people have always believed in a divine being of some sort." I believe because I find that it makes sense with me. Many atheists have stated that religion is something that "common" people used to explain things they did not understand. I firmly believe that religion has a place in any society and that religion and science can be reconciled by a little open mindedness on both parts. There are far too many people on both sides of the argument that believe that the other side is absolutely wrong and must be redeemed. But I think that people have a right to believe in what they will, and not be condemned by any mortal for it.

Also we should accept that someone else believes something differently, and have a inviolable right to do so.

Side: yes

god does exist and the proof is the world how could something so beautiful and complex be created by chance

Side: yes
1 point

In my oppion god does exist ,other Y's how would the world and whole human race been created . All around the world most peolpe worship a god or many gods. There is evidence that tells you that god created the world such in Quraans and bibles.

Side: yes
1 point

Guys, how do you explain people speaking in tounges??? What is teh world comign too if there is no trust for those who have 'spiritual gifts' or 'visions'. We believe stuff we have no proof for. We take chemotherapy treeatment when there is almost no chance it will help, only put us in pain? Surely we should trust spiritual gifts and visions if we trust chemotherapy.

Side: Yes
1 point

Different religion have different thought of god. For me, I believe in my god. It not must have any scientific proof that whether it is real anot but My god proof to me his real. Peace out

Side: Yes
1 point

Yes, he does and if you've have missed the point- you are not god.Humble yourself down take correction and stop playing god and then you can see him.

Side: Yes
Cuaroc(8826) Disputed
1 point

Got anyone proof that god exists? How is the person you are talking about playing god?

Side: No
1 point

Anyone Who Does not Believe in GOD and Jesus Christ is a Piece of Crap that needs to have a bullet put though them and is going Burn in Hell.

Side: Yes
1 point

"1. It is possible that a maximally great being (MGB) exists.

2. If it is possible that a MGB exists, then a MGB exists in some possible world.

3. If a MGB exists in some possible world, then it exists in every possible world.

4. If a MGB exists in every possible world, then it exists in the actual world.

5. If a MGB exists in the actual world, then a MGB exists.

6. Therefore a MGB exists.

Side: Yes
Cuaroc(8826) Disputed
1 point

What's with people from DDO bringing back long dead debates.

Side: No
1 point

If I were to stumble upon a watch in the middle of a desert i would not assume that it had come together all by itself I would KNOW that someone had created it. This is what the earth is a beautiful piece of perfect creation infinitely more complex than the watch and far more isolated, and yet why do we assume that that came about by chance?

Side: Yes
1 point

I have free will which proves i cannot think nor be created by chance.

Side: Yes
1 point

this is one of the critical argument that people have been doing since birth. life coach there are so much controversies.

Supporting Evidence: life coach (www.yb12coach.com)
Side: Yes

To the believer, He does, and nothing can take that belief away.

Side: Yes
1 point

God exist there is tons proof of that he does. God is real. God is the one god forever and ever.

Side: Yes
Cartman(18192) Disputed
1 point

What proof?

Side: No
1 point

God exist there is tons proof of that he does. God is real. God is the one god forever and ever.

Side: Yes
TrumpsHair(312) Clarified
1 point

What proof are you referring to specifically?

Side: Yes
0 points

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Side: yes
0 points

I was lost in the Darkest parts of my own wicked ways, spiraling down a path of destruction leading me away from His Almighty ways, and all the while im going down ONLY ONE, He could save me. No matter how far i looked on this lowly planet, i never once found a soul who could manage, to show me the love that i truly needed, because on this planet aint nothing but hate and contempt have been breeded. the lowly snake slithering as he goes through the towns of man looking for lowly lowly souls, to feed on so that it could plant it's evil seeds, and so that throughout the generations nothing but evil and hate we could recieve, but those where the ways of the past, my brothers and sisters. the devil had a hold of us and he managed through our parents, down through the generations His ways have been lost, and because of the us, the devil has turned and tossed, We can All be saved, all we need is Thanksgiving, to the One who Above, for All of His Givings. The devils trying to stop me right now as i speak, but Faithful to the Lord and willit He, that i may be meek. Because it is He not i that gives you this message but it is The One that we All should seek. i know that it is hard to find Rest, as we all go through this test some call a game, every single last one of us, probably, training to gain and retain our fame. But That is not what this life is about, i have a Strong feeling that we are All getting our Water from the wrong wrong spout. because thats all the devil has for us is a little bit, of pleasure, then comes the pain. steady feeding our bodies what i see now Is Insane. because ya'll hafto see that we are all carnally minded, and This is the reason The LORD, us he has blinded, binding, ourselves to our own flesh, so that eventually we would All fail this Test. but know that The Lord, He loves us, and wishes nothing but the best, and all He wants is for us to Love Him all the while through this Test. some wonder why we see nadoes and quakes, He needs ya'll to know that its Ya'lls souls that He is trying to shake. and bake if you will, so the devil may not have his fill, to letchya'll know that there is NONE like that ALMIGHTY AND ALL POWERFULL ONE. i say full because Hes filled with Love, like None that we have seen on this lowly earth, but now that i have SEEN, my Eyes have been UnBlinded, and now it is He, He who signs this, letter so maybe that some of Ya'll could listen, and Maybe get the Message that He is trying to dish, out of His spout, so that ya'll might be fed, with all of His Love, His Water, And His Bread. Don't for a second think any of Ya'll are living, All of ya'll are dead and for the devil are you "living" as i sit here and do this all of the "dome" just know that it is Not me and that this is His tomb. He is singing through me in these words and this song, so that maybe one day we All can be free all the day long, and ya'll can say its cheesy if ya'll want, but just know the devil in you he does flaunt x) i had to stop and show ya'll how i felt about that one, cuz its the truth, and right now i have a Strong feeling He is swinging harder than that brother Babe Ruth, or ballin harder than micheal jordan, and in this song he Is Playing His Accordian. Ya'll just need to know that He is our Guardian, and right now im flying Higher than any single air jordan, because my love i gave to Him more than any of Ya'll so i guess i can say more than them. But dont getit twizted like boi's if ya'll know, that me and moreover Him, have a lot to show. we are all brothers and sisters, but i should call us the missers, because we all fail to see the smaller things in this world, without even thinking twice, what truly brings a man alot of happiness or to see the pain that ALOT of us have in us. i know that we are all hurting on the inside, and for ya'll who say we dont, Boi, you know that is a lie, because only with Him and not that evil leech from down south, can we truly fly. higher than the highest of trees or the tallest of mountains, But in Him we Have to trust, so that We may Drink From The One and Only True fountain, only because of Him can i do this for days, and its Because i gave Him my love, thanksgiving, and praise. so now that i have seen what it is truly to be Man, Men of God, all these hater out there who bout to say something aint nuthing more than sod. sorry if it dont make sense, just know that me and Him the latter first, We are just trying to give His children, ya'll some mother lovin cents. forgive me if i pause for no longer am i a vulgar man life is just a beach, and Now, He is playing in the sand, hopefully in the minds of the young, the daughters and sons, i have my holster, and now the Lord is my Gun, Shining Brighter, than a million suns, times two, because His love is True, actually make that twenty twenty, because He is aplenty, in me in you and All, i just hope that ya'll can hear His call, so that maybe that ya'll may not fall, into the Pit, but right now i can say the devil is probably having a fit, of anxiety cuz he is losing his "children" just know that we are God's and with me He has been pilfering, in my mind day and night, as i have been in my room trying to stay out of sight, of ya'll because all it seems like to me, that nothing to ya'll it would please, more, than to see one of your own fellow brother get shot and fall. when i look around me i dont see any real love, this evil surrounds me, but Now i DO NOT CARE, because the Lord, THE LORD, HE has found me. so now ya'll cannot touch, because with His love, im about to bust. with loving Faith and Trust, i put in Him, so that i can be led away from this life of sin, and Now that i have His Trust, my brotha's and sista's, not just the black ones, comeon now, that just is not a must, there is no such thing man, all that is, is nothing more than an evil thought, brought up in vain, so that maybe a man's soul, that leech, can be bought. Quit being evil, for it is Love, that should be sought, out so once again we may be fed from His Spout, for only He can give us what we need so that in the end we may succeed. my brothers and sisters all we need to do is Believe, and then, Anything, together, WE CAN ACHIEVE. this is an ode to ya'll so in hopes once again that ya'll may hear The Call, and will not fall, so one day me, ya'll, and The Almighty,Perfect, like a prefect without the er, Omnipotent, and Patient ONE, that together we May All Ball. and they keep telling me to stop, but i just cant my brothers me and Him are headed to the top, and right now i got The Heart Of A Lion, King, and pray tell me my brothers and sisters who are reading, what single Beast can stop that king? of the jungle we are running but with Him we can be free. out into the open pasture we all can roam, just know this is not me, and that this is His Tomb. its wierd how they're spelled alike but do not rhyme, im talking bout bomb my brothers, and its One of a Kind. in the Hopes that this petty rhyme, can help lead the black sheep, away from the Blind, being themselves, for who? tell me can save them from that? if you dont answer right then your a part of this blight that runs rampant through the streets, evil im talking about and all it wants to do is eat, your souls because it is angry at the Living God, hahahaha for it is nothing more than a sod, on His Cleat as He is Running, Hoping that some of these Words, hit you right in the stomach, and make you sick, but not you, im talking about the evil you, for we are all children of God, but we have made ourselves nothing more than a sod =( i say with a heavy heart, because all this time we have been playing the devil, his part, but with Him it is nothing but a fart, because He Forgives, and Only Through Him may we EVER, get the chance to Live, and im not talking about on the earth, im talking about another, and maybe one day you can see and i can Truly call you my Brother, for there is Life in Death, but it is only gained through this life which is a test, just know that when we die, if you have lived righteously, on that day you will Fly, for the Lord will Breathe His Breath in you when you die and like i said before You Will Fly, but not if you keep eating from the devil's table, for you can only eat from one, and i hope its Not the devil's table. for if we Eat from Him, we can All go back into His Stable, and only in doing that can we Ever truly be stable, only only if, we are eating from, The Living God's Table. and for ya'll who are sitting at your computers steadily dissin Him, i pray for you, because it you are missin, Him and the bigger picture, just know right now im taking a Big Gulp From His Ultimate Pitcher, not one from the MLB, and if you are listening then i pray that you sea, i mean see, but with Him we can fly over the one before, and higher than mike, dunk it in, right for a score, but not for 2 for it is for 3, because He is Holy in me, but atm holy in you, because you missing some parts, we all need to change, so that we may play His Part, that He intended from the Beginning, because only With Him can we ever be winning, but hahahaha not as long as we are sinning. for that is not the way that we was meant to walk, With Him we was mean to Walk and Talk. once again i say this way i, used to, but we choose to live, is insane in the membrane, but He is using me as His Template, lol or templar whichever you prefer, just know that He is Prefect, ha just without the errrr. as i sit here steadily dissin em i mean the demons in the minds of the children of the One and Only, God Who Is Kind, i hope that they depart, so we can All gaze upon The Divine, not like wine or watch, i aint lil wayne, just know that i feel like im the only one who is sane. because i AM NOT PERFECT, do not get the wrong message for that would hurt me, only He is, and He just wants some love from His Kids, but for some odd reason... we still choose to do the evil leeches bids, for i feel he has sucked to much from us, all of our blood, i mean soul, it has tucked from us, and right now He is aiming at it with a Big Ol' Blunderbuss. to shoot it and unleech it, from His Children's Soul's so one day maybe we can gaze upon, That Wonderful City Of Gold, and dont letit peak your in ter ests, for if you do your not getting whats bests, from this test that He has beset, for our minds to ponder and think on, maybe in some of the hearts out there this message is shining, for He is a Beacon of Light, to shine out all the evils, and end this ugly, hateful blight, that courses through our vains, that nasty garbage that makes us feel insane, because no one is living right, and for That NONE is sane. you can talk and sit there and chatter, but i pray and hope that none get fatter, and im not talking because of mcdonalds, im talking about your ego and pride, because We Alll NEED to push that aside, all we seem to do is breed hate and contempt, sitting there looking for another hurt sould to feed on, thinking it makes us content, but just know NOW people, lolol all your doing is letting the devil be your PIMP! ha ha ha i think that really funny, because in the words of man that just makes ya'll some ho's, and please forgive my trespasses my sisters and brothers, for my vulgar words, because i Did Not mean to hurt, He's just trying to keep our faces from being rubbed in the dirt. but it really shouldnt matter because we are mud, and from One we all came, so can i not call ya'll blood??? nah im not talking about them two glock shotta's, im talking bout from The One Who Has Always Got Us, not us as in the navy, i mean us as in the ones who might sit on that bus, the one going to school and to the ones who drool in class, and all of us who needs a kick in the, pause, ya'll know what i mean, im just sitting here trying not be obscene, all im trying to do is get the bigger picture, through ya'll minds so that maybe one day, we can All WALK IN THE LORDS WAY. forgive me if i make any of ya'll mad, if i do know that i Am sad, but how about ya'll just go to the store and go and grab on of them happy hefty bags, you know i meant glad if you didnt you are simple, and forgive me as i sit here and bust this pimple, lol sorry that was nasty just know that i didnt, and know that we are all fake, and its time for some rhino plasty, or however its spelled im just hoping some hearts will melt, like the plastic we are, and become melded into flesh, as i sit here and type in this Soul Food test, for if ya'll can't hear me then your hearts are so cold, forgive me as i trespass, because, uhm, i Am not trying to be bold, im just tryna through some fia atcha hearts, in the hopes that you may leave the Dark, ness not loch just in case thats watchu thought, all you gotta do is leave your flesh behind, and know that He is the one who Should Be Sought, out so we can drank From His Spout, cuz the Lord Knows, man it has been a drought. we are all so thirsty, but in order to be filled its The Lord who must come firsty x) just know that me and Him are going Stooopid, and for those who are real maaan i thoughtchu knew it. and if you dont i pray you haven't already blew it, up i mean your ego, like a balloon, just know right now i feel like taz boi, yup them looney toones, or tunes whichever you prefer, just know that He is Prefect, just without the err. and i say pre because He was always here, yes before you and me, but with Him i wanna letchu know that we can all be as pure, and as white as the snow, just like powder we can all be melted, i mean melded into the beings we were meant to be, so one day we may fly free as a dove, Right over the sea, so that we all can reach New Jerusalem, yup just right where we was all meant to be, that is the Golden City for those who did not, know, im just hoping that one day we can All be as pure as the snow, because the evil has taunted and flaunted and given us a show, to peak i mean perk up our ears and it, that leech i mean, gave us nothing but fears, fears of ourselves and one another, fears from our sisters and daughter, Father, and brothers, but we have a right to Fear the Living God, because to Him we have all become a sod, He is sorrowful and cries as we follow, the evil being, who was never meant to be followed, and i felt His pain at one point in time, yes i Am talking About the Divine, we both cried together, in my room, because of the little things we miss, something just as small as, a heartfelt kiss... for it is the little things that bring us the greatest joy, not some diamond chain, or a, wind up toy, the biggest thing of all that should, is His Love, should bring us the Greatest joy, in the world, for thats all it is man just cars and noise, all the long going our way, Missing the sweetest noise, zes ya'll know what i mean, im talking about the One who is Never obscene, for He is Just And Right, in each and every single way, and for our sins my borhters and sisters, we have to pay, but do not fret for it is never to late, I think we all need to call upon The Divine, and we should All go on a date, do not worry for on this date there is no rape, or murder, or hate, for that is of the devil, and Your Soul it will take, there is no worries once you follow Him, we should all be hand in hand as we walk down this path, called, life Never having to worry about no pain or strife, or for a bigger picture His Wrath, but ONLY IF WE DRINK FROM HIS PITCHER. for The All Powerful and Righteous Wrath, only comes when you stray from His Path, it is there to show us our wrongs...can you feel His Soul as i sit here and Sing His song? and with Him i will NEVER fall, because with my Brother, I will always Hear His Call. i say we but it is Him, who say these words to in the hopes, that those who have an Ear to listen may never Fall, into the Pit, all you have to do is have Faith, Follow The Ten, Believe, and never EVER Quit, for in order to gain His All Perfect and Good Graces, we have to eliminate ALL the Hate and evil, in all sorts of places, i have a feeling this song was wrote long before, just in His mind and now in mine, and i sing His song in the Hopes, that you follow Him and not any of these "popes" for no hope lies in them, lol and if you truly think aboutit that actually rhymed, just know that im thinking of Him, foremost, but ya'll too as i steadily write This Rhyme, it comes from above yup, Straight From the Divine, in the Hopes that one day ya'll can SEE, exactly it was that we was missing, so we can All fly over the sea. Man this thing is long but i should Say God, because this is His Rhyme, and not from a sod, like me or you, if you real you can feel its True, as His Sword aims at the hearts of His good, flying Straight and Through, lol i mean True, but them if you can follow my friend, all we gotta do is sing Praises and Thanksgiving to Him, until the very end, and give Him all of our love, Because WITHOUT HIM, ha There WOULD BE NO LOVE, all there would be is pain and suffering, and i hope that the ones who are, suffer, i mean acating, Might actually stop and take the time to sit there and be debating, against the devil of course, cuz all it wants to do is, lead us, right, or left, but straight off our course. Lord Please Forgive me, if i am being coarse just know that i am your back, and You Are My Horse, lol ya'll might think He's heavy but He's really not, and i Love Him till Death, i mean Life, cuz i have found It, but back to the point, because i HE HAS TAUGHT, never went to church or none of that, maybe when i was younger but none of that, for our minds our are churches, ha gotit backwards but i feel as tall as the burches, talking bout them trees man im over the seas man, just know i cant, wait, My Father, until You Kick Over My Can Man x) aw man i thoughit was funny, because he's One Cool Dude, and i am His, Bunny, i mean Collie, and know that as i, i mean He, but as i bark, that i have a Strong feeling, that i am playing my Part, or His i prefer the latter but the choice is yurs, because it is His Puzzle, and i am the last part, i cant be for certain because the Knowledge is His, but im just trying to bring His Black Sheep back, you know i mean His KIDS, He thoughtit was funny, But ya'll best Believe that He NOR i the first comes first, but neither one of us is No, pause, Dummy, lol but if you choose you can beat and bite, whatever you do just know it is out of spite, and i dont capitilize because its an evil word, just know me and HIM, are trying to end this wrongful blight, and saying these words i Hope that maybe, just maybe some can be given the Sight, that HE intended us to have, right, from Go, talking bout monopoly,lol but no no more, from the start maaaan all HE ever wanted was us to give our heart, which is HIS, because He gave to us, All that is HIS, HE just Wanted someone to talk to man, thats why HE made HIS Kids, HE was all alone, and then HE built, a Beautiful place for us, and HIM, to walk and talk all the while, just laughing and talking, seeing eachother smile =) because HE is our FATHER, He's not as mean ha as ya'll would believe, just know that HE TRULY IS ONE BENEVOLENT KING. lol ha ha i think this is funny, He knows what im talking about, cuz this is all of the top of the dome with barely a second to pause, Just Know the THE LION KING, Has Opened HIS Claws, Blessed be the children who took the time to listen, to the message that a, and The King is steadily dishin, i say a because i am one too, but know that im a servant, and from a Seed i did Grew, i dont care if it makes no sense to ya'll because i have heard the Lords Call, and they, they know who they are, are always listening, and as He types, through, me i have a feeling they are about to call, Prayer is the Best Wireless Connection X) aint no service down here got that type of Connection, i just hope that i get to see some of ya'll at that intersection, i mean Crossroads, bone thugz n harmony, they said it first, man thats the song man and if you feel their soul, then maybe you should hurt, because those bois on the streets back in the day, all they was doing was searching for some Peace, but in the streets, the oppressors, following the devil, have no love for us in the slums, just know that we All have a Holster and God Is our Gun, we dont need no metal, for The Lord our issues HE will settle, all you gotta do is Have some Faith, saying this in hope that some dont see any wraiths, talking demons people come now and please listen, as the Lord spits his song and these Words HE is dishin, out yup you getting it word of mouf, lol or mouth whichever you prefer just DONT follow that lowly snake, yup the one down south, it might try and offer pleasure and happiness butits all fake, HA what do ya'll expect from a lowly snake? remeber eve as she sat under that tree? sitting there thinking and feeling the breeze? the snake spoke in her Ear temptation it did bring, and after teel me WHO did she fear? she had a split second of happiness and thats all it can give, and after that she felt the WRATH which is ONLY HIS, lol i hope that ya'll see, the way we live people, it just wasn't meant to be, i have a feeling that there all up there laughing, with, not at me as i type out His message, and i pray ALMIGHTY FATHER, THE ONES WHO HAVE AN EAR TO LISTEN PLEASE FATHER PLEASE LET THE HEAR. and the ones who dont i pray you dont hit him hard, maybe just a little tap, just like Babe Ruth, on that baseball card x) Peace be with you my sisters and brothers, just know that HIS LOVE IS LIKE NO OTHER, GOD BLESS ALL WHO FINISHED, AND I PRAY YOUR SOULS NEVER, DIMINISH. ONE HEART IS ALL, AND WITH THAT HEART WE CAN NEVER FALL, lol i said i was finished, but i dont think HE is as you can tell this words are not mine, THEY COME FROM THE UPPER BEING, yup THE DIVINE!!! i think im going to cut Him short and please Forgive me, because i know HE could go all day, BECAUSE I CAN FEEL HIM IN ME.

Side: yes
1 point

BECAUSE I CAN FEEL HIM IN ME.

It is fortunate for you that you possess an absentee father figure who is so obliging as to be inside you constantly.

It is also fortunate that this penetration is such a sensual affair for you. Might I enquire as to whether it hurt the first time you detected His presence inside you? Is this presence particularly large? Does it take some time for God to place all of himself inside you? Does he take his time, or does he try to enter you as quickly as possible?

If and when he removes himself from you, do you feel dirty and unclean?

Have you told your parents?

Does he reserve his attentions for you, or does he pay similar visits to your friends?

Side: No
Spadedude(227) Disputed
1 point

OK, so if you want to offend chiristians you can. As one myself I can say He has never left me. I can always feel his presence. If I ever stop that its because I have wondered away from him myself. It doesn't hurt. It gives me peace, hope and security. How can that hurt. I KNOW he loves me no matter what. I don't feel dirty or unclean becuase I ask his forgiveness and that of the person I hurt. He doesn't try to enter us, he lets us choose. Why do you try to make it sound luike sex or rape?

Why would you're parents need to know? stop implyinfg that person is a mindless idiot. They aren't they are showing you their heart.

He also can be with EVERY ONE AT ONCE. And yes, my friend became a christian and has stopped wanting to commit suicede. Like me.

Side: Yes
Chuckles24(18) Disputed
1 point

One is not saved by false hope. False hope accomplishes nothing.

Side: No
-2 points
zombee(1024) Disputed
2 points

The only place you will ever win a debate like that is in your own mind. No one else will be impressed with such a lazy, weak argument.

Side: No
19 points

If there is no evidence leading up to a God, I do not believe. Any sort of God would not ignore suffering like there has always been. Any 'miracle' these days can be fully debunked.

So I do not see a point in believing in something that's made up.

Side: No
Bradf0rd(1428) Disputed
11 points

God is said to be omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent. If you look at this definition, it is either impossible, to exist in our realm of existence, or... it [God] is our realm of existence. The only thing that you can fit these characteristics too, is the universe itself. The universe is "all powerful" over this domain because it is the domain. The universe is "all knowing" of this domain because it is the domain. And the universe is "all present" in this domain because it is the domain.

The only "miracle" that can't be debunked is the fact that there is this realm... before existence couldn't have been absolute non-existence. Existence has either always been here or it came from non-existence which makes absolutely no sense (but still may be true). So if God is the very fabric of the universe and existence itself, how can we prove that it doesn't exist??? We have no other choice but to accept it.

Also, in this idea, if people are suffering, and they are made of God, God cannot ignore the suffering people because he too is suffering.

Side: yes
Yakeyglee(45) Disputed
10 points

So how can you argue for something that you cannot even interact with on a comparable level?

Side: No
casper3912(1581) Disputed
7 points

The universe wouldn't suffer in your idea, only the part of it which has suffering as an emergent property of its smaller parts would be. The entire universe would have to have the quality of suffering or of perceiving it in order for it to suffer. Even if it did suffer, it could ignore it like i ignored the blister on my foot as I skated last night.

Side: No
aveskde(1935) Disputed
6 points

God is said to be omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent. If you look at this definition, it is either impossible, to exist in our realm of existence, or... it [God] is our realm of existence. The only thing that you can fit these characteristics too, is the universe itself. The universe is "all powerful" over this domain because it is the domain. The universe is "all knowing" of this domain because it is the domain. And the universe is "all present" in this domain because it is the domain.

You're not proving god's existence, you're just describing the universe and then tacking "god" onto it.

Your argument is like "The universe is X, Y, Z, therefore god."

The only "miracle" that can't be debunked is the fact that there is this realm... before existence couldn't have been absolute non-existence. Existence has either always been here or it came from non-existence which makes absolutely no sense (but still may be true). So if God is the very fabric of the universe and existence itself, how can we prove that it doesn't exist??? We have no other choice but to accept it.

You start by defining god, and then proving that it exists. You don't describe something else in terms you associate with god and expect that something to become god.

Also, in this idea, if people are suffering, and they are made of God, God cannot ignore the suffering people because he too is suffering.

Yet there is still suffering.

Side: No
Cyburwulf(9) Disputed
1 point

first of all God is real rather u believe it or not why because the bible it says

Side: No
MKIced(2483) Disputed
7 points

Who's to say that God has any interference in this world? Maybe he sparked the Big Bang and is now an omniscient observer. The reason I believe he doesn't affect the world at all is the fact that we have free will. A truly good God would not control us; He would let us choose for ourselves what to do, what to think, and what to believe in.

So maybe He's not ignoring suffering, but lamenting over the suffering, knowing that helping the sufferer would be the wrong thing to do. I know this sounds pessimistic about God, but in reality, I believe it portrays Him in a very optimistic light. It shows that we are all equal as human beings, that the differences in us come from our own actions and these actions help or hinder our descendants as well.

Side: yes
casper3912(1581) Disputed
5 points

you have a different conceptualization of god then most people.

I'm assumeing you do think he is:

All powerful(before he created humans and gave them free will)

created everything(except human actions,yet he did create humans)

and is all knowing(except for what humans are going to do)

If god was all powerful, couldn't he create a universe where free will didn't result in suffering?

If not, then why create something knowing it will suffer and that helping it would be wrong; putting god in a delima of his own doing that he laments.

Also Free will is nonsensical; its the idea that we are neither determined nor random. Its the idea that we are uncaused causes, which would mean our actions,thoughts and beliefs have no relation to the world(random). It is also used to put the blame on someone, saying that they should of "choose" differently as if their actions/thoughts ect should have a relation to the world(quasi-determined).

Side: No
Troy8(2431) Disputed
3 points

If there is no evidence leading up to a God, I do not believe. Any sort of God would not ignore suffering like there has always been. Any 'miracle' these days can be fully debunked.

So I do not see a point in believing in something that's made up. -Falhalterra(12)

Ok, so what is your alternative belief to how the universe came to be? Huh? Oh- wait... before you say anything, I don't believe it because it is a made up theory and cannot be proven. And please don't say the universe existed because of the Big Bang Theory, because this can be "refuted" with the same question. Where did the Big Bang come from? Who caused it? Who caused that being to cause it? Who caused the being who caused the being who caused it? etc. Theoretically, there must be at some point, an end, because otherwise supernatural hierarchy would be a paradox, and it would have been impossible for this world to exist.

Side: yes
2 points

Nicely put. We sound like we are on identical paths. :) I like it like lika.

Side: yes
santanalg(4) Disputed
2 points

The evidence is all around you AND within you to acknowledge this truth, but you choose to ignore it, God gave us the ability to choose our path, He does not interfere with your free will. If He wanted puppets He would have created us as such, the suffering you are talking about comes at the hands of men (humans) because of greed, lust, deception, bottom line, SIN, and we are very sinful to our nature...

God is sovereign, Loving, compassionate ALL knowing and JUST...

God Bless you and I hope he opens up your mind to Him...

Side: yes
2 points

Question:Why did the crusades happen?

Answer: god told the pope to kill muslims

So that is the act of a tolerant and loving god? No. More like an egocentric maniac

Side: No
2 points

There is no evidence that god exists. Seeing is believing. If he exists then why doesn't he come down to earth and show himself to us. If he exists then why does he allow millions of innocents to be killed. If he exists and has all these majestic superpowers, then why doesn't he do something about wars. Instead, he, if he exists at all, just sits around and treats the whole thing as an over elaborate joke. If he exists then why doesn't he do something about poverty and suffering. If he exists then he would care and something would be done. Nothing has been done. Therefore not only does he not exist but is also a mass murderer and an implacable nazi sadist. god does not exist. End of story.

Side: No
abubakar31(176) Disputed
1 point

here is proof of god listen to this video !!!!!!!!!!!!! and answer the questions

the grace of god(allahu)
Side: yes
aveskde(1935) Disputed
5 points

That's mythology, not proof. There's a difference.

By the way, threats of hell are very cheesy and remove any shred of seriousness.

Side: No
Chuckles24(18) Disputed
1 point

I only watched the first 30 seconds, but this is your proof? God hasn't affected the planet since... Ever! Evolution flatly contradicts any need for a God to have created the universe.

Side: No
Nooribrahim(9) Disputed
1 point

If God doesn't exist! Then who created you!?? How did you come in this world!? If humans are responsible for the creation of non-living things!! Then how do you believe that no one is responsible for the creation of living thing!??? I strongly oppose you!! God exists!! We can't see him but he exists..... there are many things that we can't see.... so what's your opinion that such things don't exist cause we can't see him!???

Side: Yes
Caleb06(20) Disputed
1 point

Theres no REAL evidence in evolutiojn which you problably believe in but let me ask you something arent you just believing in something non existent?

Side: Yes
IAmSparticus(1517) Clarified
1 point

So why do you think the overwhelming majority of the scientific community recognizes evolution if it has "no REAL evidence"?

Side: Yes
9 points

I love it when I get down voted without a dispute, it means that you annoyed someone, and they have nothing to say.

Side: No
7 points

All I know is that it's only me who can control my life. I'm not a puppet in the hands of a unknown power (that is if it really exists). If there was a so called supervising power then everything would be prefect in our lives which is not exactly the fact. How on earth can we beleive on things that don't have a proof of existence.

Cheers to the imagination of those who craeted it, I'm sorry it probably just exists in your head and that too I guess out of fear, not acceptance.

I definitely do not beleive in the existence of god!

Side: No
hoegy(308) Disputed
1 point

THEN TELL ME WHAT YOU BELEIVE IN?! NOTHING! How can you beleive in nothing life has purpose. nothing has to be able to create nothing there cant be a nothing creating everything. You cant have legos coming together themselves. There has to be a creater behind a creation.

Side: yes
Rose123(21) Disputed
1 point

Nothing cannot create everything... But nothing can be identified and named "SOMETHING".... :D

Which is surely something other than GOD..!!

And the process has to be a bit RATIONAL too...!!!...

As to what I believe in,, I believe in myself... and that is ENOUGH to drive my existence..!!!

Side: No
Chuckles24(18) Disputed
1 point

The fundamental laws of the universe (Gravity, Electromagnetism, Strong force, and Weak force) are required for a being like God to exist. However, the fundamental laws of the universe did not exist until nanoseconds AFTER the Big Bang. Even if he did not require those laws to exist, if he CAN physically affect the universe (blizzards, tornadoes, hurricanes) than he was most certainly torn apart and killed by the Singularity that caused the Big Bang. Or the explosion. There was no way he could have survived the beginning of the Universe and still be able to physically affect the universe.

Also, the purpose of life is literally just to reproduce.

Side: No
6 points

I do not believe in God so therefore I say he does not exist, there is not one shred of evidence outside of personal accounts that proves Gods existence.

Side: No
6 points

And some of those highly touted "personal accounts" weren't even encountered by real people.

Side: No
4 points

Are you referring to biblical accounts? .

Side: No
cherrylatae(25) Disputed
2 points

ok you say there is no evidence that God is real. well where is your evidence that he isnt real????! Explain how humanity was created....explain how everything was made..math...reading......sex......it wasnt just there !!! we just didnt float ta earth someone or something created everything so give me your evidence

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ricedaragh(2500) Disputed
11 points

OK you say there is no evidence that God is real. well where is your evidence that he isn't real????

I don't have any, that is the point, if your argument for Gods existence is "the fact that there is a god" then you need to back that up, what I asked was where is the evidence, I never stated I had any.

Explain how humanity was created....explain how everything was made..math...reading......sex......it wasnt just there !!!

Humans as Homosapiens are possibly one of the newest species on the planet evolved over the last six million years through successive mutations from a common ancestor that we share with Chimpanzees.

Maths and reading came to be as a larger and more logic orientated brain started to evolve in archaic homosapiens.

Larger brains came from the evolution of bipedal locomotion which took over from quadrupedal locomotion, this happened as the plush forested area of Africa receded leaving some species to pick out a living from a more flat (no more trees) and arid landscape. The necessity to crouch to pick tubers and other ground plants to eat coupled with the fact that they had to travel longer distances and bipedal locomotion freed up the hands to carry and waisted less energy. The freedom of the hands allowed the species to put these to increasingly difficult tasks until it came to the point about 30,000 years ago where cave drawings started which over time became glyphs and a protowriting system that became something like hieroglyphics of ancient Egypt these could be the origins of reading. Four thousand years ago and maths comes into being, I'm not too sure on this but I think it was early Babylonian tablets that contained the first known mathematical writings.

As for sex well that is as old as life its self, nearly as it consisted of asexual reproduction. Sexual reproduction is a huge topic which I would find hard to compress so read the link.

http://www.evolutionary-philosophy.net/sex.html

There is a book called The Ancestors Tale by Richard Dawkins I would advise any one to read it.

If some of the dates and stuff are a bit off it is because I am pulling this stuff off the top of my head.

we just didn't float ta earth someone or something created everything so give me your evidence

Why did someone or something have to have created anything. God is a non answer it explains nothing and only provides a much bigger question, where did God come from, we know where a lot things come from as there is tons of evidence to look to, there is no evidence for Gods existence, God for all intents and purposes is a mythical character trying to find evidence of his existence is like trying to find evidence of the existence of Fairies.

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