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Debate Score:150
Arguments:106
Total Votes:179
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Does God hate fags?

 

1. 'If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads... You must not live according to the customs of the nations I am going to drive out before you. Because they did all these things, I abhorred them.' (Leviticus 20:13-23)

2. [D]o you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men[.] (I Corinthians 6:9)

3. FAQ page of that most enlightened, tolerant, and compassionate of religious organisations, the Westboro Baptist Church.

 

Yes

Side Score: 56
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No

Side Score: 94
3 points

I personally believe homosexuality is a sin that is why I voted yes. However I believe in the right of personal choice. If one wishes to be homosexual then that is their prerogative and I do not believe that they shouldn be harassed and there right to privacy should be respected. The Westboro baptist church are ignorant pieces of trash that should all get punched in the face!

Side: yes
2 points

I very much respect the ability to separate ones' religious beliefs from what one thinks should be legislated.

Side: No
2 points

I don’t think that God even knows about homos. Right after Big Bang God flew on a neutrino or a boson into ever expanding universe to Gods-only-known location.

Side: No
1 point

thanks, I feel that my morality is my morality and should not be enforced upon another individual. I would however hope that the homosexuals would have the same consideration and not thrusts their morality down my throat. I have tolerance for homosexuals but I feel that many of them want acceptance and no legislation will get that acceptance from me.

Side: No
pamina9(62) Disputed
1 point

Homosexuality is not a CHOICE. I did not choose to like a straight girl who will never like me back, and other homosexuals don't choose to be that way. Not all of them hate it, I wouldn't change myself, but some of them would.

Side: No
Officialjake Disputed
1 point

The Catholic church has identified homosexuality as not being a sin because you are born gay. They have identified homosexual acts as a sin. All the ignorant people out there that say god hates fags just make me so mad god hates no one. Stop spreading a bad image on Christianity and get educated.

Side: No
Skaruts(195) Disputed
1 point

I apreciate your "tolerance" for homosexuals. That, at least, is an intelligent approach.

But just out of curiosity, what qualifies homosexuality as a sin to your perspective? What are the criteria, by the way?

Side: No
2 points

I'm a fag and proud, or at least bi. GO FAGGOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Side: No
1 point

me too! i just got engaged to my beautiful girlfriend of almost 2 years. i've never loved anyone as much as i love her and we live life to the fullest. Ive never read the bible, i dont know what i believe in, but what i do know if there is heaven and hell i would gladly burn in "hell" in the after life if that means i get to be with her now.

Side: yes

Congrats on your engagement! I hope you guys have a great life together. =)

Side: yes
0 points

that's what she said. somehow i'm supposed to stretch that into 50 characters soooo ttttthhhhaaaaatttttt'sssss wwwwhhhhaaaatttttttt ssssshhhhhhheeeeeee sssssaaaaaaiiiiiiddddddddddddd.

Side: No

All the wayy lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Side: yes
0 points

Unfortunately, some 2 billion people in the world believe - or should believe - that you will go to hell because of that.

Actually, I'm not sure what the bible says about lesbians. It keeps saying that it's immoral for men to have sex with other men, but I haven't yet seen a verse specifically condemning women who have sex with other women.

Side: yes
pamina9(62) Disputed
2 points

What do you think? Do you think I will burn in Hell, just because I follow my heart?

Side: No
1 point

Or, to put the question in a more general way: "If you profess to believe the Bible as the eternal and infallible truth, should you accept the teachings of the Bible in their entirety?"

While I find the WBC's actions repulsive, I think they raise a very good point about Christianity that most Christians don't like to talk about. God isn't the perfectly friendly loving father that he is usually portrayed as. The Bible endorses slavery, the subjugation of women, the death penalty for all sorts of crimes from homosexuality to swearing at your parents, genocide, and plenty of other actions the modern person would find rather dubious.

Naturally, most modern Christians balk at this, so they say, "No, God isn't telling you to kill your children or execute adulterers and homosexuals. He just means this and that and all those other nice, harmless things." The problem is that believing in the Bible doesn't mean "pick the things you like, downplay or ignore the rest". It means believing the Bible in its entirety.

So when God says that he abhorred homosexuals, isn't that what a Bible-believing Christian must accept?

Side: yes

If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them. (NKJ, Leviticus 20:13)

I rest my case.

(I'm an Atheist.)

Side: yes
1 point

i hope he hates the filthy diseased infested lesbian pig women too, because i sure do. they are certainly the reason why us good straight guys can't meet a decent straight woman anymore. these pigs are everywhere now, just like the filthy whores that are straight, but need a different guy to go to bed each and everyday of the week. either way, us good innocent guys lose. GOD please get rid of the garbage already.

Side: Yes
1 point

in regards to so very true's commit, he is definitely right on the money about the LESBIANS. there seems to be so many of these diseased infested pig women now than ever before, and they are certainly making it very hard for us STRAIGHT GOOD SERIOUS MEN that are looking to find love again. i was married at one time, and i was a very caring and loving husband that was very much committed to her. but she cheated on me with another woman, and of course this made me very bitter. i still can't believe that this happened to me, and i always wanted to have a family too. now that i go out again, i seem to meet very nasty low life loser women that have an attitude problem. even trying to start a normal conversation with these women, has become very difficult for me today. they will tell me to leave them alone, and even threaten to call the police on me. that shows you how many low life loser women that are out there today, and gee wiz i thought that i was hurt enough as it is. when i see so many very lucky straight men and women that have met and have a family, this very much upsets me. what makes these people so very special?, and not me? i certainly did not do anything wrong, except for being a very good husband that i was. the problem today we have too many of these GARBAGE women that are out there now, and even the straight ones need to date a different man for each day of the week. GOD FORBID, if a woman that is straight could only stay with only one man today. but that would be such a miracle that even GOD could not handle. very hard to find a real good honest woman today, especially trying to meet one that is NORMAL.

Side: Yes
0 points

Everybody hates fags. Including God. The only people who don't hate fags are other fags and women.

Actually I don't think God HATES fags. Nobody HATES them. God just wishes he never took some epic magic mushrooms one day and accidently created the fucked up little sodomites known as homosexuals.

Side: yes
pamina9(62) Disputed
2 points

God also says to love your fellow human beings, and how is hating people just because they're different,with no logical reasoning, doing that?

Side: No
cuntyguy2(203) Disputed
1 point

There is logical reasoning. I don't like gays because.............

..............they're GAY!!!

Side: yes
youloveme313 Disputed
2 points

It kinda funny you say "everybody hates fags" cause your mom wasn't saying that when i was banging her in the ### with my strap on...just saying.

Side: No
1 point

baby you answered 'yes' to this, you forgot to tag it no. i still love you, though, and i can't wait to make you my wife. :) in some state, i haven't decided which yet.

Side: No
Officialjake Disputed
1 point

God hates NO ONE in Christianity god hates no one!!!! you are a very ignorant person. Also being gay is not a sin committing homosexual acts is.

Side: No
hotnoodle101(52) Disputed
1 point

Because that's not hypocritical in the slightest. It's perfectly fine to BE gay, just not to act on it?

Side: No
Skaruts(195) Disputed
1 point

If god existed, he might've had the same mushrooms, or even LSD, when he created you.

Side: No
0 points

Everybody hates fags.

Only faggots (and women) like faggots.-----------------------------------------------------------------

Side: yes
pamina9(62) Disputed
2 points

Is there anything wrong with homosexuals, other than the fact that the bible says it is so? If so, what?

Side: No
cuntyguy2(203) Disputed
1 point

Yes. The Quran says it too

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Side: yes

This whole "god hates fags" crap is stupid. People who don't even believe in Christianity have supported the motion just because of their stereotype against homosexuality.

Side: No
0 points

Yes, God absolutely and without question, not only hates fags, He abhors them. As many others here and elsewhere have already proven, this is stated in the Bible, multiple times and in no uncertain terms. This is not debatable or open to personal interpretation. It is in the Bible. God hates fags.

It is equally well documented, however, in other like works of fiction, that vampires hate sunlight, Superman hates Kryptonite, and leprechauns hate having their gold stolen. To what degree such claims are allowed to affect one's day to day life is left entirely to the discretion of the individual, and has no provable bearing on reality beyond that.

Side: yes
Officialjake Disputed
0 points

GOD hates no one! being gay is not a sin committing homosexual acts is! get your facts right next time. In Christianity GOD HATES NO ONE!!!!!!!

Side: No
Peekaboo(704) Disputed
1 point

Then why did God say: "I abhorred them" (Leviticus 20:23), with "them" referring to people who committed homosexual acts?

Side: yes
6 points

GOD DOESN'T HATE QUEERS HE LOVES EVERYONE GOOD OR BAD BLACK OR WHITE WE ARE ALL EQUAL IN HIS EYES AND THATS ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

Side: No
2 points

I completely agree with you. I mean, who understands women better than women? Who understands men better than men? Just because you have romantic feelings for the same gender doesn't mean you will burn in Hell.

Side: No
Peekaboo(704) Disputed
1 point

Then how would you explain why God said that he abhorred men who have sex with men? Those are his words, spoken to Moses, recorded in the Bible.

Side: yes
cutiequeen68(2) Disputed
2 points

yes the bible says this but in Sunday school children are to sing the song "Jesus loves me" so if a queer goes to church and prays do you think God is going to come down and tell him to get out of the church NO!!!! in my opinion God loves everyone not just straight people he loves lesbians,gays,bisexual and so on and so forth.

Side: No

listen, its a very topical issue within the church and while certain verses say that homosexuality is wrong, i think youll find there are far more verses which say od loves everyone.

in my own personal view, having read the bible, alot of what it says suggests to me that we should all follow our own moral guidance and shouldnt judge someone else for following theirs. so if someone thinks homosexuality is right then in my view there is nothing wrong with it

Side: No
Peekaboo(704) Disputed
4 points

But if you follow your own moral guidance, you are no longer adhering to God's word. God didn't say, "Follow your own conscience and ignore what I say." He said:

"It is the LORD your God you must follow, and him you must revere. Keep his commands and obey him; serve him and hold fast to him." (Deuteronomy 13:4)

Maybe there are verses that could be taken to mean that God loves everyone, but the big problem is that the "God loves everyone" doctrine is completely contrary to what God said about abhorring homosexuals. He loves everyone but he abhors some people? That's not logically possible. I see the following as the only possible solutions:

(1) Say that God eventually decided love was better than hate, and changed his mind. (This would imply that the Old Testament God was imperfect, but that is impossible because God is supposed to be perfect.)

(2) Admit that the Bible contradicts itself. (This means the Bible cannot be taken as the eternal, infallible truth. This completely undermines God's and Jesus's teachings, and undermines Christianity itself.)

(3) Say that what God really means is that he loves everyone except the people he abhor. OR that he loves those who follow him, and the rest he may well abhor. Or even that "love" is only a figure of speech with little meaning; you have to earn his real love through worship.

Seems like (3) is the only answer... hence, God hates fags?

Side: yes
iamdavidh(4856) Disputed
4 points

... this god must be a closet fag. It's the only explanation for this undo hatred.

I'm not sure what your stance is. Are you insane and think there actually is some invisible douche bag dolling punishment according to no moral standard or right and wrong, but only his persoanl whims?

Or are you clever pointing out how completely silly the Bible is from the religious' own standpoint?

Side: No
Wolfe2011(2) Disputed
2 points

By reading your logic it may seem like 3 is the only answer, but it seems a tad bit close-minded.

"(1) Say that God eventually decided love was better than hate, and changed his mind. (This would imply that the Old Testament God was imperfect, but that is impossible because God is supposed to be perfect.)"

So God can just decide, and change his mind? Is he human or is he God? In this logic, maybe he changed his mind and started to like homosexuals because they're nice.

The impossibility that God is supposed to be perfect. The Key word meaning supposed to be. What you need to realize is the difference between faith and actuality. You personally, and many others I assume BELIEVE that God is perfect and that the Bible is the word of the Lord and the end all be all. But not everyone believes or puts their faith that the bible is to be taken so literally, and there are many others that do not believe in the Bible, or in God for that matter. If it is stated in the Bible that God abhors gays, and it also states that he loves everyone, then obviously that is a contradiction which you pointed out was logically impossible. One possible derivation is that the Bible is wrong, and can't be taken as truth. This also lines up with (2) where the Bible contradicts itself and can't be taken as eternal infallible truth. That admittance could be resisted from those who believe every word in the Bible as its literal meaning. So you come to the conclusion that you assume what God really means and you come up with the answer that God hates fags, when the other just as equally compelling and more likely solutions are that

(1)God loves everyone and that includes homosexuals, transgenders, straights, etc.,

(2) that the Bible is not a literal interpretation of God's wishes because it's more a tale of a cultural relevance that is reaching a point of interference with the actual evolution of cultural and psychological beliefs, norms and acceptances,

(3) lastly (although there are many other possibilities), there is no God, or at least there is a different form that does not take on the personified "God" we envision as a man who sits at the gates of heaven judging those he created.

Also if "love" is a figure of speech with little meaning, how are you able to take the rest of the Bible as the literal definition of truth? In that logic, maybe "abhor" shouldn't be taken literally.

To be honest, and this is my personal opinion. The first two solutions that you pointed out seem much more possible and logical than the third.

Question to ponder:

1. If God created everything, then why would he create Gay people. (since being Gay is a quality that is infused in birth- meaning that it is not of choice that people are Gay)

Side: No
2 points

ok were getting a bit off topic with that, its my own peronal beliefs and i believ that the bible is a base guideline of how we should act, and is open to interperetation, and as it says we should

"Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself."

other than that i personally belive we all have our own moral compass and sure if you are lost, the bible is a great sorceof morallity, but i believe you do have to find certain moral views of your own. and if you believe differently then good for you, but i am not going to debate my own personal views on my religion.

now on to the topic at hand

in my view god loves everyone, regardless of their religion, sexuality or backround. i do however believe that the fact that he his perfect means that he cannot be around sin, now if you want to argue about whether or not it is a sin then thats an entirely different issue which im not going to go into, but i do believe it is not our place to judge this. its the big guy p stairs who judges them on it.

"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. "Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye. (NIV, Matthew 7:1-5)

"may he who is free of sin cast the first stone"

now i dont know about you but i am not free of sin, and im pretty sure that there are some prety huge logs in my eye. if you cant say the same about yourself, then go ahead and persacute them but im pretty sure we are all born with our faults which we have to deal with but i think it is wrong for you to judge them on their sexuality

Side: No
1 point

Of course not. Now i understand how you feel. Homosexuals do go through prejudice, mabye even feel like they are less respected. Now according too Gods word he does love everyone and has created everyone in his image. You have stated that you have read the bible. Well you can read it and still not understand it. Not judging you personally and saying you dont but what im saying is people often disregard the bibles teaching so it can fit with their own agenda. This is not how it should be absorbed. IF you are a born again christian, our duty as christians is to obey the word, love it for what it is because it is not of this world/ it is holy. We are all sinners, and homosexuality is considered a sin just as lying is detested, dishonor, anger, violence, swearing, and so on. Im sry to say this but if you beleive in the word of god than this shouldnt be hard to except, because it is more than obvious that we are all sinners.

Side: No
2 points

i highly disagree, i believe the bible is open to interperatations and while i see the bible disaproves of homosexualsi belive tha it is far worse for you to prosicute them for it

Side: yes
2 points

But on some real shit, god doesn't hate me, because i'm awesome and any heaven without me in it is just florida.

Side: No
2 points

God hates sin, not the sinner. He gave His Son for sinners, in order that we may be forgiven of our sins. Look at Paul, he was a murderer, he murdered many Christians yet he became one of the most inspiring preachers that ever lived. That shows that no matter what man does, he still has a chance to be saved and turn his life around. Like I said, God does not hate the sinner, He hates the sin.

Side: No
Peekaboo(704) Disputed
1 point

I wrote this reply for someone else, but they never responded, so I'll repeat it here:

If, as you say, God doesn't hate people, then why did he say: "I abhorred them" (Leviticus 20:23), with "them" referring to people who committed homosexual acts?

Side: yes
2 points

I have been researching and reading for 2 hours and a half now, and have had a startling realization; God can hate. I thought He didn't, was positive He couldn't. It turns out I was wrong, and for that I apologize for making a false statement. I have to thank you for helping me realize and I have certainly learnt a lot the past couple hours. Thanks again.

Side: yes
2 points

I have never understood why people claim that He does. It says in the Bible 'hate the sin, love the sinner' and so God may hate the act of homosexuality, but he doesn't hate the person. If God hated fags, because they were homosexual, then He would also have to hate every single person on this Earth because we have all fallen short of His Glory. I strongly believe that the Christian God is a loving God and many people show Him to be pure hate, when He clearly is not.

Supporting Evidence: Does God hate fags? (www.gotquestions.org)
Side: No
2 points

I must state that this is leviticus 20 13 and 23 not leviticus 20 13-23. If they believe that God hates fags then anyone who does not uphold the old covenant is someone with which he hates according to his logic. The problem is that god can see a sin as abhorrent or wrong, yet this does not change the fact that he loves us

It is like when your child breaks something, you may see what they did as wrong and punish them for it, but at the bottom of your heart you love them very dearly.

Side: No
1 point

I used to think that homosexuality was an act of wrong not only against god but against society but i have come to realize that it is we as human beings influenced by our traditions and customs that despises homosexuality, not god. We claim that God hates homosexuality but who are we to judge? Furthermore, lets face it, we are no longer in a traditional society, we are living in a time of modernised civilization where liberalism is supposed to be prevalent in society. Similarly, many people who were religious would physically assault their wives and claim that it is acceptable to God because it is their wives and God gives them the authority to punish their wives. I am no much better than someone who is gay or bi because i am a human being in as much as they are and who am i to judge when my heart might be darker in deeds than the gay man standing next to me.

Furthermore, homosexuality is a part of life, not something you turn into as many people claim. Homsexuality is who those people are and want to be which i find no objection with because it is their lives and whether god hates the mor not is not for me to decide or to judge.

Side: No
1 point

I agree with everything you said except that all gays WANT to be gay. Some don't, some do, but it's a hard thing either way.

Side: No
1 point

yah!!! i agree. some gays hate bieng gay- who want to be hated?

Side: No
1 point

I agree. I didn't choose to be bisexual. It just happened. I am not however, what the world imagines me as. I am currently in a relationship with a guy and I'm in love. I could just as easily fall in love with a girl.

Side: No
1 point

I personally am a Wiccan not a Christian, I believe that the God or Goddess made all of us how we are and loves us all the same. I'm bisexual and I know my Goddess loves me.

Side: No

=D It would seem we have much in common. (Dumb fifty character rule.)

Side: No
1 point

God doesn't have hatred for anyone! Although homosexuality does make him angry, because it goes against what he believes in, which is clearly stressed to us in the Holy Bible!!!

Side: No
1 point

Oh, well I dare say that he doesn't particularly like them very much, but hate is such a strong word, and I don't think that god is one to hold grudges. Oh, and don't use the word 'fag' either. I don't think god likes that word either.

Side: No
Peekaboo(704) Disputed
1 point

"I abhorred them" (Leviticus 20:23) were the words God used, speaking of men who had committed sodomy. The Hebrew word translated as "abhor" doesn't differ much in meaning from the English translation ( http://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/ hebrew/kjv/quwts-2.html ). So it's pretty appropriate to say that God hates fags.

In using the word "fag" I was copying the Westboro Baptist Church's slogan. Their reasoning was that the word was derived from "faggot", which in turn was derived from the bundles of twigs bound together, which were used to light pyres to burn homosexuals alive. There's actually not much evidence to suggest that this is really how the words faggot and fag came to denote homosexuals. But this is the popularly accepted story, and references the historical religious persecution of homosexuals which many people (including the WBC) are attempting to maintain in modern times, hence I kept this term.

Side: yes

God doesn't hate anyone, He is a loving God. God only hates sin, He doesn't hate the sinner.

Side: No
Peekaboo(704) Disputed
0 points

Gonna post this again:

If, as you say, God doesn't hate people, then why did he say: "I abhorred them" (Leviticus 20:23), with "them" referring to people who committed homosexual acts?

Side: yes

Noo!!!! what kind of retardid debate is this this is stupid and pointless everyone knows god doesnt hate fags.

Side: No
Peekaboo(704) Disputed
1 point

Read this verse:

'If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads... You must not live according to the customs of the nations I am going to drive out before you. Because they did all these things, I abhorred them.' (Leviticus 20:13-23)

The Bible quotes God saying that he hates people who participate in homosexual activities.

Side: yes
1 point

I disagree I looked at my vocabulary book and it said to dislike ,to despise not to hate now lets look up hates meaning it means whole other diffrent thing then abhor or dislike. Hate:to wish evil upon something,to wish it were dead. So tell me did I change your mind or do you have a disputing argument to back it up.

Side: No
1 point

And plus god can dislike and at the same time love he just doesnt like the man/Womens choice.

Side: No
1 point

Are you seriously asking if God hates one of His creations? I'd have to vote no. God doesn't hate gays. Would you be asking the same if this were back pre-Civil Rights movement if God hates blacks? You wouldn't now. It's because God doesn't hate. These groups of people that extremists promote hate towards by using God's name in vain are doing the Devil's work.

All men (and women) are created equal. Period. Every "God hates ____" sign you create makes another atheist or convert to another religion. Because people don't want to worship a God who hates His creation. I'd love another non-violent Civil Rights act to pass gay marriage. Then the next generation would be one step further from prejudice and hate and one step closer to peace and equality.

So please, stop telling me that my God hates people. That's not the Christian thing to do or believe.

Side: No
1 point

No. God hates cigarettes, because they cause cancer. ;)

Side: No
1 point

I think this site says it all LOL -- http://www.god-does-not-hate-fags.com

Supporting Evidence: God Does Not Hate Fags (www.god-does-not-hate-fags.com)
Side: No

There are millions and millions of homosexuals in Heaven and those who previously despised them now feel bad for having done so.

Side: No
0 points

God doesn't exist, God is an idea, he or it exists only in the minds of humans. Does God hate fags, no, some humans do though, and i iamgine they were they ones who wrote it in the bible.

Side: No