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 Does Hollywood promote the homosexual lifestlye? (57)

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Does Hollywood promote the homosexual lifestlye?

When Hollywood portrays homosexual relationships it is always done in a positive light. The characters are healthy, happy and very normal. However when it is a heterosexual relationship; the characters are dysfunctional and plagued with social disorders. Consider that homosexuals are shown in long term committed relationships were as heterosexual ones are  one night stands. There are exceptions of course, But I see a general trend that devalues traditional families and promotes just about everything else.  This is not always done in a very straight forward manner. It is often done very subtly through inference and through the way you portray something,

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4 points

Homosexuality is not a 'lifestyle' first and forth most, as recognized by every major physiological, sociological and psychiatrist association throughout the world. Second of all, if you watch shows pre-1960, the sexism and racism in them would make you squirm. Nowdays, that kinds of stuff would never be allowed on television. It's the same with the current trend towards inclusiveness. Hollywood is not promoting 'Gayness', which isn't even possible to 'promote' I may add, but is showing real, committed and loving gay relationships -- just like any other relationship, as they are in real life. Gay people are not any different from people of other sexualities besides the gender they are attracted to and the growing REAL -- not positive, negative or neutral -- but REAL representation of Gay people will continue to show this.

Side: Diversity is NOT a curse
TERMINATOR(6780) Disputed
1 point

but is showing real, committed and loving gay relationships

Now you are equating hollywood to real life?

I've seen pre-1960s shows - they were more family-oriented than anything on TV now.

Are you disputing that homosexuals do not have different lifestyles then heterosexuals?

Frankly, I think that calling them 'gays' would be offensive.

Side: Diversity is NOT a curse
Saffron(94) Disputed
2 points

Of course they were. But then you look at how the women are showed to be 'pets' of their husbands and black people are still called 'niggers'. All things that we know today shouldn't be tolerated. Yes, they had wholesome old-time values on many things, but that has nothing to do with Gay people.

A 'lifestyle' seems to indicate an all encompassing difference. If you define lifestyle as preferring one gender over the other, then yes -- I guess so. But I on the other hand really don't think that what someone does in the bedroom, or who they prefer to look at, changes them much or makes them radically different than anyone else. In that regard, no, gay people do not have a difference lifestyle than any heterosexual.We read books. We go out with our spouses on date nights. We go to dinner parties. We watch out favorite television shows.

I mean, please!

Side: Diversity is NOT a curse
jstantall(178) Disputed
1 point

just like any other relationship, as they are in real life.

In real life polyamory (gay or straight) has serious consequences that Hollywood never shows. That's not real life, that's deception. But I guess it makes sense. I mean how many people would buy my new energy drink if I told them it contained poison that would slowly kill them.

What I'd like to see in Hollywood is truth in advertising. If you want to sell homosexuality, fine. But tell the whole story. Not just the half that makes it look good. Everything comes with a price, it's deceptive not to disclose that cost. That's my beef and it's got nothing to do with gay people. If you want to be gay, fine just don't ask me to accept it. I will however tolerate it, and that requires me first to disagree with it. You don't tolerate things you accept.

Side: Increasingly so Yes
3 points

No! Indeed, I find that many movies and TV shows (i.e. Silence of the Lambs, CSI, Law & Order, etc) make homosexuals to look much worse than they actually are.

Side: Increasingly so Yes
3 points

Hell yeah. It's sickening. Especially when they kiss. On T.V.?? There are kids watching! WTF!!?!?

I bet this is one of the first signs of the apocolypse or something. Faggots being shown in a good light in the media. We've already got 'Benders', Next thing we'll have paedophile-enders, incest-enders, zoophile-enders and any other sickfuck TV soap drama made possible. We'll have people fucking metal, wood, leaves, insects, sulith, kittens, little babies, fans and everything under the sun.

It's wrong. WRONG!!!

Side: Increasingly so Yes
3 points

I like your passion, your comments made me chuckle.

The minimum length for an argument is 50 characters. The purpose of this restriction is to cut down on the amount of dumb jokes, so we can keep the quality of debate and discourse as high as possible.

Side: Increasingly so Yes
2 points

Lol!

That's what my parents tell me all the time. Not word for word, but that's the general messege.

Side: Increasingly so Yes
Saffron(94) Disputed
1 point

So you are comparing loving, committed relations between two adults to relationships in which one party cannot consent? Wow, I have to admit when I saw your argument at first, I was seriously hoping that you were kidding. And then I remembered that there are still people like you left on the earth, which made me a bit sad, until I remembered that it's just a matter of time before you die out -- the way of George Wallace and Anti-Suffragists. I'll see you in another fifty years...or will I? ;]

Side: Diversity is NOT a curse
TERMINATOR(6780) Disputed
1 point

There were Ancient Greek cities that condones homosexuality. Homophobia, however, never died out. I cannot envision a discontinuance of homophobia - it has been embedded in our cultures for well over two thousand years.

Side: Diversity is NOT a curse
jstantall(178) Disputed
1 point

What a very tolerant thing to say; it's just a matter of time before you die out. How loving you must be to those who disagree with you. Oh the intolerance of tolerance.

And what was your point other than how you hate those who disagree with you?

Side: Increasingly so Yes

I'm kinda gonna hell for this, but I don't give a damn.

It is disgusting seeing to men or two women kissing on TV. Star Trek has two episodes like that, and they are the only two that I will ever avoid. They had that on Day 1 of 24, as well.

We'll have people fucking metal, wood, leaves, insects, sulith, kittens, little babies, fans and everything under the sun.

YOU CAN READ ABOUT STUFF (AND PROBABLY SEE IT) ON THE INTERNET!! HOW MUCH LONGER UNTIL IT REACHES TV AND NORMALCY!?!

[EDIT]

I just noticed that you included 'sulith' in there!

Side: Increasingly so Yes
Saffron(94) Disputed
1 point

Gay people think heterosexual sex is just as disgusting, btw. ;] Does it really bother you so much to see two people of the same sex in love? Unless your watching the gay porn channel, it doesn't usually go beyond kissing...so your extreme 'sensitives' are really not the concern of the rest of us. ^^;;

Also, the 'slope' argument has been done again and again, and has been debunked again and again. It's really one of the most pathetic arguments I've heard of.

Side: Diversity is NOT a curse
1 point

Lol I know.

Please don't tell me it wasn't funny.

Side: Increasingly so Yes
1 point

you are absolutely right. If some people want to be gey, ok that is not a problem, that's their choice but such relationships should not be popularized by TV and other mass media. I don't understand why gey relations are allowed and for example paid sex services are not allowed. I don't see any point in such laws.

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Side: Increasingly so Yes
2 points

Homosexuality is fashionable. Every show has homosexual storylines. However judging by your description, the issue you are trying to convey is 'Does Hollywood promote the homosexual lifestyle positively?'

I'm afraid the answer is yes. Target audiences are being sent messeges that not only is it ok to be gay, but beneficial.

Side: Increasingly so Yes
dacey(1040) Disputed
1 point

How is it beneficial ?

Side: Increasingly so Yes
TopShottah(41) Disputed
2 points

When has a homosexual relationship been shown in a bad light? We need to take into consideration I may have only seen a minority of TV shows or movies where homosexual relationships have been included.

The two participating in the relationship are shown in the good light whereas those outside of the relationship are the only ones to bring them unhappiness, such as family unwilling to accept their sexuality.

Yet in heterosexual relationships there are fights, arguments, disagreements and everything else that comes hand in hand with relationships.

I haven't made an opinion on homosexuality, but the media unfairly and biasly has.

edit: did you downvote me? If so, why?

Side: Increasingly so Yes
1 point

homosexuality is not, it isn not even beneficial to the person themselves, :) im glad you pointed that out. It is just offenseive to most people and i was raised that a man is to be with a woman and a woman is to be with a man.

Side: Increasingly so Yes
2 points

In debating this question I think we need to be careful to make a distinction between the act and the person. My debate focuses on the act and not the person.

My debate simply asks the question does Hollywood put homosexuality, the act, in a positive light and cast heterosexuality, the act, in a negative light. I think it does. Is this intentional? That's debatable. So let's keep the debate on target.

If you think it does, gives examples. If you don't, tell us why. This is not a debate about the merits of any lifestyle.

I'm also considering removing post that are off subject in order to provide clarity.

Side: Increasingly so Yes
Saffron(94) Disputed
2 points

I should point out that as the instigator of the question its your job to establish a basis, not ours.

Anyway, I apologize if I in anyway have contributed to off topic-ness, however I wasn't the one who made the off topic arguments, I simply responded to them.

BACK ON TOPIC; ;]

I'd say that the preposition that the media is Pro-Gay is under the same label as people who claim the media is trying to brainwash everyone to worship Marx and Stalin. It simply isn't based in reality. Although I think one reason you may see what you see is because in most shows, representing reality, let's say you have four main relationships.

3 are straight.

1 is gay.

I don't think you can say that all of the straight relationships are promiscuous like your saying, but a few probably are. I know that in all the shows I watch [I'm a MAJOR ABC, Fox, CBS, NBC show fan...a bit to much ;] ] that the heterosexual couples are usually presented as being fairly stable, and yes every now and then [I'd say 30-35%] are more promiscuous. But that's cause they have numerous heterosexual couples to play around with and only one gay couple.

Side: Diversity is NOT a curse
jstantall(178) Disputed
0 points

I did establish a basis. I put forth what I saw and that was the basis for my question. I could be mistaken. But I would be naive if I thought media was unbiased. Everyone has a point of view they bring to the table; a way in which they see the world. Therefore every form of communication is an effort in some way to get others to see the world as you do. Or to put another way, if you think something is good and true you will promote it. It could be Marxism, Atheism or homosexuality. And I think you should promote it. But, I think an idea should stand or fall based on it's merits. It should not be propped up by coercion and intimidation.

So to answer the question " Does Hollywood promote the homosexual lifestyle?" Of course it does, along with a whole host of other things. That's what media does and that's the whole point of advertising. The real question is the value of the goods being sold. I think it's rubbish, therefore I'm not buying. I want something better.

Side: Increasingly so Yes
2 points

Hollywood is in the business of promoting Hollywood. It's there to try to sell itself, because if it doesn't do that, it loses money.

Making money means catching all the niche markets. Because everybody belongs to a niche market, it's simply that the nature of that niche varies from person to person. Hollywood has a vested interest in portraying niche markets in a positive light. Ergo, if you want to sell to the homosexual market, make them look good because everybody likes to look good.

Marketing is a huge thing in the media. Giving a good example, have you noticed the predominance of Goths in mainstream media lately? Somebody picked up on the fact that Goths like to see Goths on TV, and suddenly Abby is making NCIS shine. It makes them money. The same holds true of the portrayal of homosexual relationships. I have lesbian friends who have not only watched every episode of "The L Word", they've bought into every piece of merchandise they could find that even vaguely relates to the show.

I don't believe that Hollywood is intentionally promoting homosexuality to the detriment of heterosexuality, I think that in attempting to secure their hold over that section of their market, they are simply loathe to portray it in a negative light for fear of losing their grip.

Side: Media tries to sell itself
1 point

Hollywood promotes the selling of popcorn. Homosexuals eat popcorn. But only homosexuals can eat popcorn happily, healthfully and very very normally. Heterosexuals eating popcorn are sad, pathetic,

dysfunctional and plagued with social disorders, and they most likely only eat popcorn with a one-night stand.

Its all part of the lifestyle.

Side: eat popcorn
1 point

Of course they would why wouldn't they?

I mean Hollywood makes everything seem right? Right?!

Not only the government also Hollywood make Homos look like its a perfectly good thing.

Hollywood promotes drugs.

Homosexuality is false no one is "Gay" they just try to act like it or think like a "gay" person. No human is "gay" no one is born "gay".

It's usually a symptom of depression and being "gay" would be some type of way to comfort themselves or to make themselves "feel better".

I guarantee you no "gay" person is ever happy they just act like it and if you are "gay" 'and post a dispute saying your happy your a liar.

I've known "gays" on their death-bed who were unhappy with their life still!

Being gay is a very emotional and physical problem.

Side: Increasingly so Yes
Saffron(94) Disputed
1 point

Lol. Kay. But I'm quite happy. My friends accept me. My family accepts me. Most people are moving to accepting me, as I am. ;] So you know more about me and my life over the internet than I know about myself? -Bows- Oh great master, what sayeth you about global warming and genocide? (;-;)

A little reading for you;

http://www.apa.org/topics/sexuality/orientation.aspx

http://www.psych.org/Departments/EDU/Library/APAOfficialDocumentsandRelated/PositionStatements/197310.aspx ( This was all the way back in 1973 ;O ]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7456588.stm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior

http://www.thestar.com/living/article/754538--two-moms-are-as-good-as-a-mom-and-a-dad-study

"Dr Qazi Rahman, a lecturer in cognitive biology at Queen Mary, University of London, said that he believed that these brain differences were laid down early in foetal development.

"As far as I'm concerned there is no argument any more - if you are gay, you are born gay," he said. "

Side: Diversity is NOT a curse
Kinda(1649) Disputed
2 points

That is sickening.

It's just an excuse for gay people to be gay.

It's the same as saying violent people are born violent. agrophobes are born with agrophobia.

There may be small development of faggotry when you're born.. but it's the rest of your life that influences your sexuality.

In some people the desire to be a sickfuck is crushed if they've been raised well. In others it grows because of their life experiences.

Side: Increasingly so Yes
Sulith(508) Disputed
1 point

I highly doubt you are, I majored in psychology.

So those "reference" sites are nothing new to me, I've seen them before and they all say the same crap because well because, it's obvious they support disruptive behavior.

Ok, so if being gay is a "birth defect" or a mental problem..let me ask you this?

They have AN (Alcoholics Anonymous) for people with drinking problems. They have NA (Narcotic Anonymous) for people abusing drugs.

These are government programs to help people with their specific problem, am I correct?

So if they have those for people who have "Problems" maybe they should have ones for people who think they are "gay".

HA: Homosexuals Anonymous?

I'm only going by what evidence you gave me in these sites and by my own beliefs.

Side: Diversity is NOT a curse
jstantall(178) Disputed
1 point

Yes, you are right we are all born with a whole host of predispositions. And becoming an adult and growing to adulthood means that you learn to control them and suppress them when necessary. It's called adulthood. To act on every whim with out control is known as childish.

Also, I noticed a lot of "me's" in your comment. It sounds as if you care more about yourself than others. By that I mean; it means more to you what others think of you than how you make others feel. Just my observation from what you wrote. And self-absorption is a characteristic of childhood.

Side: Increasingly so Yes
1 point

Some great and recent-ish movies I've seen that focus on homosexuality: My Own Private Idaho - Mike dies/will probably die; Boys Don't Cry - Brandon and Lana die; Brokeback Mountain - Jack dies; Bent - everyone dies. I feel like a part of Hollywood associates homosexuality with drugs, promiscuity and death, while another (more popular) part depicts homosexuals as hilarious hairdressers and fashion-forward best friends.

Side: Increasingly so Yes

Most movies are heterosexual, so, the homosexual lifestyle is hardly promoted. This is 2015 and there are very few movies up to now that have promoted homosexuality.

Side: Increasingly so Yes
1 point

Promote? No.

Display? Sure. Same as heterosexual lifestyles.

Side: Increasingly so Yes
1 point

Does Hollywood promote the homosexual lifestyle?

Hello:

And, if it did, what of it?? The heterosexual lifestyle is certainly promoted. If you don't like it, use the on/off button.. If that's not good enough, don't see that move or read that book..

excon

Side: Increasingly so Yes