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Does Nazi stand for national socialist workers party or national capitalists?

Nazi Party, byname of National Socialist German Workers’ Party, German Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (NSDAP), political party of the mass movement known as National Socialism. Under the leadership of Adolf Hitler, the party came to power in Germany in 1933 and governed by totalitarian methods until 1945.


Therein Nazism imitated communism. Its dynamism was bound to expand and to spread. By its own nature it could not recognize any limits to its own volition, only limits set by opposed superior forces.


From January 1931 it was headed by Ernst Röhm, who harboured radical anticapitalist notions and dreamed of building the SA into Germany’s main military force. Under Röhm SA membership, swelled from the ranks of the Great Depression’s unemployed, grew to 400,000 by 1932 and to perhaps 2,000,000—20 times the size of the regular army—by the time that Hitler came to power in 1933.


https://www.britannica.com/topic/Nazi-Party/The-Nazi-Party-and-Hitlers-rise-to-power

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Does Nazi stand for national socialist workers party or national capitalists?

Hello hater:

The full name of Adolf Hitler's Nazi Party, the political movement that brought him to power and supplied the infrastructure of the fascist dictatorship over which he would preside, was Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, the National Socialist German Workers' Party.

According to historians, the complicated moniker reveals more about the image the party wanted to project and the constituency it aimed to build than it did about the Nazis' true political goals, which were building a state based on racial superiority and brute-force governance.

Given that Nazism is traditionally held to be an extreme right-wing ideology, the party's conspicuous use of the term "socialist" — which refers to a political system normally plotted on the far-left end of the ideological spectrum, — but has more to do with partisans seeking to DISTANCE themselves from the GENOCIDAL TAINT of Nazi Germany.

https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/09/05/were-nazis-socialists/

excon

Side: National Socialists Workers Pa
ViceMaga(171) Disputed
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Snopes is left wing, and was created by two leftists running the operation out of their basement in Canada. It was originally used to attempt to debunk "urban legends" and only got into politics in recent history. Many of its own claims have been debunked. It's owners have also been in court multiple times for plagiarism. Britannica is an authoritative source that is recognized as such by both American parties. It is the same Britannica that creates the Encyclopedia Britannica.

Side: National capitalists
excon(17785) Disputed
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Snopes is left wing, and was created by two leftists running the operation out of their basement in Canada.

Hello V:

Is the WaPo more to your liking? Nahh. Here's what they say on the issue:

....Instead of controlling the means of production or redistributing wealth to build a utopian society, the Nazis focused on safeguarding a social and racial hierarchy.....

To BELIEVE that Nazi's were socialist's, is the fucking CRAZIEST shit I've heard in a long time.. But, it's not just WORDS, is it.. Nahh.. It's the DEMONIZING of leftists. It's the dog whistle you HOPE somebody will hear, like the fucking right wing nut who broke into Nancy Pelosi's house. You have GUNS aimed at libs like me, don't you??

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/02/05/right-needs-stop-falsely-claiming-that-nazis-were-socialists/

excon

Side: National Socialists Workers Pa
Nicephorus(206) Disputed
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Given that Nazism is traditionally held to be an extreme right-wing ideology

By the modern left and only in recent times because it was politically inconvenient for modern left wing parties in the West. In "The Road to Serfdom", it is referred to as a left wing movement. "the Road to Serfdom" was written in the 1940s and was published in many mainstream publications in America during that time such as Reader's Digest. Its author, Friedrich Hayek, was a liberal. Of course in those days, liberalism and Socialism were at odds rather than in a political alliance as it is today. He argued that as (classical) liberalism decayed, tyranny would prevail. When he said liberalism he meant free speech, etc, which is what liberalism used to be. Today's left has never existed before, so this distinction has to be made that in 1944, liberalism and Socialism were bitter enemies because their beliefs were polar opposite. The left today is a mixture of the woke mob, which resembles past authoritarian ideologies and classical liberals. Classical liberals like Bill Maher don't recognize the modern left because it is no longer classically liberal.

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Gannakis(18) Clarified
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According to historians, the complicated moniker reveals more about the image the party wanted to project and the constituency it aimed to build than it did about the Nazis' true political goals

You're right about this. Back in the early 1930s when the Nazis were on the rise, Communist ideology was sweeping across Europe like an unstoppable tide. The Nazis were vehemently opposed to it, but at the same time had the problem of not being able to win enough votes without forging a policy to appease and attract voters from the German left. Hence, they misrepresented themselves in the early stages until they had won absolute power in Germany, even taking on board genuine left wing politicians into their ranks. Of course, once the Nazis had obtained full control, Hitler then promptly had the entire left wing of his party murdered, in what became known as the night of the long knives.

Side: National Socialists Workers Pa
ViceMaga(171) Disputed
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Even taking on board genuine left wing politicians into their ranks

So you admit the NAZIs had leftists in their ranks. Welp, that seals up that argument.

Side: National capitalists
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Does Nazi stand for national socialist workers party or national capitalists?

Hello:

Lemme see if I've connected the dots right.. Nazis are socialists. Bernie Sanders is a socialist. Bernie Sanders is a Democrat. Ergo, Democrats are Nazis..

Amirite?

excon

Side: National Socialists Workers Pa
BrontoLite(712) Disputed
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Nazis are socialists.

True

Bernie Sanders is a socialist.

Bernie Sanders is a Capitalist grifter that learned he could make money off of pretending to be a Socialist.

Bernie Sanders is a Democrat

True

Ergo, Democrats are Nazis..

No. Nazis are Socialists. That doesn't automatically invert into all Socialists are Nazis. Putin isn't a Nazi. He is a Socialist, self proclaimed. But Nazis are all Socialists. It's similar to gold is a metal, but not all metals are gold. You followed that, eh Con?

Democrats are a lot of things. Some are liberals. Some are ANTIFA. Some are Commies, but not ANTIFA. Some are Conservative but vote Democrat anyway. Most are just regular people that think the media are real, so they believe every line of crap that said media puts in front of them with nary a question or a doubt. Therefore, they are Democrats via ignorance. And some are Democrats simply because they hate Republicans and couldn't care less about fiscal policies, logic or reason, aka the Young Turks. And finally, some are Democrats because they were Democrats in 1963 and don't realize the modern Democratic Party is nothing like the Democratic Party in 1963, but is an authoritarian woke cult that strongly resembles the self righteous, religious nutjob in oh, say 1837? See a witch? Put em on trial and burn em. Said a word you disapprove of? Shame em. Attacks the ideology? Destroy them. Must feel weird to older Democrats to be the party of pointing out sins and attacking anyone who commits one, eeeeeeeeeh Con? I just can't wait to see the next generation of lefties pulling out crucifixes and sprinkling holy water on their political opponents. It'll just be epic...

Side: National capitalists
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European Business, Dictatorship, and Political Risk, 1920-1945

Nazi dominance left businesses “almost incapable of asserting their own interests against those of the state” (p. 70).

https://eh.net/book_reviews/european-business-dictatorship-and-political-risk-1920-1945/

Side: National capitalists
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The Road to Serfdom

This spell-binding book is a classic in the history of liberal ideas. It was singularly responsible for launching an important debate on the relationship between political and economic freedom.

What F.A. Hayek saw, and what most all his contemporaries missed, was that every step away from the free market and toward government planning represented a compromise of human freedom generally and a step toward a form of dictatorship--and this is true in all times and places. He demonstrated this against every claim that government control was really only a means of increasing social well-being. Hayek said that government planning would make society less liveable, more brutal, more despotic. Socialism in all its forms is contrary to freedom.

Nazism, he wrote, is not different in kind from Communism. Further, he showed that the very forms of government that England and America were supposedly fighting abroad were being enacted at home, if under a different guise. Further steps down this road, he said, can only end in the abolition of effective liberty for everyone.

Capitalism, he wrote, is the only system of economics compatible with human dignity, prosperity, and liberty. To the extent we move away from that system, we empower the worst people in society to manage what they do not understand.

https://mises.org/library/road-serfdom-0

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Righteo(12) Clarified
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What F.A. Hayek saw, and what most all his contemporaries missed, was that every step away from the free market and toward government planning represented a compromise of human freedom

What F.A. Hayek missed is that the "free market" has never existed, since entry and competition in the market require vast swathes of capital which poor people simply cannot afford. "Free market" is a capitalist oxymoron which somehow has crept its way into natural, unironic language.

Side: National Socialists Workers Pa