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Does Religion Make An Individual Delusional?

This question brings other questions into the mix such as are Christians, Muslims, Hindus Delusional? Are The Religion(s) Correct or Incorrect? The list continues on however nonetheless I will start out with my opinion in my first argument. Good Luck to all who encounter this b/c it is going to be a diverse mess of views and perspectives. And one last thing please do not bash on the person himself but you can bash the religion.

Yes

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Side Score: 15
2 points

only if you place your trust and faith in a false god ... and/or worshiping the mind of man (atheism)

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understanding the wisdom of God

Side: Yes
Jacobcoolguy(2428) Clarified
2 points

I think its kind of inaccurate to tell someone that atheism is a religion. It just mean lack of belief in God or a god or any higher deistic power. It doesn't mean you worship your mind, its just a broad category for anyone who isn't religious or has any beliefs in the supernatural.

Side: Yes
AtheistBSA(72) Clarified
1 point

This is off topic, atheism is not a religion, and what if you are worshipping the wrong god?

Side: Yes
Atrag(5666) Disputed
1 point

Well you have around a 1 in 200 of choosing the right God so...

Side: No
1 point

"Delusional": A false belief held in spite of invalidating evidence.

Well, the case can certainly be made.

Side: Yes
dadman(1703) Clarified
1 point

your post above ....... are the letters / spaces and punctuation - are they of A or B

A = random / mindless / no structured sequence (just where they happened to land) .. or

B = design / code / information / intent / writer-reader / speaker-listener / agenda driven / intelligence

Side: Yes
Saintnow(3684) Clarified
1 point

This is too simple, try to say something complicated so the atheists and haters of God have more of an excuse for blocking out the truth.

Side: Yes
1 point

Surely makes the "Islamic Terrorist" delusional but we must dismiss that !

Side: Yes
1 point

Yes, religion makes an individual delusional. Religion is one's attempt to justify him or her self (or "it's" self in this day of gender confusion). Atheists do this by making their own mind the personal little god of themselves, telling themselves their life is justified because they had no choice in existing. Religious people who believe in God generally try to justify themselves by trying to be decent, good, kind, lawful (which of course atheists may also do, though most of them are various sorts of perverts, liars, thieves, covenant breakers, murderers, backbiters, envious, lovers of their own selves, disobedient to parents, idolizing people like themselves, and so forth as they keep telling themselves they are justified in life because it was not their choice to be here.)

People who live in reality have the practical common sense to know they do not deserve anything good, they do not deserve a moment of time outside of Hell, they do not deserve to get out of reality in death as they owe a debt to God for bringing them into existence and they seek security in His mercy rather than being religious trying to justify themselves like self-deluded atheists do. God said He would send them strong delusion because they love lies, and the more they love their sin the stronger their delusion becomes, the more they want to believe their lives are self-justified, the more they provoke God's wrath as He reluctantly gives them what they want (because God is good and gives you the desires of your heart, even if it means complete absence of anything good from Him in the fire of Hell) a delusion of life with no God.

People who say their is no God are denying anything good is from God, they want a reality void of God's goodness, and the only place they can really have that is in the fire of Hell. God is being good to atheists preferring to draw them in to reason with Him so He can show them His mercy, but they won't have it, they want their own way, yet somehow think it's God's fault if they wake up in Hell. Talk about deluded....wow

Side: Yes
Cartman(18192) Disputed
1 point

Oh my goodness. You are so funny. This is hilarious. Thanks for the laugh.

Side: No
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

I didn't know you laughed ever, and I sure know your goodness is polluted, rotten, good only for dying and not goodness at all.

Side: Yes
Cartman(18192) Disputed
1 point

Religion is one's attempt to justify him or her self (or "it's" self in this day of gender confusion).

This describes you perfectly.

Atheists do this by making their own mind the personal little god of themselves

You have made yourself into God many times on here. This is you all day.

telling themselves their life is justified because they had no choice in existing.

This is your belief. You think there is no real choice.

which of course atheists may also do

Actually, statistically speaking, they do better than religious people.

People who live in reality have the practical common sense to know they do not deserve anything good

This is the definition of depression. This is what psychiatrists help people figure out is not true for clinically depressed patients. You aren't describing reality, you are describing your depression symptoms. You don't need God, you need mental help.

they want a reality void of God's goodness

This is not true at all. Thinking that God doesn't exist doesn't mean you don't want Him to exist.

Side: No
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

Fartman, how do you think you will get out of reality?;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;

Side: Yes
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

If you deserve anything good, who do you sue when it is all taken away from you? You're losing it, Fartman, your going to wake up in Hell. Are you in a wheelchair?

Side: Yes
1 point

History proves this again and again. They utilize faith as fact, in-fridge their morality on other people, even when it has no basis in common sense. They believe in some imaginary friend, who in reality has a history of periodically being as bad as Hitler, if not worse. They utilize these imaginary beliefs to discriminate, punish and outcast other people. I can go on, but I wont.

For example, Jews and Muslims are banned from marrying outside of their religion. They subjugate members of their religion, to genital mutilation. They've all had periods of craziness, even though they deny it. The Jews without a doubt killed and crucified Jesus. The Muslims, are currently in the spot light, and they murder ruthlessly to spread their religion, note that their religion stemmed from Christianity. The Christians (who were once Jewish), have murdered ruthlessly in order to spread their religion.

Orthodox Jews go around calling themselves, the chosen people. They selectively help people that are part of their religion and cut corners for each other, to a higher degree than other groups. I've seen it on multiple occasions. This includes giving each other jobs, tuition breaks, gifts etc ... They are like white people, except they do it to a higher degree. Yet, they don't understand why groups of people have mixed feelings about them.

Side: Yes
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

You are banned from being in Heaven. Trying to say God is bad won't help.

Side: No
Ignoramis(381) Disputed
1 point

But God is bad. Think about how many of the 10 commandments God has broken himself. I wouldn't want to be a part of world that a creature like that created.

Side: Yes
1 point

Yes it indeed does, how can we say that religion does not make an individual delusional, when the mere basis of religion is believing in something which you have no proof of, and praying to stones and actually thinking that there is an omnipotent thing which actually know what will happen next, has the power to change it but still just sits there allow kids to get raped

Side: Yes
2 points

Depends on the belief/religion itself. My view is if the religion has at least a decent bit of evidence such as Judaism and Christianity the person is not delusional for believing in that god because the evidence led to him. Now if the religion is something like Polytheistic Paganism and Pastafarianism than the person is most likely delusional because there is no evidence their physical gods or drawings are real and exist outside the physical realm. In Conclusion Christians and Jews are not delusional, however Polytheists and the Flying Spaghetti Monster Advocates are most likely delusional.

Side: No
Deli_Subs(108) Clarified
1 point

Just to clarify the decent bit of evidence for Christians I was pertaining to valid evidence such as Resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth, 0 Contradictory Statements Throughout The Bible, 300 Prophecies for Jesus' Prediction of Deity, etc.

Side: Yes
sylynn(626) Disputed
2 points

When trying to argue that evidence exists for any Biblical claims, your evidence needs to exist outside of the Bible. There is no evidence to the resurrection or prophecies outside the Bible. The reason this is necessary is because you can't use the Bible to prove the Bible. As far as contradictions, the Bible is packed full of them

http://infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html

Side: Yes
IAmSparticus(1516) Clarified
1 point

Except Polytheistic Paganism has about as much evidence to support it (or at least some pantheons) as the Abrahamic Religions.

Side: Yes
2 points

"Does Religion Make An Individual Delusional?"

There are a lot of variables in answering that question and therefore even though yes might be a possibility I think no deserves the benefit of the doubt.

I believe one can become delusional in this spiritual walk if they misinterpret what the message is conveying. Some people professing to be experts in the field of particular religions can I believe at times become delusional which I'm making reference to (Jim Jones). If the religious message itself is a distortion of the truth I find that to be delusional.

Side: No
1 point

I do not think that just because a person classifies himself as an adherent to a particular religious faith that they are clinically delusional. At least not totally and in all aspects of life. Neither does being religious necessarily render a person delusional to the point of being dysfunctional in society.

BUT! Many religious people ARE delusional. This goes without saying. Your Islamist terrorists. Your Young Earthers. Your Creationists. Your biblical literalists.

All believe in delusions, such as, for example, that their god really parted a Sea for his peeps to escape through, or that a talking serpent tricked a woman into eating a fruit that condemned all of mankind for eternity.

These are simply, irrefutably, fantastical and absurd notions. Obviously meant to serve as allegorical tales in their respective books of fables. Never were they meant to be taken seriously.

Thus..anyone who DOES take them seriously, or reads the bible as a literal history or accounting of the Creation of the Cosmos, IS harboring delusional thoughts and ideas.

Look...if I told you that my grandfather rose from the dead after three days buried in a cave sealed by a boulder and then showed himself to me and let me stick my finger in his side so as to verify his reality, you would immediately--and correctly--diagnose me as being delusional.

The folks who believe that god wants them to kill people who don't believe as they do, or that unbelievers like me should be cast into some imaginary lake of fire, ARE just as delusional.

Many mental health professionals equate religious zealotry with psychosis. The psychiatrists' bible, the DSM, has a clinical dx in it for religious delusion. It exists. Thousands of people are delusional in their beliefs in gods and a personal and caring creator and in an evil and supernatural devil god.

And that, my friends, is a shame. Thus, I do what I can to try and shed some light into these poor souls' lives, and rescue them from their delusions.

SS

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religionandschizophrenia

Side: No
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

Your grandfather could not have risen from the dead, he was a sinner, held in chains of death like you. Only God is free from sin, only God can conquer death. You can be set free, and there is no need or point in insulting me for telling you this.

It's kinda like this: You go to a zoo and you see a bunch of caged monkeys. The sign by the cage says something like "these monkeys branched off from our common ancestor and remained lower primates while the guerillas in the next cage progressed to become great apes and we are the greatest ape of them all." You say to yourself something like "yes, I know this already, I figured it out a long time ago when I saw how my grandmother resembles and orangutan, and now I am more educated in evolution than the procratures of this zoo". Then you notice the door on the cage is not locked and you inform one of the keepers.

The keeper of the monkeys looks at you with thinly veiled amusement on his face as he is pleased to tell you how they trained the monkeys to remain in their cage. She explains "All of these monkeys were at first kept in the cage on ropes long enough to that they could climb on all the bars of the cage. They eventually gave up on trying to open the cage door, so we let them off the ropes and no longer need to bother with locking or unlocking the door". After she leaves, you try to show the monkeys they can run free but they just kind of ignore you. They are well fed and content, happy...some of them even have babies in their arms so you know they are having enough fun in their cage.

Over the years, they die off one by one, never having known true freedom while in their minds they were free to enjoy their lives in their cage.

In this story, you were playing the role of the Savior, trying to show the monkeys a better life of freedom. The ropes which trained the monkeys are sin holding them in their cage which is death. The monkeys had become so accustomed to living with the rewards of caged life, they lost the capacity to understand true freedom. The ropes were their masters, and they were trained to the point of no longer being able to comprehend freedom.

Then you get a knock at your door. Surprise, you see one of the monkeys holding the hand of the zookeeper. She says "this monkey followed you out of the cage. You didn't notice because it ran away from you. We tried to put it back in the cage, but when we did it became despondent, lethargic, not eating so we adopted it and kept in in the keepers house with the keepers. Now it is our mascot, and what a wonderful story we have of how you showed it freedom, and now we bring it to you as it is tamed, we wanted you to see what a wonderful thing you did". The little monkey shuffles right on over to you and puts it's arms around your legs, without words you know it's thanking you. That monkey will never be the same, and it's story will be told as long as the zoo or it's stories remain.

Now.......the little monkey who was set free is me. I saw a ray of light when I realized it was possible to go out the door. I didn't realize you were the Savior, but I loved the idea of being free and kept fighting to secure that freedom, and now I know who set me free. It was a person who came to my cage and showed me he opened the door. I cannot say thank you enough, and I only want to be like my Savior, living clean forever in reality with the one who gave His life to set me free, broke the chains of sin by smashing my cage when He took my cage on Himself and suffered and died in it, then rose from the dead and showed me the open door.

Jesus is the door, you can enter into eternal life through Him. Why fight against Him? You can't win that way. I hope you give it up, but I understand you probably never will.

Side: Yes
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

You should not be cast away into the Lake of Fire, but by denying God is good you are making for yourself a reality void of God's goodness. All good things come from God, and by saying nothing good is from God you are saying you want a reality void of God's goodness, even while He is being good to you. He's giving you time because He does not want you to have the reality you want, the only place such a reality exists is in inescapable fire. God does not want you to go there. That's why He died for you, and conquered death for you. If you will not side with Him against your sin and believe on Him, how can you say it is wrong for Him to reject you from life and leave you in Hell after He took your punishment in death?

Side: Yes
1 point

Idiocy and also disorders, is what causes people to be delusional..

You can be religious and rational as long as you are aware of what is sensible and insensible.

Side: No
1 point

I don't think religion makes an individual delusional. I think it can make a group it though. A person on their own can be smart, mostly. Put them in a group with a good leader who is great at subtly pushing his/her own belief on said group, you typically get a bunch of people who perpetuate arrogance and delusion of an epic proportion.

Side: No