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Yes, it needs reform. No, it works fine.
Debate Score:63
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Does The American Legal System Need Reform?

America Leads World For Most In Prison
Prison Numbers By Country (www.homeoffice.gov.uk)

Yes, it needs reform.

Side Score: 49
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No, it works fine.

Side Score: 14
8 points

The United States has the dubious distinction as the country most likely to throw someone in prison. Not only does the America have the highest imprisonment rate in the world, it also leads the world with the most people behind bars.

On any given day, more that 2 million people in the United States are locked up. China, the world's most populous country at 1.3 billion people and frequently the target of human rights complaints, with a population four times that of the U.S., has about 1.5 million people locked up on any given day, according to current sources. Prison sentences in the U.S. tend to be longer that those of most countries, and there also more laws in American criminal statutes that can send someone to prison. The United States claims to have the best legal system in the world, yet criminalizes and imprisons more people than any other country in the world. Clearly, there is a problem.

One problem is mandatory minimum sentences, which deny judges discretion during sentencing. Another problem is that the political system drives the legal system. Some legislators want to be known as being " tough on crime, so they push for longer sentences on crimes that have already harsh sentences. That's why Congress and some state legislatures are considered to be in the hands of prosecutors. Politics controlling the justice system can create a structural unfairness, especially since many state judges are elected by voters instead of being appointed by non-partisan authorities. Consider this: most of the people in U.S. prisons have been convicted of non-violent crimes, like drug and "vice"offenses. The legal system cries for reform.

Supporting Evidence: What's Wrong With The American Legal System? (www.iht.com)
Side: America The Prison Nation

Agreed.

Get rid of mandatory minimum sentences.

Reduce sentences for non-violent/vice crimes (users get off early, sellers stay longer).

Speed up Death Row (it shouldn't take 20 years till execution).

Apply the law equally (for example, mothers are more equal than fathers).

Side: Yes, it needs reform.
jstyler Disputed
1 point

We should never use the death penalty.

"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind." -Ghandi

This is especially true since we convict people using pseudo-science techniques like forensic dentistry, arson science, fingerprinting, police line-ups, and handwriting analysis. The only real concrete evidence is DNA.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110104/ts_alt_afp/scienceusjusticeprisoninnocent_20110104201612

Here, we are all supposed to be innocent until proven guilty, however, it seems to work the opposite way around.

The death penalty also seems to do more harm than good, reopening the wounds of the victims family and friends. Many victims have been interviewed on this issue and really, only they can reach closure on their own, not by retaliation against the perpetrator. It's really quite sick that people, having no part in the crime whatsoever, are quick to want death for another human being. We all make mistakes and death is never an appropriate punishment. We don't know what was going on in the mind of the murderer. That's something they have to live with.

This is just another symptom of our God-complex society where Average Joe somehow believes in his judgmental mind that he has the right to impose his personal judgment and punishment upon another human being. An equal.

Side: Yes, it needs reform.
2 points

Oh absolutely. We spend a ridiculous sum of money imprisoning people who, in my opinion, are in for such menial charges and first time offenses instead of putting a fraction of that money into rehabilitation organizations. Of course, in this current "neoconservative" government (whatever that means), federal agencies are being cut left right and center to make more cash for private interests and military, and of course, that includes any sort of post-prison or drug rehabilitation centers.

Consider that since 1998, prisons have become an actual enterprise, entering the sort of profitable privatization that built a $40 billion industry. And why shouldn't they? The government certainly has refused to put any change out on the table as inmate numbers continue to grow. If you go to this website: http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/prisons.htm

You can view the 2007 Prison Bureau stats yourself in detail. And who makes up the majority of said inmates? Low-level drug users and first time drug offenders. Fantastic. Because of them, there's simply no room for rapists and murderers, nor is there funding. Over the past 20 years, the number of drug arrests has gone up nearly 1000%.

In June of last year, 2,299,116 prisoners were in the federal system and almost 12% of those were incarcerated for drugs. Last May the number jumped to 1 in 100 adults imprisoned, the highest number in our nations history. Compared with the UK, we've locked up five times more of our citizens and a great portion of those for something that could be fixed outside of prison walls in less time and with fewer taxpayer dollars.

What is it with our administration? Why don't so many conservatives approve of federal programs to keep money in our pockets and give more citizens the help that they require? When an individual enters the system, his or her persona completely changes and so do opportunities in the future. Doesn't it make sense to take a portion from the funding to keep people locked up and put it towards helping them learn to stay out?

Overcrowded prison in Alaksa
Side: Bad policies
2 points

I agree, rather than imprisoning people for minimal crimes we should invest efforts to help them to recover from their addictions / issues so they can be reintroduced in to society and become productive members. Too many of our taxpayer dollars are spent by keeping people in prison that really shouldn't be in there in the first place.

They need to make room in these prisons for violent criminals rather than low level drug users / first time offenders.

Side: America The Prison Nation
5 points

The American legal system is definitely in need of reform (as are most legal systems) and I think it's integral to any system's continued efficiency to be continuously reevaluating itself over the course of time (in much the same way an automobile requires a routine check-up).

To concede that "all legal systems" have problems and then to use that as a core argument as to why our national legal system does not need to be reformed is failed logic and a perspective detrimental to the integrity and character of our courts.

Additionally, our legal system (in relation to our prison systems) constitutes a significant burden on American taxpayers and proportionately does little to invest in the betterment of the public interest or (that great and overused term) the public good.

Don't get me wrong, I am not advocating an lax legal system. On the contrary, a reform of our legal system should set precision and efficiency as its goal, to re-prioritize the requirements of incarceration and duration of sentences proportionate to the crimes committed, and due focus on the issues or crimes that receive an unjust punishment according to our current laws crowding our prisons and wasting our tax dollars.

Whether or not you agree or disagree with the attached proposal, it is very difficult to deny the obvious inconsistencies and glaring problems we face in our current legal system.

Supporting Evidence: Legal or Illegal (www.cnn.com)
Side: Legal or Illegal
4 points

Yes, it is broken. a problem is that the legal system reacts to instead of prevents crime. so many resources are put into punishing people when it could be used to preventing crime and the situations that encourage or create crime. and it goes overboard with certain drugs when there are far more dangerous substances (alcohol, tobacco, cocaine ect...) and people to worry about.

It seems that there are people in the american legal system with enough power to do something to fix the problems, but either they don't care, or they want the legal system to stay how it is, for i believe that sadly, money and race have an impact on who is punished and who isn't even in this country where we are all free and equal.

as for the death penalty, well, the only purpose i see it serves is punishment for if it did its job, there would be very few or no murders or crimes that are automatically punishable by death. Most of our allies have abolished it, and their murder rates aren't skyrocketing.

Side: Bad policies

The penal system here in the USA has needed reform for decades! This is supposed to be a rehabilitative system in which prisoners can enter back into society and be productive members within it. Instead we keep them for inordinate amounts of time and don't give them the tools to work with when they get back out there. They need education, psychotherapy, socialization skills, work possibilities and a myriad of additional services BEFORE they are released. Until we can get back to the original idea of a workable penal system our jails and prisons will always be full of people whose sentences are too long, whose appeals have been bogged down in bureaucracy and who deserve another chance at life through tried and true rehabilitation.

While I do not believe everyone can be rehabilitated I think that those who can be, should be. If they show themselves to be candidates then get them out of the type of prison that breeds more hatred and discontent than hope. The parole system needs some fine tuning as well! How can a person who spends 15-20 years of their lives behind bars be expected to come out, get a job, get a place to live and whatever else they expect them to do and be an immediate success? There's nothing wrong with more work programs or half-way houses for those that are trying to re-acclimate themselves into a new world. Why does this system not see that the statistics are very high for those that go back to prison within the first 2-3 years? We need reforms and we need them badly.

Side: Rehabilitation is key
1 point

Probation and parole is a gamble on individuals by our government. Anyone who has spent time in jail or prison is twice as likely to go back already. This is because even after they serve their time, pay their fees, whatnot, they are placed on parole or probation, which are often times private companies who charge a fee on a monthly basis. If one does not pay their fee, they go back to jail. Also, there are other stipulations like abstain from alcohol or drug use. What if the individual is an alcoholic or an addict who does not have any information about their disease? They will drink or use anyway. They have no choice in the matter other than to try to not go back behind bars, so they have to sneak around to do what they really want to do, only causing more dishonesty. This is the effect 'labeling' has in our society. If an individual is labeled a 'criminal,' they WILL be a criminal. They are sure to live up to their label. This example applies in impoverished communities as well: "They are poor, they are sure to rob us and sell drugs." Guess what? They do. Labels are detrimental and counter-active to what we are apparently aiming to achieve here: Truth and justice.

By putting an individual on court-ordered supervision, such as probation and parole, we are betting they will mess up at least one more time and for the justice system, this means more money and more control.

Side: Yes, it needs reform.
3 points

Those who study criminal justice issues are often faced with the question "What Works?" since answering that one takes less time than outlining the problems of the current system. Reform may in fact be the wrong word; tearing it out and starting over may be closer.

Our current system advocates punishment over intervention, harshness over leniency and marginalization over integration. The core of this problem began in the late 1970's, when it became a selling point for politicians to appear tough on crime. For many, that meant more prisons, harsher laws, three-strikes legislation and the like. And all of those measures fail to answer the question "What Works?" And for good reason. While we scold and punish, we fail to act on the core problem. What the criminal justice system in America requires is a total change in paradigm.

Consider the following. Housebreaking a puppy requires that you a) provide a place for him to go, b) show him what is the right thing to do and c)punish the bad behavior and reward the good. Our current system has half of c, and none at all of the other two. Is it surprising that it doesn't work? As a more real-world example, consider the case of Juan, a low-income kid with a drug habit, a gang and a juvenile record stretching back across assault, petty theft and a string of narco raps. He turns 18, robs a store for the cash to support his drug habit and gets busted. The court hands down a six-year sentence. While in prison, Juan gets straightened out. He gets his GED, he dries out from the drugs and he is a model prisoner. For that reason, he is released on parole after serving two years, four months.

Now for the kicker: where is Juan to go? Returning to his home, his family, the only place outside the prison walls that he knows, puts him right back in the same environment that he was in when he got into drugs and crime. He has no job, no skills, no experience. His criminal record acts as a bar from many types of employment (i.e. no security work, no liquor sales, etc, etc). He has no support network outside of the one he built when he was a criminal, and he has no real chance to build a new one, since he is now constrained to return to the old ways.

Is it surprising that Juan ends up back in jail? And this same scenario is repeated time after time after time, to the point where CJ students joke about the revolving-door prisons. The US has harsh laws, has incarceration as a punishment down to a fine art, but fails to rehabilitate or reintegrate the criminal. In essence, we perpetuate a criminal class.

No, it is not coincidence that I used a Hispanic name for my criminal. Hispanics are seven times more likely than whites and three times more likely than blacks to have criminal records. It has nothing to do with the national origin, and everything to do with environment, laws and perception. But that's another argument, or book of arguments...

Side: America The Prison Nation
1 point

well, my views on laws are very libertarian. but, my views on punishment are very conservative.

if we add those two together, we will have a lot less people in jail. more executions, but less reasons to get arrested.

Side: Yes, it needs reform.
1 point

Absolutely it needs reform. I know the perfect way to lower the crime rate and keep our jailed population low. If a person is convicted of rape, murder in the 1st or 2nd degree, or child molestation, execute them immediately. China has almost the same method and for every one murder in China, TWENTY occur in the U.S. Most people in jail view jail has a home sweet home, 3 hot meals a day, a bed to sleep in.

If we start executing these people and stop playing games such as; is this moral or immoral, but thats a human being too, this is not American,etc.

-Trust me, people will start to re-think whether or not the crime is worth it.

Side: Yes, it needs reform.
1 point

When you start saying we should base our legal system on China's then I know to stop taking you seriously.

You do understand that many people convicted of murder, rape or child molestation are wrongly accused sometimes, right? Killing them immediately ruins any chance of them becoming free in the future if new methods of investigation come along. We saw this when DNA testing was developed, and now hundreds of falsely accused murderers are now free.

Secondly, the killing someone right now actually costs more then keeping them in prison their entire life. It's an expensive process.

Also there is no proof that increased use of the death penalty leads to a decrease in violent crime. Most murders are either crimes of passion (meaning the person won't think about the consequences of his/her actions), well thought out and planned (meaning the person doesn't think they will be caught), gang violence, or the person is insane. In each of these cases the death penalty rarely comes to mind, and is basically a useless tool when if comes to prevention.

I do believe that the prison system needs reform and here's how we should do it:

-Decriminalize marijuana. Right now there are more arrests for possession of marijuana then all violent crimes put together. This is a complete waste of tax payer money. Not only that but right now there are more people in jail for marijuana related charges then violent crimes. If these people are not sent to jail then we automatically have a significantly decreased prison population and no one is in more danger.

- Second we need to make the prison system more of a place for rehabilitation, rather then punishment. Obviously murderers can't be rehabilitated, but those prisoners who have shorter sentences need to be helped.

-Have a plan for prisoner release. A lot of prisoners who are released end up right back in jail. This might be because they either rejoin a gang, or can't get a job and are forced to steal. Creating some kind of incentive for hiring someone who just got out of prison or is on parole could be one way to solve this problem. People won't often higher people with a criminal record.

Side: Rehabilitation is key
Buster(44) Disputed
1 point

First off, obviously you didn't read my argument very well. What I said was that China has a very SIMILAR system and it is pr oven that for every one murder in China, twenty occur in the U.S., you make of that what you will.

Granted, some people are wrongfully imprisoned and it is ashame, but this why we have appeals court and court examinations,etc. Also please do not believe that executing someone is more expensive that just keeping them in jail. This is a tactic used by various religious groups and politicians who oppose the death penalty. Texas and I believe Arizona still have the death penalty and still allow death by firing squad. Now I'll believe lethal injection is more expensive than one or two bullets.

Your also making it sound like the majority of our criminals in prison are innocent, which most are not. People that I am talking about that should be executed are the ones that murder or molest children. Rape innocent women and kill for no good reason. And Murder people in gang violence,etc. You telling me that if a man killed a child and he was pr oven guilty and there was no doubt he was guilty, you wouldn't want him executed? Oh, I forgot, you want him in a rehabilitation center receiving treatment. Let me tell you something, than person just killed someones baby, lets think about that. Lets think about the man who rapes a woman, that woman will most likely be mentally traumatized for a long time if not the rest of her life. I am tired of people blaming it on drugs and mental sickness. Granted there are those who do have illnesses, but these excuses are being too abused by not just the criminals, but by lawyers looking to make a buck.

Refereeing to Gangs. Let me tell you how gangs start and this comes for the mouth of a state trooper and an ex-crip who now works at a convenience store now. Behind almost every gang there are men and women who are older who recruit young people (teens) into gangs by promising them love, protection and a family. Which most of these youngsters never had. These young kids deal and murder for these older men and women. Heres where I have a problem, years ago a 16yr old kid in a city north of me shot at two policemen, the officers returned fire and killed the kid. Both police officers were suspended with out pay. WHY????? If we stop punishing our cops and let them protect themselves without fear of consequence, trust me, these youngsters won't be looking for a gang to find family and love. Maybe they will start going to the programs meant for kids like them, to help them achieve a better life.

We could go back and forth arguing over this point, but you have your opinions and I've got mine. Its just your point of view. I respect your opinion and I hope you can respect mine.

Side: No, it works fine.
1 point

There are so many good points on this side already.

I would just offer as an example, a sex offender on average is sentenced to 8 years and serves 3.5. link

If you sell 3 dime bags in CA you're in jail for life.

wtf are we doing here? This is ridiculous.

Side: Yes, it needs reform.
Side: Yes, it needs reform.
1 point

One significant mechanism that causes incarcerations is the plea bargain process. For those that don't understand this, it basically is a method that generally offers an agreement for a lesser sentence than would be likely should the case go to trial and the accused is found guilty. On the surface, this seems like a reasonable approach. However, there are many arrests where numerous charges are in the report, and often, law enforcement has a propensity to identify as many charges as possible even if some are guesses or worse. The theory here is that if one is arrested for multiple charges, at least some should stick. The problem this creates is that the accused now has two choices. One is to fight all the charges at trial or the other is to take a lesser sentence through a plea bargain.

It is very possible the plea bargain will contain charges for crimes never committed that were simply "stack on" charges. But once these are in the system, they are very real and the accused must accept these in the plea bargain or attempt to prove innocence at trial. It really makes no difference whether or not these "stack on" crimes were ever committed at all. Whatever is in the arrest report, will generally be assumed as valid by the majority of prosecutors.

It is very difficult to reject a plea bargain if many charges were dropped. If one goes to trial, the majority of jurors will think that if numerous charges exist, at least some must be valid and they are much more likely to declare guilt on a few of the charges, even when evidence is sparse, just from simple math. Other factors that add pressure to accept a plea bargain include jail without bond, the reputation of the prosecutors and judges and that plea bargains are generally offered for a short time pressuring the accused to make a quick decision.

These and other aspects of the plea bargain process place great pressure on individuals to accept a plea bargain even if they are not guilty of charges. If one searches for the percentage of incarcerated people due to plea bargain versus trial, the data will be hard to find, but a large percentage of incarcerations follow this process. It is very difficult to determine the percentage of people incarcerated for crimes they actually committed versus "stack on" crimes but the plea bargain process nearly guarantees a fair percentage of the prison population did not commit all of the crimes on their record.

Side: America The Prison Nation
1 point

Absolutely needs to be changed!!! Rehabilitation should help our people in a positive way not just lock em' up and throw away the key, (give up hope). This problem has been ignored for far to long and I believe if the person is convicted of a crime then they should go thru a program that pertains to that said problem specifically in order to help them understand it better/ see others that has been there and going thru the same thing they can relate to and see its achievable to re-enter society with a positive outcome also making it safer to the citizens who are already doing right out there... The system will be more beneficial/safer if categorized into separate crimes for the people who do get arrested there for they aren't just thrown into an environment that can lead to future charges, fights, and disputes. I thought we were all innocent until proven guilty in the court of law but actually they treat good and bad people horribly as if they are all a danger and will never have a second chance. Some facilities are inhumane, disease infested, and over populated. Something must be done!

Side: Yes, it needs reform.
1 point

We can all agree that the prisons are made up of a majority of drug users. Have you ever thought about that US and China are the only countries that once you do your time your are unable to vote. So, if the prisons are full of drug users, then those are the ones most likely to vote as dems instead of rep. Therefore, the more we throw the book at them, the less voters there are who would most likely vote dem. Rich conservatives don't do the illegal stuff they do the legal pills. Poor people tend to smoke than get prescription drugs. Interesting thought though.

Side: Yes, it needs reform.
1 point

Yes, so they can correct everything that is wrong in the judicial system as well as the official. Revising the constitution would only effect when it is implemented with utmost responsibility. As a workers compensation lawyer of workers compensation lawyer I agree with this idea.

Side: Yes, it needs reform.
1 point

In an overzealous attempt to 'get tough on crime' our legal system went buck wild and saddled millions of Americans with criminal records. We have more people in jails and prisons than any other country in the world. We have exonerated a number of people on death row- that were actually innocent. We have a municipal court system that processes people arrested with misdemeanors, like they process meat. No more thought to it than that. They dissuade them from having their 'day in court', plead them out, and send them on their way. Unbeknownst to those who plea bargain their rights away (at the suggestion of their public defender), they will be saddled with this 'scarlet letter/burden' for the rest of their adult lives. Felons (drug possession) have more opportunity for expungement than do some misdemeanors. They will tell you that it's because drugs are 'victimless'; while DUI's and DV's are not. I propose this- alcohol IS a legal drug that often leads to 'black out'; cocaine is NOT a legal drug, and doesn't generally lead to blackout. And most DUI's do not lead to an accident or injury/death. Most people arrested for DV do not kill their spouse; or even seriously injure them. People should be punished for the damage they do; not for what 'could have' happened. That is ridiculous! So, because 'intent'- to break the law' is a primary building block of our legal system, where is it in this instance? Also, does anyone question the credibility of the accuser at all any more? Can anyone just make accusations? Is this how so many end up on death row; until DNA exonerates them? Where was the real proof in these situations? Where is the line drawn? With all these disparities and inconsistencies, should someone be saddled w/ the burden of a misdemeanor for the rest of their lives? I don't think so- that is why I started this petition. It would really help if folks read it and sign it; if they agree. 1 in 4 or 5 working adults has some sort of criminal record. And most of those people have misdemeanor convictions. By definition, a misdemeanor is a lesser crime; so why are there so few options for misdemeanor expungements? This makes no sense. Please review and sign my petition if you agree. It's time for some real change in America.

Supporting Evidence: Human Potential Being Shelved In America (petitions.moveon.org)
Side: Yes, it needs reform.
4 points

The American Legal System isn't what needs to be reformed.

Think about it. Drug laws exist because your president and congress made it so. Then, the appointed supreme court judges, never bothered to stop it.

Another example. Most people that go to jail are represented by public defenders. Since public defenders aren't paid as much as big law firms, the big law firms lure away all the talent. If you paid public defenders more and added more of them, they'd be able to more effectively help people avoid jail in the first place.

Who approves that funding? You city council maybe... or the governer... maybe even the white house.

You see, the American legal system isn't what needs to be reformed. Its the entire system of government which needs to be reformed. It's our politicians who need to be reformed.

Side: No, it works fine.
jstyler Disputed
1 point

This is the most uneducated comment I have read yet. However, it seems to be the biggest lie everyone believes, so I'm glad you said it.

Public defenders don't do 'less of a job' because they are getting paid any less. Also, attorneys that make more money are not necessarily smarter or more talented, nor do they have 'more pull' with a judge or a jury. The law is the same for everybody.

They are held to the very same ethics that private attorneys are. This is why we have ETHICS.

It is the LAW that they do their job to the fullest of their ability. An oath is taken, just like military personnel to defend the constitution of the United States. However, if a defendant believes for any reason whatsoever that his attorney did not defend him to his fullest ability, under the law, he not only has the right to appeal, but also the right to SUE his attorney.

Side: Yes, it needs reform.
goneeverlong(1) Disputed
1 point

I have to take issue about the public defender. Public defenders work for a state's counties. They are part of a counties legal team. In other words public defenders co-workers are the Judges, PA's, Court Clerks,and the Sheriff's department.

Side: Yes, it needs reform.
2 points

Our legal system is definitely robust enough to do the job. We just need the right people in the saddle to set the rules.

Side: No, it works fine.
1 point

The American Legal System, like ALL legal systems, has its flaws. But the way it is set up is to protect and preserve our rights as legal American citizens. It is true that sometimes the bad guy gets away, as is it true that sometimes the good guy get put away. But for the most part, our legal system has been working out great, keeping the judges in line, keeping the head politicians in line. How could we possibly alter it in any which-way to make it "better"? And even if we could, I would not say to go all out and reform it completely, we should just simply ammend the laws that are placed around it.

I wish I could say more reguarding your link, but my computer won't load it for some reason.

Side: Unjust Accusations

I do think some reforms could be in order for very narrow and specific cases, but overall I think America's system could be better but is fine as it is, and is certainly not a top priority when compared to other systems and institution that need reformation, eg. monetary policy, education, tax system, etc. The problem lies in the laws, particularly drug laws, and I think other issues like capital punishment are questionable ethically, but don't represent a big enough issue to fulminate over.

Side: No, it works fine.
1 point

The Legal system does have it's flaws, and it reforms every few decades, and you have to be crazy if you want to get rid of minimal years. If there is total discretion the opprotunity arises for corruption, and since the Criminal Justice System works on discretion, there have been made guidelines. You don't want the difference for a drug dealer in NY to get 10 years, and for the same offense in Ohio to get 2. That wouldn't be right. And that's why mandatory minimum sentencing exists.

And the reason there is so many drug dealers in prision is because your presidents decided they wanted to fight a "war on drugs." It's not an effective measure of crime by no means, but in America's view it looks like the CJ system is doing their jobs to keep your kids safe. That's all it's for.

And if you want to talk about over crowding in the prisons talk about the Criminal Justice system having to house the mentally ill. Hospitals are shutting down all over and so the mentally ill get arrested for the stuff they decide to do, and end up in our prisons. At one of Ohio's prisons alone, 16% of it's inmates are mentally ill.

The CJC system has become the crutch of everyone that society doesn't want to see.

Side: No, it works fine.
-1 points

The Legal System is fine. The primary thing that we need to do is build more prisons to get more of these nut jobs off the street and behind bars where they belong!

Side: Build More Prisons
0 points

yes i thik amercian legal system want the solid reformms. it is against the innocent muslims. the muslims who live in america,they are suspected by the american police. they cought and giiven awaye the jail.

the muslims who have a beared are seen by the suspected eyes. there are a strong amendmend in the law about the suspection.

and an other thig is that they also have no permition to learn about the science and research about physicies and atomic energy.thre are also a strict law of govt against the muslim about the study visa and emmigration visa for muslims

Side: No, it works fine.