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Does Timetravel prove or Disprove Fate?

If I decide to go forward 50 years in to the future, peoples lives will all have taken a certain path. And if you go then back in time, you can look at a younger version of someone you saw and think " Your life is already set up." However, if you go back in time, you can change how things will happen in the future. So If we could find a way to enable humans to time travel, would it ultimately prove or disprove fate?

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There two main possible scenarion:

First scenario.

If there is only one timeline than you cannot change the past

For example if you travel back and kill your father. You would not be born so you cannot travel back a change the timeline. So the change cannot happen.

Second scenario

You travel back and kill you father, by doing so you will create a new timeline independent from yours.

Result of both is that you cannot change your past. However you may be able to observe some even for study purposes.

Side: Proves

According to what I learned in Astronomy it is impossible to travel backwards in time and "time travel" is really only obtainable by traveling near a speed that is under the universal speed limit which is ~300,000km/s. So like a day at that speed to you would be like three years on earth. So if you left for 4 days and came back traveling at that speed you would be 4 days older and everybody else would be maybe 12 years older. Although if I just follow this example you provided this would still proves that fate occurs. If you change anything from the past that individual can still make their own choices and decisions so they practically chose their fate.

Side: Proves
Nox0(1393) Disputed
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How exactly is Astronomy related to time travel ?

Side: Disproves
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Well in my astronomy class we learn about the physics of space and we explored time travel through a wormhole and extreme speed. It is impossible to travel backwards because you would rip time or space or something so you can only go forward. But it isnt like poof bang 50 years later. You can travel a massive distance in a short time and call that time travel but Astronomy handles a lot. We have an advanced physics unit.

Side: Proves

Neither. Fate says that one thing is supposed to happen, yet in time traveling you could change the thing you do (causing a butterfly effect) making something else happen disproving fate, but that could also mean that it was fate for you to change it.

In truth though, fate has nothing to do with it. One thing will happen no matter what you do, after doing some thing, a reaction will happen causing something else to happen. If you want to say "Because something happens after the first thing happens it's fate" be my guest but I feel it would undermine fate. The time machine lets you change things before they happen, true, but without being able to actually see fate one could never say if that was fated to have happened or not.

Side: Proves

I think it means that we all have a fate, but we can easily change it - you're not forced to live a certain way.

Side: Proves
Jungelson(3959) Disputed
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How can we all have a certain, particular fate, if it is susceptible to change?

Side: Disproves

The choices you make this moment sets you up on a fate, but your choices tomorrow can change that fate.

Side: Disproves
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That's really difficult to answer. If one was to go back in time say 50 years ago, and changed a major part of our history then that alone would disprove fate as you are changing everyone else's path. However if you have re-written the past it has changed the future and is accepted as our present. As everybody is none the wiser, you could argue that they will see fate in the way they do now, so for them fate does exist. The only person fate would not apply to is the time traveller, maybe giving him the role of a god. So people would continue to believe in fate, but if one person has the ability to change somebodies fate, then it an not exist as an entity in itself. Perhaps the time traveller is then deemed fate.

Side: Disproves
Jungelson(3959) Clarified
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Most true. The future from our point of view ( if time travel is possible) is written out, we can go and visit it. However, as you said, if we go back in time we can change this, proving that fate is not written. But you can also argue " what if changing the future was already going to happen, it was set out." Then you are not really in control of your actions. Everything you do is set out. But with timetravel you can go back in time, see your self, and prevent what already happened in your life from happening.

Confusing, n'est pas?!

Side: Proves