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Trump DOES Have a High IQ Trump DOES NOT Have a High IQ
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Does Trump Have a High IQ?

A lot of the many online resources provided to tell us presidents' IQ levels can be biased. Some are very right-wing, and some are very left-wing. This debate is intended to use real research to decide whether Trump does or does not have a high IQ.

Trump DOES Have a High IQ

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Trump DOES NOT Have a High IQ

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2 points

It would only be a real fool who could not recognize, or would permit themselves to be blinded by prejudice that a Phoenix- multi-billionaire who became the president of the United States of America must have a high intelligent quotient.

Maybe he's no great orator, but he gets things done.

Obama's outstanding oratoration abilities were his downfall as he loved the sound of his own voice so much that his all talk and no action led to his country becoming a tiphead filled with latino criminals and a dumping ground for cheap and shoddy foreign goods.

Side: Trump DOES Have a High IQ
excon(14626) Disputed
2 points

It would only be a real fool who could not recognize... that a Phoenix- multi-billionaire who became the president of the United States of America must have a high intelligent quotient.

Hello again, M:

What do you call a person who confuses cunning with intelligence?

excon

Side: Trump DOES NOT Have a High IQ
BaloneyHead(91) Disputed
2 points

Does Trump Have a High IQ?

You had your chance to vote for a black brain surgeon.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BenCarson

You voted for a corrupt white woman. Your head is up the white man's ass. You are the white man's bitch. I suppose you should just accept your lot in life seeing you will not resist it like your fathers did. I guess you're just scared to think for yourself like MLK. Turn on CNN and soak up some more disproven bullshit. You want to. You should do it.

Side: Trump DOES Have a High IQ
AlofRI(3177) Disputed
2 points

Obama's outstanding "oratoration" abilities were his DOWNFALL?? He was elected TWICE by "MAJORITY VOTE"! The first President to be since IKE! He is STILL THEE most popular politician in the United States .... second only to his WIFE! Trump is only highly rated by his controlled party!

"He gets thing DONE"??? Yep, he very publically signs executive orders, he blows the debt ceiling off the White House! He throws money at the 1% and calls it a "tax cut for the middle class" ,,, which allows the 1% to buy back their stock and sell it at a higher price ... making them even RICHER, while the middle class tries to figure out how to pay for rent, health care and education ... while working two or more jobs! ( the "tax break" long gone for THEM, while it is STILL growing for the 1%)! Yep! He also gets it done for DACA and LGBD people whom he "promised to protect", and he is STILL trying to kill THEE most popular health care program started by that "outstanding orator" who, I have NO doubt, would have been elected AGAIN ... if it had been "lawful"! (sigh ;-). I also have NO doubt that, should he tragically be elected a second time, Rump will (probably by Executive Order ;-), try to be elected for a third term! Hopefully, he will NOT "get that done"! ;-(OR pass it on to Rump Jr.) :-

Side: Trump DOES NOT Have a High IQ
Wartsauce(39) Disputed
1 point

Obama's outstanding "oratoration" abilities were his DOWNFALL??

Framing a 3 star general and weaponizing the NSA, CIA, and the FBI will be his downfall.

He is STILL THEE most popular politician in the United States .... second only to his WIFE!

His wife isn't and never was a politician.

Trump approval at Gallup ‘highest,’ better than Obama, Bush

By Paul Bedard

May 16, 2020

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/trump-approval-at-gallup-highest-better- than-obama-bush? amp=true

Side: Trump DOES Have a High IQ

"He was elected TWICE by "MAJORITY VOTE"!"

and he won HHYUUGE ;-)

The size of his popular vote, electoral college vote, and his crowds put Trump's to shame - a shame Trump feels deep inside...

"since IKE"

and Reagan

"second only to his WIFE"

M'Obama 2028

Side: Trump DOES NOT Have a High IQ
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Trump is more complicated than low IQ or high IQ because Trump is a narcissistic psychopath. He’s as smart as he needs to be to do what he wants to do and what he wants to do is whatever he thinks is good for Donald Trump and his ego. He has an unlimited amount of guile and is completely unencumbered by any sense of shame or guilt. You could say he’s super human, or then again you could say he’s a monster.

He learned how to move through the world at his daddy’s knee and daddy was a racist mob connected slum lord. Daddy gave Donald hundreds of millions of dollars and vast business connections including connections to the most sleazy of all lawyers, Roy Cohn and gutter crawlers like Rodger Stone. Trump, because he is quite possibly the words worst businessman, blew through the hundreds of millions his father gave him and went through a number of bankruptcy’s. When Trump was staring down the barrel of financial oblivion he connected with the right people in the Russian mob and the leader of the Russian mob is Vladimir Putin. Putin saved Trump from financial doom and it’s no secret that when a mobster saves you, you become that mobster’s property.

So the question was about Trump’s IQ; It’s as high as it needs to be to become the worlds greatest cult leader/grifter.

Side: Trump DOES Have a High IQ
0 points

If the definition of “smart,” at least for this purpose, folds in raw intelligence, street smarts, intuition, real-world experience, business success, job creation, wealth creation, a fighter’s instinct, and knowing when to roll the dice or to bluff, then Trump might stand relatively high on the presidential “smarts” pyramid.

Just the fact that he got himself elected president of the United States on his first try, on his own, against all odds, as an outsider with zero political experience, amid ridicule and attacks by both political parties, the mainstream media, Hollywood and academia — should get Trump honorable mention for top billing.

I think it's worth noting some of President Trump's accomplishments. I have seen a lot of people say that he sucks at public speaking. So what? Does everyone just ignore what he has accomplished? Let me list them for you:

- 8 Million new jobs

- lowest unemployment in 50 years!

- USMCA (Obama failed).

- new China deal (Obama failed).

- expanded steel mills & new aluminium factories.

- 500,000 new manufacturing jobs.

- secure border.

- prison reform.

- tax reform.

- silly regulations gutted.

- energy expansion.

- Veterans Choice.

- new Japan trade deal.

- and much more.

Here is a list of New & expanded steel plants, partial.

1. New FoxConn $10B plant in Wisconsin.

2. New aluminum plant in Ashland, KY (Appalachia)

3. New smelter in Hawesville, Ky.

4. Alcoa new smelter, Indiana

5 & 6. New Nucor and Commercial Metals will build new mills in Missouri and Oklahoma.

7. Samsung new plant, South Carolina.

8. LG Electronics, Tennessee, 350-acre site (washers)

9. JSW, Ohio (steel).

10. JSW, Texas (steel).

11. US Steel, Illinois.

12. Big River Steel, Arkansas, $1.2B expansion

13. Schuff Steel Company, South Carolina, expansion

14. US Steel $1.2B modernization / expansion

Alright, now that I am done listing Trump's accomplishments, it's time to get real deep into this:

We Right-thinking people have tried dignity. There could not have been a man of more quiet dignity than George W. Bush as he suffered the outrageous lies and politically motivated hatreds that undermined his presidency.

We tried statesmanship Could there be another human being on this earth who so desperately prized “collegiality” as President Ronald Reagan

The Left has been engaged in a war against America since the rise of the Children of the ‘60's. To them, it has been an all-out war where nothing is held sacred and nothing is seen as beyond the pale.. It has been a war they’ve fought with violence, the threat of violence, demagoguery and lies from day one – the violent take-over of the universities – till today.

The problem is that, through these years, the Left has been the only side fighting this war. While the Left has been taking a knife to anyone who stands in their way, the Right has continued to act with dignity, collegiality and propriety.

With Donald Trump, this all has come to an end. Donald Trump is America ’s first wartime president in the Culture War.

During wartime, things like “dignity” and “collegiality” simply aren’t the most essential qualities one looks for in their warriors. Ulysses Grant was a drunk whose behavior in peacetime might well have seen him drummed out of the Army for conduct unbecoming.

Had Abraham Lincoln applied the peacetime rules of propriety and booted Grant, the Democrats might well still be holding their slaves today. Lincoln rightly recognized that, “I cannot spare this man. He fights.”

General George Patton was a vulgar-talking.. In peacetime, this might have seen him stripped of rank. But, had Franklin Roosevelt applied the normal rules of decorum then, Hitler and the Socialists would barely be five decades into their thousand-year Reich.

Trump is fighting. And what’s particularly delicious is that, like Patton standing over the battlefield as his tanks obliterated Rommel’s, he’s shouting, “You magnificent scoundrels, I read your book!”

That is just the icing on the cake, but it’s wonderful to see that not only is Trump fighting, he’s defeating the Left using their own tactics. That book is Saul Alinisky’s Rules for Radicals – a book so essential to the Liberals’ war against America that it is and was the playbook for the entire Obama administration and the subject of Hillary Clinton’s senior thesis.

It is a book of such pure evil, that, just as the rest of us would dedicate our book to those we most love or those to whom we are most indebted, Alinsky dedicated his book to Lucifer.

Trump’s tweets may seem rash and unconsidered but, in reality, he is doing exactly what Alinisky suggested his followers do. First, instead of going after “the fake media” and they are so fake that they have literally gotten every single significant story of the past 60 years not just wrong, but diametrically opposed to the truth, from the Tet Offensive to Benghazi, to what really happened on the streets of Ferguson, Missouri Trump isolated CNN.. He made it personal.

Then, just as Alinisky suggests, he employs ridicule which Alinsky described as “the most powerful weapon of all.”... Most importantly, Trump’s tweets have put CNN in an untenable and unwinnable position. ... They need to respond.

This leaves them with only two choices. They can either “go high” (as Hillary would disingenuously declare of herself and the fake news would disingenuously report as the truth) and begin to honestly and accurately report the news or they can double-down on their usual tactics and hope to defeat Trump with twice their usual hysteria and demagoguery.

The problem for CNN (et al.) with the former is that, if they were to start honestly reporting the news, that would be the end of the Democratic Party they serve. It is nothing but the incessant use of fake news (read: propaganda) that keeps the Left alive.

Imagine, for example, if CNN had honestly and accurately reported then-candidate Barack Obama’s close ties to foreign terrorists (Rashid Khalidi), domestic terrorists (William Ayers & Bernardine Dohrn), the mafia (Tony Rezko) or the true evils of his spiritual mentor, Jeremiah Wright’s church.

Imagine if they had honestly and accurately conveyed the evils of the Obama administration’s weaponizing of the IRS to be used against their political opponents or his running of guns to the Mexican cartels or the truth about the murder of Ambassador Christopher Stevens and the Obama administration’s cover-up.

So, to my friends on the Left — and the #NeverTrumpers as well — do I wish we lived in a time when our president could be “collegial” and “dignified” and “proper”? Of course, I do.

These aren’t those times. This is war. And it’s a war that the Left has been fighting without opposition for the past 50 years.

So, say anything you want about this president - I get it - he can be vulgar, he can be can be undignified at times. I don’t care. I can’t spare this man. He fights for America!

Side: Trump DOES Have a High IQ
excon(14626) Disputed
2 points

And it’s a war that the Left has been fighting without opposition for the past 50 years.. I can’t spare this man. He fights for America!

Hello F:

Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi..

20% Unemployment. 100,000 dead Americans...

What else is there to say?

excon

Side: Trump DOES NOT Have a High IQ
Frankbbg(49) Disputed
1 point

20% Unemployment. 100,000 dead Americans...

I think you skipped the part where I listed Trump's accomplishments. I get that Trump has done things wrong, everyone does things wrong. In order to decide whether Trump is smart, the good and the bad need to be taken into account instead of just the bad. Don't only focus on his couple things that he did wrong when there are many more things that he did right as well. I am not saying ignore the bad stuff, I am saying take both into account. You did not even acknowledge the fact that he has gotten a lot accomplished.

Side: Trump DOES Have a High IQ
BaloneyHead(91) Disputed
1 point

Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi..

20% Unemployment. 100,000 dead Americans...

What else is there to say?

That Democrats are the only ones locked down, thus they are responsible for all unemployment they directly caused.

And, that you have gone full cognitive dissonance at this point. You literally take both of these positions.

Position 1- Trump is bad for letting businesses reopen during a pandemic.

Position 2- Trump is bad because not letting businesses reopen caused mass unemployment.

Chew on that for a minute.

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HootiesWank(94) Disputed
1 point

getting rid of rules against pollution - leading to premature deaths

Name someone officially "killled by pollution".

Side: Trump DOES Have a High IQ
HootiesWank(94) Disputed
1 point

By "clean cars", you mean unaffordable cars that lobbyists to the Democrats make.

Side: Trump DOES Have a High IQ
2 points

500,000 new manufacturing jobs

about the same as created under Obama during same time period

40 months ending 12/2016: 490,716

40 months ending 04/2020: 505,587 (includes provisional numbers)

https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES3000000001

Side: Trump DOES NOT Have a High IQ
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prison reform

Not a Trump acheivement.

Trump was the main reason this didn't pass years ago.

He was trying to mimic Richard Nixon running on law and order and scared the Republican caucus enough that McConnell wouldn't even bring the bill up for a vote - knowing that it would have passed. ref ref

48 Republicans voted against the bill: ref ref

Trump had nothing in his campaign about criminal justice reform ref and was heading towards more incarceration ref ref

Once he knew it was going to pass with or without him, he decided to support it so he could take credit.

Side: Trump DOES NOT Have a High IQ
HootiesWank(94) Disputed
0 points

prison reform

Not a Trump acheivement

Literally could not be less true.

CNN video footage-

https://youtu.be/4J6nXrhCheA

CNN's Van Jones: Give Trump credit on prison reform

CNN's Van Jones says that President Trump deserves some credit after he announced his support for bipartisan criminal justice legislation.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/videos/politics/2018/11/15/van-jones-trump-criminal-justice-reform- credit-ctn-vpx.cnn

Side: Trump DOES Have a High IQ
1 point

Veterans Choice

Started under Obama

https://apnews.com/375515aecedb4aed949e4f2eb9c54eb6

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tax reform

A tax break for the rich added to the debt to be paid back with interest by the middle class.

Side: Trump DOES NOT Have a High IQ
HootiesWank(94) Disputed
2 points

A tax break for the rich added to the debt

The Democrats pork put into the stimulus bill added trillions to the debt.

to be paid back with interest by the middle class.

Top 3% of U.S. Taxpayers Paid Majority of Income Tax in 2016

By Alexandre Tanzi

October 14, 2018, 8:00 AM CDT

Updated on October 16, 2018, 12:45 PM CDT

Richest 1,409 taxpayers pay more income tax than bottom 70Mln

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-10-14/top-3-of-u-s-taxpayers-paid-majority-of- income-taxes-in-2016

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If the definition of “smart,” at least for this purpose, folds in raw intelligence, street smarts, intuition, real-world experience, business success, job creation, wealth creation, a fighter’s instinct, and knowing when to roll the dice or to bluff, then Trump might stand relatively high on the presidential “smarts” pyramid.

But that isn't the definition of smart. None of the things you have mentioned appear anywhere in an IQ test. I mean, what the literal fuck? Job creation? I have to be smart to create jobs? In that case Paris Hilton must be a genius because she employs plenty of people. Kim Kardashian too. Couple of regular scholars, those two.

And street smarts? Ahahahahahaha! Are you even serious? What do you think would happen if someone dropped Trump off in Compton or Harlem right now?

I think the fact of the matter is that you are almost certainly stupid and narcissistic too, so Trump is a hero to you because he validates a lot of the myths you have learned about life. Like writing 10,000 words because you're stupid enough to think that equals relevance and/or importance.

Side: Trump DOES NOT Have a High IQ
Frankbbg(49) Disputed
1 point

Job creation?

Yes, Job creation. I bet you couldn't go out right now and create jobs for people. But if it "does not require much intelligence", then, by all means, go do it. I would love to see how far you get.

In that case Paris Hilton must be a genius because she employs plenty of people. Kim Kardashian too.

Employment is not the same as job creation. How can you even get those confused? Employment is something that's already there that someone goes looking for so they can get paid. Job creation is opening up employment opportunities. Want an example? Trump has moved car factories back to the US. This creates job opportunities. In other words, Employment opportunities.

Your argument is overall weak because you are pinning everything I say to the definition of smart when I literally said in my argument: at least for this purpose. I was using the context-defined definition of smart to correspond to what it takes to be president. After all, this debate is about the current US president, is it not?

Side: Trump DOES Have a High IQ
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MexicanFood(25) Disputed
1 point

I'd like to dry hump your cottontail. I'd like to drink your pee with a side of ass crack.

Side: Trump DOES NOT Have a High IQ
AlofRI(3177) Clarified
1 point

And they say TRUMP has a low IQ. :-)

Side: Trump DOES Have a High IQ
3 points

This debate is intended to use real research to decide whether Trump does or does not have a high IQ.

Is this a serious question? Because the man is a goddamned moron. If your interpretation of having a high IQ is when someone tells you they have a high IQ then Trump has a high IQ. Otherwise, he's a goddamned moron who can barely structure a coherent sentence.

Side: Trump DOES NOT Have a High IQ
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The evidence is in how he speaks, reacts, and defends. Simply put, he's a moron with money. That's it.

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JuiceMan(27) Disputed
1 point

You left out 3.5% unemployment and that 30,000 DOW. It doesn't fit your narrative of climbing into the history books rather than confront the results of this Presidency.

Side: Trump DOES Have a High IQ
2 points

he's a moron with money. That's it.

Amen. If those people were all removed from the world overnight, we'd all wake up to a much better place.

Don't get me wrong. I know there are plenty of morons without money too, but the difference is that they can't pay for an audience.

Side: Trump DOES NOT Have a High IQ
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Does Trump Have a High IQ?

Hello:

Look.. Anybody who wears a birds nest on his head, and thinks we believe it's real, is STUPID, STUPID, STUPID..

excon

Side: Trump DOES NOT Have a High IQ
Wartsauce(39) Disputed
2 points

Look.. Anybody who wears a birds nest on his head, and thinks we believe it's real, is STUPID, STUPID, STUPID..

Anyone who claims white supremacists are everywhere, then starts killing whites in Democrat cities, while pretending they have to be Republicans, despite Republicans living in small towns and farms is stupid, stupid, stupid.

Side: Trump DOES Have a High IQ
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I would ask, does the Trumplican Party have a high IQ? They back him when he outdoes what they USED to attack Obama for!

Trump said he wouldn't have time to play golf, he'd be too busy as President.

He's played, in 4 years, as much OR MORE than Obama did in 8!

The Trumplicans said Obama can't speak without a teleprompter.

Trump has trouble speaking ENGLISH and has to read every word ... when he doesn't he gets himself in trouble ... and even when he DOES, he gets himself in trouble.

Trump said he wouldn't take a salary.

He doesn't NEED one! His $133,000,000 golf games at his properties fill HIS pockets with more money than other Presidents COULD make!

Trump and those who back him said: "Obama has a secret army and they're coming after U.S.! It never materialized! Yesterday Trump had an army WITH NO IDENTIFYING INSIGNIA standing guard in front of HIS HOUSE! (He thinks).

The Trumpists said, many times, that: "Obama will have black helicopters attacking U.S.! Yesterday he had BLACKHAWK Helicopters trying to instill fear in American PEACEFUL PROTESTERS! Citizens expressing their 1st Amendment rights!

Trump swore to defend AND protect American citizens, NOT send the military to silence them!

Obama went to church to pray, often. Trump went to church (dutifully), at his inauguration, and touched the Bible on the same day. The next time he touched the Bible he used it as a photo-op prop ... and was castigated by a Bishop and many other religious leaders and citizens! WAKE UP, TRUMPLICANS!

Someone said Mrs. Obama was never a politician. That doesn't mean she's not one of, or thee, most politically popular persons in the country. Unlike the MOP!

Side: Trump DOES NOT Have a High IQ