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Does Trump Have a High IQ?
A lot of the many online resources provided to tell us presidents' IQ levels can be biased. Some are very right-wing, and some are very left-wing. This debate is intended to use real research to decide whether Trump does or does not have a high IQ.
It would only be a real fool who could not recognize, or would permit themselves to be blinded by prejudice that a Phoenix- multi-billionaire who became the president of the United States of America must have a high intelligent quotient.
Maybe he's no great orator, but he gets things done.
Obama's outstanding oratoration abilities were his downfall as he loved the sound of his own voice so much that his all talk and no action led to his country becoming a tiphead filled with latino criminals and a dumping ground for cheap and shoddy foreign goods.
It would only be a real fool who could not recognize... that a Phoenix- multi-billionaire who became the president of the United States of America must have a high intelligent quotient.
Hello again, M:
What do you call a person who confuses cunning with intelligence?
You voted for a corrupt white woman. Your head is up the white man's ass. You are the white man's bitch. I suppose you should just accept your lot in life seeing you will not resist it like your fathers did. I guess you're just scared to think for yourself like MLK. Turn on CNN and soak up some more disproven bullshit. You want to. You should do it.
Obama's outstanding "oratoration" abilities were his DOWNFALL?? He was elected TWICE by "MAJORITY VOTE"! The first President to be since IKE! He is STILL THEE most popular politician in the United States .... second only to his WIFE! Trump is only highly rated by his controlled party!
"He gets thing DONE"??? Yep, he very publically signs executive orders, he blows the debt ceiling off the White House! He throws money at the 1% and calls it a "tax cut for the middle class" ,,, which allows the 1% to buy back their stock and sell it at a higher price ... making them even RICHER, while the middle class tries to figure out how to pay for rent, health care and education ... while working two or more jobs! ( the "tax break" long gone for THEM, while it is STILL growing for the 1%)! Yep! He also gets it done for DACA and LGBD people whom he "promised to protect", and he is STILL trying to kill THEE most popular health care program started by that "outstanding orator" who, I have NO doubt, would have been elected AGAIN ... if it had been "lawful"! (sigh ;-). I also have NO doubt that, should he tragically be elected a second time, Rump will (probably by Executive Order ;-), try to be elected for a third term! Hopefully, he will NOT "get that done"! ;-(OR pass it on to Rump Jr.) :-
After the novelty of electing the first black President wore off from 2008, his second election yielded numbers no better than Hillary Clinton in 2016.
Trump is more complicated than low IQ or high IQ because Trump is a narcissistic psychopath. He’s as smart as he needs to be to do what he wants to do and what he wants to do is whatever he thinks is good for Donald Trump and his ego. He has an unlimited amount of guile and is completely unencumbered by any sense of shame or guilt. You could say he’s super human, or then again you could say he’s a monster.
He learned how to move through the world at his daddy’s knee and daddy was a racist mob connected slum lord. Daddy gave Donald hundreds of millions of dollars and vast business connections including connections to the most sleazy of all lawyers, Roy Cohn and gutter crawlers like Rodger Stone. Trump, because he is quite possibly the words worst businessman, blew through the hundreds of millions his father gave him and went through a number of bankruptcy’s. When Trump was staring down the barrel of financial oblivion he connected with the right people in the Russian mob and the leader of the Russian mob is Vladimir Putin. Putin saved Trump from financial doom and it’s no secret that when a mobster saves you, you become that mobster’s property.
So the question was about Trump’s IQ; It’s as high as it needs to be to become the worlds greatest cult leader/grifter.
If the definition of “smart,” at least for this purpose, folds in raw intelligence, street smarts, intuition, real-world experience, business success, job creation, wealth creation, a fighter’s instinct, and knowing when to roll the dice or to bluff, then Trump might stand relatively high on the presidential “smarts” pyramid.
Just the fact that he got himself elected president of the United States on his first try, on his own, against all odds, as an outsider with zero political experience, amid ridicule and attacks by both political parties, the mainstream media, Hollywood and academia — should get Trump honorable mention for top billing.
I think it's worth noting some of President Trump's accomplishments. I have seen a lot of people say that he sucks at public speaking. So what? Does everyone just ignore what he has accomplished? Let me list them for you:
- 8 Million new jobs
- lowest unemployment in 50 years!
- USMCA (Obama failed).
- new China deal (Obama failed).
- expanded steel mills & new aluminium factories.
- 500,000 new manufacturing jobs.
- secure border.
- prison reform.
- tax reform.
- silly regulations gutted.
- energy expansion.
- Veterans Choice.
- new Japan trade deal.
- and much more.
Here is a list of New & expanded steel plants, partial.
1. New FoxConn $10B plant in Wisconsin.
2. New aluminum plant in Ashland, KY (Appalachia)
3. New smelter in Hawesville, Ky.
4. Alcoa new smelter, Indiana
5 & 6. New Nucor and Commercial Metals will build new mills in Missouri and Oklahoma.
7. Samsung new plant, South Carolina.
8. LG Electronics, Tennessee, 350-acre site (washers)
9. JSW, Ohio (steel).
10. JSW, Texas (steel).
11. US Steel, Illinois.
12. Big River Steel, Arkansas, $1.2B expansion
13. Schuff Steel Company, South Carolina, expansion
14. US Steel $1.2B modernization / expansion
Alright, now that I am done listing Trump's accomplishments, it's time to get real deep into this:
We Right-thinking people have tried dignity. There could not have been a man of more quiet dignity than George W. Bush as he suffered the outrageous lies and politically motivated hatreds that undermined his presidency.
We tried statesmanship Could there be another human being on this earth who so desperately prized “collegiality” as President Ronald Reagan
The Left has been engaged in a war against America since the rise of the Children of the ‘60's. To them, it has been an all-out war where nothing is held sacred and nothing is seen as beyond the pale.. It has been a war they’ve fought with violence, the threat of violence, demagoguery and lies from day one – the violent take-over of the universities – till today.
The problem is that, through these years, the Left has been the only side fighting this war. While the Left has been taking a knife to anyone who stands in their way, the Right has continued to act with dignity, collegiality and propriety.
With Donald Trump, this all has come to an end. Donald Trump is America ’s first wartime president in the Culture War.
During wartime, things like “dignity” and “collegiality” simply aren’t the most essential qualities one looks for in their warriors. Ulysses Grant was a drunk whose behavior in peacetime might well have seen him drummed out of the Army for conduct unbecoming.
Had Abraham Lincoln applied the peacetime rules of propriety and booted Grant, the Democrats might well still be holding their slaves today. Lincoln rightly recognized that, “I cannot spare this man. He fights.”
General George Patton was a vulgar-talking.. In peacetime, this might have seen him stripped of rank. But, had Franklin Roosevelt applied the normal rules of decorum then, Hitler and the Socialists would barely be five decades into their thousand-year Reich.
Trump is fighting. And what’s particularly delicious is that, like Patton standing over the battlefield as his tanks obliterated Rommel’s, he’s shouting, “You magnificent scoundrels, I read your book!”
That is just the icing on the cake, but it’s wonderful to see that not only is Trump fighting, he’s defeating the Left using their own tactics. That book is Saul Alinisky’s Rules for Radicals – a book so essential to the Liberals’ war against America that it is and was the playbook for the entire Obama administration and the subject of Hillary Clinton’s senior thesis.
It is a book of such pure evil, that, just as the rest of us would dedicate our book to those we most love or those to whom we are most indebted, Alinsky dedicated his book to Lucifer.
Trump’s tweets may seem rash and unconsidered but, in reality, he is doing exactly what Alinisky suggested his followers do. First, instead of going after “the fake media” and they are so fake that they have literally gotten every single significant story of the past 60 years not just wrong, but diametrically opposed to the truth, from the Tet Offensive to Benghazi, to what really happened on the streets of Ferguson, Missouri Trump isolated CNN.. He made it personal.
Then, just as Alinisky suggests, he employs ridicule which Alinsky described as “the most powerful weapon of all.”... Most importantly, Trump’s tweets have put CNN in an untenable and unwinnable position. ... They need to respond.
This leaves them with only two choices. They can either “go high” (as Hillary would disingenuously declare of herself and the fake news would disingenuously report as the truth) and begin to honestly and accurately report the news or they can double-down on their usual tactics and hope to defeat Trump with twice their usual hysteria and demagoguery.
The problem for CNN (et al.) with the former is that, if they were to start honestly reporting the news, that would be the end of the Democratic Party they serve. It is nothing but the incessant use of fake news (read: propaganda) that keeps the Left alive.
Imagine, for example, if CNN had honestly and accurately reported then-candidate Barack Obama’s close ties to foreign terrorists (Rashid Khalidi), domestic terrorists (William Ayers & Bernardine Dohrn), the mafia (Tony Rezko) or the true evils of his spiritual mentor, Jeremiah Wright’s church.
Imagine if they had honestly and accurately conveyed the evils of the Obama administration’s weaponizing of the IRS to be used against their political opponents or his running of guns to the Mexican cartels or the truth about the murder of Ambassador Christopher Stevens and the Obama administration’s cover-up.
So, to my friends on the Left — and the #NeverTrumpers as well — do I wish we lived in a time when our president could be “collegial” and “dignified” and “proper”? Of course, I do.
These aren’t those times. This is war. And it’s a war that the Left has been fighting without opposition for the past 50 years.
So, say anything you want about this president - I get it - he can be vulgar, he can be can be undignified at times. I don’t care. I can’t spare this man. He fights for America!
I think you skipped the part where I listed Trump's accomplishments. I get that Trump has done things wrong, everyone does things wrong. In order to decide whether Trump is smart, the good and the bad need to be taken into account instead of just the bad. Don't only focus on his couple things that he did wrong when there are many more things that he did right as well. I am not saying ignore the bad stuff, I am saying take both into account. You did not even acknowledge the fact that he has gotten a lot accomplished.
I think you skipped the part where I listed Trump's accomplishments.
Hello again, F:
I dunno.. Relying on what WAS, ain't gonna win you the here and now.. Today, in the here and now, we're edging toward depression, civil war and more pandemic death..
Relying on what WAS, ain't gonna win you the here and now..
But here and now is not the subject matter of the debate, is it? The debate does not only use the here and now to describe Trump's IQ, but it also uses the past. What Trump is doing now as well as what he did in the past describes his overall IQ. While we may not have an exact number yet, we can use things that Trump is doing and has done to get a pretty good idea. That's what this debate is about.
Relying on what WAS, ain't gonna win you the here and now.. Today, in the here and now, we're edging toward depression, civil war and more pandemic death..
And the right never lifted a finger against or locked anyone in their homes, yet you have convinced yourself that they are the threat. The same left telling us Democrat city cops are evil today was cheering them handcuffing mothers, barbers, surfers, etc just two weeks ago. Let that sink in.
I think you skipped the part where I listed Trump's accomplishments.
I think you are dangerously delusional if you think Donald Trump has accomplished anything. You listed Trump's best numbers, not his "accomplishments". You listed his best numbers, but forgot to mention his current numbers. Why is that?
I think you are dangerously delusional if you think Donald Trump has accomplished anything.
If "best numbers" means what I think it means, then you just contradicted yourself. Of course, this depends on what you define "best numbers" to be.
You listed his best numbers, but forgot to mention his current numbers. Why is that?
There are multiple different views on how Trump has handled COVID-19 and everything that resulted from it. I wanted to state facts, not my opinion. My opinion is debatable, the facts aren't.
I don't need to define that because it's self-explanatory.
If "best numbers" means what I think it means, then you just contradicted yourself.
Wrong, idiot. If two teams play a soccer game and one team goes up by 6 goals, then telling us only about those 6 goals is completely irrelevant if the final score is 7-6. Hillary Clinton had great numbers. Much better than Trump's. So now I'd like to hear your argument about how great Hillary's accomplishments are.
If two teams play a soccer game and one team goes up by 6 goals, then telling us only about those 6 goals is completely irrelevant if the final score is 7-6.
That's a big if. We will not know what the final score is until Trump's presidency is over.
So now I'd like to hear your argument about how great Hillary's accomplishments are
Hillary is irrelevant to this debate if you are talking about accomplishments. The debate is about the current US President, not people who tried to be a US President and failed. In my argument, I talked about Trump's accomplishments in office. Hillary has not been in office. Only Bill has.
Lol. What are you talking about you completely mad bastard? There is no if. It has already happened. The economy tanked, unemployment skyrocketed and over 100,000 Americans are dead because of a virus the idiot you are telling us is smart let into the country. He ignored his own chief health adviser and now his numbers are terrible. But you are living in the past. Living in the past isn't smart, you see.
Actually, there still is a big if. The final score has not been decided yet. In a soccer game, the score is always changing. The final score is decided when the game is over. Trump's score may be 7-6 right now, but it could be 7-8 later on. The score is always changing, just like in a soccer game. You do not know what the score will be until the game is over, just like in a soccer game. The if will still exist until Trump's "game" is over and you can accurately count the score, just like in a soccer game. Do I need to go on?
Actually, there still is a big if. The final score has not been decided yet.
Listen dummy, your president's incompetence has killed more than 100,000 Americans. If you still intend to vote for him after that then the only logical conclusion is that you're a fucking idiot.
your president's incompetence has killed more than 100,000 Americans.
You are trying to say that Trump's mistake makes the score final. That is false. The score still has not been decided yet. I can't believe that has not sunk in yet.
Shut your idiot mouth. You are attempting to redefine intelligence based on your own partisan politics. That isn't a debate. That's you being a fucking idiot.
No, I am not actually. Everything I mentioned either falls under the intelligence category or is something you need to be intelligent to do, such as business success.
based on your own partisan politics
That is painfully false. Everything that I included in my argument can go for every president, not just Trump.
That is blatantly, objectively what you are doing. Nothing about Donald Trump suggests that he is intelligent. He is widely regarded as probably the most stupid world leader in history, with the possible exception of the last Republican president. You are a partisan idiot who wants to believe Donald Trump is intelligent because you have a partisan political bias. That's the only reason. You know it and I know it, so I'm not interested in your false protests of innocence when the evidence convicting you is splashed across every corner of this debate.
That is painfully false.
You are painfully false. You are insisting a man who is not intelligent is intelligent, and the only reason is your own political bias. When you try to convince us that "job creation" is the same thing as IQ then you reveal pretty clearly your extremist pro-corporate politics. You're an intellectually dishonest little liar, and that is all I have to say on the matter.
That is blatantly, objectively what you are doing.
You deliberately mislead your audience in an attempt to persuade them to favor big business and the Democratic Party. That is not an honest approach to public debate. That is, by definition, trolling.
Nothing about Donald Trump suggests that he is intelligent.
Tell that to all the intellectuals who adore him and that cannot stop talking about his intellectual prowess. Trump has repeatedly said, and repeatedly said, that the Republican Party is full of intellectuals. That's how dumb you clearly are, that you think that because you're not bright he must be dumb.
He is widely regarded as probably the most stupid world leader in history, with the possible exception of the last Republican president.
You mean Hitler. Trump is smart, and Trump knows he is smart. Just because you are a true believer who can't recognize anything intelligent unless it is from a CNN news anchor, that doesn't mean everyone else has the same limitations.
You are a partisan idiot who wants to believe Donald Trump is intelligent because you have a partisan political bias.
You ignore evidence that contradicts your agenda. That is why you are a partisan, propaganda, and that's why you are an idiot.
That's the only reason.
No. You are being a dishonest partisan.
You know it and I know it, so I'm not interested in your false protests of innocence when the evidence convicting you is splashed across every corner of this debate.
That's false. All the evidence shows us is that you worship Joe Biden and that you always ignore anything Donald Trump says that might cast a shadow on your beliefs, because that suggests you're not as smart as he is.
Just because we typically list expressed symptoms on death certificates rather than root causes doesn't mean those things aren't associated with the deaths.
Obviously, you live in a heavy smog where you can't SEE very well. Mexico City, maybe?? Where the death toll from pollution is maybe the highest in the world .... where they don't have the YUGE difference that we have in LA from what it used to be .... where the death rate from "premature death" has dropped considerably. It USED to be that people couldn't see in LA quite often. Not nearly as often today and largely due to emission regulations!
This is a lot of words to explain what nearly everybody WITH a "reasonable" IQ, KNOWS!
(ONE reason that we KNOW Trump's isn't very high! We can SEE it, thanks to the clear air! ;-)
Not sure who you mean, most car manufacturers typically give more to Republicans - even makers of efficient cars like Toyota. Either way, people have said for decades that making cars safer and more efficient would make cars unaffordable, yet increased standards certainly hasn't resulted in a dearth of cars in America.
Increased efficiency can reduce the total cost of ownership of the car, paying engineers to design better cars creates good jobs, and, oh yeah, less pollution... win/win/win
The 2009 flu pandemic in the United States was a novel strain of the Influenza A/H1N1 virus, commonly referred to as "swine flu", that was first detected on 15 April 2009.[116] Later that April, both the World Health Organization and the Obama administration declared a public health emergency.[116]
The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates there were 60.8 million cases, 274,000 hospitalizations, and 12,469 deaths in the United States due to the virus.[117]
False equivalency. Obama didn't lie about his numbers. Or let a killer virus wipe out 100,000 Americans.
How do you know Obama didn't lie about his numbers?
He did have tens of thousands die from multiple viruses of which he took no early measures despite having no more information than Trump did on the Coronavirus.
100,000 more completely preventable, completely unnecessary deaths to the man we are ALL convinced is bad for America.
COVID was much more deadly, but Obama didn't know the lethality of his viruses and still used less preventative measures at a much slower pace than Trump. Biden's own advisor said they got lucky and that the response did not go smoothly.
Klain says his comments: "referred solely to the administration’s difficulties in producing enough of an H1N1 vaccine to meet public demand. The Obama team, he says, quickly adapted to the situation, making choices that were starkly different from those the Trump administration would make 11 years later, such as quickly distributing emergency equipment from the federal stockpile, deferring to public health experts and having them take the lead on messaging."
1)You still haven't told us the physical thing he could have done, so I'll assume you couldn't figure it out and in your desperation to respond, gave us a nonanswer.
2)Dr Fauci said in late January:
"But this is not a major threat to the people of the United States and this is not something that the citizens of the United States right now should be worried about."
"if the country had locked down two weeks earlier, 54,000 fewer people would have died by early May, according to new estimates from Columbia University disease modelers"
Instead he claims that banning most travel from China (which dozens of countries did before him, including Italy, and has very little effect) saved 'hundreds of thousands of lives'. utter-B.S. based on nothing, but fans of the con-man eat it up like all the other lies.
The first-affected area in the continental United States, the Wynwood neighborhood of Miami, was declared Zika-free in September, 2016.[130] After the virus stopped circulating in South Beach, all of Florida was declared Zika-free in December, 2016.[131] One case of local transmission was reported in Texas up until September, 2017.[132] As of 2018, Zika remains endemic in Puerto Rico,[133] but the number of cases was reduced from about 8,000 reported per month at the peak in August 2016 to about 10 reported per month in April 2017.[134]
So you're comparing 5,000 cases of a benign virus to a confirmed 2.3 MILLION cases of a deadly bat flu. And ten minutes earlier you were accusing me of "false equivalency".
You're a pathetically stupid, bent fucking idiot pal. You are so crooked and so obnoxiously dishonest that I wager you would struggle to lie straight in bed.
The actual numbers do not agree with your "tens of thousands" claim. They only show that you are a liar:-
Obama faced multiple pandemics, and here are the numbers on just one of them.
Over the course of a year, the H1N1 flu infected 60 million Americans, and claimed 12,469 lives, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
So your claim that it wasn't tens of thousands is false.
And according to Ron Klain, who was Biden’s chief of staff at the time:
If H1N1 had been more lethal, America would have gotten the same or worse results as Coronavirus did.
The snafu was the first of many scrambles and setbacks by the Obama administration in its initial response to the swine flu. POLITICO interviewed almost two dozen people, including administration officials, members of Congress and outsiders who contended with the administration’s response, and they described a litany of sadly familiar obstacles: vaccine shortfalls, fights over funding and sometimes contradictory messaging.
“It is purely a fortuity that this isn’t one of the great mass casualty events in American history,” Ron Klain, who was Biden’s chief of staff at the time, said of H1N1 in 2019. “It had nothing to do with us doing anything right. It just had to do with luck. If anyone thinks that this can’t happen again, they don’t have to go back to 1918, they just have to go back to 2009, 2010 and imagine a virus with a different lethality, and you can just do the math on that.”
So you're comparing 5,000 cases of a benign virus to a confirmed 2.3 MILLION cases of a deadly bat flu.
There were over 60 million cases of H1N1 under Obama. That's way more than 2.5 million. If you actually objectively thought Trump's numbers were a poor reflection, you'd be going after Obama's response and numbers. You aren't.
Did the Obama administration deplete the federal stockpile of N95 masks?
As the novel coronavirus pandemic strains health care systems, questions around the U.S. government's response have circulated in the media and online.
On March 26, The Daily Wire published an article centering on the Obama administration’s role in using and allegedly failing to replenish the federal stockpile of N95 masks.
“The Obama administration significantly depleted the federal stockpile of N95 respirator masks to deal with the H1N1 influenza outbreak in 2009 and never rebuilt the stockpile despite calls to do so,” the piece begins.
USA TODAY investigation: US never spent enough on emergency stockpile, former managers say
The article draws from the reporting of outlets including Bloomberg News and the Los Angeles Times. According to Bloomberg News, “after the H1N1 influenza outbreak in 2009, which triggered a nationwide shortage of masks and caused a 2- to 3-year backlog orders for the N95 variety, the stockpile distributed about three-quarters of its inventory and didn’t build back the supply.”
“After the swine flu epidemic in 2009, a safety-equipment industry association and a federally sponsored task force both recommended that depleted supplies of N95 respirator masks, which filter out airborne particles, be replenished by the stockpile,” the Los Angeles Times reported.
Trump was the main reason this didn't pass years ago.
He was trying to mimic Richard Nixon running on law and order and scared the Republican caucus enough that McConnell wouldn't even bring the bill up for a vote - knowing that it would have passed. refref
Which doesn't matter because Democrats were defunding the military prior to Trump, so he took money that wouldn't have existed without him. You are also falsely correlating that taking from the military is objectively bad, which is false because I think it's objectively good, and you don't believe morality or goodness is objective in the first place. So what is your point?
Oh really? Well, that's strange. So, to clarify, Bernie's plans to give people free education and healthcare matter because they will cost too much money, but your plans for building a giant fascist wall around Mexico don't? Gotcha, you retarded hypocrite. Any more absurd double standards you want to share with us today you boring Nazi fuck?
So, to clarify, Bernie's plans to give people free education and healthcare matter because they will cost too much money, but your plans for building a giant fascist wall around Mexico don't?
You are wrong. See, Bernie is a socialist, who are well known for wanting to socialize America. However, that brings up a big problem: America is capitalist. See, socialized medicine, as Bernie is proposing, effectively amounts to having the government give you money and then you pay for your own insurance, or the government pays, which ultimately is taxpayer money. Now, what makes America so great is the rich decide how much they earn, and the government is just a figure in the background, ensuring that their citizens and businesses are secure. Socialized medicine and other "socialist" reforms are bad for the economy, so no wonder the market disagrees with Bernie.
Regarding Bernie's free education: since there is already free public education in America, how is Bernie's free education different? Oh, it isn't. His is just the free public education in America plus a mandatory government internship. Now, I have issues with that. Internships are for people who aren't ready to work full time, and forcing people to work full time at a company, in addition to doing their schooling, just feeds them propaganda. Oh, and do you really think the average high schooler can find a job that suits them? In a country where the average person's parents have at least a bachelor's degree, that tends to not be the case. Oh, but you're still young, it doesn't matter. What happens if you do get a job that pays well? You can't do anything with it because your time must be devoted to the government, because public schools in America teach kids to be good and obedient citizens (which is why young people support Bernie and why so many hate America).
Now, you bringing up a double standard is funny. Why am I not surprised you're a hypocrite as well?
Any more absurd double standards you want to share with us today you boring Nazi fuck?
Ah, the classic Ad Homiem that you bring to the table. It will always be a logical fallacy, and you will always use it, no matter how much it devalues your argument.
Bernie Sanders is a liar. Of course he takes advantage of capitalism in his personal life, all while openly supporting socialism and communism in his professional life as a career politician. And let's talk about how Bernie Sanders ...... a broke, failed carpenter who wrote about rape fantasies became a politician and now owns multiple homes. It's shameful!!!! And Bernie Sanders has done NOTHING to improve the lives of his constituents in Vermont.
Of course he takes advantage of capitalism in his personal life, all while openly supporting socialism and communism
Hello D:
Dude! Taking advantage of capitalism in your personal life is the very definition of a capitalist.. It's what capitalists, like you and me, do every day..
Clearly, you are unable to distinguish socilISTIC programs, like Social Security, from actual socialISM..
But, it's how he lives ON THE GROUND that makes him a capitalist or a commie.. And, ON THE GROUND, he's a capitalist. He COULD give away his houses.. He COULD give away his income.. But, he doesn't..
Excon, I don't think you are a coherent and skilled debater. You seem to have a GOAL to only embarrass and humiliate yourself. I feel that you probably have a drug and/or mental health problem. I'm truly sorry, but you simply do not make clear sense in your arguments.
"The Democrats pork put into the stimulus bill added trillions to the debt."
Trillions??? You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. The entire stimulus bill (ARRA) was only about $800 billion and more than 35% of that was in tax cuts, not spending.
You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. The entire stimulus bill (ARRA) was only about $800 billion
"The Trump administration and Congress have enacted three separate coronavirus-relief packages at a total cost of more than $2 trillion.
The most recent legislation—the CARES Act—provides $1.8 trillion in direct aid to individuals and businesses, the largest stimulus package in U.S. history."
Congress Shovels Trillions at Virus, With No Endgame in Sight
"As lawmakers scramble to assemble the largest government relief effort in decades, they are locked in a cycle of reacting to events and hoping for better economic news."
I posted about the 2009 stimulus (ARRA), since clearly you couldn't mean that you think a majority Republican Senate unanimously passed and President Trump signed a $1.8 trillion dollar stimulus which somehow adds trillions in Democratic pork to the debt - right?
majority Republican Senate unanimously passed and President Trump signed a $1.8 trillion dollar stimulus which somehow adds trillions in Democratic pork to the debt - right?
They presented abill without the Democrats' pork, then they tried to hold emergency relief hostage, knowing the Republicans will try to protect the people and push it through.
False equivalency. Trump hasn't had a second term. Your article doesn't compare Obama's first term to Trump's first term for obvious reasons. And if Trump's second term is better than Obama's second term, you won't be back to take back your false equivalency.
You laughably stupid twit. If comparing your claim of "new jobs" to the last creator of new jobs is a "false equivalency", then what the hell is it when you are on the far right and accuse liberals of being fascists? You are literally a goddamned retard.
Trump hasn't had a second term.
Does job creation require a second term you retard? Obama has factually created more jobs than Trump. Since you were the idiot who brought up job creation in the first place, it's a bit fucking late to object to Obama creating more jobs than Trump.
to take back your false equivalency.
Obama created more jobs in his second term than Trump did in his first. That's called a fact, not a false equivalency.
You laughably stupid twit. If comparing your claim of "new jobs" to the last creator of new jobs is a "false equivalency",
Comparing a first term to someone else's second term is the false equivalency. Every President's second term takes a drastic turn for change due to no reason to pander to anyone for votes, seeing you get no third term. Obama admitted this.
Next, calling people names is not how you convince someone to your point of view. You might enjoy studying psychology. After getting up to snuff on basic psychology you will realize you are addicted to rage and convincing no one to your point of view.
Comparing a first term to someone else's second term is the false equivalency.
Lol. So my jobs are worth less because I created them at a different time than you did? Look moron, you don't understand how this works. You can't go back and change your argument after your argument has been debunked. That's called cheating you stupid fuck.
Every President's second term takes a drastic turn for change
At no time did you specify that creating jobs is only good if you do it in your first term. You are changing your original argument because your original argument was debunked and now you need an excuse about why when Trump creates jobs it is different to when everybody else creates jobs. Let's just take a step back and have a look at how many jobs Trump has lost, shall we?
U.S. Unemployment Is At Its Highest Rate Since The Great Depression At 14.7%—With 20.5 Million More Jobs Lost In April.
Let's just take a step back and have a look at how many jobs Trump has lost, shall we?
U.S. Unemployment Is At Its Highest Rate Since The Great Depression At 14.7%—With 20.5 Million More Jobs Lost In April.
Nobody blames Trump for having the lowest unemployment rate in 60 years, a pandemic hurting the economy and then bouncing back despite left wing areas trying to still keep everything closed. You give us April stats and ommit the current stats? Are you stupid?
Let me guess. Losing 20 million jobs a month doesn't matter if it happens in your first term, right?
You're a fucking retard. You literally are stupid as fuck.
Pretending like a pandemic hit will be how rational moderates see politics over the record numbers prior to it is amateur. I wouldn't say you are stupid as fuck as to not demean or offend the word fuck. You are way stupider than that.
If the definition of “smart,” at least for this purpose, folds in raw intelligence, street smarts, intuition, real-world experience, business success, job creation, wealth creation, a fighter’s instinct, and knowing when to roll the dice or to bluff, then Trump might stand relatively high on the presidential “smarts” pyramid.
But that isn't the definition of smart. None of the things you have mentioned appear anywhere in an IQ test. I mean, what the literal fuck? Job creation? I have to be smart to create jobs? In that case Paris Hilton must be a genius because she employs plenty of people. Kim Kardashian too. Couple of regular scholars, those two.
And street smarts? Ahahahahahaha! Are you even serious? What do you think would happen if someone dropped Trump off in Compton or Harlem right now?
I think the fact of the matter is that you are almost certainly stupid and narcissistic too, so Trump is a hero to you because he validates a lot of the myths you have learned about life. Like writing 10,000 words because you're stupid enough to think that equals relevance and/or importance.
Yes, Job creation. I bet you couldn't go out right now and create jobs for people. But if it "does not require much intelligence", then, by all means, go do it. I would love to see how far you get.
In that case Paris Hilton must be a genius because she employs plenty of people. Kim Kardashian too.
Employment is not the same as job creation. How can you even get those confused? Employment is something that's already there that someone goes looking for so they can get paid. Job creation is opening up employment opportunities. Want an example? Trump has moved car factories back to the US. This creates job opportunities. In other words, Employment opportunities.
Your argument is overall weak because you are pinning everything I say to the definition of smart when I literally said in my argument: at least for this purpose. I was using the context-defined definition of smart to correspond to what it takes to be president. After all, this debate is about the current US president, is it not?
Lol. Are you an idiot? Before Paris Hilton created the job of Paris Hilton's chauffeur, there was no job as Paris Hilton's chauffeur. Hence, she created a job. Hence, she must be intelligent. Equally, Kim Kardashian is a genius for creating a job for someone to airbrush her fat ass in photographs.
The things you are writing are so ridiculous there is no reasonable response other than to just laugh at them. "Employment is not the same as job creation. But job creation is the same as intelligence." Good one, you silly little monkey. Next you are going to tell us that human philanthropy and the banking system are the same thing, right?
Take Paris Hilton for example, She single-handedly increased employment opportunities and entrepreneurial activity in the economy. Therefore, she must be intelligent. Equally, Kim Kardashian is a genius for creating a job for someone to airbrush her butt in photographs.
In fact, if you multiply the activities of Paris Hilton by the 0.00001 percentile of Kardashians, and the 99.9999 percentile of the rest of the population, you'll realize that Kardashians are more "intelligent" than Paris Hilton.
NO. She is smart, and the fact her organization employs 10 people is equivalent to a retarded person spelling "She is smart." And saying "spells she smart, dude". Meaning that, if Paris Hilton says "she is smart", she is still smart, just like if she employs 10 people she is still smart.
This debate is intended to use real research to decide whether Trump does or does not have a high IQ.
Is this a serious question? Because the man is a goddamned moron. If your interpretation of having a high IQ is when someone tells you they have a high IQ then Trump has a high IQ. Otherwise, he's a goddamned moron who can barely structure a coherent sentence.
Trump is NOT a moron. He has accomplished so much more stuff than you would have ever done. He's not perfect, he's not a saint, and he is human, so sometimes he says things he shouldn't.. but think about it.
Trump worked to bring back all jobs that had been moving overseas - that your competitors have enjoyed being able to have a job, but that YOU were UNABLE to have one because your boss moved all his jobs overseas so that he could make MORE MONEY!!
Do you really think a moron would have the guts to tell Apple "pay your taxes!"?
Do you really think a moron would have the guts to tell Google "stop lying about your numbers!"?
Do you really think a moron would have the guts to tell Boeing and Lockheed and all of those aircraft companies how useless their products are.... and how much they make on each plane, and how much money that's costing us as a country?
Do you really think a moron would have the guts to have the guts to overhaul our Military from top to bottom - and bring our boys home, and let Germany and Russia and Japan and Germany pay for THEIR defense???????
I don't think so..
BUT, a moron - probably would have...
Trump is NOT a moron, because most Americans share his concerns. And they're scared.. and rightly so...
Trump is vogelfutter..... and he's a very rich man..... and thank God, he's on our side....
THIS is ALL about 'we the people', and getting together, and making our country great again.
You left out 3.5% unemployment and that 30,000 DOW. It doesn't fit your narrative of climbing into the history books rather than confront the results of this Presidency.
You left out 3.5% unemployment and that 30,000 DOW.
Yeah, it's weird how people only remember how you end up, not how you start. You must love Hitler too right, because he had very impressive economic numbers and even more impressive unemployment rates. For a while. Until he fucked everything up just like Trump.
Oh, but you "left out" that, didn't you. That he fucked it all up. He let a virus into the country which destroyed the economy, increased unemployment by six times and killed over 100,000 Americans. Weird how you left that part out, right?
Look.. Anybody who wears a birds nest on his head, and thinks we believe it's real, is STUPID, STUPID, STUPID..
Anyone who claims white supremacists are everywhere, then starts killing whites in Democrat cities, while pretending they have to be Republicans, despite Republicans living in small towns and farms is stupid, stupid, stupid.
I would ask, does the Trumplican Party have a high IQ? They back him when he outdoes what they USED to attack Obama for!
Trump said he wouldn't have time to play golf, he'd be too busy as President.
He's played, in 4 years, as much OR MORE than Obama did in 8!
The Trumplicans said Obama can't speak without a teleprompter.
Trump has trouble speaking ENGLISH and has to read every word ... when he doesn't he gets himself in trouble ... and even when he DOES, he gets himself in trouble.
Trump said he wouldn't take a salary.
He doesn't NEED one! His $133,000,000 golf games at his properties fill HIS pockets with more money than other Presidents COULD make!
Trump and those who back him said: "Obama has a secret army and they're coming after U.S.! It never materialized! Yesterday Trump had an army WITH NO IDENTIFYING INSIGNIA standing guard in front of HIS HOUSE! (He thinks).
The Trumpists said, many times, that: "Obama will have black helicopters attacking U.S.! Yesterday he had BLACKHAWK Helicopters trying to instill fear in American PEACEFUL PROTESTERS! Citizens expressing their 1st Amendment rights!
Trump swore to defend AND protect American citizens, NOT send the military to silence them!
Obama went to church to pray, often. Trump went to church (dutifully), at his inauguration, and touched the Bible on the same day. The next time he touched the Bible he used it as a photo-op prop ... and was castigated by a Bishop and many other religious leaders and citizens! WAKE UP, TRUMPLICANS!
Someone said Mrs. Obama was never a politician. That doesn't mean she's not one of, or thee, most politically popular persons in the country. Unlike the MOP!
