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Debate Score:25
Arguments:22
Total Votes:27
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Does Universal Morality Exist?

Is there such a thing as universally shared morals across the human species?

Can something be considered universal if there is even a single exception?

Yes

Side Score: 9
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No

Side Score: 16
1 point

Just for arguments sake. What about child molestation or rape. Are those not always morally wrong?

Side: Yes
dkforizzle(175) Disputed
3 points

To me they are morally wrong, but to child molesters it is not wrong. How can our moral beliefs be said to be more valid than theirs? Morals are subjective and do not represent objective truth.

Side: No
kozlov(1755) Disputed
1 point

It is morally wrong to anyone with a sound mind. Child molesters are not usually of sound mind, and if they are, they do not care if what they do is morally wrong.

Side: Yes
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Please God. . . . let me be brief.

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Yes.

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All things are good.

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God is the foundation of consciousness and life, and God's primary expression is Love. Thus the statement, "God is Love."

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God wanted something. That which He (Him is just better He/She/It) wanted, Him LOVED.

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God is pure mathematical truth, giving pure functionality to the Universe. However, this state of purity is not held in form, but in the Void. But, truth has no expression in the void. Things that might have gravity, energy, pressures, etc, cannot exist without some sort of "thing" to act on.

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Skipping ahead a little bit. . . . .

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In order to express truth and possible truths, God said, "Let there be Light." God divided the Zero. He created Matter and Anti-matter by separating the Nothingness, (albeit some formless being.)

The first form of in the Universe was Light, from which all things that exist were made. God beheld the Light and saw that it was Good. (Mathematically, it's a little more complex then that.)

The Light was born out of the desire of God, the Want, The Emptiness, and the Need. The Light existed but for one reason, to fulfill the desires of God. Being omni-conscious, God knew all things. Any pain felt within the creation, God felt. All Life is One.

In order to create "beings" the "oneness" had to be divided. Just as God had divided Matter and Anti-Matter to create the White Light, God divided the White Light into the 12 Rays. Basically the 7 major colors and 5 augmented colors. And of course, the 12 colors, exist in octaves. All things have some sort of vibration, which is congruent with the "Word of God."

Even though God had divided "something" in Matter and Anti-Matter, the Truth cannot be broken, for truth is Law. Somewhere, somehow, the oneness is maintained. And likewise even though White Light is split into the 12, the mathematical truth demanded that it remain White Light at some level of reality and that the separation is merely an illusion of consciousness.

As the 12 "elders" move forth through time and settling into different octaves of the electromagnetic wave lengths, other beings were created. But each creation has a lineage of love and desire that created it. However, each time the Light split or divided into something, it lost a little bit of the "truth" and slipped deeper into illusion. For the only way to create "individuals" is to separate them from the "tree" so to speak.

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Skipping ahead. . . . .

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Humans are down the line a ways. Humans are also a little bit different. . . . . I think.

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Humans are multidimensional beings, having a rather complex structure. They are a mixture of animal, higher truth, and higher consciousness. At the core of all things is the pure truth, but for some, it is way down there.

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Humans have many animalistic desires and instincts that come pre-installed on the genetic hard-drive. All of these instincts and desires have a purpose. They are the successful and survival codes of the human race. Every living thing has a line of success from the first life form to now.

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On top of that, there is a "soul" that enters the body that is a higher consciousness and energy that is more eternal in nature. The root of the Soul is original element of the universe and is more or less the Sun of God. It has the same sort of "omni-consciousness" the "Light" does. However, the intent all along was to "bring to pass the immortality of God's children." To take "universal truth" and give it personality is a task only a God would undertake.

The goal is really pretty simple: Develop personality that can survive the presence of eternal and infinite truth. We have two basic compasses in this world. Guilt is an indicator that we have offended the larger group. Pain lets us know when something in our internal systems is wrong.

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If we cause pain to another, guilt should inform us our transgression.

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If we feel pain, chances are we done something wrong, perceived something wrong, or perhaps simply had something go wrong.

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Truth is no respecter of persons. If you accidently step on a nail, truth basically says, "look where you are going."

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Humans have a list of needs a mile long. All needs are legit and rooted in success and goodness. However, human's have one special power that other lifeforms may not. They have choice. If they don't like something, they can chose to ignore it. Maybe a millionaire is walking into his office and ignores the homeless person begging for money. Deep inside, there is a heart of compassion, but the millionaire has silenced it because people were taking advantage of it. So even though ignoring the homeless seems immoral, the millionaire does so in what he sees as self-preservation and survival will supersede morality every time. In fact, nature intentionally developed a cold-hearted bastard part in all of us so if pushed came to shove, we would survive.

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Life has a fundamental formula for success. Some of the most important are 1) survival, 2) stimulation/pleasure 3) happiness, 4) perfection, and a few others. If it is alive, it has a desire for these things.

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In humans, due some strange and complex lifestyle, these desires can get twisted and messed up. For example: The child molester was mentioned. Men often have a desire to be "strong" as part of their identity. If a boy grows up with an abusive father, there is a chance he feels scared and weak inside. While perhaps not necessary to ALL life, in American culture a man is supposed to be strong.

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There is an old phrase: In the heart of every hero is a wounded child.

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The need to be strong can influence and alter a man's reality. Molesting children isn't about sex, it's about power. Deep from within the molester is the need to be strong.

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Right and wrong follow a simply formula. You want it - You get it. The right and wrong is in the how. If you are hurt and wounded and you become a fireman to find your strength, then good job. If you are hurt and wounded and you molest children, whoops, wrong answer!!!

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The Universal Morality now kicks in. Wanting strength wasn't wrong. Molesting children is. Some people steal stuff they need it. The desire isn't wrong, the technique or method of obtaining is.

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Guilt will kick in and let the people know, "you have done wrong."

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Chances are. . . . they already knew that. So they will ignore that inner voice. And each time they commit the crime, the consciousness will push up to be heard and of course, it will be ignored. It will get harder and harder to ignore. Soon the person will turn to drugs or other self-abuses to silence the voices of guilt, and the guilt will push harder, and the person will take more extreme measures to silence the voices.

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Guilt will chase you to the ends of the earth. Just because you can ignore them now, doesn't mean that you will always be able to. There is only one path to peace and that is with a clear conscious. The consciousness can be very forgiving, but by damn, you better learn your lesson. You fall of the wagon, so to speak, and it will tear you up.

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The child molester wants happiness and peace. Unfortunately for him, to clear his conscious, he will have to know the pain he caused.

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Summary: All consciousness is one. Our subconscious is an abyss of awareness and interconnections. The more we try to block the consciousness that would correct our behavior, the more dysfunctional we become, and with dysfunction comes pain. Eventually the pain will become so intense, the truth of our wrong doing won't seem that bad and we turn toward the Light.

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And JESUS SCORES A TOUCHDOWN!!!!!

Don't me started on the Devil. I love that bastard.

Side: Yes
1 point

thanks for helping to prove prayer don't work.

Side: Yes

LOL, not when it comes to keeping this stuff. It was more of my plea for God to keep it brief. >: )

Side: Yes
Jace(5220) Disputed
1 point

Bypassing my disagreement that a human soul exists and that God is love, I will move to what I think is your greater argument. You argue that those who do "bad" feel guilty because of it, yet scientifically we know that there are people who are biologically incapable of feeling remorse, shame, or guilt as a consequence of committing acts which the majority of the population find to be heinously wrong.

You speak to a universal moral compass that is innate to each of us, yet what is wrong in one culture is not necessarily held as wrong in another and will not cause a feeling of guilt in its individuals.

Side: No
LordChallen(184) Disputed
1 point

Jace

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I understand what you are saying about biology. Some time children are born their skin born inside out. Weird stuff happens. I do not understand evety thing about biology and I do not understand why sometimes that.

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Sometimes I tgink nature does it to help us learn compassion. It takes a village to raise a children. Is everything was perfect nothing would every grow. Pure perfection exist in a vacuum. The moment God split the Zero into Matter and Antimatter things have been imperfect.

Life has one goal and that is to live. Anything that fits overall picture fits the morality of Life.

Side: Yes
2 points

Based on the definition of universal I would say no.

Side: No
Jace(5220) Clarified
1 point

Which definition would that be? The literal "whole universe" or the social conception such as when it is used in phrases such as "Universal Declaration of Human Rights" or universal healthcare?

Side: Yes

There's no foundation for it. The only possible foundation would be a God of sorts, but the ambiguous nature of such a being means proof of a universal morality would also be hard to come by.

Side: No
Jace(5220) Disputed
1 point

This is not my actual stance, but for the sake of debate:

Many argue that there are generally shared principles and mores across human societies and throughout human history, such as viewing murder as immoral. If the majority of people can be seen to share the same morals across societies, does that indicate that there is something "universal" about them?

Side: Yes
ChuckHades(3197) Disputed
1 point

No, because "majority" is not the same as "universal". You can't declare a unanimous verdict with 51% of the opinion, for example. And that still provides no foundation, which makes the fact that the majority find one thing bad nothing more than an ad populum.

Side: No

Sorry, double post. . . . . . .. . . . . . . .............................

Side: Yes

While there are universal cognitive characteristics, i don't believe there are any morals upon everyone in the world can agree with.

Side: No
1 point

If there is a single exception, then something cannot be universally true. The exception would be a place in the universe where the premiss didnt hold true therefore making it not universal. Morals are subjective and are therefore non representative of objective truth

Side: No