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No it doesnt Yes it does
Debate Score:125
Arguments:114
Total Votes:143
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Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?

The Christmas holiday was made from Christian Culture and is a Christian holiday. That being said, does it make any sense for an athiets to celebrate a religious, Christian holiday?

No it doesnt

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Yes it does

Side Score: 70
2 points

As we all know, atheists do not only believe that Christianity is wrong but all religion is wrong and that there is no type of God or higher being. I see atheist youtubers most of the time bash on primarily the Christian community and not other religions. Since Christmas is a religious holiday, a Christian holiday, it doesn't make sense for them to not only take part in it but also support it. The true meaning of Christmas and the Christmas story is about the birth of Jesus, our Lord and Savior. Christmas is celebrating Jesus' birth day. So since atheists don't believe in Jesus, why would he celebrate his birthday? To put insult over injury (for the atheist community), every house that Iv been to during Christmas and every family know that celebrates Christmas, Christians and atheists alike, I see either a Star or an Angel on top of the tree. The Star represents the North Star that lead the 3 wiseman along with everyone else to see Jesus and the Angel represents the Angel Gabriel that came to Mary the Mother of God to tell her that she is will child. So why would atheists do this? For the life of me, I have no idea. I can't tell you why because it doesn't make any sense but what I can't tell you is that it doesn't make any sense.

Side: No it doesnt
Cartman(18192) Disputed
1 point

I can't tell you why because it doesn't make any sense but what I can't tell you is that it doesn't make any sense.

Atheists are willing to participate in holidays that bring people together because they are able to independently determine what information is good and what is bad. Unlike religious people who need others to interpret what they believe, Atheists can participate in events that don't support atheism because it doesn't matter what you participate in.

Side: Yes it does
icxc_nika(62) Disputed
1 point

First of all thank you for that comment. I guessing you are an atheist and this website is some what a battle between atheists and Christians but I think it's an exchange of ideas and that's why I like your comment. This is a question that can some what confuse Christians and atheists alike. At first it did confuse me. I like what you said in in the first sentence of your response where by atheists being able to see right and wrong, morality ahah, they can see that Christmas is a time of bringing people together and that's very good. Here is where we differ. The part that doesn't make any sense is the reason why we come together during the Christmas season is to celebrate the birth of Jesus. Not just because it's for family to come together. I mean that could be any time of the year. It also doesn't make sense because of your last statement where you say atheists can go to an event that doesn't support atheism because it doesn't matter. Let's put that in another example by saying that there's a pro choice person partaking in the pro life March. It doesn't make sense because that's what there against is pro life. Another example would be for like a black person to go to a KKK rally. It doesn't make sense. Like I said before the whole reason for Christmas is the celebration of the birth of Our God that I believe in. It makes no sense for an atheist to partake in something they don't believe in no matter if they care or not.

Side: No it doesnt
Jace(5050) Disputed
1 point

People celebrate religious holidays from traditions they do not believe in for multiple reasons, and the practice is not restricted to atheists.

For atheists living in predominantly Christian the odds of having Christian friends and family who celebrate the holiday are quite high, and therefore so are the chances of being invited to celebrate the holiday with those people. Agreeing to partake in the holiday is a way of sharing in something that is important to someone who is important to you, and does not have to be about your own beliefs in any way. Some atheists may not be out to their friends and family either, meaning that they have to celebrate the holiday or out themselves which can be painful if not dangerous. Christmas is also just as cultural as it is religious for a lot of people, so participating in it can be merely a matter of connecting to their family's heritage or relating to mainstream Christian society; again, belief is not necessary nor is non-belief a contradiction.

Side: Yes it does
2 points

Not only does it not make sense on the face of it, but if you really think about it, it's kind of insulting in a way.

Side: No it doesnt
GenericName(3430) Clarified
0 points

Can you explain how it is insulting?

Side: No it doesnt
0 points

Atheits don't even know how to smell good. If they use smellcheck, it would give "atheist" as the correct smelling of Athehits.

Side: No it doesnt
Aspire(62) Clarified
2 points

Mocking someone without a reasonable argument in the debate. - 1

Considering people are human and make mistakes I can reasonably see this person typing a little fast and hitting the key strokes in the wrong order. I've spelt you as "yuo" before. You being such a Christian would lead me to believe you actually believed in forgiveness and would let something this small go; I guess you really are the hypocrite I made you out to be.

Side: No it doesnt
1 point

You are like a silly caricature of everything you hate.

Side: No it doesnt
4 points

Christmas is a pagan holiday that was hijacked by Christians.

Side: Yes it does
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
2 points

Catholics are pagans. Christmas gained popularity through culture. There's a wonderful story behind how it spread until it was accepted as a tradition and the birth of Christ becoming the main point, so that generally everybody accepted it as a traditional holiday. I forget the details, but there was a half hour radio program dedicated to the history, with many events and accounts building on each other until the holiday was embraced by pretty much everybody in every faith including atheists.

Of course an apetheist cannot celebrate Christmas since they believe there is no Christ, no Messiah. But they can still enjoy the holiday tradition...they just can't call it a holiday because that's a holy day. They can enjoy the family tradition, and many do it with Christians and what's wrong with that? They are just lost and dying and on their way to Hell, but why not let them enjoy Christmas? Poor atheists can't enjoy life for long, let them celebrate Christmas if they can be happy for a few minutes.

Side: No it doesnt
ProLogos(2794) Disputed
1 point

The Grinch stole Christmas, therefore everyone has a right to celebrate it.

Now do you see how dumb your argument looks ?

Side: No it doesnt
Cartman(18192) Disputed
2 points

The debate description is false. My argument directly addresses the incorrect statement in the description.

I tried warning you about this last time. Oh well.

Side: Yes it does

The holiday seems to be more about giving, and receiving, gifts and being happy. I don't see why it wouldn't make sense for anyone to not celebrate it. It barely seems religious anymore.

Side: Yes it does
icxc_nika(62) Disputed
1 point

Just because it "seems" barley religious still makes it religious. And that's not a true statement. Christmas is an extremely religious holiday because it's not only about giving and receiving but it's also about the celebration of the birth of Jesus. Look this up on google:

Christmas is the Christian festival celebrating Christs birth in the church

Plus Christmas has the word Christ in it.

Side: No it doesnt
2 points

The very fact that Christmas has been secularized and commercialized is evidence of its waning religious affiliation. The fact that atheists do indeed celebrate Christmas is more evidence that it is not an entirely religious holiday anymore, despite the etymology of the name.

Side: Yes it does

I'm well aware of that. I never said it wasn't. We celebrate the birth of Jesus on Christmas. This debate is talking about Atheists. You do have to admit that Santa Claus gets more notoriety on Christmas that Jesus does.

Side: No it doesnt
2 points

Christmas Day is a national holiday. Maybe the "birth of Christ" aspect of it is only for Christians, but it's turned into a Hallmark holiday that is just a way for companies to make money.

Side: Yes it does

It may be religious for some, but for me it's just a holiday with family, food and a good time. That works for me.

Side: Yes it does
1 point

Thats how I got my ps4 sooooooooooooooo.............................................................................. I suck at this

Side: Yes it does
1 point

Origin:

Roman pagans first introduced the holiday of Saturnalia, a week long period of

lawlessness celebrated between December 17-25. During this period, Roman

courts were closed, and Roman law dictated that no one could be punished for

damaging property or injuring people during the week long celebration.

Inheritance of Saturnalia:

In the 4th century CE, Christianity imported the Saturnalia festival hoping to

take the pagan masses in with it.The problem was that there was nothing

intrinsically Christian about Saturnalia. To remedy this, these Christian leaders

named Saturnalia’s concluding day, December 25th, to be Jesus’ birthday.

Origins of Christmas Customs:

1>Origin of Christmas Tree:Pagans had long worshiped trees in the forest, or

brought them into their homes and decorated them, and this observance was

adopted and painted with a Christian veneer by the Church.

2>Origin of Mistletoe:The Christian custom of “kissing under the mistletoe” is a

later synthesis of the sexual license of Saturnalia with the Druidic sacrificial

cult.

Conclusion:Many of the most popular Christmas customs – including Christmas trees,

mistletoe, Christmas presents, and Santa Claus – are modern incarnations

of the most depraved pagan rituals ever practiced on earth.

Side: Yes it does
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
2 points

While your facts are probably accurate enough, they are terribly sketchy of the history of how Christmas became accepted among Christians even though it's pagan roots never have been a secret.

You act like you are exposing big secrets....all you are doing is showing ignorance of history.

I am fully aware of all your facts and the pagan roots of Christmas, yet I thoroughly enjoy the holiday (that's an abbreviation of holy day, a day set apart for the Lord) and the season which is an excellent tool for focusing on the Savior who is the Creator and took on human form to suffer in our place and provide a covering for our sins with His innocent blood. I will not have a Christmas tree or any reference to Santa Clause or any other pagan idol in my house, but still enjoy celebrating the message of the Christmas holiday. "Christ mass" is Catholic terminology and the whole Catholic dogma is pagan to the core, through and through, with false representations of Biblical characters and fraudulent representations of concepts to replace Biblical doctrine.....however, Christmas is the legally established name of the national holiday.

Let the atheists celebrate Christmas as pagans, or even as nothing but atheists enjoying the generosity of the season... and they don't have to acknowledge in this world that Jesus Christ is Lord. They will say in Hell that He is Lord, but they don't have to say it here.

Why is there such a desperate and concerted effort to mar or deny the story of God's declaration through the angel of the Lord saying "Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord. And this shall be a sign unto you; e shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger. And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying, .....................(space added for emphasis)..........

Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.

This is the message of Christmas and the Catholic/pagan roots can not blot out the message. It is because of the promotion of the message that real Christians outside of Catholic pagan fake Christianity embraced the holiday......and the events which popularized the celebration are quite remarkable and sadly ignored by this kind of cold hearted listing of facts which are designed as a slander against Jesus Christ.

Side: No it doesnt
Arzul Khan(27) Clarified
0 points

This Is Just My Personal Opinion and Though...It's not directly intended to Harm and hurt feeling and sentiments of Others.

Side: No it doesnt
GenericName(3430) Clarified
0 points

Can you provide any example from a non-Christian source regarding roman laws allowing for harming one's person and property?

Side: No it doesnt
1 point

Well, technically it isn't a Christian holiday but yes, it does make sense. Because some people are born used to it and just do it for fun. Like me. I'm an Atheist but Christmas is fun! It's not even about God anymore anyway.

Side: Yes it does
1 point

It makes just as much sense as a Christian celebrating Halloween, a non-Irish-heritage person celebrating St Patrick's Day, and a non-Mexican-heritage person celebrating Cinco de Mayo.

And actually what does not make sense, ever, is denying your kids part of a fun nationwide celebration date just because you're uptight and closed minded.

Side: Yes it does
1 point

1) It was a pagan holiday date before it was Christmas

2) It has cultural value regardless of religious origin

3) Apparently it pisses off you holy rollers, so heck yeah let's do it.

Side: Yes it does
0 points

Yes, I love celebrating the birth of Bing Crosby and I enjoy ripping open all the presents I get.

Side: Yes it does

There are atheists who celebrate the secular side of Christmas. There are atheists who do exchange gifts during Christmas.

Side: Yes it does

There are two forms of modern day Christmas: "Christ-mass", the Christian religious celebration, and "X-Mass" (to use a joking term), the secular holiday formed around the winter solstice and Yule. Yule and the pagan celebration predate "Christmas", and the Germanic (see: Gaul) traditions regarding feasting and bringing in trees spread throughout much of Europe well before Christianity. These traditions are not inherently Christian, and thus one could take part in them without believing in "Christ-Mass".

I would agree that would be weird if they were putting up pictures of Jesus or singing hymns, but I have yet to see an atheist do anything of the sort.

Side: Yes it does
0 points

Of course it makes sense for atheists to celebrate Christmas. They don't have much time for celebrating anything so they might as well celebrate whatever they can while they can. They are on their way to a place where they will never celebrate anything ever again, so they might as well enjoy everything they can enjoy now. Who can blame them?

Side: Yes it does
Aspire(62) Disputed
0 points

I disagree, with your assessment. Mainly that you are comparing atheists to Stalin, a well known dictator responsible for the deaths of many. Atheists don't celebrate God/christ for they don't believe in him, but Christmas now days is a commercialized holiday that is more about gift giving and receiving than anything else AND like EVERY THING ELSE YOU CHRISTIANS DO .... you shove it down their throats with 27/7 Christmas specials. Why not get into the spirit of the holiday without being religious about it? HAH! the better question is why not. Who knows you might pick up that cute little red head down at the convince store... you know that one of the clubbed foot and crossed eyes?

Side: No it doesnt
1 point

Give Stalin a hug for me.....you can do that, right? You are the god of you can you can do whatever you want.

You were so nasty with me before that I feel like puking when I see your name.

Side: No it doesnt
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

You are nasty and dirty and I expect you to disagree with the truth....you think that by being dirty you have the right to exist outside of Hell. Too bad for you if you want to be full of yourself as you are.

Side: Yes it does
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

In Hell, if you don't get saved from it, you will disagree with God's assessment of your unworthiness of living.

Side: Yes it does
0 points

Where the heck did you come up with all of that? Did he edit his argument because I see no reference to Stalin?

Side: No it doesnt