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 Does online privacy even exist? (14)

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Does online privacy even exist?

Lately big data, social media and intelligence bureaus have constantly been popping up in the news and in discussions regarding its privacy settings and agreements. People share more information with more and more people on social media, but the exact consequences are unknown or written in very small letters in privacy terms and conditions.

For instance, this has made it very easy for a big platform such as Facebook to have outgrown as a huge spy machine (Business insider, 2013). Privacy has also been violated by means of millions of Yahoo webcam images which have been intercepted by surveillance agencies GCHQ and NSA. Not to mention all the other secrets which Edward Snowden revealed to Wikileaks.

But what can be done about all these happenings? Would a sharpening of the online privacy regulations have any effect at all? Can online privacy be made possible at all?

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Online privacy does not exist like we think it does. If someone is brought up with no or very little technology, they might feel like the idea of privacy breaching on the internet is all a joke because they have never had the experience of something happening to their information online. If you talk to someone who lives on the internet, then there is a strong chance that they have had something bad happen to their information on the internet unless they have taken the proper precautions to avoid this. Just like the nazi's, our governments act as if under the name of an enemy against 'safety', they can protect us from the evil doers. Of course this is all a fable. They are the ones we should be protected from. Still, they are too powerful. The NSA, FBI, and even Dutch organisations have all our information. So no, privacy does not exist online. Unless....you're using TOR.

I don't believe online privacy exists. However, I do believe that it is YOUR choice to be on social media at all. I understand this nation-wide panic about sharing information and "where does this information go?!" or "why can people use my information w/o my permission?", but there is a fine line between blaming the big corporations for using your info and posting ANY information online. Once something is on the internet, it is 100% impossible to ever take it off- even if it only existed for 10 seconds. So I say to stick to your guns and stand by all of your actions- whether you think they are private or not. It's not easy at all (maybe even impossible sometimes), but it's better than living in a world where you're scared of technological progression.

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Strongly agree with Thelea. Everything is on record as soon as you publish it online. Nothing gets lost and it may seem really scary, but it's just how our world evolved and therefore we have to adjust to it, as long as our privacy is not violated.

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I understand your point AdePrio, but what do you think about the vague borders between adjusting to these developments and the violation of privacy?

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As far as I am concerned, it does not exist. I also find it very naive when you actually believe that whatever you post on line, is kept in total secrecy and only visible to those you decide to share it with. We live in a day and age where many decide to share everything on line, rather than discussing if privacy exists, we should inform people on HOW they can increase their privacy.

I agree with the others that online privacy does not exist. If you decide to go online on your computer or smartphone you give away certain information about yourself. Even though we think we can control who sees your information and especially who doesn't see your information that is not true. I just read a book about this subject and it shocked me. I thought my settings for Facebook etc. were very private but via small updates Facebook can change them agin without you knowing. So no it doesn't exist, but if you are aware of that and you are not doing anything wrong, what is the harm?

If you use a VPN or Tor, it exists. Otherwise no. Even then, only to the extent the user of Tor or VPN MAKES it exist. You get the privacy you make for yourself. You DON'T HAVE TO post shit online that you don't want others to see. You just have to think before you post.

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I guess it doesn't exist... barely exist... you don't have to agree to the cookies, you don't have to have a Facebook account, etc. I think if you're really good with computers, you can also hide your online footsteps well. But for the common, there is no internet privacy.

I'm just going to say this, I can't even Jack off online without being watched. Due to the NSA no.

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I don't know about the technicalities of online privacy (what is possible, what is not), but I do think that complete privacy is impossible and will always be impossible.

I always thought: why do people bother so much about their privacy and about Facebook having their number and everything? What value could the phone number of an average Dutch citizen possibly have to Facebook? However, when I think about it now, I must admit that if other information, like online purchases or social media uploads would be openly accessible, this might get you in serious trouble later in life when applying for a job or life insurance.

In short, I know how I feel about it, but have absolutely no idea what to do about it or what the future might bring!

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Indeed RoosHU. Many people do not know about the technicalities and privacy settings on social media and internet usage, not to mention what to do to with it. Do you think anything can be done at a global or governmental level to increase privacy?

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Yes there is, you just need to know what to do .

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For me, a very good VPN service turned out to be VeePN, which I downloaded from this site https://veepn.com/vpn-apps/vpn-for-android/ . All servers of this company run on RAM, which means that they do not store or collect your data. For users of the paid version, there is a network of a large number of servers around the world, including South America and Africa - two continents that are often neglected by providers.

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In my opinion online privacy can be made possible by not making any type of online account at all. But even so, a lot of organisations have access to your data because of the different governmental procedures that require your personal information. I tend to believe there is a huge 'bank' where all our info goes that can be accessed (only by certified officials) when some information is needed. It is useless even to delete information you posted in the past, because apparently it is still on the record.

This information however is not as public as it looks, yet it is there, recorded somewhere. So the privacy exists, because it is not made public to your friends for example (unless YOU choose to make it public yourself), but it is still stored and kept for further reference (if ever needed).