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Debate Score:38
Arguments:35
Total Votes:39
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Does the Bible condone slavery?

Yes.

Side Score: 18
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No.

Side Score: 20
2 points

The bible totally supports slavery as did Jesus , in actual fact your ancestors no doubt used the bible to justify slavery and keep your plantations well supplied with able bodied slaves

Side: Yes.
FungusOfHam(3) Disputed
2 points

Dermot promotes slavery through Social Darwinism. Very very interesting.

Side: No.
Dermot(5453) Disputed
1 point

Do I really ? That’s a pretty lame way for you avoid what the question actually asked

Side: Yes.
Mingodalia(226) Disputed
1 point

Looks like the Asians, amongst others, used Darwinism to enslave their people.

Supporting Evidence: Social Darwinism (en.m.wikipedia.org)
Side: No.
Polaris95(247) Clarified
2 points

There's a difference between Darwinism and Social Darwinism. The former is the theory of evolution through natural selection. The latter was a scientific excuse for slavery and genocide.

Side: Yes.
1 point

Show me scripture, and did you review m,y evidence?....................................................

Supporting Evidence: Show me scripture. (www.blueletterbible.org)
Side: No.
Dermot(5453) Disputed
1 point

Yes I know your ignorance of the Bible leads to your continued confusion on such matters and now you desire that I educate you on the book you’ve never read ?

I don’t watch bullshit you tube videos that attempt to defend the indefensible

Side: Yes.
KD208043(3) Disputed
1 point

Jesus did not necessarily support slavery, nor does the Bible in general. In the Bible, there were servants who did work, and there was a large distinction between servants and slaves. During Jesus' time, servants were treated as members of the family, but were paid for it. Slaves were treated much differently. Therefore, the Bible clearly does not condone slavery, merely servitude.

Side: No.
Dermot(5453) Disputed
1 point

Jesus did not necessarily support slavery,

He did , he even mentioned how one should treat his slaves

nor does the Bible in general.

You’ve obviously never read the Bible

In the Bible, there were servants who did work, and there was a large distinction between servants and slaves.

Bullshit , have you Christians no defence other than this tired old chestnut ?

During Jesus' time, servants were treated as members of the family, but were paid for it.

Bullshit , do a bit of research or do you want me an atheist to educate you on the book you’ve never read ?

Slaves were treated much differently.

No they weren’t , did you never learn this in History class ?

Therefore, the Bible clearly does not condone slavery, merely servitude.

Bullshit , read your Bible or if you ask nicely I will educate on that you do not know

Side: Yes.

No, Manifest destiny does. Funny, we are learning about Manifest destiny in American Studies right now.

Side: Yes.
1 point

Yes the Bible condones slavery. There are verses in the Bible that are encouraging Jews to take their captured enemies as slaves and to treat them mercilessly.

Side: Yes.
1 point

1Peter 2:16

Live as free people, but do not use your freedom as a cover-up for evil; live as God's slaves.

1Peter 2:18

Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh.

1 Timothy 6:1

All who are under the yoke of slavery should consider their masters worthy of full respect, so that God's name and our teaching may not be slandered.

Colossians 3:22

Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to curry their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence to the Lord

Ephesians 6:5

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with fear and respect, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ

Exodus 2:16

If a man sells his daughter as a servant, she shall not go free as male servants do.

There's more, but need I go on.

https://www.biblestudytools.com/topical-verses/bible-verses-about-slavery/

Side: Yes.
1 point

Slavery between the Hebrews was voluntary in order to pay off debts.

Side: No.
DevilApostle(2) Disputed
1 point

There is a separate set of laws written for Hebrews for "indentured servitude", however this set up does not account for all the laws concerning slavery. Besides, even if you cannot compare Old Testament slavery with the horrors of "The Slave Trade" we all know about, you still have a supposedly divinely inspired book condoning the ownership of another human being as property, and treated as such. That alone should be a turn off to the modern individual, and that's without going into the specifics.

Side: Yes.

Slaves for Christ has nothing to do with labor but commitment to Christ.

The Hebrews did take some captives from battle for servants from groups trying to destroy the Hebrews. Moses then gave them rules for how to treat those servants. In most cases the servants were treated so well that they never left and chose to stay because it was a good life.

Side: No.
Polaris95(247) Disputed
1 point

So, you support slavery if it's in the name of God or Jesus? Slavery is bad no matter who you're serving.

Side: Yes.
CucumberHole(66) Disputed
1 point

Hebrew slaves were usually other Hebrews paying off debts, who could leave at any time.

And your use of presentism as an argument is a logical fallacy.

Side: No.

If a fellow Hebrew, man or woman, is sold to you, he shall serve you six years, and in the seventh year you shall set him free. When you set him free, do not let him go empty-handed: Furnish him out of the flock, threshing floor, and vat, with which the Lord your God has blessed you. Bear in mind that you were slaves in the land of Egypt and the Lord your God redeemed you; therefore I enjoin this commandment upon you today.

“But should he say to you, ‘I do not want to leave you’ for he loves you and your household and is happy with you–you shall take an awl and put it through his ear into the door, and he shall become your slave in perpetuity. When you do set him free, do not feel aggrieved; for in the six years he has given you double the service of a hired man. Moreover, the LORD and your God will bless you in all you do.” (Deuteronomy 15:12-18)

Side: No.

During the times of the old testament, there were constant wars among many nations wanting to expand their kingdoms. You always had to have your army ready for war at anytime. Every nation believed in some supernatural being to guide them to victory in war just as Israel had God of Abraham. It was either you conquer and enslave or you get conquered and become slaves. There was not much choice left for any nation and they all loved the system because they were power greedy. Humans run the earth and God supports those who serve Him. He is Holy just because he is not bound by the human laws of morality because He made them (they are beneath Him) for his creations. He supported Israel when they were obedient to win wars and take slaves and when they were disobedient He gave them to their enemies as slaves....Sounds fair enough. That was the system of that era. Earth was made for men to run.

Side: No.

THE FACT IS. That Never, NEVER - in the Bible - were Hebrew Children Made into Slaves by their parents.

Please Take, for eXample, Numbers 36:8 Every daughter, that possesseth an - INHERITANCE - in any tribe, shall be wife unto one of the families of the same tribe of her father, that the children of Israel may enjoy the inheritance of their fathers.

Verse: 9 Neither shall the inheritance remove from one tribe to another tribe, but every one of the tribes of the children of Israel shall keep their own inheritance.

Let's ADD more of the Bible, instead of JUST Quoting one single verse.

AGAIN. Let's look at - Num 27:8 And If a man dies, and have no son, then ye shall cause his inheritance to pass unto his daughter.

9 And if he has no daughter, then ye shall give his inheritance unto his brothers. The Sons and Daughters were freely Given the inheritance of their parents. The fact is, Children who were poor, whose parents did not have an inheritance or property, simply found JOBS and DUTIES for their children. They MARKETED the WORK and SKILL and Labors - of their Children, to people who needed the work performed.

Then the money went towards the property, inheritance, and future of the parents and the Children who performed the work. They did not just give money to these children, to waste and throw away on games, toys, garbage, and foolishness.

the money was spent wisely. The Children were NEVER sold as property. Their Work and performance were all WELL paid for, they were well fed, clothed and taken care of, RESPECTED. Free to Come and Go as they wished. Free to move about in Complete FREEDOM AS LONG AS THEIR conracted obligations were met.

They were not LOCKED up and Caged and tied up, beaten, Sold from Master to Master in Contempt and forced labor. If they were injured, or hurt on the job. They were Compensated, paid in full and released from all duties with full compensation PAID IN FULL.

You see here, an example of Daughters, women FEMALES who have Ownership, possessing property. They were put to work, at a reasonable, BUT Early ( Mature Age. ) instead of sitting around waiting for the Welfare check and the frozen TV Dinners and Canned Beef and Food Stamps and HANDOUTS - from the TAXES of other.

it was all about RESPONSIBILITY. The Children were Hired on to work in the Fields, Farms, Irrigation The Military, and other Jobs. Sewing, Producing, building and Manufacturing for the Community. And they were PAID Well. REMEMBER... Num 36:8 The daughters, possesseth an inheritance. They Keep the inheritance that they work for... They Eventually are given the Inheritance, that they Worked for.

Israel does the same exact same thing today. Young Jewish Men and women are Mandated to join the military. they are ( BY YOUR THINKING. - MAYBE they are Enslaved at an early AGE. ?

Young adults are expected to work for the inheritance of the Nation. For their Mothers and Fathers. For their own Future, property and homes and goods. They serve in the Military.

RESPONSIBILITY. Working for A LIVING. Not Throwing the RESPONSIBILITY of Your Children on others By FORCING Taxes for welfare and Food Stamps and Government handouts.

This is basically what the Jews did in biblical times, the Youth to WORKED and was productive that was a must for the survival of the Jewish Nation. and the Parents in Biblical times were given money and taken care of, by receiving the wages and benefit of having their young adult children put directly to the tasks at hand ldren orkiand produciean income to secure the future of the Child. The parents did not Throw the RESPONSIBILITY of their Children on others. It was not a Welfare State.

They took care of their family, their Parents and maintained and secured - the property and Land and INHERITANCE - at an early AGE. They were not Slaves, who were mistreated, spat upon, beat and sold from master to master. They simply worked hard, served a Purpose for their own benefit. Securing their future

Again let's Look at Another Verse about REAL Slavery. You have not seen slavery in the bible. UNTIL NOW. Let us LOOK at real Slavery.

Notice Deu 23:15 Thou shalt not deliver unto his master the servant which is escaped from his master unto thee: 16 He shall dwell with thee, even among you, in that place which he shall choose in one of thy gates, where it liketh him best: thou shalt not oppress him.

Here, the Israelites, ( WHO did not OWN innocent, Regular people as slaves ) were not to take part in rounding up and RETURNING or SELLING the escaped slaves of neighboring nations.

They were to take care of these escaped slaves, KEEP, Care for and Feed them and respect them and give them a place and a chance of freedom. To work and be a Hired SERVANT / WORKER in Israel, free to go as they pleased.

This is the FACT. It is true. That the PUNISHMENT for Adultery was the DEATH Penalty. But Lets Look at The Whole picture, and not just Focus on one Single Verse. But Here is Another verse, that You Left out.

Exo 22:16 And if a man seduces a maid that is not betrothed, and lie with her, he shall surely endow her to be his wife. 17 BUT If her father utterly refuses to give her unto him, he shall pay money according to the dowry of virgins. +++ You see. The Decision to Keep a woman in marriage, was NEVER, NEVER up to the RAPIST. By Blood tradition, the RAPIST was supposed to remain married to any Virgin or Widow that he exchanged bodily fluids with. But the Decision was not His.

If the Daughter completely refused to mary the RAPIST, The Father, who Loved his daughter, would see this - and the AUTHORITY and decision would not be decided by the RAPIST. The RAPIST would be STILL be Forced to pay a Large sum of Money to the Father. The Daughter and Her Brothers - would receive the Inheritance and her future was secured, Without being forced to Mary the RAPIST.

But in reality - the Brothers and Fathers would Probably - KILL - the RAPIST as soon as they found out their sister was raped.

NEVER were innocent people made into SLAVES in Israel.

And there was no slave trade whatsoever.

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Side: No.

This is a wonderful video. I watched it and it is very good as it explains that The those in Yahoshua in the New Testament were anti-slavery.

Also in the Old Testament Isralies participating in the slave trade by the enslaving of other Israeli citizens was punished able by the death penalty.

Also, the Hebrews were commanded to not be involved in rounding up escaped foreign slaves who had run away and were hiding in Isreal.

The Law Of God - was to protect, care for, feed and support runaway slaves and to give them a life of freedom with rights and respect.

However, The Kings of Israel did enslave their prisoners of war that were attacking them and forced their conquered enemies them to pay restitution and reimbursement for the war that they carried out against Israel.

Side: No.
1 point

The NT certainly does not, the OT maybe. However for those that dispute the NT you are welcome to present how one can love their neighbor and keep them as a slave... :3

Side: No.