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Doesn't Lucifer seem more justified in his anger than God?
So from what I hear, God asked Lucifer to serve humanity and he said no. The same God that created the flood to wipe out most of humanity initially ... the same god that said at one point, "an eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth". The same God that put a baby in 12 year old Mary's body, rather than making the baby appear out of thin air. The same God that kicked Adam and Eve out of Eden for eating the forbidden fruit .... The same God that let his son, Jesus, die on the cross ...
So apparently, Lucifer was the favorite, and then God liked humans better. So God said, humans are better than you, serve them ...
I don't know, it doesn't seem right to me ... Imagine the same situation with your father and brother, and your dad tells you to serve your brother and bow down to him, because he likes him better after you've done so much for your father out of love ... I don't know, it just doesn't make sense to me.
Lucifer would be more justified to be angry but from all appearances, as well as the biblical tales, Yahweh has murdered millions more than Lucifer ever did.
In the Torah we can find stories of God......committing ethnic cleansing; killing children (the Passover)...as well as the story about those kids calling Elijah "baldy."
We see Yahweh murdering all those innocent animals during the Flood, just cuz he was pissed at humans.
We see Yahweh telling Moses to kill those restless thousands of Hebrews who grew bored of waiting for him to come down from Sinai with the 10 Commandments and began making a golden calf.
We see Yahweh having Lot offer up his two daughters to gang rape, just so two of his freaking angels wouldn't be buggered.
We see Yahweh today allowing the daily murdering and killing from disease of thousands of people who believe in him and pray to him.
Yahweh. What a douche.
Lucifer on the other hand has NEVER DONE ANY OF THESE THINGS!!!
It could be offered that HE is our true ally, and is down in the trenches with us. "A Fan of Man!" as Pacino said in that great movie.
Yahweh disgusted me even as a child. I thought him to be a petty and malevolent murderous psychopath. He is by far the most loathsome god I ever read about in all my readings of various religions.
12 “Therefore their way will be like slippery paths to them,
They will be driven away into the gloom and fall down in it;
For I will bring calamity upon them,
The year of their punishment,” declares the Lord.
13 “Moreover, among the prophets of Samaria I saw an offensive thing: They prophesied by Baal and led My people Israel astray.
14 “Also among the prophets of Jerusalem I have seen a horrible thing: The committing of adultery and walking in falsehood; And they strengthen the hands of evildoers,
So that no one has turned back from his wickedness.
All of them have become to Me like Sodom,
And her inhabitants like Gomorrah.
15 “Therefore thus says the Lord of hosts concerning the prophets, ‘Behold, I am going to feed them wormwood
And make them drink poisonous water,
For from the prophets of Jerusalem
Pollution has gone forth into all the land.’”
16 Thus says the Lord of hosts,
“Do not listen to the words of the prophets who are prophesying to you. They are leading you into futility;
They speak a vision of their own imagination,
Not from the mouth of the Lord.
17 “They keep saying to those who despise Me,
‘The Lord has said, “You will have peace”’;
And as for everyone who walks in the stubbornness of his own heart, They say, ‘Calamity will not come upon you.’
18 “But who has stood in the council of the Lord,
That he should see and hear His word?
Who has given heed to His word and listened?
19 “Behold, the storm of the Lord has gone forth in wrath,
Even a whirling tempest;
It will swirl down on the head of the wicked.
20 “The anger of the Lord will not turn back
Until He has performed and carried out the purposes of His heart;
82 scientist got together with mathmatical equations and developed a list of minimal required expectations, and scientific properties that would have to exist or have occurred in order to have any reasonable expectations of the existence of alien life.
82 scientist got together with mathmatical equations and developed a list of minimal required expectations, and scientific properties that would have to exist or have occurred in order to have any reasonable expectations of the existence of alien life.
God does say He will laugh at people who go against Him, and He will mock them when horrible things befall them after they rejected His counsel and would not take correction from Him.
You won't feel that way if you end up in Hell, and it looks to me that you will be there soon. I could be wrong, you could repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and be saved from Hell, but I think you enjoy yourself too much.
I seriously doubt that I will be punished for eternity for enjoying myself. Especially when I don't go around telling people what to do, when to do it and how to do it. Nor do I go around killing people or calling them names or putting them down or disputing them. Hell, I rarely even ban people and my debates and arguments are usually geared towards getting people to smile and not take themselves so seriously ;)
the sins you have committed are done forever, they are attached to you, you can't get out of your record. Punishment for sin is forever, unworthy of being in God's presence and nothing you can do can change the fact that you are eternally disqualified from heaven and there is no place for you but Hell if you want to enjoy your sin more than life which is what you are doing and you seem to think you are so stinking cute in it...so live it up all you can.
You don't have to tell me you will do all you can to live it up as long as you can. I figured that out a long time ago. You think you are all that and better than or as good as God, you think you are strong and smart and you are just a punky fool. If you insist on going your own way, while you are frying like an eternal sausage in Hell you will be from time to time haunted by the memories of people like me trying to tell you that you could have been saved. Go see for yourself if you want to. Why should I feel sorry for you? You want what you are getting, an eternity void of God's goodness, you think it's going to be fun? idiot.
Here's the part I don't understand. Why can't God go His own way and I go my own way if I promise not to fuck with Him and Plan. I mean, why do I have to worship Him? Is he that vain? As long as I don't interfere with His shit, what does He care? If I'm not hurting anything, why can't He just let me be? The universe is a pretty big place.
Has God ever prevented you from anything since childhood? No! His deal is after you die . You should give accounts to the asset He gave you (life). So you are free
And how does this play out? Is there like a court case with a jury and God as the judge and prosecutor? How do you know this stuff? Because of the Christian bible? How do you know the Quran or the Jewish bible are not the correct texts? ;)
I never thought someone will ask me such a question. Damn!
You should know the Qur'an. came after the bible. And in all the Qur'an most are extracted from the bible word for word but some twisted to favour islam eg. is about ishmael and isaac.(i should not explain further.)
And that of the jew and the bible, both are relatively concerntrating on the old testament that is about a nation israel and so they are waiting for the second coming of moses not christ but the same God. i cannot argue any further. I know you are going to give me a headache of questions with obvious answers
"How do you know this stuff? Because of the Christian bible? How do you know the Quran or the Jewishbible are not the correct texts? ;)"
Before anything....i hope that your question up there was answered.
And cos i don't quote straight from the bible usually doesn't mean i don't have a source.
plus i combine experience with the bible and am straight forward. Thats how best i can express my knowledge.
Dont stay in your bedroom and say you want to prepare food. Get into the kitchen.
That is; don't stay in your comfort zone with your daily basic understanding of how things should go in life and be asking me questions about religion(kitchen).
Make your mind ready for it...@ Least read something on your own first for basics , you making it so hard cos how can you ask a question like:
"And how does this play out? Is there like acourt case with a jury and God as the judge and prosecutor?"
as much as God shares some things in common with us its not everything you relate to these earthly systems(your normal way of thinking).
Then why didnt you ask of the police who carry out the investigation to find you guilty of crimes....that is earthly....
God's records of you are intact as at now.
jeremiah 1:5r"I knew you before I formed you in your mother's womb.Before you wereborn I set you apart and appointed you as my prophet to the nations."
You do not know me. You do not know what I know. You make a lot of assumptions about me. You then act on those assumptions as if they were true. You do not bother to verify your assumptions to see if they are correct.
I am a 54 years old man. I have studied the bible. I have studied 3 religions. You "think" you God because of what you have read in the bible or because of what someone has told you. But you have not bothered to verify those things. You just accept them as fact. If all you have to do to know God is to make your mind ready, then explain to me how it is that many people have made their minds ready, then they have tried to know God, then they claim they have the answer but they all have a different answer. Are there many Gods? One for each person who makes his mind ready and searches for God?
I think the reason you are having problems understanding me is because you are a child. ;)
"You"think" you God because of what you have read in the bible or because of what someone has told you. But you have not bothered to verify those things. You just accept them as fact."
DAMN THATS SOME REALLY DISGUSTING ASSUMPTIONS RIGHT THERE.
when i already answered. source bible and 'experience'. Then you still say someone told me what?
I am not like most whitemen who depend on books(by mere mortal men)to give understanding or knowledge of God.
All my life i have been a witness of God's miracles such as healings and prophecies come true. So i dont really need any book to confirm God to me.
And you say you studied three religions. Just like a scientist would do, Place three fowls brown,black and white in boxes make observations and analysis, try out some formulaes with his normal daily 1+ 1=2 and if he does not get the expected answer then he calls it Fake.
Thats why i said do not remain in your comfort zone cos you can not understand God in your own regular understanding Cos God's ways are above logic, anything can be expected outta anywhere.
"But must first make your mind ready!"
Then you said people have and are getting different answers(from where).
All those who know God well are lead by the Holy spirit not their own minds or knowledge from books written by another confused mortal man.
Why don't we first find out about each other? We are both making assumptions. You don't know me and I don't know you.
I'll go first. I believe that there is life after death. That we are eternal beings. I do not believe in the God described in the bible. I do not believe in hell. If there is a God, I think of Him more like a president. I think that He would want us to follow His laws if we are to be with Him. But I don't think one of His laws is to worship Him.
Umm...i wouldn't call it believe on my side, i will call it understanding(cos its knowledge) so i can make provisions for corrections.
First i agree there is life after death too but the type of life will depend on your works here. so life in hell or heaven as a form of reward(reaping what you sowed here).
Yes i agree we are eternal beings.
And i believe in the God described the bible cos i have got proof.
The pastors who preach about this God prove with miracles.
My mom has the spirit of prophecy, though she is not functioning as a prophetess, when the spirit prophecy comes unto her, all that she says comes to pass at the appointed time stated in the prophecy.
While i was a toddler, i was sick. i couldn't sit up when i was supposed to and had some diseases on my head.
I never went to the Hospital, but i was taken care of by some prophets and prophetesses by the instruction of God.
And now there is no evidence that i once had that illness.
I have been around church most of my life and i keep seeing proof of God.(thats a page of my experience).
And about obedience to God, yes we should obey God. But we must also show appreciation through worship(like saying thank you to dad for buying you a new shoe)and that is something a father should train a child with~appreciation.
We worship God to exalt Him and He is pleased with that. Cos He says if we do not worship Him, He will make the stones worship Him. If Stones which have no life are willing to worship God and He says no He wants His children(Who have life) to worship Him, its privilege not a burden.
Young men like to manifest their wisdom in big volumes in order to gain some kind of superiority over their mates. (Brain battle to identify who the genius is)
But you on the low key. Thats y i was finding it hard to understand your questions. I was expecting questions to get me stuck in my ways so i break through.
But i see you not in for that.
The water was once cold, boild to become very hot and later cooled down again.(lifestyle childhood to old age)
God is letting you go your own way. That is away from Him, and since it is against Him He has no place but Hell for you. He's giving you your own way. He offers you forgiveness and full pardon by having paid for your sins with His own blood, so your account can be considered settled and you can be forgiven. But you are too stinking proud, you feel powerful defying God and you enjoy that feeling along with whatever momentary pleasures you can find in sin. You're fighting a losing battle and only fooling yourself. You're fighting against God to keep your own way, and your own way is nothing but dying and since you love it and want it, God is letting you have it because He is good and gives you the desire of your heart. In your heart you want God to be silent and uncaring about you, and reluctantly God is giving you what you want. God knows what you want is good only for your own destruction, so He is holding you back now from having what you want. God does not want you to burn in Hell forever, but you are asking for it and He will not withhold it from you forever. You don't want to hear God calling you to repent, you don't want to hear Him speak of His love for you, and in Hell it will not be possible for you to believe God loves you and it will not be possible for you to repent because your dying will be finalized by your own choice to die your own death rejecting God the Savior who died your death for you so you can be forgiven and saved from Hell.
Whatever you said, I stopped reading a few words back before you cussed like a devil monkey pervert. I glanced at your post after I began typing my reply and saw your repulsive foul mouth and knew I was right to answer you without reading.....you expressed yourself plenty enough with "Why can't God go His own way and I go my own way". That's stupid. You are going your own way, who is stopping you? Go your own way. Go man, go. And give everybody a smile and a wink to show how smart and cool you think you are.
So, I can go my own way and not go to Hell, right? I mean, the alternative would be like Communist China telling its citizens, you can go your own way, leave the country if you don't like it here, but if you try to exercise that option we'll put you in jail even if you haven't done anything wrong ;)
You are going your own way and you are going to find out where it takes you, aren't you? I can tell you where it's taking you, I told you, you won't hear it, you won't listen, so go on and find out by experience. And again, give us all a smile and a wink to show how cool and smart you think you are as you parade yourself along on death row.
If God truly wanted to give humans a bible, His word, don't you think He would make sure that it is written in some indestructible book so that we will never lose it AND we would have evidence that it was from Him and not from some dude with an agenda?
Think about it for a minute. Some scientist guy would be all like, "There's no God!" and you would be like, "Yes, there is. He gave us His bible." And the scientist would look skeptical. And you would be like, "If you don't believe me, destroy His work." And then he couldn't destroy it. And you would be like, "Well, Mr. scientist, if you're so smart, why can't you figure out how to make something that is indestructible like this bible? Why can't you figure out how to destroy it? Could it be because it is from God?" And then you would smile at him and wink ;)
You are judged by God according to His Word. You say that as a sinner, you have the right to exist outside of Hell. God says you do not. I believe God. I do not believe you. Your word is not good. God is good, He keeps His Word, His Word is good, His Word will stand. You with your words against God will fall, and nothing of them will be known except that the smoke of the torments of sinners in Hell will testify to your words' stupidity.
I don't think the word "hell" means what you think it means. Maybe you should first find out how many times the word "hell" shows up in the bible and then check the context in which it is used. Otherwise, I don't see how this conversation can be fruitful if we have a different understanding of the word "hell."
Yes, the only solution since you can't stop being a pervert and you think you have the right to exist outside of Hell. Being a pervert won't bring you any fun or pleasure in Hell if you won't repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.
How moronic can you get? People tried to destroy the Bible for thousands of years. There are two things hated in this world....well, three. The Bible, The Jews, Christians. These three are hated because they represent the promises of God in the Earth, that He will subdue the world and Heaven and Earth will be united and sinners like you will lose all of their power.
The Bible is indestructible. The Church which is the body of Christ in the world, real Christians unlike the Pope's pagan fake Christianity, is indestructible. The Jews are indestructible. God said it and He will keep His Word. People who try to trash the Bible, trash the Jews, trash God's children who are saved by God the Son, Jesus....those people will end up like trash in the burning rubbish heap of Hell if before their dying is finalized they will not repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. My guess, and I really hope I'm wrong though by your own words I assume I'm right, is that you will enter eternity thinking you cannot be confined as a sinner in Hell and you will find out you were mistaken.
Again, we need to agree on the definition of the word "hell." For me, hell is not a place where you burn in eternal fire. Find out how many times the word "hell" shows up in the bible and double check the context in which it is used. Otherwise, I don't see the point in having this conversation.
No, we do not need to agree on what Hell is. It confines sinners, contains their sin, consumes them in fire which justifies their existence as sinners. Your life is unjustifiable as a sinner except by the fire of Hell. Your existence as a sinner is unjustifiable except by the fire of Hell. God created you forever, you will be you forever, your sins have you separated from God, and you will end up frying like an eternal sausage if you will not repent of your sin and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.
You do not have to agree on the definition of the word "Hell". It's where you are going, no matter how you define it, and if you have to find out the hard way you will find out the hard way that it is a place of fire burning with smoke and brimstone where the worm never dies and the fire is never quenched. Wink away, be dirty if you think the fire is not for consuming garbage. Go on thinking you get out easy in death. Last wink is not yours, but if God gives you time you can wink again now.
Hell was the fire out of which God took brimestones to create angels .
Its the source and real home of angels
Hell is actually dirty like junk yard.
God never planned to make it a place of punishment.
God brought all angels to Heaven(nice environment) to serve him
So when Lucifer rebelled and failed, he was no longer accepted in heaven.
The Choice two as it is was left with one for lucifer and his gang angels.
They do not really mind the fire but the dirt and disgust cos they feel they deserve better.
Neither can they force God to create for them a different place cos God is not willing neither are they in the position to ask for that.
So satan has accepted it.He doesn't know how to create anything。Anything he has was created for him and God can also Take away(eg. He took away his ability to do good, being the morning star)
Isaiah 14:12: “How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations"
And now before satan's time is up to be chained and placed into the endless pit
He wants to take as much people as he can with him. Through distracting us with pleasures of the flesh, flesh suffering, false religions and etc.
"Woe to the Inhabitants of the Earth and of the Sea For the Devil is ComeDown Unto You, Having Great Wrath Because He Knoweth that he Hath But a Short Time!" -Revelations 12:12
Revelation 12:9►Parallel VersesNew International VersionThe great dragon was hurled down--that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. Hewas hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.
BUT THEN THEY STILL HAVE ACCESS TO HEAVEN
Read job1:6.......where satan joined the angels who were going to present themselves God. But God identified him in his disguise.....and they had a cool conversation. They even had a bet and you already know who won God.
How do you know you haven't been deceived and are currently in the wrong religion? I mean, I know you're an expert on Satan and all and you said that Satan can't do shit but he is described as the world's greatest deceiver. Maybe you are being deceived and you don't even know it. Just saying ;)
It is written in an indestructible book. He starts and ends His Word discussing how important it is. John 1 Says - and the Word was God, and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us.
So the Word is God in our hands, it's alive when we have the interpreter in us. And both bear witness with each other.
God was so serious about writing and speaking His Word He showed us by example at the expense of others failures, and His harsh sentencing of them. These stories aren't cruel, these are people who were judged, and God used them as written Word to guide us in keeping His written Word.
God doesn't just say the Word is a good idea, or a manual. He says the Word was God, and is among us. It says we are to study like it were a field we sell everything to buy a field for a pearl. Also His Word bears witness to Himself. God is incredibly ordered and methodical, and judicial.
He confirms everything with the witness of at minimum 2, or 3. But we find its way more than that in most facts confirmed. Without you taking the time to investigate yourself, I don't know that we can drop on you a smoking gun. They all are smoking guns, but it's because we have a pile to heaven of smoking guns.
You are looking at a piece of the elephant like a blind man, describing only the part of the elephant touched by your hand, we see the bigger part of the elephant. And since we see more of the pieces we can identify it. Whereas you don't know what your defining.
You ask for proof beyond reason, but your not open or interested in its pursuit. So if God made it so plain, which He did, who's fault would it be that you didn't find what He left clearly to show you? His or yours?
There are more opportunities in this day and age to cross reference with a click, to see what was written in the Hebrew and Greek manuscripts.
Of which are all found within a shorter time than other ancient texts. And historians agree on documents. Especially helpful is some digital processes that can computer read some of the more fragile without even unrolling them.
Also Isaiah was found among the scrolls and reads exactly like modern day.
When God made the Jews custodians of His Word, He lead them with precision in its handling. Every stroke and dot.
They had a unique way of diligence, from oracle to written.
Each page had to go through scribe review. Not just checking words, but checking each letter, and where it was found in the text for authentication of a copy. So over 1000s of years there is very little inaccuracy.
If you just took Isaiah alone, you could find and follow Jesus. Jesus is in every book, consistently saying His Way and Purpose and Plan. Now, get this, it was foretold the original would reject, for purpose of pushing out the gospel to the world. Through adversity He pushed it out. Like a "woman in labor" birthing a new life. The message is consistent from Genesis and the scripture of birth pangs.
Methodical, when you see the precision,.and continuity, the math of it all. We live in a digital hologram. Created by God, even His Word is structured like a pattern within our DNA. It's mind blowing! But how would you know?
When you investigate the Word, you find not only a signature of one authorship, you also find confirmation, authentifications, and solid witness of testimony. God never abandoned His people, even Israel will be brought back in in the end. God is dealing with them, making everything ready for the last harvest.
Honestly, if you actually looked at all the evidence objectively there isn't a reasonable question of its consistency and authenticity.
The point is, no matter how many enemies took their crooked fingers against His Word and His church and His people Israel, God still prevailed. His Word still prevailed. And in these end times after this flood of deceptions has swept everyone away, truth is being uncovered proving and proving and proving.
Calling to all those willing to know, who don't love lies so much that they can't hear truth.
It's the children's bread. If you want it you have to be willing to respond to Him. Or the only time you'll see it is when truth mocks the lies. And then it will be as clear as you say it should be. And you will wish you had sought Him while He was hidden, like treasure.
Because when you find Him in a windfall of information it will be a whirlwind, not the wind of His Spirit filling you, but His Spirit blowing you away.
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Isaiah 55:
1“Ho! Every one who thirsts, come to the waters;
And you who have no money come, buy and eat.
Come, buy wine and milk
Without money and without cost.
2“Why do you spend money for what is not bread,
And your wages for what does not satisfy?
Listen carefully to Me, and eat what is good,
And delight yourself in abundance.
3“Incline your ear and come to Me.
Listen, that you may live;
And I will make an everlasting covenant with you,
According to the faithful mercies shown to David.
4“Behold, I have made him a witness to the peoples,
A leader and commander for the peoples.
5“Behold, you will call a nation you do not know,
And a nation which knows you not will run to you,
Because of the LORD your God, even the Holy One of Israel;
For He has glorified you.”
6Seek the LORD while He may be found;
Call upon Him while He is near.
7Let the wicked forsake his way
And the unrighteous man his thoughts;
And let him return to the LORD,
And He will have compassion on him,
And to our God,
For He will abundantly pardon.
8“For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways My ways,” declares the LORD.
9“For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are My ways higher than your ways
And My thoughts than your thoughts.
10“For as the rain and the snow come down from heaven,
And do not return there without watering the earth
And making it bear and sprout,
And furnishing seed to the sower and bread to the eater;
11So will My word be which goes forth from My mouth;
It will not return to Me empty,
Without accomplishing what I desire,
And without succeeding in the matter for which I sent it.
12“For you will go out with joy
And be led forth with peace;
The mountains and the hills will break forth into shouts of joy before you, And all the trees of the field will clap their hands.
13“Instead of the thorn bush the cypress will come up,
And instead of the nettle the myrtle will come up,
And it will be a memorial to the LORD,
For an everlasting sign which will not be cut off.”
You have decided that I need to be saved and you have taken it upon yourself to do it. I'm not sure I want to be saved.
The leson seems to be that you are the one who knows what's going down and how to deal with it. Out of all the people on a mision, out of all the religions, you and yours are the right one.
Apparently God wants to communicate but He has chosen to do that through obscured methods. Specifically through vague prophecies that individuals have been able to convince people that their interpretation is correct and that the end is near. Every generation thinks that they are living in the last days. Then, when it doesn't happen, a new generation picks up the banner. "No, this is the last days!"
Why didn't God decide to spread His message with pictures? Instead of describing a plane in prophecies, why not draw a plane?
And there are only 2 choices, heaven and hell. Why can't God and His minions go one way and Satan and his minions go another way and they both leave me alone?
And Jesus paid for my sins. So now I'm His indentured servant?
Apparently God has a monopoly on light so I either indenture myself to Him orr suffer the consequences. Does that sound like a loving God to you?
The question, if there are only two choices, then which would you choose?
And if your choice is God or not, then you should investigate it. Because you should be sure of your choices. Your going to be wherever your going for a long long time. It's not reasonable to leave that to blind chance. Would you get on a plane going anywhere, with no idea where you are going, and without a penny in your pocket or even ID or passport?
Well if your crazy you would, same with faith. You can't change your mind after the choice no longer is available. So I'd think for someone who has conversed the subject as you, who is aware of facts to consider would actually measure them in a reasonable way.
If you never talked about God, and you were out living a fast life without awareness of God, I guess I'd expect a disconnect to His value. But our are faced with this invitation by God all day, I would think maybe there is a reason you have an interest, and maybe you are more worth God's persistence because deep down you may find you are His. IDK, but maybe?
You are flying kites and don't believe really anything but luck of the draw. Aliens, or maybe some version of God, a pretty rose bush ... lol. And I have investigated so I'm sure of the one thing I know.
If you where building a house, would you talk to a builder that understands building materials, or would you wing it in some progressive way?
If you don't want to know if there is a good reason for my assurity then don't bother. But I don't think I come across like I have fluffy information. I try to offer more than your going to Hell because I said so. I try to present reasonable considerations, showing why not investigating more is foolish. I have offered more reasons to investigate, than to just brush off.
The question is would you be on a side that eventually be at war with Jesus in His glorified presence? Or would that be unacceptable to you. Because if I'm right, that is the end. And likely in our lifetime, earlier than later.
YHWY in the middle of the five books. And TORH going both ways of writing, at 49 letter Intervals uniformly in each book, with YHWY happens to be at intervals of 7, which is the square root of 49.
And then Jesus just so happens to define time and dating among the Gentiles, isn't that at all an indication that is solid enough to warrant investigation. How about if you consider where writing is obviously determined by Him, how about spoken language. Because in those books the tower of Babel is there.
That's not enough to say I'll at least give it a fair open minded investigation?
And then add prophesies that are fulfilled throughout history?
Being lost is a special kind of special these days. It's like expecting people with eyes to see and you realize spiral wheels are spinning in their eyes and they can't see anything!
Good point! So now it makes sense how they had to reject first and push the Gospel out to the Gentiles. They never gave their faith away. They had to reject inorder to fulfill. And its visible even to you.
Again what does that have to do with anything. Is all of time names after Pharoah or Cesar or Mohammad?
No! Jesus divides time just like in the Bible YHWH divides in the middle writing in both directions. With Jerusalem as a mid point! Do you think they made a deal with Assyria and other countries well West nations weren't even there, yet we have this in the TORH. And the curious shocking and equal in grandness is not only is language divided, in the same book that babel is told, coincidence?
Then to have Jesus divide time for our time, dating our generations,. He who appoints our days our times our years, is sitting on the timeline, Jesus. Ironically, with skeptics screaming at it, and trying rename it. God mocks them!! Right under their nose on a timeline He mocks them!
And these three crazy coincident seem to confirm God!
The world and languages go from reading left to right or right to left. Most written languages were in process of developing. Like time, written language is directed like a directors chair perched in Jerusalem.
The world and languages go from reading left to right or right to left. Most written languages were in process of developing. Like time, written language is directed like a directors chair perched in Jerusalem.
All languages EAST of Jerusalem write Right to Left.
All languages WEST of Jerusalem write Left to Right.
We have this also - torh spelled reading in two directions in Hebrew. Backward and forward with YHWY in the middle.
Are There Hidden Codes
in the Biblical Text?
The secrets of the Torah are revealed... in the
skipping of the letters.
49 (72) letter sequences:
• Genesis TORH - in Hebrew at a 49 letter interval pattern
• Exodus TORH - in Hebrew at a 49 letter interval pattern
• Leviticus ? YHWH in a 7 pattern, square root of 49
• Numbers HROT - in Hebrew at a 49 letter interval pattern
• Deuteronomy HROT - in Hebrew at a 49 letter interval pattern
If you read the bible well, you realise after rapture and gr. tri. and many other happenings, satan will be tied for about 1000yrs and freed to rule for a 1000yrs. and afterwards , all the souls in hell with seize to exist. God is going to clean history of hell and content souls from the minds of people who will remain, forever and ever and not even friends or family will have a memory of you , hell or the devil. If you want to see some features of hell you can google "23 minutes in hell".
By the way how long can you survive burning in hell before you are erased?Hmm unless you twist God's hand for that eraser.
God was at the beginning of your journey when you were born and till its end when you die. Then he will show you your certificate if You had F9 in chains or A's.
F9 for heaven is A's for hell.(and the opposite applies)
CRAP IS YOUR MIND when i say if you read the Bible well and you say "how do you know all this is true".......... .........unless you dont believe in the bible then i cannot help you. You ask questions about religion but have no clue on even basics. Am not even sure you read what i type.....you just take a glance and ask me another ridiculous question
When Adidas makes a shoe, there are going to be a lot of fakez which will come up.
Qur'an is a fake. It extracts about 70% of its word from the bible.
The bible was, long before the Qur'an came into existence.
And it talks about jesus while mohammed never met jesus and even twist some of the things about jesus in the bible to favour islam.
Mohammed says it was revealed to him by angel(demon in disguise) jibril(gabriel) in the mountain of hira.
Some history about mohammed ....
He didn't have a shadow, he was endorsed by a monk(most demonic religion) that he will be a great prophet .That was when was a kid following his uncle on one of his journeys.
Lastly he died from food poisoning(so powerful huh)
Even the disciple of jesus John was poisoned in prison died and vomited the poison out again. They couldn't kill him so they placed him on exile.
And about the greek history of gods, we also (my country) have such stories with proof. Eg. is a sword buried in the ground with no one being able to uproot it till now, an enchanted golden stool, and a tree which ressurects after you cut it down. all those who tried cutting it down have died mysteriously.
The old testament writings were in existence long before the new testament writings - is that evidence that the new testament is fake?
Mohammed says it was revealed to him by angel(demon in disguise) jibril(gabriel)
Why is Gabriel believed to be the messenger of God in the old and new testament, but suddenly a demon in disguise in the Qur'an?
endorsed by a monk(most demonic religion)
Monk is not a religion. There are monks of several different religions.
died from food poisoning(so powerful huh)
Poisoned food is quite different than food poisoning.
John was poisoned in prison died and vomited the poison out again.
A) John didn't die from the poison
B) He didn't vomit the poison - he made a blessing which transformed the poison into a serpent (see also)
C) This story is not in the bible - it was written more than a thousand years later
D) Similar fables describe the deaths of other followers as being beaten, crucified, flayed, etc. - the bible says the apostle James was put to death with the sword (likely meaning beheaded).
i don't know if the greeks can back theirs up
Can't they back theirs up to the same degree as Christians - namely they believed things and wrote them down.
And it doesn't matter what happened to the poison....the point is he wasn't poisoned dead.
Poisoned food is quite different than food poisoning.
Whether he was allergic to the food, or the food had soap particles in it or had rat poison and DDT is still poisoned. Couldn't have Allah blessed the food?, warned him if he couldn't? He couldn't even ressurect....he just died like any ordinary will die from poisoning.
The old testament writings werein existence long before the new testament writings - is that evidence that the new testament is fake?
COMMUNICATION BARRIER....VERY UNFORTUNATE THERE IS NOISE IN YOUR HEAD.
And you are absolutely not making sense. Is the new testament a book on its own and the bible too different ?
Infact are the stories of the old testament the same as that of the new testament?
The old is about a nation and the new about a man and all together makes the bible.
Jesus is right to talk about the old testament...he is an israelite, they are his traditions, his nation's history, he was brought up that way and was taught and he even taught his elders in the temples(imagine that). He did not even bring his own story through any ridiculous revelation...he taught with the old books in the temple.
Mohammed an ishmaelite......tryna explain the history of israelites through some revelation when the ishmaelites and israelites have always been fighting. If the angel was really gabriel meaning God sent him....then i would ask is God alright?
To send his son and then send someone(mohammed) later to say His son wasn't His but a mere prophet?
If mohammed wanted to be the saviour of his ishmaelites, couldn't he have just used the laws and old traditions of his ishmaelites like jesus did or they didn't have it?
HE IS JUST CORRUPTION....
EVERY GOOD THING GOD BRINGS, SATAN BRINGS HIS OWN VERSION.
Monk is not a religion. There aremonks of several different religions.
PLS THATS ANNOYING...I KNOW A MONK IS NOT A RELIGION. YOU GOT ME WRONG
Can't they back theirs up to the same degree as Christians - namely they believed things andwrote them down.
"This view is false and goes against the texts of the Qur’aan and the saheeh Sunnah which indicate that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was human and did not differ in his human make-up from other people. He had a shadow like any other human."
Man....i did religious and moral education for @ least six years in school. I Iive in a muslim community....i talk to them . I try taking them to church. They try persuading me(i resist).
In their attempt to persuade me they tell me nice stories about their religious leaders.
They told me about how a dead tree mohammed was resting on sprung up after he woke from it.
How the short heighted exit of a monk mohammed and his uncle met on one of their journeys lifted up for only mohammed when he was tryna get in.
Man....i did religious and moral education for @ least six years in school. I Iive in a muslim community....i talk to them . I try taking them to church. They try persuading me(i resist).
In their attempt to persuade me they tell me nice stories about their religious leaders.
They told me about how a dead tree mohammed was resting on sprung up after he woke from it.
How the short heighted exit of a monk mohammed and his uncle met on one of their journeys lifted up for only mohammed when he was tryna get in.
Hell is permanent, death and Hell will be cast into the lake of fire which is the second death and the smoke of their torments will rise forever. People don't get out of their misery by being "erased", and they don't cease to exist. Hell is where the worm never dies and the fire is never quenched.
I cannot really dispute this cos its not in my arsenal or a part of dress code in christianity. Its just a side wallet that i haven'T checked the content or currency of money in it.
It was hanging around my mind so i could look it up later. Cos its not coming from me as a source....i thought it was a. trusted source so i did not totally discard it.
But well, you seem certain. I will find out anyways. Later
Pardon me for going on about this, but there are many here from various religions who believe they will get out of suffering in death, and Hell cannot be real or at least it cannot be permanent. Jesus was very clear and to the point when He referred to Hell as a place of fire which torments sinners there while they never die but are dying forever.
Only two things make Biblical faith different from all religions in the world. The deity of Christ the reality of eternal condemnation in the fire of Hell which will be thrown with death into the lake of fire.
All religions, even Catholicism, teach that Hell is not permanent punishment. Many religions teach there is no literal Hell which burns with fire and brimstone and that is basically the same as temporary Hell...both make the false promise of being relieved from suffering. Jesus said it's permanent. The Book of the Revelation of Jesus Christ says it's permanent punishment.
God gaither of those two things and there is no reason to seek God's mercy.ve His all, Jesus, to save sinners from Hell. Sinners who will not repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ will give their all and it will never be enough to satisfy God for their sins. Christ is the propitiation by which God can be satisfied for the sins of sinners so they can be forgiven.
"Revelation 20:7-10, “When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore. They marchedacross the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God's people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them. And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had beenthrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
OK SO WRONG ABOUT RULING BUT FREED THOUGH.....TO GATHER ARMY
my english lecturer is white American and she has been in Africa 7yrs. I wish she was here to share her experience. If i do, you are just gonna call me superstitious. i hate witchcraft though...its no good
I dislike witchcraft (within the application you are referring to) because of its tendency to focus on the desire to inflict harm on others. But that desire does not itself create supernatural forces.
ok seen. i agree.i cannot stress my brains any further. i can't think far.i can't think madness.(not being rude,its a normal saying here). I cannot think beyond the sense you are making to make any further arguments.
I said before i couldnt make any further arguements cos i had a headache but now i can.
How can i dislike something that is not there. I can say i hate aliens(outer space) even though i havent seen one before but cos at least i heard the name and characteristics and i hate something about them.
So that desire hating witchcraft cannot just arise out of no where without proof of its existence.(hearing,seeing,reading,experiencing)
So i don't create, those forces by hating on em, i hate em cos they exist.
And i hate them cos of how they function.
No matter how hard they try, they never do good(unless a deal with dangerous side effect). Its just their nature and it opposite of mine . So its natural i hate them too. By the way your definition of witchcraft is ,defers from the ones here.
Your white witches are usually fortune tellers, scientists who go to the astral world to bring inventions dangerous to man kind(we have one here though but he is not a scientist by certificate), magicians, etc(the are usually physical and identifyable).
But here black and red witches.
Don't try to imagine how they function, its not logic to you unless you really encounter and get the experience.
I can even the lead the witches in my country to defeat the whole continent of America in a world war....may be III.
Just like in any other fiction, one can make any character the hero, and the other the goat. One can twist the story to make the bad guy look good at times and the good guy look bad. It makes entertaining reading, but the fact is it is all made up by its human author(s), so you can choose which ever character you wish to be the hero ... it's just a story. Make up your own variation (or "version") many do. Millions live by different versions and interpretations. I like fiction too ... but I have my own favorite authors, and NONE of them have re-written versions of those particular books.
The ancient Hebrew sages believed, of course, that God created the heavens and the earth. However, some of them believed that the Word of God was the very template with which He did it.
This strikes some of us as simply a colorful exaggeration that goes beyond any direct evidence.
There are hints here and there. There are two well-known references to the creation in the Scripture:
Genesis 1:1 and John 1:1. Let’s look “underneath” the text of each of these.
Genesis 1:1
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
In Hebrew:
Genesis 1:1 in Hebrew
If you examine the numerical values of each of the Hebrew letters, and the numerical value of the words (see chart), and apply them to this formula:
The number of letters x the product of the letters
÷
The number of words x the product of the words
You get 3.1416 x 1017. The value of π to four decimal places!
.....Hmm.
John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
In Greek:
John 1: 1 in Greek
This time if you take the numerical value of each of the Greek letters (see chart), and the numerical value of the words, and apply them to the same formula:
The number of letters x the product of the letters
÷
The number of words x the product of the words
You now get 2.7183 x 1040, the value of e. Curious!
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Significance?
Each of these is another of those puzzling ostensible “coincidences” that are too astonishing to dismiss, and yet present challenges in suggesting any real significance.
3 And taken together, they do evoke some conjectures.
There are, however, at least two problems: why just four decimal places (they both deviate from the fifth place onwards) and what do you do with all the “extra zeroes”?
Matt 11
25 At that time Jesus said, “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and intelligent and have revealed them to infants.
26 Yes, Father, for this way was well-pleasing in Your sight.
27 All things have been handed over to Me by My Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father; nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.
28 “Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest.
29 Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.
30 For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”
Jesus calls chasing after the world a yoke. He compares His yoke, and says it is easy and restful. A yoke is a bar guided.
We all wear a yoke, we are all slaves, one yoke leads to adoption as children, the others never are
released from their yoke.
No certificate of freedom.
Your yoke determines if you will remain a slave to a cruel taskmaster or if you will be born again and be renewed daily till you see Him as He fully is, and are changed in a twinkling of an eye.
FYI, twinkling of an eye is a scientific term. It's the aperture of light through the pupil of the eye. It's a fraction of light and time in the lowest divisible form.
The Bible has more science in it then you can imagine!
It's interesting they used a knowledge they couldn't have scientifically defined or knew of.
The field of biology has now discovered it is restricted by the boundary conditions of the information sciences. Its historical love affair with Darwinism is now being shattered by advances in microbiology, highlighted by the disturbing revelations of Michael Denton, Philip Johnson, and Michael Behe, et al., revealing biology's apparent immunity to truth and reason.
But now the field of physics, too, is in turmoil. Quantum physics has resulted in the abandonment of causality, the cornerstone of empirical science. And whether we address the units of length, mass, or time, we discover that they are composed of indivisible units that ultimately cannot be divided without losing their "locality."
The more one knows about particle physics and quantum mechanics, the more provocative these "science fiction" episodes become. Indeed, it was Dr. Albert Einstein that admitted,
People like us, who believe in physics, know that the distinction between the past, present, and the future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion.
And as physics goes, so too the entire field of cosmology. I believe it was Paul Davies who observed,
It is as if our entire universe is nothing more than a thought in the Mind of God.
The current genre of virtual reality films, while still retaining many of the moral deficiencies that have come to characterize the products of our entertainment industry, can still be provocative and useful in conceptualizing our present situation: we find ourselves in what can be accurately described as a digital simulation.
And transitions in and out of our space-time - from one "hyperspace" to another - is a potential rationalization of the more disturbing UFO reports and other apparent visits from dimensionalities other than our own.
It is also a way of conceptualizing the strangest transition of all: the harpazo, the "Great Snatch," which Paul alludes to in
1 Thessalonians 4:16 -18 and 1 Corinthians 15:50-53.
(A "twinkling of an eye" is not to be confused with a blink; at the speed of light passing through the retina, it is about 10-43 seconds - the very digital boundary of time itself.)
Doesn't Lucifer seem more justified in his anger than God?
It seems to me you're putting your own spin on what the Bible says. When God finished creating the universe and man as I understand it, God commanded all of heaven to bowel to the creation he had just completed but Lucifer objected to that stating to God "We Were Created First." I take that he didn't care about these creatures on this planet called Earth.
I also understand that part of Lucifer's job was to test humans to see if they genuinely loved God. I believe the Bible bares this out when God praise Job, it was Lucifer who wanted to put Job to the test and it was Lucifer who killed the majority of Job's family it was Lucifer who influenced Job's wife to try and force Job to curse God and die.
The point about allowing his son to die on the cross as being a bad thing then based on God's standards if his son hadn't died on that cross that would have been the end of mankind for ever. From as far back in the Bible as I can see Sin was not a little thing and people/animals (for man's sins) paid a heavy price. Adam and Eve would no longer listen to or obey God then they can no longer stay in the garden of Eden. Mankind was nothing but hateful, rapist, killers, evil people so keeping them around wasn't going to improve life but rather further drag it down.
Understanding the Bible when it came to impregnating Mary in order for salvation to begin someone had to be free of all sin and though God look through the universe to find such a person the only one he could find was his son.. That person could not be born in the traditional sense that we understand birth because anyone born that way is already under the judgment so the child had to be part human and the other part free of sin as I said only one being qualified and had he not accepted that he would have to go through this trial mankind would have been lost to history forever!
There is however hope for those who believe and worship Satan (Lucifer) as they will be with him again for eternity!
Man! thats a stupid false doctrine from hell in disguise of being heavenly. When man was created lucifer was no more lucifer . lucifer had already become satan. Please delete it from your mind and avoid sharing this virus
14 “Also among the prophets of Jerusalem I have seen a horrible thing: The committing of adultery and walking in falsehood; And they strengthen the hands of evildoers,
So that no one has turned back from his wickedness.
All of them have become to Me like Sodom,
And her inhabitants like Gomorrah.
15 “Therefore thus says the Lord of hosts concerning the prophets, ‘Behold, I am going to feed them wormwood
And make them drink poisonous water,
For from the prophets of Jerusalem
Pollution has gone forth into all the land.’”
16 Thus says the Lord of hosts,
“Do not listen to the words of the prophets who are prophesying to you. They are leading you into futility;
They speak a vision of their own imagination,
Not from the mouth of the Lord.
17 “They keep saying to those who despise Me,
‘The Lord has said, “You will have peace”’;
And as for everyone who walks in the stubbornness of his own heart, They say, ‘Calamity will not come upon you.’
18 “But who has stood in the council of the Lord,
That he should see and hear His word?
Who has given heed to His word and listened?
19 “Behold, the storm of the Lord has gone forth in wrath,
Even a whirling tempest;
It will swirl down on the head of the wicked.
20 “The anger of the Lord will not turn back
Until He has performed and carried out the purposes of His heart;
It was a flop because I didn't show up.....after one year, all I had to do is pop in and say "this one sure was a flop", and suddenly the dead old debate comes to life. Who is your leader?
It's probably just the standard stuff I say to idiots like you who put fighting words in my face. I have seen people spit out their teeth, literally, after talking like you talk to me, idiot. I'd be surprised if you have all of your teeth now, as people who talk like you are usually the people with gaps in their mouth where there should be teeth. I have all of my teeth largely because I don't spit fighting words at people like you, idiot.
You know what man just shut up ok. You say all this stuff i don't give a shit man and plus why are you talking about my teeth your teeth are probley ugly asf
Ok, thank you. It says a lot for you that you approached me this way now. Good for you, keep on looking to Jesus to be like Him, His people will be like Him, with Him, praising and honoring Him forever. It's time to prepare to give an account to Him for our words, thoughts, and actions. Live in hope and purify ourselves in word, thought, and action. It's not good to use fighting words when communicating. Profanity, cursing, is abusive and legal ramifications in court of law can be applied to the abusive person.
The Bible says our speech should always be with grace, seasoned with salt...always trying to speak in ways to point others and ourselves to the Savior. When somebody gets in my face with profane speech, they need to be corrected. I was only talking, trying to get you to use better manners. I don't mind people disagreeing with me, but when they start cursing to emphasize their point, they are being verbally abusive and I have literally seen such abuses answered with blows and the abusive person really was asking for it by throwing the first punch with profane speech.
There was a time not long ago in America when using profanity would get you thrown in jail. Some states in the past ten or twenty years still had laws on the books forbidding profanity in the presence of women and children. Our culture is losing its decency, falling into animal expressions inspired by evolution and atheism in strongholds of public education. Christians should talk different, and they should ask others to talk different with them. I'm against profanity and I'm against slang, I'm against worldly punk street talk and when people use it with me they will know I'm against it.......and they are lucky it's me they are doing it with instead of some people I know who would be much more likely to knock your teeth out if you come at them cursing.
Stars are referred to as angels throughout scripture, and is detailed incredibly in books of Enoch.
We are just touching the surface of the information and revelation that God is pouring out in these days.
You have to understand the revelation and understanding aspect of the Bible. When Jesus instructed to seek, and to look for the Kingdom like hidden treasures, He was telling us how to find what we need for every time.
The fallen angels looked up and made gods of constellations. These are angels and appointments. When God placed "time" on Day 4.
He did more than earth rotation and a calendar. He placed our times, our seasons, the number of our days, and the work of that time scheduled and appointed.
So, all of your sources are linear.
They have no understanding on the movements of the Spirit of God. And God purposely blinded them, and the Devils they unwittingly serve.
These are His times and purposes, the King and Queen on the chess board do not consult with pawns!
So then if God has blinded them, why seek their wisdom where there is none?
You also need to to realize and understand Christians who hear from God follow the light AS IT IS BEING REVEALED.
So the question is, if He is an unreachable depth, and His Word is hidden treasure, then is it logical to assume everything is already known?
Or is it more logical to look what is known, and expect God to show us more at His appointed time.
He uses the words Appointed time in various terms, He even says not only are events and Prophesy fulfilled at appointed times, He also discusses revelation of these treasures at the appointed time.
Satan is powerful and reads too, shocking, I know.
So if our enemy can pick up the playbook and read it, would it be a wise strategy to not have things hidden, with the Spirit leading His children to find the treasures at their appointed times?
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Christianity is a walk, it's a following the light and the cloud whenever He moves, which is a picture He gave leading Israel through the desert wilderness when they left Egypt.
Which fyi, ALL of a sudden all these things are being uncovered in these last days. He let deceptions blind the academic skeptic, and all the evil hearts with them, so when His judgement is given, they deserve it by every sealed measure. A slam dunk testimony against them, and a partaking of the blood of those decieved on the earth will be required justice on their heads!
Scarey, and true. The fool in his folly will be dealt the blow of judged demons. Their hearts were against God and his children, those will find no mercy in that day!
Sheol won't ever release them from their torment. God is just, they deserve their punishment for the physical and spiritual deaths they caused, they were instruments of destruction, and doom is their payment IN FULL!
Job 38 is crazy chock full of revelation, God shaking the wicked out!
Earthquake will drop them into the Pit, and the righteous will be separated out as the wicked decending into the wide open mouth of Sheol. They are being marked as we stand.
You are either sealed with His Spirit or your mind is that of oneness of image with the beast of the abyss. fyi no one deserves God's favor, but a willing to understand heart is the one God calls humble, and He exalts the humble. He raises up the humble.
So I'm glad you mentioned Isaiah 14!
Because it is telling you exactly the fate of the wicked, and the star that was once a bright light, that no longer shines in the Heavens, but has been cast down to Sheol. And let out to decieve the Nations, and the people, as God fills them all with the destruction of their flesh and pride, and lust!
Job 38 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
38 Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind and said,
2 “Who is this that darkens counsel
By words without knowledge?
3 “Now gird up your loins like a man,
And I will ask you, and you instruct Me!
4 “Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth?
Tell Me, if you have understanding,
5 Who set its measurements? Since you know.
Or who stretched the line on it?
6 “On what were its bases sunk?
Or who laid its cornerstone,
7 When the morning stars sang together
And all the sons of God shouted for joy?
8 “Or who enclosed the sea with doors
When, bursting forth, it went out from the womb;
9 When I made a cloud its garment
And thick darkness its swaddling band,
10 And I placed boundaries on it
And set a bolt and doors,
11 And I said, ‘Thus far you shall come, but no farther;
And here shall your proud waves stop’?
12 “Have you ever in your life commanded the morning,
And caused the dawn to know its place,
13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth,
And the wicked be shaken out of it?
14 “It is changed like clay under the seal;
And they stand forth like a garment.
15 “From the wicked their light is withheld,
And the uplifted arm is broken.
16 “Have you entered into the springs of the sea
Or walked in the recesses of the deep?
17 “Have the gates of death been revealed to you,
Or have you seen the gates of deep darkness?
18 “Have you understood the expanse of the earth?
Tell Me, if you know all this.
19 “Where is the way to the dwelling of light?
And darkness, where is its place,
20 That you may take it to its territory
And that you may discern the paths to its home?
21 “You know, for you were born then,
And the number of your days is great!
22 “Have you entered the storehouses of the snow,
Or have you seen the storehouses of the hail,
23 Which I have reserved for the time of distress,
For the day of war and battle?
24 “Where is the way that the light is divided,
Or the east wind scattered on the earth?
25 “Who has cleft a channel for the flood,
Or a way for the thunderbolt,
26 To bring rain on a land without people,
On a desert without a man in it,
27 To satisfy the waste and desolate land
And to make the seeds of grass to sprout?
28 “Has the rain a father?
Or who has begotten the drops of dew?
29 “From whose womb has come the ice?
And the frost of heaven, who has given it birth?
30 “Water becomes hard like stone,
And the surface of the deep is imprisoned.
31 “Can you bind the chains of the Pleiades,
Or loose the cords of Orion?
32 “Can you lead forth a constellation in its season,
And guide the Bear with her satellites?
33 “Do you know the ordinances of the heavens,
Or fix their rule over the earth?
34 “Can you lift up your voice to the clouds,
So that an abundance of water will cover you?
35 “Can you send forth lightnings that they may go
Book or Books of Enoch is not scripture. If you are going to use it as a source of truth, you might as well also use the Crayon and the Book of De Vita.
I am looking at the books of Enoch as a compliment to scripture. Much is on a shelf. Fyi. I did not even open Enoch till the last few weeks, because I thought like you. God didn't really show me anything out of Enoch yet. Everything I've gotten so far has been Genesis, Job, Isaiah, Ezekiel, and the New Testament.
I don't have Enoch figured out at all yet. But I am seeing some very curious things in Enoch. And I know in the last days things will be made much clearer and they are.
And Jude quotes from Enoch. So Idk, it seems I should at least read it and trust the Holy Spirit to lead me into all truth as promised, and to trust being in the hand of Jesus where no man can pluck me out of, and trust that He promised if I'm a sheep I will hear His voice, and another I will not follow.
These are three scriptures given to me as a new Christian, and they still seem to be at the front of my mind,, as the other promise, the Holy Spirit will bring His Word to remembrance. Which He does all the time.
I think you are under man's traditions, and although you have a heart for God, from what I see, I think you need to get out of this box. There is somewhere between being outside a box and swinging from trees. So if I'm swinging from trees you are boxed in. Come out of your box and you may have more to give me than the packaged traditions of men.
The book of Enoch is not complimentary to scripture, it contradicts scripture. You don't need to figure out Enoch, you need to recognize God's word is true and the book or books of Enoch are not true.
Have you read it? And why did Jude quote it? ....Enoch has more revelation of Jesus' then any book.
So I will read it, and I will consider it as possibly something hidden brought out in the last days.
Until God says it is not, then I will be open to be lead by the Holy Spirit, and I will not confine God by words of men.
I will listen for the Holy Spirit in men and listen to the Spirit of God in the brethern.
And you have not showed me when it comes to fresh light that you are looking outside the limitations of your denomination.
And I certainly am not a Baptist. God never placed me into a Baptist Church, although lovely, God has never lead me to be stifled by doctrines of men and denominations.
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I have always taken the Word and measured what was heard. I never measured the Bible by what I hear.
I don't take anyone's "words from the Bible unless, the Spirit, and the Word confirm it, ( in context, and in the entirety of Biblical context.)
I also understand revelation isn't stationary! Revelation comes as The Spirit moves and reveals. We are supposed to follow the cloud by day and the fire by night. Not stop at a mountain and as we wait for Jesus to come back down build a calf of gold and idolize it!
So it is a walk, we follow Him eating fresh manna everyday, or it turns to maggots.
We follow the cloud by day and the fire by night and that is a walk. The Kingdom is in us, it is in His body. He is the King of Light and we are His light to the world.
So I do not know why you say it is not a walk it's a kingdom.
No I'm not. I have an urgency that's driving me nuts, like He is coming tomorrow and I'm really freaking worried about getting His message out and pulling people into the Ark, Jesus!
God woke me up with an earthquake like there was no time to play around!
So I'm working out my own crap, as I'm giving out things He is showing me.
Here's how proud I am, I'm always asking how do I fix me in response to everything I'm seeing.
So if you think it's coming from a place of self elevation, it's smacking me too. So it's not.
I'm in shock God shows me anything, I'm trying to figure that out. Sometimes I ask what if God opens my mouth, and I'm like Moses, he never went in, and Satan fought over his body .
So your not correct in your thought, I understand it though. I've been down that road in my young years. I call it the dilemma of false humility, where God is moving it's stifled by a fear of pride. It's a misdirected of defining pride that is most common among new believers.
I'm reaching out to people with what God is showing and asking people to add to light. I think God may give me a piece and another a piece and together we see a picture.
So no I don't at all think it's about me, I'm stressed with urgency.
And every indication from the way He woke me up, to the things He showed me after I have no doubt we will see the final act reach its climax within about 15 years, and tribulation may start 2017 and the final act on the 2000th anniversary of the Resurrection which is 4 years off because of AD and BC original miscalculation. So it brings us to just past tribulation or a rapture, Idk, not all clear yet.
But Jesus said just like days of Noah, I felt He keeps bringing me back to the beginning for these answers
Noah entered the Ark 600th year 2nd month, and 17th day.
He came out of the Ark at the same time Passover was scheduled. So entered Ark - this could be rapture or it could be the final gathering sealing of the elect. - 6000th year 2017
And His Resurrection anniversary is coming up which coincides with His 1st Resurrection. Jesus said Noah was to be the picture, He pointed us where to look!
So help me figure it out, you have the Spirit, help! This date thing is important. We all need to get light from the Spirit and be one, this is how He is going to assemble His true body. We each with our gifts are going to figure all this out as He shows us each, so we can show each other!
You need to let God show you that anything which contradicts His word should be rejected. Gap theory, billions of years, theistic evolution, all contradict God's word and if you uphold those teachings they make you feel like you have special knowledge, it gives you a big head. The Book(s) or Enoch are very much contradictory to God's word.
The Bible has all we need for knowledge and growth in the Lord without adding things like Missler's gap theory and aliens and Nephalim or any of that. Some Christians add those doctrines as ways to compromise with beliefs regarding UFO phenominem, or compromising with ungodly scientists who believe in evolution and the big bang.
None of those teachings are necessary, you can answer the UFO phenomina, big bang theory, evolution, all of those things in full agreement with six literal days of creation as repeatedly taught in the Bible. When you go off on those theoretical doctrines, you are not submitting to the word of God and you're putting up a lot of distractions not focusing on the gospel.
If you're stressed with urgency, focus on the gospel by which men can be saved. Jesus said we are to preach the gospel, He didn't say go out and make long discussions explaining any kind of "gap theory" or millions of years in between days of the Genesis account of Creation.
You don't need to be concerned about the date of the rapture, what year it will be, what decade, or what day. Just keep busy serving the Lord. There is no need to worry about anything....we know how the story ends.
You're getting obsessed with things which are not that important. When the disciples watched Jesus ascend into Heaven where a cloud received Him out of their sight, an angel appeared and said "Why stand ye there gazing up into Heaven? Don't you know this same Jesus will come again in like manner as you saw Him depart?" In other words, get busy and don't worry about when Jesus is coming back or when the rapture is coming....it will be soon enough and 'quickly", suddenly.
Serve the Lord with fear, rejoice with trembling. Focus on the gospel, Jesus calls us to lose our lives for His name's sake and His gospel, to deny ourselves and carry our cross and follow Him, through death into life everlasting, it's all about Jesus, it's all about the gospel. Chuck Missler and Hugh Ross are much more about their pet doctrines than about Jesus. Don't go that way, it's not the way of the cross.
Ok your a mess. I have not contradicted God's Word.
And you like your denomination box. I will not go into your box, so then what?
I lead people to know the way, the cross, the resurrection, and what that means. So your packaged doctrines limit your vision. Preconceived ideas, withhold God showing you more.
Whatever, You preach the cross, so I do not damn you. But I won't stop God showing me things because you have a flashlight in your box and that's it.
Kingdom first, the King is the focus, your walk is not the focus. I commented because you said "Christianity is a walk". It is not a walk, it's a Kingdom.
This is what bugs me with your doctrines, you make up your own stuff as you go along and don't care what the Bible says about it.
I don't know what your problem is. But you are inverting some weird perceptions of where my focus is. And it doesn't even make sense. Like your pulling things out of the air.
Well.....U clearly didn't read the Bible.... God kicked Lucifer out of Heaven. Duh. Also... God loves humans. Lucifer hates God= he hates humans. End of story.
Satan has no reason to hate humans who have been sent to hell. If anything, he should feel a kinship towards humans who were sent to Hell by a god who knew where they were predetermined to go to hell in the first place. Ultimately, those humans (like Satan) are simply the victims of a fate set in stone by a supposedly compassionate god. So Satan's response would be to hate those humans? That doesn't make any sense.
You're probably still resenting me too much to listen, and as much as it might tempt me to respond in the wild like an animal when you use fighting words with me, you are by blood related to me and I care about you. I do not claim to be more moral than you, I simply concede to an objective morality which shows I need forgiveness from God, and I strive to avoid doing what God says I should not do and do what God says I should do. I'm still a sinner the same as you, if God strikes me dead today, or plunges me into a long and slow painful suffering until my body rots in death, I deserve it because of my immoralities. I know I'm all that bad, I know the rotten things I do and I know how awful of a person I can come across as being......I really hold nothing against you. I am forgiven of so much, Jesus paid my price and forgave me of what He paid when He left it buried in the ground, the ax I carried against Him, he took it from me when He died on the cross for that ax I carried. Jesus buried the axe, rose from the dead, and I am forgiven. How can I carry an ax again, how can I not be forgiving? I don't hold grudges, I forgive all and know there is nothing I can do but walk away from many. Maybe that's what I should do now, but I can't help believing that the angriest of atheists (not you of course, there are many who seem much angrier than you) can know God's forgiveness and rest assured of home in Heaven. So one more time I try in the name of Jesus Christ to get something across to you. It all makes sense, all is answered....it's only us because of our corrupt hearts which confuses things so the answer seems unclear at times.
At the end of this, I'm going to try to explain Satan's hatred for humans, but first I want to as some questions. Try to set aside your hatred of me and think logically. You likely will find tripping points in the following causing you to stop being reasonable with God. I hope you will find enough here to get you thinking beyond "That doesn't make any sense". In this world, in our human predicament, nothing makes sense if God Himself did not die for us, conquer death, and offer the hope of salvation to every one of us. To be saved from death....if we can be saved, there is hope. If not, nothing makes any sense and a few power hungry people will do all they can to preserve their own lives which is the goal of "trans-human", the promise of evolution which teaches we will evolve into gods which have adapted to powers and abilities sufficient to maintain immortality........in other words, the same thing Lucifer set out to do, live independent of God with no fear of condemnation for evil.
So you feel like if you end up in Hell, it's God's fault, and Satan should feel like family with you. You feel like you have no choice but to give yourself over to your animal urges for sinful self-satisfaction, self-gratification, and self-exultation, and you are incapable of taking sides with God against your wrongdoings?
Do you expect God to be compassionate when your actions hurt others? Is God supposed to not care about the hurt others feel due to your actions?
If you want chapter and verse references in the Bible for any of the following, I can provide it.
I'm sure you are aware Satan's name was Lucifer originally, meaning "Shining One" or "Light Carrier" or something like that. He was called "the anointed cherub which covereth". He had a special place, either as the chief of all angels or one of the three chief angels which would be Michael, Gabriel, and Lucifer. Because of his magnificent and perfect attributes, he became proud of himself, and desired admiration and service of lesser angels. He wanted to take God's place as the King of Heaven. It was his choice, his own idea, and when other angels such as Gabriel and Michael would not go along with his plan, it became war....the holy angels serving God to keep His kingdom peaceful and Lucifer turned to Satan, "Satan" meaning "adversary", and desired to forcefully take God's place to have the angels serving himself. Satan and his angels became devils, "devils" implying twisted against God, perverted natures turned away from what God created them for which was His own enjoyment. Now they had become a thorn in God's side. To cause them to un-exist would mean that God's work is not good in that He failed to create beings suitable for Himself with free will, and what would prevent other holy angels (Lucifer was holy, perfect, without fault when he was created) from turning evil to rebel against God? Satan brought condemnation on himself. You can't go against God and win.
Now a little speculation here, but I think it's Biblical. I think that if Satan knew God could keep him powerless in torment of the Lake of Fire, he would not have rebelled. I think Satan thought that if God destroyed him, he would no longer exist so he really had nothing to lose. I think Satan accused God very much the way atheists here accuse God, saying God is a dictator demanding adherence to a moral code, and unloving if he will not relieve punishment. The accusations imply God could not be true to His own character if punishment is permanent. Because of this dilemna, I beleive, God was happy within Himself throughout eternity past, full of love and joy and peace with the Father loving the Son and Spirit, the Son loving the Father and Spirit, the Spirit loving the Father and Son. God knew that if He created beings like Himself that some of them would rebel, and He knew what He would have to do to remain true to His own character and justified to hold in eternal condemnation those who rebelled against Him. He would have to take their condemnation on Himself and suffer their destruction. So He came, as the Lamb of God, to be the sacrifice for our sins. He Himself paid our price to buy us back from what we have earned which is eternal condemnation for our sins. Because He paid your price in death, He is justified to keep you in death forever separated from anything good by the flames of Hell. Because He paid your price in death and conquered death as it could not hold Him who never sinned, He is justified to keep you in eternal life in Heaven while leaving Satan in eternal condemnation of Hell.
You can be saved, you can be proof of God's goodness, love, righteousness, His mercy, His justice........because God proved Himself in what He did to save you from the devil's Hell. If you end up in Hell, it's only because in your pride you refused to concede to God's right to punish sin eternally, it's only because you value sin more than life, and refuse to trust God to give you mercy and eternal life through Jesus Christ.
You can be saved, you can enjoy all of God's blessings in eternal life. The devil cannot be saved. God defeated the devil by becoming a man to pay the price of sin, so man can be pardoned based on full payment that was made by the blood of God Himself. God had to do this to be true to His own character.
Satan hates humans because by us, God proves He is justified to keep Satan in Hell. Satan wants to take as many people down with him as he can, destroying them who are made in God's image being the only way Satan can strike back at God. There is no love, no kinship, no kindness, no enjoyment in Satan. He's pure hatred, pretending to offer pleasures to people who might equate pleasures with love......knowing that going away from, independent of God will end in destruction where fullness of hatred against evil will be revealed in the fire of Hell for people who thought they could get away with it in death.
If you read this carefully trying to understand God's rationale, I think the next question would be "why can't the devil be saved?"
Your fate is set in stone only if you want it that way. God gives you your heart's desire because He is good. If you want a reality void of God's goodness, if you want to insist God is not being good to you in reality now, God will reluctantly give you that reality void of His goodness in the only place where nothing is good, in the fire of Hell.
Of course you really don't want to be burning in Hell forever. God does not want that for you, and knowing I deserve it but am forgiven I do not want my worst enemies to burn in Hell.......but I can't stop them from going there.
Hate? Hmm ... is there a reason for hate? Is Satan bearing a grudge against mankind? Not necessarily.
Did slave owners have a reason to mistreat slaves? Or was is greed and power and other factors that made them cruel?
Mankind isn't Satan's enemy. He is in rival with God, to be powerful like God. To rule subjects, and pawns. Lucifer isn't angry with man, he just doesn't love man. Man is just a tool like in the hand of Hitler. An evil regime doesn't care for its subjects, only to squeeze their usefulness, flattery, conspiracy, murder, whatever for his gain, and nothing else matters.
So don't interpret Satan as man's rival, man is simply a weapon destined for destruction, in the hands of one who wars against God, and the things of God. He is a slave owner, and man is his slave!
The difference:
God allows mankind to be consumed by their own devices. This is snare and trap He has set for them is the hardness and stubbornness of their own ways.
Then He will wipe them from the earth with the evil and darkness that fills the earth and their hearts.
Wickedness seems to thrive when they are methodically digging their ditches, working the ground, insisting on their own way. But appearing to thrive and descending into depravity are misinterpreted by those without understanding.
If you seek God while you still can, then you will see it for what in reality it really is. A table that is set as a snare. It's a feast for every fowl bird, a feeding frenzy of the insatiable appetite of the serpent who is cursed to eat dust all his days.
Rev 19
17 Then I saw an angel standing in the sun, and he cried out with a loud voice, saying to all the birds which fly in midheaven, “Come, assemble for the great supper of God,
18 so that you may eat the flesh of kings and the flesh of commanders and the flesh of mighty men and the flesh of horses and of those who sit on them and the flesh of all men, both free men and slaves, and small and great.”
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Giants similar like Goliath, born unnaturally through seed of fallen angels. These were also cannibals, continually violent. As cannibals they devoured a part of themselves. And those who were more of a human form were sacraficing their own children.
Opposite from God's design, where He provided the sacrafice for Abraham. It's a side by side contrast of two rulers.
One ruler the God of all, the Creator, the Good Sheperd. And then two the ruler_ who exalted himself and is a task master, destroying his domain and his subjects.
Again you have a contrast, while Lucifer, Satan, exalts himself saying “I will ascend … above the Most High,” in direct contrast you then have the humility of God, who decends to dust from under the belly of the serpent and breaks through a way to redeem fallen creatures enslaved and destined for the serpents fate.
It’s interesting that many use accusing God of exalting Himself as a talking point. People accuse God of pride and of being demanding and intolerance.
But the ruler of this world shows his way, and defines pride in his exaltation, to the detriment and enslavery, who descended lower than Half of their makeup, mankind along with unnatural half is fallen angel.
A perversion that was devouring the humanity made originally in the image of God part of their humanity, the part that is darkening. As God gives them over to the darkness they love.
People are decieved because of their own hearts. They love what they cling to. And when Truth calls to them, they love what the are bound to, even if it's drowning them.
Gen 6:
1 Now it came about, when men began to multiply on the face of the land, anddaughters were born to them,
2 that the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose.
3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh;
25 At that time Jesus said, “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and intelligent and have revealed them to infants.
26 Yes, Father, for this way was well-pleasing in Your sight.
27 All things have been handed over to Me by My Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father; nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.
28 “Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest.
29 Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.
30 For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”
Jesus calls chasing after the world a yoke. He compares His yoke, and says it is easy and restful. A yoke is a bar guided.
We all wear a yoke, we are all slaves, one yoke leads to adoption as children, the others never are released from their yoke.
No certificate of freedom.
Your yoke determines if you will remain a slave to a cruel taskmaster or if you will be born again and be renewed daily till you see Him as He fully is, and are changed in a twinkling of an eye.
FYI, twinkling of an eye is a scientific term. It's the aperture of light through the pupil of the eye. It's a fraction of light and time in the lowest divisible form.
The Bible has more science in it then you can imagine!
It's interesting they used a knowledge they couldn't have scientifically defined or knew of.
The field of biology has now discovered it is restricted by the boundary conditions of the information sciences. Its historical love affair with Darwinism is now being shattered by advances in microbiology, highlighted by the disturbing revelations of Michael Denton, Philip Johnson, and Michael Behe, et al., revealing biology's apparent immunity to truth and reason.
But now the field of physics, too, is in turmoil. Quantum physics has resulted in the abandonment of causality, the cornerstone of empirical science. And whether we address the units of length, mass, or time, we discover that they are composed of indivisible units that ultimately cannot be divided without losing their "locality."
The more one knows about particle physics and quantum mechanics, the more provocative these "science fiction" episodes become. Indeed, it was Dr. Albert Einstein that admitted,
People like us, who believe in physics, know that the distinction between the past, present, and the future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion.
And as physics goes, so too the entire field of cosmology. I believe it was Paul Davies who observed,
It is as if our entire universe is nothing more than a thought in the Mind of God.
The current genre of virtual reality films, while still retaining many of the moral deficiencies that have come to characterize the products of our entertainment industry, can still be provocative and useful in conceptualizing our present situation: we find ourselves in what can be accurately described as a digital simulation.
And transitions in and out of our space-time - from one "hyperspace" to another - is a potential rationalization of the more disturbing UFO reports and other apparent visits from dimensionalities other than our own.
It is also a way of conceptualizing the strangest transition of all: the harpazo, the "Great Snatch," which Paul alludes to in
1 Thessalonians 4:16 -18 and 1 Corinthians 15:50-53.
(A "twinkling of an eye" is not to be confused with a blink; at the speed of light passing through the retina, it is about 10-43 seconds - the very digital boundary of time itself.)
The logic flaws lie in not knowing the Word for yourselves, and depending on the hearsay of what people think it says.
It's a dead book without His Spirit. It's the children's bread, if you want the children's bread you must be willing for God to work in you, to show you.
If your sheep He will Shepherd you, if you are swine you will jump into the sea.
He will show you, and lead you, but if your heart is hardened and your mind is seared then there isn't anything to see. But some history and facts.
Your heart and openness will determine if you get manna from heaven, or quail coming out your nostrils.
C) Kicked out of Heaven for not thinking humans were so great (you know the people that God wipes out on a regular basis). Did you even read the debate description? Or the Bible?
D) Not being in Heaven and being in Hell. Isn't it your belief that that should make someone angry? Maybe you don't believe that stuff.
So the angel who led the rebellion against God, before there was any evil in existence, is innocent? The one who taught idiots like you to curse their Creator so that they must be destroyed is innocent? He is your leader, leading you into Hell, and and he has done nothing to harm you? Are you that far gone in the dark that you think your leader is better than God?
Can you tell me who or what your leader is? Where do you think your leader, even if you are your own leader as you probably claim, is taking you? Is your leader not taking you down, forcing you to bow to it?
Do you have a leader? Yes or no. And you talk about being unable to answer simple questions.
You have a leader......it's sin, taking you down in death. Bow to your leader which you love more than life....bow for a hundred years, kiss your sin, enjoy as long as it allows you to enjoy.
So you have no leader, and don't know where you are going? Lost.
You might want to consult your dictionary for directions since you don't have a leader....other than your sin which is taking you down in death. Bow to your leader.
Jesus Christ is Lord, He is my king, we are sinners, you are a lost sinner being led by your sin in death to Hell, I am a sinner saved by grace, forgiven, on my way to Heaven.
Claiming that others commit more sins than you will not get you out of your sin which is leading you down in death to Hell.
I see no if about it...you are the person who has "ifs", and that is only because you don't know where you are going and you don't know who or what is your leader.
Blind leaders of the blind, not knowing where you are going.
Do you have a leader? Yes, no, or I don't know are the options.......you look bad with any of those three options, so you avoid answering the simple question...Who or what is your leader?
Well you ask in the name of Hell since you are going there...although you really have no authority to ask anything in the name of Hell.....only stupidity pretending to be strong by declaring your end gives you power.
So who or what is leading you in death? It's sin, it's taking you down in it's corruption which rots in your bones and there is no place for it in Heaven. You're on your way to Hell. You need to be saved.
I"m saved. God Himself died for me, paid my price with His blood and conquered death offering forgiveness to all who repent and believe from their heart that He is risen from the dead and is the Living God, the Lord God Almighty. My sins are covered by His blood so I don't have to pay in Hell's fire for a debt which I could never pay off. When I knew I was lost, guilty, worthy of nothing but eternal dying in Hell, I believed on Jesus and opened the door to Him, He came in to me, gave me a new heart like His which desires always to please God, to serve Him, and I will serve Him gladly forever knowing He gave me life and died to save me from my sins, from death, from Hell. I'm forgiven, I'm going to Heaven, I'm saved.
If sin can't be your leader, why can't you get out of dying? Sin is taking you down, boy, and you are following it as your master...and you love it more than life and you are getting what you have earned.
this was over 100 days old, a total flop with a few dumb comments from Hell bound sinners.....all I did was, a few days ago, said "this one sure was a flop.....and suddenly a bunch of devil-minded monkey men jump in to put on a show.
I guess that makes me the leader here. It will probably die again when I'm done here.......unless you children of the devil want to fight with KHav
I am my own leader and I make God decisions that cause me to be a moral person. You ate your own leader and you make terrible decisions to cause yourself to be an immoral person.
Now that I answered the question will you admit it isn't a simple question?
wow! It only took you about six days to come up with an answer. Good.
What was so difficult? What word in the question was above a second grade reading level? It was simple. How can I say it was not a simple question? Are you kidding?
Ok, so you finally answered the simple question, "who or what is your leader". Now since you declare yourself to be your own leader, to where or to what are you leading yourself?
I didn't know you are a moral person, I'm not sure what that means coming from you. You have no problem lying through your teeth, but you claim to be moral? How do you know the basis of your morality is moral when it caused you to lie through your teeth? Is that moral? Now don't tell me it doesn't matter if you lie because your teeth are gone. You're still a liar, and how do you claim to be moral when you are a liar?
Not to mention your vile speech and hateful attitude which is murderous at heart...yet you are moral? Who told you what moral is?
You're basically the largest unmitigated jackass on this website, so you probably shouldn't go around trying to claim you are more moral than everyone else.
I'll let my comment history to you speak for itself. You started insulting people the very first day you came here, and I really doubt you've gone a day without continuing that trend.
No point putting any thought into comments made to you, since you never respond with coherent, relevant, respectful material anyway (and, again, I've got the comment history to prove it).
You're not listening very well. You are taking offence when you don't need to...defending bad behaviors and trying to prove me guilty of bad behavior as if that excuses your bad behaviors. This is not a contest of who is the worst, I do not know you that well, I know the evils of my own dark nature, I know I'm rotten to the core and worthy of Hell with nothing good in me other than the life of Christ who makes me desire to be like Him......so if I do any good, it's Him doing it or giving me the ability to do it, so He gets all the credit and honor and I deserve none because I'm guilty and worthy of nothing but death in myself. If you lay charges against me and make those charges hold up in court so that I am legally executed, that does not excuse you or make you better than me....and it does not make me worse than you. We are sinners, bound in bodies of corruption turned in lusts against God. I know the promise of freedom, one day I will be free of sin to be like Jesus in His resurrection forever with a new body, I know this promise can be true for you also as a gift from God you can receive in reality even now....but will you? I don't know that.
wow! It only took you about six days to come up with an answer. Good.
So, I guess you can't admit it wasn't a simple question. I might have given you an answer sooner if you used the proper words, or explained what you meant.
What was so difficult?
The definition of the word "leader" that you used did not allow for the use of "sin" as the answer. When the person asking a question doesn't understand the words involved with the question it is difficult to give them an answer.
What word in the question was above a second grade reading level?
Ooh. Not a good idea to point out that you can't even uses words that aren't even above the second grade reading level.
It was simple.
You couldn't give an answer that made sense. Why would you think it is simple?
How can I say it was not a simple question?
Good point. Only someone with a second grade reading level could.
"who or what is your leader".
That wasn't asked 6 days ago. For 5 days you asked "do you have a leader?". Plus, the question still only makes sense if I eliminate parts of the question.
Now since you declare yourself to be your own leader, to where or to what are you leading yourself?
Already explained to you.
I didn't know you are a moral person,
Immoral people such as yourself often have hard times recognizing morality.
I'm not sure what that means coming from you.
What grade level does the word "moral" belong to?
You have no problem lying through your teeth, but you claim to be moral?
You are the only one here lying through your teeth.
Now don't tell me it doesn't matter if you lie because your teeth are gone.
Why would I say anything that fucking dumb? Besides, I know lying is wrong. That is why I repeatedly attack you for lying.
You're still a liar, and how do you claim to be moral when you are a liar?
You should try answering that question.
Not to mention your vile speech and hateful attitude which is murderous at heart...yet you are moral?
You are the one constantly cheering for people to go to Hell.
The only thing new from you is that it took you around six days to answer the question of who or what is your leader. I really expected nothing but nonsense like what I'm sure fills your choppy long reply to my carefully worded and thought out post.
Your brain short circuits and then you give a nonsense reply......I'm surprised you actually were able to think for around six days wondering why it seemed so difficult for you to answer a simple question. I thought you would have given more nonsense and not bothered trying to think of an answer to my simple question.
No! How can you justify a servant's or your personal entertainer's action of feeling proud due to credits you give to him and therefore wanting to take over your whole kingdom. When you provide for him. When brought him into existence and made him whatever he is proud of. Just because you did not create him as the last angel but the number 1 angel. Had he been at the bottom, would over throwing God ever crossed his mind?