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Debate Score:182
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Doubt is a form of trust

Or perhaps more well put...."Doubt is a function of trust"

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Side Score: 89
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Side Score: 93
3 points

If I am wrong, describe a doubt that you have that cannot be described as a trust.

Side: Agree
1 point

I trust that no one will take me up on that challenge....in other words, I doubt anyone will.

Side: Agree
Nebeling(1117) Disputed
1 point

I will.

Doubt is not necesarilly a form of trust. If your friend claims he can predict the number of coins in your pocket, you doubt that he can, but there's a chance he could, so you don't trust that he can't. There's no trust here, only doubt, you doubt both possibilities.

Infact, this can be said about any scenario involving probability and prediction. Say there's P chance of an event happening, your friend predicts it will happen. You doubt that his prediction is right, but there's still a very real chance that his prediction is right, so you neither trust that he's right nor that he's wrong.

Side: Disagree
tayzhian(15) Disputed
1 point

I doubt that I'll pass the maths test. I have a lack of trust in myself.

Side: Disagree
atypican(4875) Disputed
1 point

You trust that you haven't learned the material well enough to pass the test. You trust your self assessment.

Side: Agree
2 points

I agree. Take god for an example. You have to trust Him to question Him. 012345678910

Side: Agree
Intangible(4934) Disputed
1 point

How does that ensure that doubt is a form of trust?

If you trust him, then you won't doubt him.

If you question him, then you don't trust him until he gives you a reason to relieve you of doubt.

What you are saying is just contradicting.

Side: Disagree
NotDepressed(49) Disputed
2 points

If I do not trust God, I will lie to Him and pretend that I do not have doubts, but because I trust Him, I can be honest about it.

Side: Agree
2 points

Try putting it in a sentence. Might make things clearer. :/

I doubt that you are you going to the park with me.

I trust that you are not going to the park with me.

The second sentence can either put trust in the speaker or to the other person....which is the debate's question.

To the speaker: I trust in myself that you are not going to the park with me.

To the other person: I trust in you that you are not going to the park with me.

I don't speak like that (The sentence just above "To the other person") so that is why I am having trouble with this debate. Putting trust into someone to do something negative is odd to think. But I will bet it is an unnoticeable common. Um....

Lets say your husband cheats on you constantly and it breaks your heart badly. Now think about this because I think I have something. The person you love has just changed before your eyes. As if he or she is a new person. You are chained to the relationship and just have to accept the new person who he or she is. So when your love says that he or she is going on a business trip...your mind will automatically doubt that your love is actually going on a business trip and instead pursue an affiar. And your mind will accept your love as a new person and say "I trust IN YOU that you are having an affair."

Side: Agree
Intangible(4934) Disputed
2 points

If she was uncertain then it would be doubt, but now she claims to be certain of it by claiming she trust that judgement.

So she comes to the conclusion of trust because the doubt is gone.

Doubt is still not a form of trust.

Side: Disagree
TheThinker(1697) Disputed
3 points

"If she was uncertain then it would be doubt."

Yes she becomes doubtful that her husband is not going to a "business trip."

"But now she claims to be certain of it by claiming she trusts that judgment."

Yes she becomes certain of the doubt by trusting in the doubt or her doubtful judgment.

"So she comes to the conclusion of trust because the doubt is gone."

No. She trusts that the doubt is there. She has become certain of the uncertain.

"Doubt is still not a form of trust."

It seems contradictory to say that one can be uncertain and certain at the same time. It makes sense to me. If one person becomes uncertain of something, that is like saying that you are you certain of your uncertain thought. In other words, you trust yourself to believe something is uncertain.

Like...if I showed you an apple and told you it was an orange...you will probably laugh. You will be most likely certain that the apple IS NOT an orange and that I am a complete idiot. At the same time, you trust your doubt because you trust your experiences. And it is your experiences or knowledge that tells you that what you see is an apple.

Am I wrong? I could be. You seem smart.

Side: Agree
1 point

I honestly think it is... For example, i doubt the american government for what it stands for. If you don't trust someone it's still a form of trust, just untrust.

Side: Agree
RavenLily(733) Disputed
3 points

Well, that makes perfekt sense... So to recap, you untrust the American government because you doubt what it stands for, therefore you trust it, er, I mean untrust it... Did I get that right? Somehow, I doubt it! :)

Side: Disagree
Kite626(714) Clarified
3 points

indeed you did get it right... although i don't know if you're being sarcastic or supportive lol

Side: Agree
GuitarGuy(6096) Disputed
3 points

"Untrust" isn't a word...

Side: Disagree
Kite626(714) Clarified
2 points

Yes i know this, auto correct obviously shows that. I'm just to lazy to go back and put distrust. My point was still clear so i don't give two shits.

Side: Agree
MKIced(2511) Disputed
3 points

The opposite (or lack) of something is not a form of it. Light is white and the color black is the absence of light. Although both are considered colors by most, black is not a "form" of light. (And no, blacklight is not black- it's purple/ultraviolet).

Side: Disagree
atypican(4875) Disputed
3 points

If "to doubt" is truly opposite of "to trust" than it should be impossible to trust someone while having some doubt.

Side: Agree
Kite626(714) Disputed
1 point

Without knowing what trsut is, you wouldn't be able to comprehend, untruthfulness. Theres a balance, every word has it's opposing word. They exist off one another, So (IMO) distrust is a form of trust.

Side: Agree
Intangible(4934) Disputed
2 points

So (un)distrust is trust? Whaaaaaaat ?

(universe implodes)

It's even in the word. "dis" or "un"= not, therefore distrust=not trust. Doubt is a form of distrust and not a form trust.

The definition of doubt specifically implies that it is not trust, which means it can't be trust of any form.

Side: Disagree
Kite626(714) Clarified
1 point

What point do you even get at? Even if i were to agree or disagree, what point are you even getting at.

Side: Agree
5 points

It's like the opposite of trust...

Doubt= unsure of

Trust=sure of

Side: Disagree
atypican(4875) Disputed
3 points

The opposite of doubting is suspecting, not trusting. Thanks for playing :)

Side: Agree
Intangible(4934) Disputed
2 points

Prove it? You can't just make a claim and act as if it's true. lol

Side: Disagree
atypican(4875) Disputed
2 points

It's like the opposite of trust...

Is it truly? Isn't to doubt, to place a certain level of trust in a hunch that X might not be the case?

Doubt= unsure of

or alternatively....doubt=trusting proposition X less and Y more

Trust=sure of

If "trust = sure of" this might not account very well for varying levels of trust.

Side: Agree
Intangible(4934) Disputed
1 point

Nope. There is no belief involved.

There is just not enough evidence to put any amount of trust in X.

X just floats around, remains intangible and isn't given any attention until it can be tangibly grasped.

Side: Disagree
atypican(4875) Disputed
2 points

Doubt= unsure of

Trust=sure of

Correction

Doubt = SOMEWHAT unsure of

Trust = SOMEWHAT sure of

further,

That which we are only somewhat SURE of....is also.......That which we are only somewhat UNSURE of

Side: Agree
Intangible(4934) Disputed
0 points

Don't know where you get your definitions from. You pull them out of your ass apparently.

Side: Disagree
3 points

My personal adviser is very mistrustful of your theory.

Side: Disagree

While you could say that doubt is a form of trust, in that you're trusting your own instincts and experience over the thing you doubt....

That's really just playing with semantics. You could argue that cold is a form of heat (as the term cold just indicates a temperature below a somewhat arbitrary threshold), and be somewhat correct in a technical sense, but it's still wrong insofar as understanding of heat is concerned- while it is scientifically a measure of kinetic energy at the molecular level, when people talk about hot and cold they're talking about relative to the norm, specific measurements of energy be damned.

Side: Disagree

Trust, as you say, might be positive (trust) or negative (untrust). Can it apply to believing? Believing is same as unbelieving to a certain extent. It seems like a funny word play to me. Fairly interesting how the words' meanings make the statement more important without the importance of context. Imagine how many words are out there, but the argue around here is dedicated directly to those two. But the context can't be ignored since words are meant to make sense and send a message to the receiver in a conversation. it's easy as bad is bad and good is good. Only one decision is left to decide, what is bad and good. And that decision is different to all people. e.g. Say out loud a bad joke to someone involving a dirty joke. And watch how many different people will react. - Now what I just said is my opinion and . So the two words trust and untrust signify the same definition only one negatively and the other positively. So with context these words get applied into action and describe certain obvious things, or unobvious if you're in a doubt. Being in between them, the decision between true and false, bad and good,believe and disbelieve. Just being unsure. English dictionary was created, and began to develop and still develops. And the words have a certain meaning. Choose your vocabulary and stick with it. But keep in mind that most people will speak how they were thought. So just stick with the language. - And I might be wrong. Explain why I could be? Cheers.

Side: Disagree
3 points

I kind of don't get this. If you have doubt that someone can do something you aren't exactly trusting them completely. Since you doubt them. I'll give an example invade this doesn't make sense :) If I was asked to do something an the person who asked didnt have a doubt in their mind that I could do it it's showing trust but if they asked me to do it and they still had doubts its bit showing a lot of trust, if that makes sense? :/

Side: Disagree

Is Ice a form of liquid?

yes it is the solid form of water and water is a liquid.

Side: Disagree

Doubt is still not a form of trust.

Just because they can be used at the same does not mean that it's a form of it.

Side: Disagree
1 point

when you doubt a person then how can you trust him??

Side: Disagree