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Everyone's philosophical/logical first principles are accepted as self evident
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Yes. Although, this includes the contention in question. We may arrive at extreme skepticism, but doing so requires endorsing certain presumptions as well. Though I think it safe to say we cannot be assured of our views, we can no more negate the defensibility of our views than we can affirm it. That we live with uncertain knowledge is not cause to abandon any view, nor even to regard the views of others as equally valid to our own. What is the truth of another to us, when it contradicts our own truth? To claim either is to assume a certain set of values which do not necessarily follow from the skeptical observation in question. Side: true
Being an extreme skeptic has always come naturally to me. On the Very rare occasion I find a statement that's not easily reduced to absurdity by my " inner helper" and I, I tend to remember these kind of personality shaping statements. I do not assert that since all ideologies are fundamentally identical (in this sense) that one is therefore as well formed as the next. I just like to talk about root assumptions...because HERE we are all on equal footing. Side: true
Simply declaring that what I say is nonsense is dismissing what I say. It in no way shows the folly of my ways. Don't try to take credit for what you never did. I do not consider myself any more or less an authority on logic than anyone else. I share my understanding about logic because I think my perspective is valid and valuable. I look for thoughtful criticism to help me refine my views. Got any? Side: false
I did not mean to suggest anything about your own position; I was largely elaborating. That said, I do not think the question of "well-formedness" is particularly relevant at the point where we lack any objective standard to evaluate legitimacy by. To suggest that any ideology could be more well formed than another is also to assume a certain standard or set of standards for legitimacy which cannot themselves be defended beyond faith. Side: true
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If you can't tell the difference between lies and the truth, you must be retarded or on drugs. When there are conflicting opinions, they can't both be right and if you don't investigate to see if either one of them is right, accepting them both as true is stupid..... At least you are consistent in stupidity, unable to recognize truth. Side: false
That you are more interested in discussing my character than the subject is clear. Your (hastily drawn and false) conclusion that I think all opinions are equal based on my observation that all first principles are accepted prima facie is preventing you from addressing my point at all. It's Ok. you want to discuss personalities? Here are some difference I see already between you and I 1. You tend to assume that people who disagree with you do so out of stupidity or bad motives. I tend to highly value the many intelligent viewpoints that differ from mine. 2. You don't hesitate to attack someone's character, while I reserve insults for special occasions. Want to discuss more differences in character between you and I? Side: false
Your views are anti-Christian, you are not polite in pushing lies as truths, and you will hate me because I know Jesus Christ is the only way, the only life, and the only truth and I will say it loud and clear. All other ways are false, leading to death and Hell. You are not polite in pushing your lies as truth, so how can I be polite in exposing it as nonsense and anybody who thinks your idea are logical as retarded? In reality, it's evil, you are being evil, teaching evil, and if you don't wake up before it's too late you will be in the Lake of Fire forever, frying like an eternal sausage. Side: true
Christians I know and respect dont see me as anti-christian. Do you accept the command to love your enemies? Or is that a scripture that you ignore? Anyway I don't view you or other Christians as enemies. I have long since matured past hating people, so I won't be hating you any time soon, hard as you may try Side: true
In my opinion....a MAJOR hallmark of a true Christian is that they don't have a condescending attitude toward their neighbors. When they read the Bible verse about how even saying to their brother "thou fool" puts them in danger of hellfire, they take it to heart. Side: false
I am upfront about my opinions and seek out criticism because I ASSUME that contrasting perspectives can help me refine my own. That is so different from thinking "my religious sect is true and everyone else's is false" The metaphor of squirrels running around in my brain is cute. There is truth to it. It's a strength AND a weakness, an advantage and disadvantage. Can you understand how being able to freely let ones mind wander and consider things from many angles can be both an advantage and a handicap? Come on... Side: false
Jesus Christ is God, He is the truth, all religions are false. You reject the truth so you try to find in in all the lies of religions and philosophies, every learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. Yes I can understand allowing squirrels to lead your brain as you try to consider things from many angles. I was much like you in that, I read hundreds of books on all different subjects and often would spend many hours just thinking and trying to sort things out. It would have been a lot easier if I knew the truth and didn't have to go on an unending search for it. The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom, learning, and understanding. There is no wisdom, nor counsel, nor understating against the LORD. If you really want the truth and you seek it with your whole heart, you will find it. If you won't admit you deserve to die and do not deserve to be in God's Heaven but rather deserve whatever punishment He sees fit for you including eternal damnation in the fire of Hell, you will never find the truth because you will be avoiding admitting your guilt before God. Jesus promises rest to those who trust in Him. You don't have to be every learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. When you know the truth, you have a solid place to stand, a place you can rest on. Things from many angles that are not the truth are all lies leading to death. Jesus called it "the broad path", narrow is the path that leads to life Many take the broad path like you are doing, few find the narrow path......it's a straight line of truth. Side: true
Jesus Christ is God, He is the truth, all religions are false. You are on to something in saying that ALL religions are false. "All" includes the Christian religion too. The overly simplistic view that the teachings of a given religion (taken as a whole) are either true or false, ignores the obvious truth that some of the teachings are valuable, and others are garbage. And usually this has a lot to do with the disposition of the exposed individual to begin with. If someone's god tells them to treat their neighbor like shit, I hope they become atheist. If someone decides to be decent to their neighbors because their god commands it, I think their belief in God can be quite a positive thing. Even if God is only imaginary. You reject the truth so you try to find in in all the lies of religions and philosophies, every learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth I'm rejecting the suggestion that anybody has a monopoly on truth. It would have been a lot easier if I knew the truth and didn't have to go on an unending search for it. That a story stirs you inside does not make it the universal story to inspire everyone everywhere for all time. Deal with it The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom, learning, and understanding Fear of ...the powers that be.. does kick things off There is no wisdom, nor counsel, nor understating against the LORD The wiser and more clever folks have better things to do than opposing THE LORD, to be sure 😀 If you really want the truth and you seek it with your whole heart, you will find it. I do not envy those whose pursuit of truth is complete If you won't admit you deserve to die and do not deserve to be in God's Heaven but rather deserve whatever punishment He sees fit for you including eternal damnation in the fire of Hell, you will never find the truth because you will be avoiding admitting your guilt before God. Not everyone is that scared to admit where and how they feel they have been immoral. Jesus promises rest to those who trust in Him. You don't have to be every learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. When you know the truth, you have a solid place to stand, a place you can rest on. Do you seriously believe that you (along with the chosen few) have come to the knowledge of the most important truth of all time for everyone? few find the narrow path. Or maybe you think most of us see the path all along and choose to burn in hell..which is it? Side: true
Jesus Christ is not a religion, He is God. He is alive, He is real, and you can know Him personally. This is what is different about knowing God through Jesus Christ, Jesus is God revealing Himself to us, all religions are man trying to find or reach God. You are practicing a religion trying to find meaning or truth in all kinds of ideas. You can know the truth, and the truth with set you free so you wont' have to chase around wild rabbit trails of many vain, futile, philosophies and religions. Teachings which contain lies are misleading and not valuable at all. They lead to death, they have no life in them, they are teachings of the dead. People who are dead follow the teachings of the dead. The things you think are good and valuable in those teachings only pacify you on your way to finality of death. Pacifiers are not liberating, they are bandages that cover festering wounds. You are resisting the truth because your disposition is to defend yourself, to justify yourself, hiding from the truth while you bolster your pride worshipping your own power of reasoning due to the pleasure you have in your own efforts. Now you resort to profanities. I have treated you well, you have treated me with nothing but insults demanding I consider all of your ideas valid when they are all based on lies. I'm not calling you dishonest, I'm only saying you do not see the truth so you do not realize that the lies in your concepts invalidate them from being valuable. God has a monopoly on the Truth. I do not. I know the truth, Jesus Christ is the truth. My weaknesses cause me to make mistakes, do wrong sometimes, thing wrong, feel wrong.....but I know the one who is always right, always true, and never changes...He is God, the Lord God almighty, Creator of all things, revealed to us in the form of a man as Jesus Christ the Son of God sent by the Father who paid our price with His own blood to save us from Hell. Now He is risen from the dead and will not again be humbled in human for to die, but He reigns with all power in Heaven and Earth given to Him from God the Father and He will return bodily in person and you will see Him. Deal with this. You don't want to believe the truth, you do not want to admit you have sinned against God and are fit only for condemnation in death, so you will not reject lies and you will have the death that is on you like quicksand as you try to pull yourself up in vain. You have to face God, and if you don't fear God you are a fool. He will hold you in Judgement for every word you have spoken in secret, every imagination, everything you have ever done in your ungodly way, all will be brought into the light and nothing hid. Here you can hide behind your show of strength and intelligence. You can't hide anything in the Judgement, and your day is coming to be judged, and Jesus is the Judge who paid the price for your life and owns the right to over rule you if you will not concede to His ownership. You'll be left in the Lake of Fire forever owned in death by the one whose love you rejected in life. You are doing nothing but elevating yourself in opposition to the LORD and you will fall and be cast down if you insist on going your own way. To be sure. Deal with it. Kick things off with God and see who wins what you seem to think is a game. My pursuit of truth will be complete when I see Jesus face to face and am forever changed to be like Him in His glory for the honor of His name who made me and gave His life for me to redeem me from sin, death, and Hell. I'll shine like the stars in Heaven, and I'll enjoy all of the blessings of God the Father in His Kingdom, streets of gold and a river of living water where the tree of life gives it's fruits forever. Knowing the truth frees me from pursuing knowledge in religions and philosophies based on man's ideas of how to live or how to grow or how to get to heaven. I do not want you to envy me. You need to see for yourself that you are dying and only God can save you. What do you think you are accomplishing in your philosophies other than death? What are you getting other than death? Why do you want to keep chasing it? Is it worth it? So you are not scared to admit you have been immoral. Now you need to recognize that your immoralities are offensive to God and you deserve to be cast away from Him forever in Hell......but you won't go that far, will you? You are forgiving yourself, aren't you? You deny God has the right to punish you, don't you? You are being a fool, professing yourself to be wise. I KNOW I have come to the knowledge of the Truth and HE, Jesus, is the most important person everybody needs to know, He is God. You will see Him as your Judge or as your Savior. Wow, pretty spot on in your last two statements. Yes, being saved by the Savior Jesus Christ is the most important need of all time for all people who are dying, and that is all who are not saved like you, and me who is dying physically be am saved by the Savior and know the promise of God for eternal life which He has given me....and yes, people who end up burning in Hell forever get there because they asked for it in rejecting the Truth whereby they could have been saved. You're right, they see the path but they block it out in preference of their own way, loving their sin more than life and not realizing the penalty is more than they really wanted until it's too late. You are being Side: false
And you are trying to convince me (a guy you think of as evil Satan spawn) of all this out of the love of God overflowing from your heart, and not just a different style of the same kind of vanity you accuse me of? I don't find the same stories inspiring that you do. Nothing more serious than a difference in taste of poetry. That you have ceased your pursuit of " the truth" because you fancy yourself as having already found it is probably your biggest impediment. I have to give you credit for easing up on the insults though...good job! Side: true
Ok, but you are the one who is not being honest when you say Christianity is a cult based on syncretism. If you want to be true to your claim of investigating various teachings, you need to investigate the veracity of people who claim the Bible and Christianity are compiled from concepts borrowed from heathen/pagan religions. What I'm accusing you of is pride, and we all have it but you are full of it. God will strike you down in your pride without mercy if you will not seek Him for mercy in that He poured His contempt of your pride on His own Son who paid your price in death so He can be your Savior risen from the dead and give you eternal life. Only your pride will keep you in death, your sin will take you to Hell by your own choice as you pretty well stated already. I know I deserve to die and burn in Hell forever for my sins. I'm forgiven, and saying I am humbled by what God did for me to save me from Hell probably just sets those squirrels running in your head as you will seek to justify yourself. My life is justified by the One who paid my price, bought my life with His blood, and secured my pardon in His resurrection. Here's how God's love works for those who will not seek His mercy, will not believe on His Son.........He'll give you what you really want, reality with no Savior, nobody for you to be humbled by, and He gives you that because you want it and He loves you. The only place where you can really have that reality is in the fire of Hell. I tried to warn you, tried to talk you out of it. Go see how big of an impediment death is, and see if you can get yourself out of it. I hope you realize you are making a mistake, but you seem bound and determined to go your own way, so you are free to go. Love and freedom are two sides of the same coin. Have it your way. Side: false
Any issue put before me, I always do a web search to see what the "debunkers" are saying. You need to do that with those who have told you that Christianity and the Bible are based on heathen and pagan myths of peoples in the area where the Bible was written. Until you understand how easily those things are debunked by facts which are easily documented, you are not being honest and to somebody who has done the research to check the claims you believe are "HONEST", you make yourself look like an idiot. If I cared nothing about you I would have ignored you. It seems you want to be left alone, so I'll leave you alone. Side: false
Either one is true or they are all lies. All of the religions and philosophies you are exploring are about what you do or are supposed to do. Jesus Christ is about what God did for us. There is a difference. Jesus Christ is God, He is real, He is not a religion. Christianity is not Catholicism or all the sects calling themselves Christian, Christianity is living in the Kingdom of Heaven under ownership of Jesus Christ, bought and paid for by His sinless blood and secured for eternity in His resurrection. God Himself, Jesus Christ, died for us to save us from Hell. This is reality, not religion and not vain philosophy like you have been chasing squirrels with. Side: true
Truth is not of a nature where you have this great revelation and you're guaranteed a dandy future (or what some call heaven) If you know one or more of the most important truths then you must know that it's of the utmost importance to remain vigilant concerning what you may understand incorrectly Side: true
I'm saying you are, a sinner, who deserves to die and burn in Hell the same as me and everybody else. I'm saying God is love, and He loves you the same as He loves me. I'm saying God is merciful or we would both be burning in Hell. I'm saying God Himself became a man and paid our price in death, paid for our sins with His sinless blood, and rose from the dead to be the Savior of all who believe on Him. I'm saying God has the right to leave us in Hell if we do not care what He did for us to save us from Hell, when The Father gave His only begotten Son so that whosoever believes on Him should not perish, but have eternal life. I'm saying that if you will believe on Jesus in His bodily resurrection, and ask the dear Heavenly Father in the name of the Son of God who died for us that He be your Savior and you accept Him as He is, God your King, your Creator, your Master, your Savior...because He is all of those things and more.....you will be saved and have eternal life. The guy I called retarded is very intelligent, but being a jerk acting like he is not capable of understanding what I'm saying. He's acting like he has a mental block, retarded is fitting for that guy, and foul mouth punk is fitting for you. I don't know what your problem is, but hating me will not make your own sins go away, you have to answer to God for your sins and not for mine. My sins have been paid for, the blood of the Savior has me covered, I am forgiven. You can nitpick and find fault with me all day long. I do not need your forgiveness, I do not need your understanding, I do not need your approval. Read the gospels, all four of them, and you can see how Jesus boldly called people names according to their sins, never being nice to people who.....LIKE YOU......are unrepentant. Side: false
So this is how you try to "Spread your faith" ?! It's a good thing I have Christians friends who set an admirable example of Christianity. I hope your concept of God serves you well. Then I hope you outgrow it. I have lost interest in engaging with you further. If I ever need to reconsider any of your arguments again I will pick up one of those tracts at the laundromat. Side: true
You are a rock head. If you don't care what God did for you when He died for you on the cross, you think it's not good enough for you, you spit in His face, well I guess you just want to die and go to Hell because that is what you are doing and I'm not going to waste time trying to talk you out of it. Side: false
The passage of saying to your brother, "thou fool" is speaking about brothers. You are not my brother, you are of your father the devil. That's why your idea of truth is twisted, or perverted. You have to be born of the Spirit of God to be my brother. You're a dead man walking and talking, on your way to Hell, dead in your sins, not my brother. If you say there is no God, you are a fool. Side: true
It's you who is acting like the holier than thou as if your vain philosophies make you special. You are being rude to me because I speak the truth which goes against your philosophies. You're avoiding the truth. That is what is sad......your running around trying to learn while avoiding the truth. The problem is that you are making yourself to be your own god, and your own intellect you take to be the leading of your god who is you.....and that's why you can't figure things out, because you are not perfect and you don't want the truth. You want to go your own way rather than the way God want you to go so you can have eternal life. Side: false
You have been rude and impolite to me from when I first saw you, implying that I am not honest if I do not agree with you that the Bible is God's Holy Word and not a syncretization (spell check) of religions and myths adopted by the Jews and Christians. It is you who is being arrogant, rude, impolite, everything you are trying to paint me as. My guess is that you are open minded to ALL ideas except the Bible....you'll want to desecrate the Bible as you already have, but all other ideas for you are valid no matter how they contradict each other and how the Bible contradicts them. Side: true
Everyone accepts their own root assumptions at face value. Some people accept things as being obvious when they are not. At the root of all intelligent philosophies lies a tautology. Some philosophies skip this however, and the fundamental premise is a statement to be accepted on faith rather than for its self-evident nature. Not all first principles are actually self-evident, some are just unexamined. Side: false
Some philosophies skip this however, and the fundamental premise is a statement to be accepted on faith rather than for its self-evident nature. Not all first principles are actually self-evident, some are just unexamined. Well there are certainly differing levels of certitude/faith, but I think for any proposition to be truly accepted, it must be truly understood. That position might be fun to defend.. Side: false
The term "accept" is troublesome here...To either agree or disagree with a statement without first knowing the meaning of the terms in it is an impossibility no? If you say you agree or disagree with a statement you don't understand, your statement is false isn't it? Side: false
Agreeing with the authority means agreeing with the statements of the authority. In this case, the truth of the statement is measured by trust in the source as apposed to the content of the statement. When reason is applied the truth of a statement is measured by its content. Many unreasonable people truly accept all kinds of things. They may never invoke reason on a given point, and their acceptance remains. Side: true
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