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Non-Veg to convert to Veg People's personal choice
Debate Score:81
Arguments:51
Total Votes:103
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Everyone should be vegeterians

I personally believe that eating Non-Veg is wrong and to kill an innocent animal which has been created by God is a horrible if not, a punishable sin. We merely eat animals to fill our desires- Not our stomachs. 

Non-Veg to convert to Veg

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People's personal choice

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2 points

I have read all your arguments and maybe you think my answers are not very reasonable but here you go-

1. Meat is awesome-

a: No, it is not. Meat is horrible, you are killing an innocent animal and cutting its throat. You are merely hurting another animal and filling your wishes and desires but I wish you are not as moronic as to believe that what you are doing is 'awesome'.

2. Meat gives us proteins

A: I have read this argument a MILLION times and its absolutely ridiculous. Are you really as stupid as to believe that fishes are the only organisms that give us proteins? Have you fools ever heard of the term 'Legumes' which are completely veg and give us huge amounts of proteins. Leave legumes, have you never eaten beans? Maybe you should stop thinking 'Proteins' are the answers to EVERY debate.

3. It tastes better

A: It must be, if you nincompoops are so lustful after it. But have you ever heard of mushrooms or soya chicken? It tastes just like meat but is actually veg.

And even if it was not there- why would you kill an organism because it tastes better, that is if you are humane? You do not realize how foolish you look.

4. Even humans die

A: Is that an answer? Well then, instead of killing animals- just kill humans. Even humans die but you don't barbecue them and eat them with spices, do you? If you can't cut your dog and eat it for dinner, if you can't cut your mother and serve her for lunch (someone said humans also die), then you are made to be a vegetarian. Some animals are bred to be eaten, so the entire "animal population will increase if they are not consumed" is wrong. Thinking that way, human population is the most on earth now, so why don't you kill them and eat?

5. Plants have life too...

A: You wanna go down that road? Sure, lets go! Even plants have life- true!

Maybe when we cut down their parts (which grow unlike animals) they might cry with pain. When we eat them, their screams might be unbearable. Notice the 'might''s? Exactly. Now look at this- when a butcher cuts an animals throat- it surely cries out loud. It surely feels pain when you cut its legs and grind it.

See the difference? You are basically going down an unproven science when the whole unfairness thing is done before you! It surely cries in pain but still you eat it. You are just using unreasonable topics to TRY to even out. Well, its getting you absolutely nowhere.

6. Butchers will lose their jobs

A: They ought to lose it, you know. They are more ruthless than you. Again, it convinces me that a Butcher is ready to get blood on his hands for money. It convinces me that you will never get any place for compassion and empathy in your hearts. But then again, you might never have heard of people selling vegetables or cutting vegetables.

7. Meat is more healthy.

A: Maybe meat gives more protein than vegetarian food but believe it has no less of side effects.

Has your selfish mind ever wondered where an animal roams before it is thrown into your stomach? Sewage and dirty water where they peck at tiny insects which are extremely dangerous. Then all this dirt goes into you. You don't deserve this but here's a warning- If you don't want your fat little toddler to die of some rare and dangerous disease- Stop him from gobbling on Non- Veg.

In case, you are afraid your surly teen might be the next victim of Tape worms- don't let them munch on all those turkeys and chickens. Do not risk yourself.

Let me give you more cases- Eating animals causes diabetes or much more- A heart attack! You live longer. You live stronger. You stay fit. You stay thin(ner). Your outer beauty is a reflection of your inner health, therefore you're more ATTRACTIVE. Our massive meat consumption is K-I-L-L-I-N-G us. Aside from that, animals are our equals. They deserve to live just as much as we do. 300 years ago, abolishing slavery in this country would have been unthinkable & a joke, to say the least. There is strong medical evidence that proves that the consumption of meat and animal products is UNHEALTHFUL and CANCER-CAUSING.

This is the least. It even has the effects of chronic degenerative diseases such as obesity, coronary artery disease, high blood pressure, diabetes and certain types of cancer including colon, breast, prostate, stomach, lung and esophageal cancer.

A pretty steep price to pay for proteins, don't you think?

8. My religion forces me to eat non-veg

A: Extremely and tremendously lame. As far as I know, religions teach us the meaning of love and compassion. They teach us to give and share the meaning of life. NOT to steal life and kill an innocent animal.

9. Wolves eat animals. Better us than them.

A: I am pretty sure you didn't read sixth grade biology. If you did you would know- wolves NEED to eat other animals. Unlike us, they do not have the tendency nor the type of teeth to eat greens. Another point, if we drain all animals then what will carnivores eat? They have no options other then to starve and die.

10. Just a note: You people are not all selfish. The only thing you lack is that you see everything from a human's point of view. Stuff you do only helps humans- Like cutting trees or converting forests. If you step into the shoes of someone else (an animal) you will see that Non-Vegetarian food does not need to be banned. It is something that you should resolve to do, without being being forced.

I agree that humans populate most of the earth but not necessarily is it true that you need to do everything FOR humans, right?

Side: Non-Veg to convert to Veg
2 points

In most civilised nations where the 'sharia method' and 'kosher method' aren't used, the animal is fully made unconscious via electric bolt gun before the slitting of the throat and bleeding out process so they feel nothing during that event.

Side: People's personal choice
WinstonC(1225) Disputed
2 points

"Have you fools ever heard of the term 'Legumes' which are completely veg and give us huge amounts of proteins."

There are a couple of vegetarian foods with a "complete" protein profile, however "balanced" protein profiles largely only exist in animal products. When a protein source is low in a particular essential amino acid, that amino acid acts as a nutritional bottleneck, meaning you might eat 60g of protein but effectively only get 20g. Also, muscular men need to eat far more protein than the ~60g average: more like ~150g.

Side: People's personal choice

A wonderful explanation to everything, ma'am! I really hope these people get why they aren't supposed to act like uncivilized murderers... But then again, then are foolish...

Side: Non-Veg to convert to Veg
marcusmoon(576) Disputed
-2 points
xMathFanx(1722) Disputed
1 point

@marcusmoon.

Maybe I will go get a cute, furry little bunny, and name it Floppy. Then I will bring it home, look deep into its eyes, bash it on the head with a hammer, skin it, disembowel it, and roast it with carrots and potatoes.

If you are at all serious with the way in which you phrased this then you are a dangerous lunatic. Now, it is one thing to say, "I went hunting and killed a rabbit for a meal out of necessity (or perceived necessity)" and something entirely different to state "I found a cute, innocent, helpless rabbit, brought it home, proudly killed it in a vicious manner (tortured it?), all for the hell of it".

Your argument/statement reminds of Peter, Ender's psychotic/abusive older brother in the novel Ender's Game where his hobbies include skinning squirrels for fun, ect.

Side: Non-Veg to convert to Veg
Curiouscat05(18) Disputed
1 point

I did not miss anything, dear person.

You think killing animals works out- The simple fact is it doesn't.

What don't you get? You are killing an organism just like you. It is basically you but unfortunately does not know English.

I wouldn't be taking so much time with lunatics like you if I didn't want to explain to you that what you are doing is wrong. I would like to assure you that I don't want to be a pain in ass but when it comes to people supporting things which are wrong- then I need to be strong.

I ask you a question.

1. Do you agree that an animal has a soul and feelings?

If you say NO- Then you are an IDIOT and are probably not capable of being in this debate.

If YES- When a person murders another person- he is locked up in jail and sometimes even hanged. Why is it that when the same person kills a small bunny named Floppy, he is left alone? Isn't Floppy an animal with feelings or are you dumb enough to think that it is a robot which doesn't feel anything?

BTW, Note 1: I seriously think you are a psychopath and that you should really visit a doctor.

Note 2: Just because you use good vocabulary doesn't mean that you can be unreasonable. Think on it.

Side: Non-Veg to convert to Veg
2 points

The way people mass produce meat is wrong, and disgusting. Moreover, eating meat can give you many diseases some of which are serious. Furthermore, you wouldn't slaughter humans and eat them, so why do it to animals like chickens? Watch this video, this is how they mass produce animals. (click the following link) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHhXpRq06Oo it is disgusting and vile. They grow CHICKS and throw them around, put them through machines, then grow them until they are adults. There they put them on racks and send them to the SLAUGHTER HOUSE. Once they arrive they hook their feet to a rack and put them through various machines until they slit their throats, and slowly cut them up. At one point they RIP not CUT, their heads off. Eating meat is WRONG, do not eat meat. WATCH THE VIDEO

Side: Non-Veg to convert to Veg

I saw this video and its so GROSS. I can't believe people can be so heartless as to eat a thing which survived before we cut off its neck.

You non-veg people are heartless and cruel. you only care about yourself.

Side: Non-Veg to convert to Veg
marcusmoon(576) Disputed
1 point

This is not the only way it happens.

Although this COULD be an argument in favor of farm/slaughterhouse reform, it is in no way support for the argument that it is bad to eat meat.

Side: People's personal choice
1 point

It's not just killing the animals, but you're making the animals go extinct in a very slow manner. You kill, consume them. many species go extinct. but where as plants, they naturally grow if their requirements are met. somehow, it fulfills the cycle, where as consuming animals does no good except to us, and we're nothing without them anyway.

Side: Non-Veg to convert to Veg
marcusmoon(576) Disputed
1 point

You kill, consume them. many species go extinct.

The reason biodiversity is beneficial is so the food chain is not disrupted when a species goes extinct. As an inadequate/unfit/maladapted species dies out, other species fill in their niches.

Side: People's personal choice
EldonG(530) Disputed
1 point

Hunting can also thin herds, which will over-breed, eat too much of the surrounding vegetation, and die, taking others with them when there isn't anything left. In fact, hunting is regulated so that nothing will go extinct due to it.

Side: People's personal choice
2 points

I was born human, and humans are natural omnivores. I'll go with nature on this one.

Side: People's personal choice
Curiouscat05(18) Clarified
1 point

Human, huh? Do you think killing animals makes you human? Just because you don't kill and feast on humans doesn't make you a human. I ask you a simple yet complex question.

You kill an animal, without knowing the pain you cause, the tears that get shed, all because of YOU. Don't you feel guilty?

Last question- What did the animal EVER do to you?

Side: Non-Veg to convert to Veg
EldonG(530) Disputed
2 points

LOL! Fuck no, I don't feel guilty, snowflake. Of course it doesn't make me human, I am human. Fucking carrots are living, too, you beast. Don't you feel and sympathy for another life? What did that vegetable ever do to you?

Life feeds on life. Can't handle it? Feed some other life.

Side: Non-Veg to convert to Veg
marcusmoon(576) Disputed
1 point

You kill an animal, without knowing the pain you cause, the tears that get shed, all because of YOU. Don't you feel guilty?

Have you ever killed an animal?

Do you have any idea what is involved in the process?

There sure as hell are not any tears when I do it right.

Neither is it accompanied nor followed by guilt. It is, however followed by deliciousness, nourishment, and real pleasure.

I am against any needless cruelty, poor living conditions, maiming, etc. that happens in some factory farms.

The living conditions should be clean, comfortable, and not confining.

Slaughter should be swift and as close to painless as is feasible.

After that, butcher them, cook them, eat them, and enjoy the meat gratefully.

Eating a cheeseburger, bacon, a roast turkey, a shark steak, a ribeye, these are some of the greatest joys in life.

The reason there cannot be peace in the Middle East is that none of those poor bastards eats bacon. As a result they feel a nagging emptiness that they try to fill with hot and arid land, vacuous and ridiculous religions, and brutal intolerance of differences with their fellow humans.

What they really need is bacon to bring fulfillment to their lives, joy to their hearts, and peace to their souls.

Side: Non-Veg to convert to Veg

Literally 97% of farm animals only got to live and exist due to high pressure breeding for farming's sake. So, these animals you think you are saving would all never have been born in natural settings.

Side: People's personal choice
Curiouscat05(18) Clarified
2 points

Isn't it better that they were never born than ensuring that they die in your own hands? Imagine yourself as an animal- unfamiliar to all languages of the Humans. Innocent yet light and happy. One day, someone comes and takes everything you care for- your children, your friends and you find out that they have been killed and eaten.

You are taken to the slaughterhouse with more of your species, all crying out in pain and unfamiliarity. You see everyone before you get chopped to death and then before you know- you are gone too.

The same animal's meat you are chewing. Smiling at the delightful taste, ignoring all pain YOU caused to the animal which did NOTHING TO YOU!

Side: Non-Veg to convert to Veg
2 points

Before you start defending less intelligent animals observe any nature documentary even the beautifully filmed "Blue Planet" shows the brutality of sea life and animals near water.

Non-human animals don't even flinch for a second before brutalising other animals so what exactly do we owe them in terms of mercy? I assure we did not dominate the world thanks to the mercy of other predators or prey, quite the opposite.

Side: People's personal choice
1 point

@Curiouscat05.

Isn't it better that they were never born than ensuring that they die in your own hands? Imagine yourself as an animal- unfamiliar to all languages of the Humans. Innocent yet light and happy. One day, someone comes and takes everything you care for- your children, your friends and you find out that they have been killed and eaten.

You are taken to the slaughterhouse with more of your species, all crying out in pain and unfamiliarity. You see everyone before you get chopped to death and then before you know- you are gone too.

Thank you Curiouscat05, good points. Welcome to CreateDebate.

Side: People's personal choice

It brings tears to my eyes. You are so correct. Animals shouldn't be put through that pain

Side: People's personal choice
marcusmoon(576) Clarified
0 points

Isn't it better that they were never born than ensuring that they die in your own hands?

Then because people are going to die, we should never have been born?

Side: Non-Veg to convert to Veg
2 points

Absolutely it should be personal choice. Humans are omnivores, if you choose to be strictly vegetarian that's fine but others prefer the taste of meat over the taste of lettuce.

Side: People's personal choice
rarebeauty44(10) Disputed
1 point

But don't you think that this is affecting the pain of animals?

Side: Non-Veg to convert to Veg
Mint_tea(4641) Disputed
2 points

Do you think the Tiger, Lion, Bear (omnivore) and any other apex predator is too concerned about it? Most kill quickly, that is how they survive.

To be truthful I do hope the meat I get is from a place that is as gentle as possible in their slaughter, but eating meat is my personal preference. I love a good salad as much as the next and respect those who choose to go full vegan but that is just not me.

Side: People's personal choice
1 point

You are very much mistaking. Human cannot be healthy on plant based diet, at least not as a lifetime, you need some animal product. You are focus only on the ethicals, do you even think for one millisecond about the health consequence? Vegan and vegetable people always on and on about the ethics but can never tell me when I ask them how to get certain nutrient on a plant diet, youy are so goo goo gah gah waaaaaaah the poor animals but almost every animal lives off of some other animals!

Tell me how it is to get the vitamin K-2 or the F vitamins with only plant based eating? Tell me if plant is so nutritious why are they loading with anti nutrient and cause oxidation stress to the DNA? They chop more trees to male the grains than to make animal agriculture, and the factory farming is destroy the environment because of the methodological application of the systematic processees, not for the thing in itself, if we have an agrarian society again and use the nature wisely it would not be so bad. Especially if we are going back to living close with nature and hunter gatherer, then we would sustainably with the animals, human are a predator, human must eats the meat.

Side: People's personal choice
rarebeauty44(10) Disputed
1 point

Look lad or lass... Farmers have a lot to do without guys like u interrupting us and disturbing us! There are somethings which should NOT be eaten. Animals is one of them

Side: Non-Veg to convert to Veg
Curiouscat05(18) Clarified
0 points

You did not even think for a 'millisecond' before declaring me as an enemy, did you? I would tell you to clarify all your doubts which I have cleared right on the left but since you are SUCH a douche bag, let me tell you directly.

Surprisingly, I did think for a millisecond about health consequences and I like to be ethical and decent (unlike you). I am sorry you thought I was 'so goo goo gah gah waaaaaaah' but I doubt an imbecile like YOU would understand WHAT I was trying to say.

Yes, every animal eats off some other animal BUT maybe your moronic brains needs some time to comprehend the fact that some animals NEED to eat Non-Veg food to remain alive. Humans, are however NOT involved.

Maybe you thought I wouldn't know what K2 and F meant. I do, however. I said that we weren't supposed to KILL animals, I didn't say we were not supposed to eat animal products such as milk and cheese or butter. It is basically the same thing as taking something from a plant.

K2 is found in cheese and butter which is available WITHOUT murdering animals.

raw nuts, seeds, legumes, grape seed oil and flaxseed oil contain F vitamin.

Guess poor little nincompoop didn't check all of these?

Chopping of trees is wrong, I agree but certainly not BADDER than killing a being. Anti nutrient and oxidation stress are just mere side effects but didn't you know that Heart attack, diabetes, cancer all come equipped with non-veg food?

Did you know that most of farms prepare food meant for slaughterhouse animals?

This means that most of land is wasted away for these animals which are going to be killed shortly. If all these farms made human consumable food then undoubtedly, there would be delicious greens for the entire world!

Human was a predator but you might have notice that he no longer contains those long canines. These are clear signs of nature to us for staying AWAY from animals.

Those days human beings didn't know anything about agriculture, so they killed animals. Honestly, now you look foolish and cruel and vile.

Side: Non-Veg to convert to Veg
Sv3rige(170) Disputed
2 points

let me tell you directly

If you actually did tell "directly" to my face you would pee your pants and run away afterwards.

I like to be ethical and decent (unlike you).

I believe the natural circle of life and the food chain is ethical as it keep natyre in valance. Now go back into your shell you littlle hermit crab.

some animals NEED to eat Non-Veg food to remain alive. Humans, are however NOT involved.

Ah but there lies where you are mistaking, most human DO need meat and only some can adapted to be healthy as vegan.

I said that we weren't supposed to KILL animals, I didn't say we were not supposed to eat animal products such as milk and cheese or butter

If you refuse to kill then something would kill you in nature, only pussy human society lets you think so weak and stupidly. If you are vegetarian that's better than vegan but thats not optimal at all even so.

aw nuts, seeds, legumes, grape seed oil and flaxseed oil contain F vitamin

Just like I told the "factmachine" guy, these are incomplete source and have a ratio of fatty acid which is backwards to what human need. Plus who wants to eat loaded with antinutrient and phytic acid when you can just eat the fishy?

.poor little nincompoop

I have money more than you i bet. And I am 6'1 and mave muscles. ANd I don't poop on any nincom whatever that is.

BADDER

Thes is not a word, even I know this and I am not very english.

Anti nutrient and oxidation stress are just mere side effects

In my experience most vegan and vegatan are much better at this than you, they talk about anti-oxidant and know the difference between side effect and an organic molecule which is present in grain legume and vegetable.

Heart attack, diabetes, cancer all come equipped with non-veg food?

You have ben lied too. SUGAR causes these, not saturate fat or cholesterol. The ancient egyptians where the first to have wide spread heart disease and diabetes and they had a GRAIN BASED AGRICULTURE AKA CARB AKA SUGAR. Ketones fight cancer and carbs can be fuel for cancer, you must thinik please for oncebefore you die.

you look foolish and cruel and vile.

Not compare to your precious vegan supporting monsantos.

Side: Non-Veg to convert to Veg
1 point

its personal choice, can only vegetarian feed the stomach of the whole population? people assume that we should feel pity to kill animals or life forms, okay that's right in one sense but what about millions and millions of people killing and murdering going on. how could you say that an animal is important than a human, are not you human. My opinion is that we must first stop killing people , and after that vegetarian.

Side: People's personal choice