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Everyone should be vegeterians
I personally believe that eating Non-Veg is wrong and to kill an innocent animal which has been created by God is a horrible if not, a punishable sin. We merely eat animals to fill our desires- Not our stomachs.
I have read all your arguments and maybe you think my answers are not very reasonable but here you go-
1. Meat is awesome-
a: No, it is not. Meat is horrible, you are killing an innocent animal and cutting its throat. You are merely hurting another animal and filling your wishes and desires but I wish you are not as moronic as to believe that what you are doing is 'awesome'.
2. Meat gives us proteins
A: I have read this argument a MILLION times and its absolutely ridiculous. Are you really as stupid as to believe that fishes are the only organisms that give us proteins? Have you fools ever heard of the term 'Legumes' which are completely veg and give us huge amounts of proteins. Leave legumes, have you never eaten beans? Maybe you should stop thinking 'Proteins' are the answers to EVERY debate.
3. It tastes better
A: It must be, if you nincompoops are so lustful after it. But have you ever heard of mushrooms or soya chicken? It tastes just like meat but is actually veg.
And even if it was not there- why would you kill an organism because it tastes better, that is if you are humane? You do not realize how foolish you look.
4. Even humans die
A: Is that an answer? Well then, instead of killing animals- just kill humans. Even humans die but you don't barbecue them and eat them with spices, do you? If you can't cut your dog and eat it for dinner, if you can't cut your mother and serve her for lunch (someone said humans also die), then you are made to be a vegetarian. Some animals are bred to be eaten, so the entire "animal population will increase if they are not consumed" is wrong. Thinking that way, human population is the most on earth now, so why don't you kill them and eat?
5. Plants have life too...
A: You wanna go down that road? Sure, lets go! Even plants have life- true!
Maybe when we cut down their parts (which grow unlike animals) they might cry with pain. When we eat them, their screams might be unbearable. Notice the 'might''s? Exactly. Now look at this- when a butcher cuts an animals throat- it surely cries out loud. It surely feels pain when you cut its legs and grind it.
See the difference? You are basically going down an unproven science when the whole unfairness thing is done before you! It surely cries in pain but still you eat it. You are just using unreasonable topics to TRY to even out. Well, its getting you absolutely nowhere.
6. Butchers will lose their jobs
A: They ought to lose it, you know. They are more ruthless than you. Again, it convinces me that a Butcher is ready to get blood on his hands for money. It convinces me that you will never get any place for compassion and empathy in your hearts. But then again, you might never have heard of people selling vegetables or cutting vegetables.
7. Meat is more healthy.
A: Maybe meat gives more protein than vegetarian food but believe it has no less of side effects.
Has your selfish mind ever wondered where an animal roams before it is thrown into your stomach? Sewage and dirty water where they peck at tiny insects which are extremely dangerous. Then all this dirt goes into you. You don't deserve this but here's a warning- If you don't want your fat little toddler to die of some rare and dangerous disease- Stop him from gobbling on Non- Veg.
In case, you are afraid your surly teen might be the next victim of Tape worms- don't let them munch on all those turkeys and chickens. Do not risk yourself.
Let me give you more cases- Eating animals causes diabetes or much more- A heart attack! You live longer. You live stronger. You stay fit. You stay thin(ner). Your outer beauty is a reflection of your inner health, therefore you're more ATTRACTIVE. Our massive meat consumption is K-I-L-L-I-N-G us. Aside from that, animals are our equals. They deserve to live just as much as we do. 300 years ago, abolishing slavery in this country would have been unthinkable & a joke, to say the least. There is strong medical evidence that proves that the consumption of meat and animal products is UNHEALTHFUL and CANCER-CAUSING.
This is the least. It even has the effects of chronic degenerative diseases such as obesity, coronary artery disease, high blood pressure, diabetes and certain types of cancer including colon, breast, prostate, stomach, lung and esophageal cancer.
A pretty steep price to pay for proteins, don't you think?
8. My religion forces me to eat non-veg
A: Extremely and tremendously lame. As far as I know, religions teach us the meaning of love and compassion. They teach us to give and share the meaning of life. NOT to steal life and kill an innocent animal.
9. Wolves eat animals. Better us than them.
A: I am pretty sure you didn't read sixth grade biology. If you did you would know- wolves NEED to eat other animals. Unlike us, they do not have the tendency nor the type of teeth to eat greens. Another point, if we drain all animals then what will carnivores eat? They have no options other then to starve and die.
10. Just a note: You people are not all selfish. The only thing you lack is that you see everything from a human's point of view. Stuff you do only helps humans- Like cutting trees or converting forests. If you step into the shoes of someone else (an animal) you will see that Non-Vegetarian food does not need to be banned. It is something that you should resolve to do, without being being forced.
I agree that humans populate most of the earth but not necessarily is it true that you need to do everything FOR humans, right?
In most civilised nations where the 'sharia method' and 'kosher method' aren't used, the animal is fully made unconscious via electric bolt gun before the slitting of the throat and bleeding out process so they feel nothing during that event.
"Have you fools ever heard of the term 'Legumes' which are completely veg and give us huge amounts of proteins."
There are a couple of vegetarian foods with a "complete" protein profile, however "balanced" protein profiles largely only exist in animal products. When a protein source is low in a particular essential amino acid, that amino acid acts as a nutritional bottleneck, meaning you might eat 60g of protein but effectively only get 20g. Also, muscular men need to eat far more protein than the ~60g average: more like ~150g.
A wonderful explanation to everything, ma'am! I really hope these people get why they aren't supposed to act like uncivilized murderers... But then again, then are foolish...
I cannot believe you missed the most important argument in favor of eating meat.
It bothers tiresome, self-righteous scolds.
Your tirade is one of the best ways to dissuade people from going vegetarian. The attitude you display from the beginning indicates that you have no real interest in actually persuading people to become vegetarians.
No, you just attacked meat eaters, accused them of stupidity, cruelty, and selfishness, and then dismissed their values, tastes, preferences, and experiences, out of hand.
Maybe I will go get a cute, furry little bunny, and name it Floppy. Then I will bring it home, look deep into its eyes, bash it on the head with a hammer, skin it, disembowel it, and roast it with carrots and potatoes.
I won't do it just because Floppy will taste delicious.
I will also do it so that you know that being a self-righteous pain is a thoroughly ineffective method of persuasion.
Maybe I will go get a cute, furry little bunny, and name it Floppy. Then I will bring it home, look deep into its eyes, bash it on the head with a hammer, skin it, disembowel it, and roast it with carrots and potatoes.
If you are at all serious with the way in which you phrased this then you are a dangerous lunatic. Now, it is one thing to say, "I went hunting and killed a rabbit for a meal out of necessity (or perceived necessity)" and something entirely different to state "I found a cute, innocent, helpless rabbit, brought it home, proudly killed it in a vicious manner (tortured it?), all for the hell of it".
Your argument/statement reminds of Peter, Ender's psychotic/abusive older brother in the novel Ender's Game where his hobbies include skinning squirrels for fun, ect.
I agree with you so I 'support' but I want to just point out that while you are right, so is he... The bashing on the head before the rest of it is not what a truly sadistic psychopath would do but a more reasonable sociopath may do to their pet once they get bored of it. The bashing cuts the brain and the rabbit can no longer feel pain.
The bashing does not "cut the brain", but rather kills the animal as close to immediately as possible. Rabbit skulls are pretty thin, and their brains are not much bigger than the head of a framing hammer.
There is nothing sociopathic about it; it is as painless and surprising a way to go as I have ever seen or heard of.
If your argument was simply along the lines, "I went hunting and killed a rabbit for a meal out of necessity (or perceived necessity)", then I would not be arguing with you now. However, what you argued for goes quite a distance beyond this and you know it.
If your argument was simply along the lines, "I went hunting and killed a rabbit for a meal out of necessity (or perceived necessity)", then I would not be arguing with you now. However, what you argued for goes quite a distance beyond this and you know it.
All I did was to include an extra level of details in the process. Most of the details were for humorous effect, like calling it a bunny, naming it Floppy, and looking it in the eyes.
Self-righteous people are fun to joke with because so few of them appreciate how exaggerated their responses are, nor do many have enough sense of humor to see when they are being baited by playing to their inflated sense of self-importance and emotional impact. This is a case in point.
My main point was that CuriosityCat05's tone was so obnoxious, hostile, and combative that it would never persuade, but rather have the opposite effect.
While I think the moralism of these sorts of self-righteous vegetarians is foolish and blind, I also think there is no excuse for meat eaters to do so blindly. Everybody who eats meat should, at least once in life, look the animal in the eyes before killing it by their own hands. They should then skin it and dress it out themselves. People should be conscious of what they are doing when they eat meat, know from personal experience that it does not just appear in a package in a store.
People who are unwilling to do this even once should be vegetarians. If when you are the one swinging the hammer, you think the cost is to high or that it is too unhappy, then that is a real and unadulterated response that should shape your decisions going forward.
I have actually killed a rabbit in the way described, then skinned and cleaned it. Meat is good to eat. Moreover, I think that it is a righteous thing for people to eat meat. We should appreciate that there is a real cost involved, and we should be appropriately grateful.
You think killing animals works out- The simple fact is it doesn't.
What don't you get? You are killing an organism just like you. It is basically you but unfortunately does not know English.
I wouldn't be taking so much time with lunatics like you if I didn't want to explain to you that what you are doing is wrong. I would like to assure you that I don't want to be a pain in ass but when it comes to people supporting things which are wrong- then I need to be strong.
I ask you a question.
1. Do you agree that an animal has a soul and feelings?
If you say NO- Then you are an IDIOT and are probably not capable of being in this debate.
If YES- When a person murders another person- he is locked up in jail and sometimes even hanged. Why is it that when the same person kills a small bunny named Floppy, he is left alone? Isn't Floppy an animal with feelings or are you dumb enough to think that it is a robot which doesn't feel anything?
BTW, Note 1: I seriously think you are a psychopath and that you should really visit a doctor.
Note 2: Just because you use good vocabulary doesn't mean that you can be unreasonable. Think on it.
Show me a soul. Give me scientific evidence of its existence. You know, incidentally, if you weren't so fond of ad hominem, you wouldn't catch so much yourself, vegetable MURDERER.
Regarding your question: Do you agree that an animal has a soul and feelings?
Feelings
I am going to assume you mean only fish, amphibians, reptiles, birds, marsupials, and mammals, but not insects, mollusks, arachnids, and other non-neurologically evolved animalia.
Clearly they have physical sensations, including physical pain.
Regarding emotions, that depends on the complexity of the animal's brain. Birds are a tough one to determine. Based on brain complexity, I would say a definitive no for fish, amphibians, and reptiles, and a definitive yes for marsupials and mammals.
Soul
All I have for you here are questions.
- 1 - What do you mean by a soul?
- 2 - What empirical evidence do you have that demonstrates that the soul (as you define it) exists in anything?
- 3 - What empirical evidence do you have that demonstrates that Floppy would have had one had he not been metaphorical?
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Regarding your question:When a person murders another person- he is locked up in jail and sometimes even hanged. Why is it that when the same person kills a small bunny named Floppy, he is left alone?
Short Answer
The short answer is that morality is just a cultural tool societies develop to keep from disintegrating. Society will not disintegrate as a result of killing Floppy, but it will disintegrate if killing other humans is permitted or becomes commonplace.
Long Answer
The long answer assumes everything in the short answer, but shows goes into more detail.
Morality and Survival
-1 - Intra-species killing:
The reason there is a societal prohibition on killing one's own species but not other species has to do with a behavioral block/trigger in the middle brain. While not universal, and not insurmountable by behavioral conditioning, this behavioral block discourages species from going extinct as a result of killing each other.
We see this behavioral tropism in most higher animals, including some fish and reptiles. For a very readable discussion of this in humans, I recommend On Killing: The Psychological Cost of Learning to Kill in War and Society by Dave Grossman
- 2 - Inter-species killing:
The reason there is no societal prohibition on killing other species, and there is even a societal encouragement to do so is that having a broader food base has critical advantages for survival. Simply put, the more things you can eat, and the more things you are willing to eat, the more likely you are to intake sufficient nutrition to survive, and even thrive.
It was only in late 20th century industrialized societies that we learned enough about amino acids, vitamins, minerals, and metabolism, and developed food technology sufficient to support more than quasi-healthy lifelong vegetarianism for those who can afford it.
Morality and Logical Inconsistency
At the biological level, food and death are different names for the exact same thing. Your moralistic judgments ascribe blame for application of this to animals; it is foundational to your argument.
- 1 - Your moral concept:
Part of your problem is that you ascribe your personal moral code to all people, without any evidence that it is universal. You have yet to support your argument that an action that causes another animal to feel pain and fear is an intrinsically morally wrong action. Your own personal distaste, disapproval, and feelings of horror do not constitute a basis for universal applicability.
- 2 - Inconsistent logic in moral applicability:
In addition to that, your emotion-based moral code, which is not in evidence ANYWHERE in nature, does not account for why there would be any difference between the food/death dichotomy as it applies to the moral life of non-human omnivores as opposed to human omnivores. The proposition that a person killing an animal is on an equal moral plane with killing another person is predicated on humans and animals having rights that are of morally equivalent value. To be consistent, humans and animals would have responsibilities that are also morally equivalent.
This means that humans have the same moral responsibilities as any other omnivore with respect to killing outside their species. If it is morally acceptable for omnivores like grizzly bears and wolves to kill and eat meat, then it is morally acceptable for humans to do so as well.
Actually I think you did. You missed the entire point of my post.
I wrote that a reason to eat meat was to bother people like you whose self-righteousness is more the point than the goal of persuasion. Everything you have posted on this thread has been self-righteous, judgmental, unfriendly, rude, or all four.
If you want to persuade people, you need to use a tactic that does not include venting your indignation and contempt for those who disagree with you.
You could not possibly have come up with a less persuasive way to put forth your argument. The post to which I initially responded was little more than a topically organized rant that used argument merely as a literary conceit.
Given the tone of what you wrote, and given that you dismissed those who disagree with you not only as stupid, but also as morally corrupt, what possible response could you reasonably expect other than to be mocked?
The way people mass produce meat is wrong, and disgusting. Moreover, eating meat can give you many diseases some of which are serious. Furthermore, you wouldn't slaughter humans and eat them, so why do it to animals like chickens? Watch this video, this is how they mass produce animals. (click the following link) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHhXpRq06Oo it is disgusting and vile. They grow CHICKS and throw them around, put them through machines, then grow them until they are adults. There they put them on racks and send them to the SLAUGHTER HOUSE. Once they arrive they hook their feet to a rack and put them through various machines until they slit their throats, and slowly cut them up. At one point they RIP not CUT, their heads off. Eating meat is WRONG, do not eat meat. WATCH THE VIDEO
It's not just killing the animals, but you're making the animals go extinct in a very slow manner. You kill, consume them. many species go extinct. but where as plants, they naturally grow if their requirements are met. somehow, it fulfills the cycle, where as consuming animals does no good except to us, and we're nothing without them anyway.
The reason biodiversity is beneficial is so the food chain is not disrupted when a species goes extinct. As an inadequate/unfit/maladapted species dies out, other species fill in their niches.
Hunting can also thin herds, which will over-breed, eat too much of the surrounding vegetation, and die, taking others with them when there isn't anything left. In fact, hunting is regulated so that nothing will go extinct due to it.
Human, huh? Do you think killing animals makes you human? Just because you don't kill and feast on humans doesn't make you a human. I ask you a simple yet complex question.
You kill an animal, without knowing the pain you cause, the tears that get shed, all because of YOU. Don't you feel guilty?
Last question- What did the animal EVER do to you?
LOL! Fuck no, I don't feel guilty, snowflake. Of course it doesn't make me human, I am human. Fucking carrots are living, too, you beast. Don't you feel and sympathy for another life? What did that vegetable ever do to you?
Life feeds on life. Can't handle it? Feed some other life.
You kill an animal, without knowing the pain you cause, the tears that get shed, all because of YOU. Don't you feel guilty?
Have you ever killed an animal?
Do you have any idea what is involved in the process?
There sure as hell are not any tears when I do it right.
Neither is it accompanied nor followed by guilt. It is, however followed by deliciousness, nourishment, and real pleasure.
I am against any needless cruelty, poor living conditions, maiming, etc. that happens in some factory farms.
The living conditions should be clean, comfortable, and not confining.
Slaughter should be swift and as close to painless as is feasible.
After that, butcher them, cook them, eat them, and enjoy the meat gratefully.
Eating a cheeseburger, bacon, a roast turkey, a shark steak, a ribeye, these are some of the greatest joys in life.
The reason there cannot be peace in the Middle East is that none of those poor bastards eats bacon. As a result they feel a nagging emptiness that they try to fill with hot and arid land, vacuous and ridiculous religions, and brutal intolerance of differences with their fellow humans.
What they really need is bacon to bring fulfillment to their lives, joy to their hearts, and peace to their souls.
You stupid piece of shit. People or rather animals like you will never be humane- thats why u don't cry otherwise you should be rotting in ur grave- you heartless peice of filth! When you said 'It is, however followed by deliciousness, nourishment, and real pleasure' i realised that u should be subjected with that pain.
You should be killed and I do hope you are killed in the same way. People like you will ever understand the meaning of life and death.
Maybe 1 day u will see the pain ur causing and u'll stop it. Bacon doesn't create fulfillment- being happy and not being a murderer does
This is obviously written by someone who does not eat enough bacon.
Bacon is also an important nutritional component to the ability to develop a sense of humor, or use the faculties that enable one to recognize absurdity used for humorous intent.
You should be killed and I do hope you are killed in the same way. People like you will ever understand the meaning of life and death.
This is another statement that indicates you have insufficient bacon in your diet.
Interestingly, it includes the same logic radical Islamic terrorists use to justify their behavior: You don't agree with me, therefore you must die.
I was kidding about the lack of bacon consumption causing the violence in the Middle East. Your statement indicates I may have been unintentionally correct.
If you do not respect your own ideas enough to use whole words and standard spelling to express them, why would other people respect your ideas?
Maybe you did not eat enough bacon.
You know, bacon gives lazy people the gumption to write "you are", "you", "you will", and even to capitalize the word "I".
You were correct when you wrote People like you will ever understand the meaning of life and death.
Yes we understand it, ever and always. That has to do with the understanding of how death and life connect. A result of killing animals and eating their meat is the conscious understanding that it was once a living, breathing, feeling animal, and the sure knowledge that others pay for our survival as much as we pay for it. It instills a sense of gratitude, and a perspective that you seem to lack.
Food and death are one thing, and the attempt to escape that reality is futile. However you live, whatever you eat, other animals and other people pay for it, too. Do you really think that no animals like ground nesting birds or field mice are killed when they harvest corn or till up the lettuce fields? Knowing this is just another happy benefit of eating bacon.
Drop the holier-than-thou act, and accept that you are just as "selfish", just as inhumane, just as much of a "heartless piece of filth" as anybody else in the world. You just dress yours up in self-righteous and judgmental hypocrisy.
Literally 97% of farm animals only got to live and exist due to high pressure breeding for farming's sake. So, these animals you think you are saving would all never have been born in natural settings.
Isn't it better that they were never born than ensuring that they die in your own hands? Imagine yourself as an animal- unfamiliar to all languages of the Humans. Innocent yet light and happy. One day, someone comes and takes everything you care for- your children, your friends and you find out that they have been killed and eaten.
You are taken to the slaughterhouse with more of your species, all crying out in pain and unfamiliarity. You see everyone before you get chopped to death and then before you know- you are gone too.
The same animal's meat you are chewing. Smiling at the delightful taste, ignoring all pain YOU caused to the animal which did NOTHING TO YOU!
Before you start defending less intelligent animals observe any nature documentary even the beautifully filmed "Blue Planet" shows the brutality of sea life and animals near water.
Non-human animals don't even flinch for a second before brutalising other animals so what exactly do we owe them in terms of mercy? I assure we did not dominate the world thanks to the mercy of other predators or prey, quite the opposite.
I am sure you know that humans are more merciful and intelligent than other animals. If you see it this way, I am simply telling you that the minor organisms which have never done anything to you do not deserve this fate.
And I agree with you about the human domination thing. When you don't kill your dog and eat it, how is a chicken different?
Let's say I have a pet dog, that dog serves me emotionally and also motivates me to earn enough money to feed it and go for a walk everyday. This is how the dog serves me, not with its flesh.
If you are asking me if I'd be against dog-farming I again would say yes I am because dogs are so useful to us in other ways that farming them for flesh is truly wasting such an amazing being's talent for society. Whether a pet, a guard, a drug sniffer, a blind's guide, a deaf person's notifier of phone calls and door knocks or a rescue team's hypersensitive ears and nose to find the person in a forest or amongst many cliffs, dogs serve humanity in far better ways than eating their flesh and this is why farming them is very unwise and 'wrong'.
Isn't it better that they were never born than ensuring that they die in your own hands? Imagine yourself as an animal- unfamiliar to all languages of the Humans. Innocent yet light and happy. One day, someone comes and takes everything you care for- your children, your friends and you find out that they have been killed and eaten.
You are taken to the slaughterhouse with more of your species, all crying out in pain and unfamiliarity. You see everyone before you get chopped to death and then before you know- you are gone too.
Thank you Curiouscat05, good points. Welcome to CreateDebate.
No I am sure curious didn't mean that. She asked that why you are breeding animals wantedly to kill them in the end. Atleast you are not getting bred to be killed at the end?
Absolutely it should be personal choice. Humans are omnivores, if you choose to be strictly vegetarian that's fine but others prefer the taste of meat over the taste of lettuce.
Do you think the Tiger, Lion, Bear (omnivore) and any other apex predator is too concerned about it? Most kill quickly, that is how they survive.
To be truthful I do hope the meat I get is from a place that is as gentle as possible in their slaughter, but eating meat is my personal preference. I love a good salad as much as the next and respect those who choose to go full vegan but that is just not me.
You are very much mistaking. Human cannot be healthy on plant based diet, at least not as a lifetime, you need some animal product. You are focus only on the ethicals, do you even think for one millisecond about the health consequence? Vegan and vegetable people always on and on about the ethics but can never tell me when I ask them how to get certain nutrient on a plant diet, youy are so goo goo gah gah waaaaaaah the poor animals but almost every animal lives off of some other animals!
Tell me how it is to get the vitamin K-2 or the F vitamins with only plant based eating? Tell me if plant is so nutritious why are they loading with anti nutrient and cause oxidation stress to the DNA? They chop more trees to male the grains than to make animal agriculture, and the factory farming is destroy the environment because of the methodological application of the systematic processees, not for the thing in itself, if we have an agrarian society again and use the nature wisely it would not be so bad. Especially if we are going back to living close with nature and hunter gatherer, then we would sustainably with the animals, human are a predator, human must eats the meat.
Look lad or lass... Farmers have a lot to do without guys like u interrupting us and disturbing us! There are somethings which should NOT be eaten. Animals is one of them
You did not even think for a 'millisecond' before declaring me as an enemy, did you? I would tell you to clarify all your doubts which I have cleared right on the left but since you are SUCH a douche bag, let me tell you directly.
Surprisingly, I did think for a millisecond about health consequences and I like to be ethical and decent (unlike you). I am sorry you thought I was 'so goo goo gah gah waaaaaaah' but I doubt an imbecile like YOU would understand WHAT I was trying to say.
Yes, every animal eats off some other animal BUT maybe your moronic brains needs some time to comprehend the fact that some animals NEED to eat Non-Veg food to remain alive. Humans, are however NOT involved.
Maybe you thought I wouldn't know what K2 and F meant. I do, however. I said that we weren't supposed to KILL animals, I didn't say we were not supposed to eat animal products such as milk and cheese or butter. It is basically the same thing as taking something from a plant.
K2 is found in cheese and butter which is available WITHOUT murdering animals.
raw nuts, seeds, legumes, grape seed oil and flaxseed oil contain F vitamin.
Guess poor little nincompoop didn't check all of these?
Chopping of trees is wrong, I agree but certainly not BADDER than killing a being. Anti nutrient and oxidation stress are just mere side effects but didn't you know that Heart attack, diabetes, cancer all come equipped with non-veg food?
Did you know that most of farms prepare food meant for slaughterhouse animals?
This means that most of land is wasted away for these animals which are going to be killed shortly. If all these farms made human consumable food then undoubtedly, there would be delicious greens for the entire world!
Human was a predator but you might have notice that he no longer contains those long canines. These are clear signs of nature to us for staying AWAY from animals.
Those days human beings didn't know anything about agriculture, so they killed animals. Honestly, now you look foolish and cruel and vile.
If you actually did tell "directly" to my face you would pee your pants and run away afterwards.
I like to be ethical and decent (unlike you).
I believe the natural circle of life and the food chain is ethical as it keep natyre in valance. Now go back into your shell you littlle hermit crab.
some animals NEED to eat Non-Veg food to remain alive. Humans, are however NOT involved.
Ah but there lies where you are mistaking, most human DO need meat and only some can adapted to be healthy as vegan.
I said that we weren't supposed to KILL animals, I didn't say we were not supposed to eat animal products such as milk and cheese or butter
If you refuse to kill then something would kill you in nature, only pussy human society lets you think so weak and stupidly. If you are vegetarian that's better than vegan but thats not optimal at all even so.
aw nuts, seeds, legumes, grape seed oil and flaxseed oil contain F vitamin
Just like I told the "factmachine" guy, these are incomplete source and have a ratio of fatty acid which is backwards to what human need. Plus who wants to eat loaded with antinutrient and phytic acid when you can just eat the fishy?
.poor little nincompoop
I have money more than you i bet. And I am 6'1 and mave muscles. ANd I don't poop on any nincom whatever that is.
BADDER
Thes is not a word, even I know this and I am not very english.
Anti nutrient and oxidation stress are just mere side effects
In my experience most vegan and vegatan are much better at this than you, they talk about anti-oxidant and know the difference between side effect and an organic molecule which is present in grain legume and vegetable.
Heart attack, diabetes, cancer all come equipped with non-veg food?
You have ben lied too. SUGAR causes these, not saturate fat or cholesterol. The ancient egyptians where the first to have wide spread heart disease and diabetes and they had a GRAIN BASED AGRICULTURE AKA CARB AKA SUGAR. Ketones fight cancer and carbs can be fuel for cancer, you must thinik please for oncebefore you die.
you look foolish and cruel and vile.
Not compare to your precious vegan supporting monsantos.
Oh really, wise guy? Come on in and let me pee in my pants- You might be a bully but if you think you can scare me then you are worse than a 'nincompoop'
Argument: I like to be ethical and decent (unlike you).
You clearly stated previously that you are NOT ethical like me. ''Vegan and vegetable people always on and on about the ethics but can never tell me when I ask them how to get certain nutrient on a plant diet''
How can you dispute now saying that you are ethical? Hey! You question my ethics and I give you a slap on your face.
Argument: some animals NEED to eat Non-Veg food to remain alive. Humans, are however NOT involved.
Humans needed meat when they didn't possess the knowledge of agriculture and farming. Now you continue eating meat without using scientific knowledge.
Argument: I said that we weren't supposed to KILL animals, I didn't say we were not supposed to eat animal products such as milk and cheese or butter
You are really dumb, dude. We extract milk, cheese and butter from cows. Just the way, we extract plant products from plants. I don't uproot the plant and kill it the way you do. Besides, let me see your chicken legs grow back on.
Argument:aw nuts, seeds, legumes, grape seed oil and flaxseed oil contain F vitamin
Humane people do want to eat food loaded with antinutrient and phytic acid because they do not want to kill an organism which lives and kill it brutally.
Look, you are cruel and mean and selfish and greedy, and you know that's true.
Argument :.poor little nincompoop
Yeah, right. And I am Angelina Jollie. Just because you say you are '6'1 and that you have mave muscles' doesn't mean you have them. And you are too foolish to realize the meaning of nincompoop, so I am going to let it go.
Argument: BADDER
My mistake! I did not realize that I was talking to a guy who said 'You are very much mistaking' Please do not try to take grammar classes. This is a debate. NOT an English class even though you may not have points against me.
Argument: Anti nutrient and oxidation stress are just mere side effects
I might not be awesome at biology but I am sure its not worse than cancer. I hope you get inflicted with it.
Argument: Heart attack, diabetes, cancer all come equipped with non-veg food?
You have been lied twice. The fact that animal oil causes diabetes is an obvious fact. Sugar is present in animals who are filled to the brim with fats. But the toxic materials present in animals causes cancer as I have already stated and its PROVEN. Its a scientifically proven fact and I think proteins are a steep price to pay for all this.
Argument: you look foolish and cruel and vile.
Well at least we aren't killing beings like crazy like some people I know (YOU)
You need to take some chemistry, some biology, and some human physiology.
Much of what you write indicates you are reading "Health" magazines and internet articles on vegetarianism without learning enough of the basics to make sense of it, or tell what is actually BS.
A lot of what you refer to as if they are single substances are actually complexes or classes of chemicals.
For example, you need to know that "protein" is a class of similarly constructed molecules made up of amino acids. It is as important to get the complete set of necessary amino acids as it is to merely intake a large enough quantity of protein. Without th complete set of amino acids, you cannot rebuild complete strands of DNA during mitosis. Eating nuts and soy and mushrooms and legumes provides protein, but not the complete complement of amino acids humans require.
You have evidence of these kinds of holes in your knowledge base and understanding sprinkled throughout what you write.
Healthy vegetarianism is very difficult to do, and requires a much better scientific education than you seem to have, or than most people have. Moreover, it requires access to some specialized food sources that are uncommon in most societies. Consistent good health is much more likely if you eat a diet that varies as widely as possible and includes at least some meat.
its personal choice, can only vegetarian feed the stomach of the whole population? people assume that we should feel pity to kill animals or life forms, okay that's right in one sense but what about millions and millions of people killing and murdering going on. how could you say that an animal is important than a human, are not you human. My opinion is that we must first stop killing people , and after that vegetarian.