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The Bible is proven! Can Evolution be proven?
Debate Score:43
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Evolution?

Evolution started in 1859 by Charles Darwin. This is a known fact. (1) Did it (Evolution) start when Charles Darwin introduced it in 1859, or prior to this? Note: If it is prior it would be contradictory to Charles Darwin's theory! Please show evidence if it was prior. The Bible on the other hand has been written throughout time and space, and can be easily proven through Dates, Archaeology, and Bible Prophecy. This is a fact. (2)

(1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Darwin

(2) http://timeline.biblehistory.com/home

The Bible is proven!

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Can Evolution be proven?

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2 points

It's all just a matter of perspective. If I believe that the bible is proven, then in my reality that is the truth.

Side: The Bible is proven!
Jace(5050) Clarified
1 point

Yes, and no. While everything is ultimately a matter of perspective, some perspectives mitigate for fallibility and subjective human perception more than others. Such views are more reliable and proximate to the objective truth, or that actual truth which exists independent of our perception of it. Just because one thinks something is the truth that does not make it the truth.

Side: The Bible is proven!
1 point

Evolution was disproven in the spirit war...The difference between humans and animals is obviously that humans think and socialize. Its because people have the spirit, and it makes them conscious and seeing. Therefore humans coming from apes is impossible. Its impossible for apes to have developed DNA within the time frame that evolution says they did too.

Side: The Bible is proven!
2 points

Evolution was disproven in the spirit war..

How so? Humans aren't even the only species that goes to war.

The difference between humans and animals is obviously that humans think and socialize.

As members of Kingdom Animalia, we are animals. Additionally, other animals think and socialize as well.

Its because people have the spirit, and it makes them conscious and seeing.

Are you trying to describe sentience?

Therefore humans coming from apes is impossible.

Nothing you have said precludes the possibility of humans (who are primates) evolving from other primates.

Its impossible for apes to have developed DNA within the time frame that evolution says they did too.

Based on what, exactly?

Side: Can Evolution be proven?
Jace(5050) Disputed
1 point

Thought and socialization are not unique to our species, nor would they constitute evidence for the Bible or against evolution if they were. Thinking that we are spiritual and created by some god does not actually constitute proof that we have spirits and were created by some god. It just means that we think that. Moreover, there is scientific research that explains this human disposition towards belief and even identifies the particular genetic coding in human DNA which disposes some of us towards spirituality (and others of us not).

Also... "spirit war"?

Side: Can Evolution be proven?
dcb9242000(167) Disputed
1 point

1. Animals do think and socialize. Mice memorize mazes. Apes can think through a problem, like puzzles, or even learn to do things like spear fish. Animals communicate all the time. A "spirit" is just the ambition to do things beyond survive since we have more advanced brains and are able to not just survive, but prosper. We gained these advanced functions.

2. Humans did not develop from apes. We share a common ancestor with species. Early humans, like the Neanderthals, were developing at the same time apes were.

3. ts impossible for apes to have developed DNA... All organisms, from bacteria cells to whales, and even viruses, which aren't even alive, have DNA, because all organisms are made of cells. Cells have a nucleus that contains DNA. So therefore, apes didn't develop DNA. They have always had it ever since life was formed.

Side: Can Evolution be proven?

Wow...there is just so much wrong in the opening statement.

Evolution started in 1859 by Charles Darwin.

Did it (Evolution) start when Charles Darwin introduced it in 1859, or prior to this?

First of all, Darwin was not the first to discover evolution. Evolution was first mentioned by the Greek philosopher Anaximander. Charles Darwin wasn't even the first to discover natural selection, although he and Alfred Russell Wallace were the first to provide a fully-formed hypothesis regarding natural selection. Epicurus (greek philosopher) had the earliest-known written thoughts about it, however. Regardless, no one "started" evolution. It was already in practice and had been for billions of years. Just like Newton didn't "start" gravity, and Ben Franklin didn't "start" electricity in lightning. And the fact that evolution was already occurring in no way disproves Darwin's (or anyone else's) hypothesis but helps to confirm it via the fossil record.

Anyway, the general concept of evolution is as proven as it can be - as much as gravity, laws of motion, thermodynamics, and general relativity. There is still some debate as to the specific mechanisms of evolution, although natural selection is very well evidentially supported, particularly for microevolution.

As far as proving the bible, yes, I agree, the bible exists. It was definitely written - we have the book to prove it. That does not make the events within it accurate, and does not necessarily mean we should live or, more to the point, force others to live according to it. The Qu'ran exists - want me to tell you you should follow its proposed rules? How about the Torah, the Bhagavad Gita, the Kebra Nagast? Do you believe all of those books are about completely accurate events?

Side: Can Evolution be proven?
1 point

No! Evolution cannot be proven because it goes against time. We as Americans go by dates and time. We have a record of time that we keep to track our daily endeavors and we measure everything on this basis. "Time is defined as, "a measure in which events can be ordered from the past through the present into the future, and also the measure of durations of events and the intervals between them."(1)

(1) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time]

Therefore evolution cannot be proven, nor is it true, because it would go directly against time.

Side: Can Evolution be proven?
J-Roc77(70) Clarified
2 points

I can't tell if you are serious.

Bravo.

Side: The Bible is proven!
daver(1771) Clarified
2 points

Evolution cannot be proven because it goes against time.

Therefore evolution cannot be proven, nor is it true, because it would go directly against time.

In what way does evolution go against time. Does not evolution occur as a series of events in the past, present and future?

Sorry --- I'm not understanding your statement.

Side: The Bible is proven!
GenericName(3430) Clarified
2 points

Are you being series, or kidding?

Side: The Bible is proven!
Aspire(62) Disputed
1 point

I'm on the side of evolution being provable. Since this is another redundant debate with one untrue side and a question as the opposing side I'll make my statement by disputing your ridiculous claim.

No! Evolution cannot be proven because it goes against time.

Actually, it's quite the opposite. I can make the statement that Monday is evolving into Tuesday and be quite accurate linguistically.

Here is the definition of evolve:

e·volve

/ēˈvälv/

verb

verb: evolve; 3rd person present: evolves; past tense: evolved; past participle: evolved; gerund or present participle: evolving

1.

develop gradually, especially from a simple to a more complex form.

That being said all the theory of evolution is, is the gradual development of life over time from a simple to a more complex form. The more complex details are in the how. which the theory seeks to prove. Evolution has already been proven. I'll say it again, it's the "how?" that the theory has a problem with.

evolution cannot be proven, nor is it true, because it would go directly against time.

actually evolution is in parallel with time. Without time, nothing can evolve.

Side: Can Evolution be proven?
ProLogos(2794) Disputed
1 point

I'm filing a lawsuit on you, upon the grounds that you've caused severe trauma to my figiggly glands.

Side: The Bible is proven!
1 point

Evolution cannot be 100% proven however we have found plenty of evidence to support it. This includes fossil remains of many organisms each getting more diverse by the ground layers. Before you starting complaining, yes we have found pre cambrian era fossils and we can't classify them as plants or animals. Some other things like useless muscles, organs, and bones in our bodies. For example a mans genitals used to have a spine ( -_- ) Anyways there are plenty other examples but none I am going to waste my time explaining to you if its so important do research.

Side: Can Evolution be proven?
Side: Can Evolution be proven?
1 point

No! it is called the THEORY of evolution for a reason. As an atheist, i wish it could be (since i prefer it to other theories or religions) but it cannot be proven

Side: Can Evolution be proven?
3 points

I really wish people would stop saying this.

It is called a theory because it is a scientific theory:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory

Side: The Bible is proven!
1 point

Um... nope. As others have said, the definition you have in your head of the word 'theory' is not the same as the definition of scientific theory. There is in fact plenty of ways that evolution can be observed and proven.

Side: Can Evolution be proven?
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
-1 points

It's called a theory because many people want to believe the hypothesis. A hypothesis cannot become a theory until it is observable for testing....if you cant take a bird and make it change into a mammal, you can't change your hypothesis into a theory. Looking at a fossil and speculating that it was a dinosaur progressing to become a bird is not observing a dinosaur changing into a bird. A theory cannot be considered valid until it is observed. Fossils are dead. You can't observe a bird turning into a monkey or any other evolutionary leap of faith.

Evolution is not science, it's a hypothesis which is nothing more than a belief.

As for the Bible being proven, it's God's word and it cannot be broken. Read the end of the book, the last book, Revelation, and you will see how it will all be proved to everybody one day. The dead will be pulled up from Hell to appear for their final judgement by Jesus Christ, and those who have believed on Him and received Him as the payment for their sins will not be condemned.

For those in Hell, I think they never will be fully persuaded that the Bible is proven, even though they will never be able to get out of the fire. I think there will always be something in them which believes God will eventually let them off the hook and let them get out of Hell...but I could be wrong, they may well know there is no way out and maybe they will always know it and hate it.

Side: The Bible is proven!
Cartman(18192) Disputed
1 point

Wow, this argument actually showed signs of intelligence. You are wrong, but you have actually written something that isn't complete nonsense for the first time.

Side: Can Evolution be proven?
dcb9242000(167) Disputed
1 point

First of all, the Bible is NOT proven. People basically took the words of a couple self-proclaimed "saints" as the absolute truth. you will see how it will all be proved to everybody one day So basically it can't be proven either, and is therefore just a hypothesis, like evolution. At least there are some forms of evidence for evolution. Did the trilobites that were found fossilized from a couple hundred million years just suddenly die, and God repopulated with the Earth with dimetrodons, and then kill them and give way to amphibians and fish, and then dinosaurs, and so on? No, they evolved over time into more advanced organisms better suited to the changed environment.

Side: Can Evolution be proven?
1 point

You CAN'T be serious! It's like you're not even up for debate here. All you want is for people to come along and agree with you without evidence and enrage everyone who is different...

Side: Can Evolution be proven?
1 point

the fact is... no theory can be completely proven. evolution is similar. however it has withstood man y of the challenges posed against it. but again even scientists agree that it is not as accurate as the theories of general relativity or quantum mechanics. i feel that evolution is just the best GUESS we can make with our present technology. maybe later on, it will be improved.

Side: Can Evolution be proven?
-1 points

Evolution is a theory; it cannot be proven. Evolution may be proven sometime in the future.

Side: Can Evolution be proven?
Aspire(62) Disputed
1 point

Evolution is a theory; it cannot be proven.

Evolution may be proven sometime in the future.

-1 because you contradict yourself.

Side: The Bible is proven!
CutMe(109) Disputed
0 points

"Evolution is a theory; it cannot be proven.

Evolution may be proven sometime in the future.

-1 because you contradict yourself."

Actually, it isn't a contradiction. He said it cannot be proven yet (YET) but maybe in the future we will be smart enough to. For now we are faithful...

Side: Can Evolution be proven?
Arzul Khan(27) Disputed
1 point

I do not think someone will able to prove Theory of Evolution in present and in Future...

If we Look from Religion point of you ...its clear...that human is not product of evolution...

And Human mind and Knowledge also does not understand this concept of evolution...its not possible..

Gaint Human present in past and with passage of time changes within human occur but its does not been change from one animal to another animal.....

Side: The Bible is proven!
1 point

If we Look from Religion point of you ...its clear...that human is not product of evolution...

How is it clear?

And Human mind and Knowledge also does not understand this concept of evolution...its not possible..

Many people understand the concept of evolution. Don't you think it is a little strange to say that because you don't, nobody does?

Side: Can Evolution be proven?
Cartman(18192) Disputed
0 points

 do not think someone will able to prove Theory of Evolution in present and in Future

Of course not. It was proven in the past. No way to prove something already proven. That's like saying I don't think anyone will write the bible in the present or future.

 we Look from Religion point of you ...its clear...that human is not product of evolution

If we look at any wrong point of view it will say evolution is false.

And Human mind and Knowledge also does not understand this concept of evolution...its not possible

This is completely false.

Gaint Human present in past and with passage of time changes within human occur but its does not been change from one animal to another animal.....

We have actually seen animals change so much that they are different from what they started as. So actually, it did happen.

Side: Can Evolution be proven?