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It's the religion of death Evolution is the god
Debate Score:27
Arguments:37
Total Votes:29
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Evolution is dead

This is not about the phony science used by people who follow the logical fallacy of begging the question.  This is about the philosophical implications of belief in evolution.  Let's try to keep the focus on the philosophy.  If you want whine about how your phony science proves evolution, take it to your local college and they will make you a professor.

It's the religion of death

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Evolution is the god

Side Score: 11
3 points

This is not about the phony science used by people who follow the logical fallacy of begging the question.

We assumed you weren't talking about creation from the title.

This is about the philosophical implications of belief in evolution.

The implications of the strawman you created? Or, actual evolution?

Let's try to keep the focus on the philosophy.

You want to focus on the philosophy of a scientific theory? How is that productive?

If you want whine about how your phony science proves evolution, take it to your local college and they will make you a professor.

It's science, you moron.

Side: It's the religion of death
Saintnow(3684) Clarified
1 point

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Side: It's the religion of death
KNHav(1957) Disputed
0 points

God made instant creation on days 5 an 6. We didnt evolve.

Adaptation is not evolving. Evolution is illogical, not scientific.

It uses biology to create a myrhical story.

So biolgy is science. Evolution is a mathmatical impossibility.

It literally is foolish. Even without religion, it is foolish.

Side: Evolution is the god
Saintnow(3684) Clarified
1 point

this kind of arguing ignores the OP request to focus on the philosophies which go along with evolution. This is not a "science VS philosophy" debate, or a "creation VS evolution" debate. It seems nobody is able to discuss the philosophical implications of evolutionary belief and I'm going to ban all who try to take this debate in other directions.

Side: It's the religion of death
2 points

Very dead! Its a theology of fools.

Biology soup equals evolution. Dont get me wrong biology is biology. But its not evolution.

Its not possible to make life from nothing. The conditions would have to be just right and it would constantly break itself down.

So evolution is a science doctrine that is actually against science.

Side: It's the religion of death
KeepSmiling(54) Disputed Banned
1 point

Evolution describes how life evolved not how life began. Evolution and the origin of life are two completely different things.

Side: Evolution is the god
KNHav(1957) Disputed
1 point

Then how did it begin? And evolution still did not assemble multiple species and a balanced environmrnt no matter what the origin was

Side: It's the religion of death
Saintnow(3684) Clarified
1 point

This is a cop out because you know abiogenisis is dead before evolution is dead.

There is no evolution without a LUCA, and if you believe in evolution you have to account for where LUCA came from. You can't account for evolution any more than you can account for LUCA, it's nothing but cartoon animations, story telling which is made up along the way.

Evolution does not describe how life evolved, it describes how you might want to believe it evolved. It's all made up, the only way you can show it happening is in cartoon animations and the end of the whole cartoon, for you and everybody who believes in evolution as an excuse for their immoralities, is death. Evolution is dead and dead is all it will make you if you cling to it.

Side: It's the religion of death
1 point

This is not about the phony science used by people who follow the logical fallacy of begging the question.

We assumed you weren't talking about creation from the title.

This is about the philosophical implications of belief in evolution.

The implications of the strawman you created? Or, actual evolution?

Let's try to keep the focus on the philosophy.

You want to focus on the philosophy of a scientific theory? How is that productive?

If you want whine about how your phony science proves evolution, take it to your local college and they will make you a professor.

It's a science, you mormon.

Side: It's the religion of death
Saintnow(3684) Clarified
1 point

Why do you promote usage of one's body as a cheap piece of meat? Do you have AIDS (originally known as GRID, Gay Related Immune Deficiency) yet? Herpes? Warts? Any of other STD's passed thanks to perverts who give themselves away cheap and use others like meat?

Side: It's the religion of death
1 point

In Bible Codes, some are far out and take it far out. But some are a signature of Dive Authorship. And these ones are definitely signatures as if He etched His Word with His own hand.

Pi found in Genesis 1: 1 and adv math e found in John 1: 1.

These aren't spread out, found in difficulty, and in need of twisting. These two adv math codes are found, each found using within one verse. And each one found separately in chapter one of two seperate books, written in two separate millennials, in written in two separate languages. And the nature of interpretation works with what is there from the ancient text.

And the odds of them occurring at any point at all within all 66 books of the Bible is in probabilities of unreasonable proportions.

What do you think is the probability of a few of these together found coded in the Bible? If just musing at first glance, wouldn't you say, " no way?" I'm not even saying in the whole Bible. What is the probability all these are found in only six books out if 66?

As for me, I dont think a calculation is needed to tell me that is an unreasonable probability in calculations of a snowflakes chance in Hell!

Even crazier, pi and e are coded in two different languages, Hebrew for Jews and Greek was a time period of the Gospel's progression out to the Gentiles.

And both verses state "In the beginning," so they each speak of a time period of Creation and in Jesus as the Creator. And advanced math equations not known yet for 1000s of years to come.

In Genesis 1: 1 pi equation is encoded, in creation of the world and universe and in God stitching prophesy into appointed times to bring Creation full circle.

And in John 1: 1 in Greek while the Gospel is propelled out to the Gentiles, you find in verse one the equation for e, which is compound interest, multiplying exponentially.

So even the equations found communicate the purpose of the event. And even the Bible Author God, divided these times by purpose as shown in the 1st verses of these two books, Genesis and John. Then to add to this timetables for dating history is BC and AD.

So the Bible notes each beginning with a math equation. Then took the division of time line for dating history. And then add TORH TORH YHWY HROT HROT in the beginning of each of the five books of the Bible at intervals of Bible numbers of importance in the written text throughout every book of seven and forty-nine .

These singuarly are a stretch against reasonable probability, but for all to be right there on the top, not buried or crazy, together all these are proof of God and His Word. All of these together are impossible odds without Divine Authorship. Together these are more than just an oooh wow, these are against odds of probabilities that are not even be conceivable.

Now in contradiction beween the improbability of two faiths.

A comparison between Christianity and Evolution as ecplanation of Creation.

So on one hand, Evolutionism states strands of DNA self assembled and mutated and against all odds of occurance and against all odds of science principles and without any evidence of a physical example in front of our eyes, we are told to believe it. And that it is factual.

Then you take just these few pieces of many in evidence, tangible and available to view in everyone's individual hands. With everyone having the ability to test it, and even count out the codes for themselves, and literally proving itself in person from the beginning and in person showing agsinst all odds He not only created, but He put it in writing against all odds to prove it!

You have to be evil or an idiot to at least not step back and say there is more to God and the Bible than I currently think. Maybe I should look further!

Side: It's the religion of death
Saintnow(3684) Clarified
1 point

He's on the edge of being banned for ignoring the OP request to focus on the philosophical implications of belief in evolution, and if you entertain his rudeness I'll have to ban you with him.

Side: It's the religion of death
1 point

I hate it when sides are named mindlessly.

You want to understand the philosophical implications? Read any existentialist after Nietzsche. I'd recommend Sartre.

Hard-core theists have always had problems with the advancement of science. They should collectively shut themselves off from the world (and be secular - thus sending back those who don't support them. That's a necessity in even the most basic system of ethics possible.) and let their dogmas take the place of knowledge. They'd soon die off by themselves, probably.

Side: Evolution is the god
Saintnow(3684) Clarified
1 point

I've had Nietzche garbage shoved down my throat for decades and I still get more of it from people like you...it's a waste of time.

Hard core sinners who think their immoralities are excused by saying God is not there and there is no eternal condemnation of dying in the fire of Hell forever are only hoping to negate their own lives, hoping in nothing, and it's sad.

Since you seem to be unable to discuss things without being nasty, you get a good boot in the rear and maybe it will help you to learn some manners.

Side: It's the religion of death
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

I see the philosophical implications of your beliefs......it makes you want to put a lot of people in solitary confinement and leave them to die. You, Nietzsche, Hitler, Stalin........I think you are jealous of Hitler and probably believe you could do a better job of taking over the world than Hitler did.

Side: It's the religion of death
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

boo hoo. So you hate the way I framed this discussion. You only came here to harass me I guess. Take a hike.

Side: It's the religion of death
Atrag(5556) Banned
1 point

Christianity is the religion of death. True Christians look forward to dying - this world is meaningless to them.

Side: Evolution is the god
Saintnow(3684) Clarified
1 point

Your kettle is cracking .

Side: It's the religion of death
1 point

I'm sorry but evolution is based on science not philosophy. Also, how is science phony? Science is the way the universe works. Are you saying that the way the universe works is phony? Also what is the point of banning everyone who disagrees with you. This a debate site, your supposed to argue with people who disagree with you. Also, evolution is not a religion.

Side: Evolution is the god
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

Evolution is based on people's desire to evolve, it is not based on science, it's pseudo science

Side: It's the religion of death
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

The point of banning people with bad manners is to teach them that they need to learn some manners, need to learn to shut their mouth enough to listen as much as they talk. So far you have not displayed such rudeness, but if you accuse me one more time of banning everybody who disagrees with me, I will take it you do not want to discuss reality and only want to insult me because you whine like a crybaby when I point out the logical fallacies and pseudo-science used to promote evolution which people generally hope in as they believe it excuses their immoralities........and I will ban you.

Side: It's the religion of death
KeepSmiling(54) Disputed Banned
1 point

Just because we disagree with you does not mean we have bad manners. Banning people who disagree with you is just immature. And yes, evolution is science. It is biology. A massive amount of scientific research has been put into it. Instead of blindly calling it pseudoscience maybe you should actually explain what the logical fallacies are. Because it doesn't have any fallacies and you never pointed any out. Maybe look at the other side of things and keep an open mind instead of thinking that your completely right and everyone else is completely wrong just because they disagree with you. And sure, you can ban me just because I look at the other side of things. Also, you complain about others insulting when your actually the one trying insulting them.

Side: Evolution is the god
Saintnow(3684) Clarified
1 point

I think I stated pretty clearly in the OP that I want this discussion to focus on the belief system, the philosophical implications of belief in evolution. If you don't want to admit to believing anything, fine. You'll be banned.

Evolutionary belief, survival of the fittest, natural selection, whatever....gives rise to fascism because it devalues people to the level of animals....and the strongest animal survives. It endorses and promotes death, that's all it's good for. It's evil, it's dead, and one day it will be unheard of outside of the fire of Hell.

Side: It's the religion of death
Saintnow(3684) Clarified
1 point

science used to support evolution is real when it states observable, testable, repeatable facts and then becomes pseudo science when a person says things like "this proves reptiles morphed into birds".

This is not about science VS pseudo-science, this is about the philosophical implications of belief in survival of the fittest and natural selection guiding evolution, the belief that people are only evolving animals and the belief of what people will evolve into being.

forget it Bob. I can see you wont be reasonable. One more time claiming evolution is science and ignoring the OP guidelines to focus the discussion on the philosophical implications of evolution and you are banned. I'm tempted just to ban you now because I expect more of the same garbage from you.

Side: It's the religion of death
KeepSmiling(54) Disputed Banned
1 point

But there are no philosophical implications. It is based on science and science is where all the evidence came from. Evolution had an enormous amount of evidence and if you actually put in the time to have a look at it you would be very suprised.

And evolution does not cause death or anything of the sort. That's like saying religion is bad because of the crusades. Besides, evolution has not caused any wars. And what I'm saying is not garbage. I'm just disagreeing with you.

Side: It's the religion of death