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Exactly How Stupid Must A Person Be To Deny 9/11 Was An Inside Job?
So, there is a stack of evidence that both the Afghanistan and Iraq wars were planned well in advance of 9/11 (note: if you doubt me I will gladly post it). Only wait a minute. The Bush Administration can't start these wars because they've got no reason. The public will never stand for it. Never gonna happen. Oh wait. What is this? A conveniently timed mass terror attack. What a shocking coincidence.
Hi Cartman. America is proud to have turned you into a fat ignorant robot completely incapable of independent thought. Using sock accounts to upvote your own shitposts is what we'd like to see more of.
"The reason given by the United States for its invasion of Afghanistan in October 2001 was to 'destroy the infrastructure of al-Qaida, the perpetrators of 9/11'. However, there is evidence that the invasion was planned two months earlier, and that the most pressing problem was not the Taliban's links with Osama bin Laden, but the prospect of the mullahs losing control of Afghanistan to other mujahedin factions in the Northern Alliance." (Pilger 2007, p376)
"Believing it was the presence of Osama bin Laden that was souring their relationship with Washington, the Taliban tried to get rid of him. Under a deal negotiated by the leaders of Pakistan's two Islamic parties, bin Laden was to be held under house arrest in Peshawar. The plan was said to have been approved by bin Laden himself and Mullah Omar. An international tribunal would then hear evidence and decide whether to try him or hand him over to the Americans. Under pressure from Washington, Pakistan's President Musharraf vetoed the plan. According tp Pakistani foreign minister Niaz Naik, a senior American diplomat told him on July 21, 2001 that it had been decided to dispense with the Taliban 'under a carpet of bombs'". (Pilger 2007, p376)
PILGER, J., 2007. Freedom next time. 2nd ed. Great Britain: Bantam press.
US 'planned attack on Taleban'
Niaz Naik, a former Pakistani Foreign Secretary, was told by senior American officials in mid-July (2001) that military action against Afghanistan would go ahead by the middle of October.
"From the very beginning, there was a conviction, that Saddam Hussein was a bad person and that he needed to go," says O'Neill, who adds that going after Saddam was topic "A" 10 days after the inauguration - eight months before Sept. 11.
"From the very first instance, it was about Iraq. It was about what we can do to change this regime," says Suskind. "Day one, these things were laid and sealed."
As treasury secretary, O'Neill was a permanent member of the National Security Council. He says in the book he was surprised at the meeting that questions such as "Why Saddam?" and "Why now?" were never asked.
"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying 'Go find me a way to do this,'" says O'Neill. "For me, the notion of pre-emption, that the U.S. has the unilateral right to do whatever we decide to do, is a really huge leap."
You quoted a guy saying there is evidence as your evidence
The Pakistani ex-Foreign Secretary is on official record stating that a "senior US diplomat" told him about the US invasion of Afghanistan two months in advance of 9/11.
I am not convinced. Weird, right.
A little, given that when some random guy told you it was al Qaeda you swallowed it up like an excited child. Now suddenly you don't seem so keen to believe random guys who tell you things. Your double standards simply prove that you are an inept retard who is prepared to believe anything he is told by his own government.
Let's go back in time. If you heard Osama bin Laden on September 10, 2001 say:
As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I don't consider the killing of innocent women, children, and other humans as an appreciable act. Islam strictly forbids causing harm to innocent women, children, and other people...
You would say he was full of shit. On September 10th he was a known terrorist psychopath. In your ten years of "research" you determined that a known evil person was telling the truth about not wanting to kill innocent people. All while seeing Muslims not give a single fuck about killing innocent people. If you had bothered doing any research on Muslims you would know that everything he said about Islam is a lie. So, independent of the 9/11 attacks, everything he said was a lie. Then, you add in that he said he didn't do 9/11. Well, he lied about everything else. So, you swallowed the lies of a murdering psychopath and you have the audacity to accuse others of swallowing falsehoods. Fuck off with your ten fucking years of failure.
Even though your thread is no more than a mischievous juvenile caper designed to incite emotionally charged replies it nevertheless degrades the memories of those victims who lost their lives in this Muslim terrorist atrocity and displays contempt for their grieving loved ones.
This sick thread is a classic example of how low filth such as you will stoop to dishonour the memories of over 3000 victims and those who sustained life changing injuries in a cheap attempt to accumulate a few points.
Even though your thread is no more than a mischievous juvenile caper designed to incite emotionally charged replies
Antrim, are you honestly devoid of a single iota of intellect? If you get angry instead of assessing the evidence then it is because you have been brainwashed. How much clearer does it have to be? You sound like a militant Christian right now and it's scary.
Quantum you truly are sad aren't you ? It is a well known on this site that you are a child abuser and were convicted in 1994 of sexually assaulting a 2 year old boy.
Once again you couldn't resist the temptation of switching over to your many aliases and down voting my points score, as you obviously have done with others.
You have a most amusing and easily manipulated childlike behaviour pattern.
Don't you realize that you're only making an even bigger idiot out of yourself than you really are, and clearly that's an outstanding achievement in itself.
Everyone knows what you're doing so you attract their wrath.
The only conclusion I can reach is that not only are you psychologically disturbed but you are also masochist.
Yes siree Bob, that's you all over;- a raving loonie masochist.
You could provide sufficient material to fill the agenda for a psychiatrists weekend convention.
Needless to say your reply was wasted as I never bothered reading it.
Once again you couldn't resist the temptation of switching over to your many aliases and down voting my points score.
Oh shut up with your conspiracy bullshit. If people are downvoting your posts then it isn't my fault.
You have a most amusing and easily manipulated childlike behaviour pattern.
Ad hominem.
The only conclusion I can reach is that not only are you psychologically disturbed but you are also masochist.
Ad hominem.
Yes siree Bob, that's you all over;- a raving loonie masochist.
And for the ban!! Congratulations. You can come back when you have a better argument than calling me names and inventing conspiracy theories to explain why your posts are so worthless.
How many times do you really need to made out for the fool you are ? One more time i am going to show you what a fool you are !
THE PRESIDENT: Good evening. Tonight, I can report to the American people and to the world that the United States has conducted an operation that killed Osama bin Laden, the leader of al Qaeda, and a terrorist who’s responsible for the murder of thousands of innocent men, women, and children.
It was nearly 10 years ago that a bright September day was darkened by the worst attack on the American people in our history. The images of 9/11 are seared into our national memory -- hijacked planes cutting through a cloudless September sky; the Twin Towers collapsing to the ground; black smoke billowing up from the Pentagon; the wreckage of Flight 93 in Shanksville, Pennsylvania, where the actions of heroic citizens saved even more heartbreak and destruction.
And yet we know that the worst images are those that were unseen to the world. The empty seat at the dinner table. Children who were forced to grow up without their mother or their father. Parents who would never know the feeling of their child’s embrace. Nearly 3,000 citizens taken from us, leaving a gaping hole in our hearts.
On September 11, 2001, in our time of grief, the American people came together. We offered our neighbors a hand, and we offered the wounded our blood. We reaffirmed our ties to each other, and our love of community and country. On that day, no matter where we came from, what God we prayed to, or what race or ethnicity we were, we were united as one American family.
We were also united in our resolve to protect our nation and to bring those who committed this vicious attack to justice. We quickly learned that the 9/11 attacks were carried out by al Qaeda -- an organization headed by Osama bin Laden, which had openly declared war on the United States and was committed to killing innocents in our country and around the globe. And so we went to war against al Qaeda to protect our citizens, our friends, and our allies.
Over the last 10 years, thanks to the tireless and heroic work of our military and our counter terrorism professionals, we’ve made great strides in that effort. We’ve disrupted terrorist attacks and strengthened our homeland defense. In Afghanistan, we removed the Taliban government, which had given bin Laden and al Qaeda safe haven and support. And around the globe, we worked with our friends and allies to capture or kill scores of al Qaeda terrorists, including several who were a part of the 9/11 plot.
So your argument is that, rather than cause a civil war and the dissolution of the entire American political system, because Obama continued the lie, the lie is therefore true? Simply brilliant.
Osama bin Laden died of kidney failure in late 2001 (possibly early 2002). Please see:-
bin Laden is Trapped in Afghanistan, Unable to Receive Kidney Treatments
CIA agent alleged to have met Bin Laden in July (2001)
Bin Laden has often been reported to be in poor health. Some accounts claim that he is suffering from Hepatitis C, and can expect to live for only two more years.
According to Le Figaro, last year he ordered a mobile dialysis machine to be delivered to his base at Kandahar in Afghanistan.
OSAMA BIN LADEN heaped praise on 'the 19 students who shook the American empire' in the September 11 attacks in a chilling video shown in full last night by an Arab television station.
The recording was dismissed by the Bush administration yesterday as sick propaganda possibly designed to mask the fact the al-Qa'eda leader was already dead.
Speculation about the whereabouts and health of Osama bin Laden picked up over the weekend when Pakistan's president, Gen. Pervez Musharraf, said he thought bin Laden had likely died of kidney failure.
She says Bin Laden suffered from kidney and stomach ailments, needed pills to sleep, liked eating honey and yoghurt and had his children educated privately when the Taleban Government closed down schools (note: bin Laden's wife using past tense to describe her husband)
Osama bin Laden is dead. The news first came from sources in Afghanistan and Pakistan almost six months ago: the fugitive died in December and was buried in the mountains of southeast Afghanistan. Pakistan's president, Pervez Musharraf, echoed the information.
In closing, you saw no body, Obama claimed he "buried him at sea", and the tactical SEAL unit responsible for carrying out the assassination died in a helicopter crash several months later:-
How many times do you really need to made out for the fool you are ? One more time i am going to show you what a fool you are !
THE PRESIDENT: Good evening. Tonight, I can report to the American people and to the world that the United States has conducted an operation that killed Osama bin Laden, the leader of al Qaeda, and a terrorist who’s responsible for the murder of thousands of innocent men, women, and children.
It was nearly 10 years ago that a bright September day was darkened by the worst attack on the American people in our history. The images of 9/11 are seared into our national memory -- hijacked planes cutting through a cloudless September sky; the Twin Towers collapsing to the ground; black smoke billowing up from the Pentagon; the wreckage of Flight 93 in Shanksville, Pennsylvania, where the actions of heroic citizens saved even more heartbreak and destruction.
And yet we know that the worst images are those that were unseen to the world. The empty seat at the dinner table. Children who were forced to grow up without their mother or their father. Parents who would never know the feeling of their child’s embrace. Nearly 3,000 citizens taken from us, leaving a gaping hole in our hearts.
On September 11, 2001, in our time of grief, the American people came together. We offered our neighbors a hand, and we offered the wounded our blood. We reaffirmed our ties to each other, and our love of community and country. On that day, no matter where we came from, what God we prayed to, or what race or ethnicity we were, we were united as one American family.
We were also united in our resolve to protect our nation and to bring those who committed this vicious attack to justice. We quickly learned that the 9/11 attacks were carried out by al Qaeda -- an organization headed by Osama bin Laden, which had openly declared war on the United States and was committed to killing innocents in our country and around the globe. And so we went to war against al Qaeda to protect our citizens, our friends, and our allies.
Over the last 10 years, thanks to the tireless and heroic work of our military and our counter terrorism professionals, we’ve made great strides in that effort. We’ve disrupted terrorist attacks and strengthened our homeland defense. In Afghanistan, we removed the Taliban government, which had given bin Laden and al Qaeda safe haven and support. And around the globe, we worked with our friends and allies to capture or kill scores of al Qaeda terrorists, including several who were a part of the 9/11 plot.
The Beloved Barack Obama must be stupid ? Is that how you Leftist view his archives ? You don't have anything Super Stupid !!!!!!!!!!!!! But the Obama archives could use your help ROTFFLMMFAO
Like the big child he is Quantum posts a side with 'stupid 'and the opposite side ' very stupid ' proving he doesn't want debate but just wants people to agree with his bullshit .
His whole argument is based on
1: a janitor who changed his account 11 times
2: A guy called Gage head of Truth org who has consistently lied
3: An ' expert ' called Jones who's a Mormon and quiet insane
4: A chancer called Niels Harrit who claimed he wrote a ' peer reviewed paper ' and has been exposed lying about 9/11 and his ' credentials on Danish TV .
5 : Quantum ignores the many real scientists and peer reviewed papers that support what rational people know is the truth .
6 : Hilariously Quantum says Bin Laden had no hand ,act or part in 9/11 because he said he didn't do it 😂😂😂
Quantum is pissing all over the unfortunate victims of 9/11 and his rabid hatred for America and Americans comes through in his every rant
Like the big child he is Quantum posts a side with 'stupid 'and the opposite side ' very stupid '
Dermot, you are both stupid and dishonest. Your existence on this planet is an affront to the law of reason.
His whole argument is based on
1: a janitor who changed his account 11 times
This is exactly what you claimed yesterday. It was a lie then and it is a lie now. Please show us proof that William Rodriguez changed his story 11 times.
Repeating empty lies is not debate. Fuck off you retard.
Your generic use of the "No you!" defence makes me suspect I am probably debating a 12 year old boy. Come back to this debate when you have acquired a basic education please.
Dermot, it is well known on this site that you are a child abuser and were convicted in 1994 of sexually assaulting a 7 year old boy.
Really? Omg. Thanks for telling me. That's absolutely disgusting. I know not to believe a word he says now. In fact I'm going to report him to admin. I'm not sharing a site with a child molester.
Quantum you truly are sad aren't you ? It is awell known on this site that you are a child abuser and were convicted in 1994 of sexually assaulting a 2 year old boy.
Quantum you truly are sad aren't you ? It is awell known on this site that you are a child abuser and were convicted in 1994 of sexually assaulting a 2 year old boy.
Proved it several times you lying sack of shit ; he relies on his income by telling his ever changing fable to retarded knob suckers like you who gladly pay for the 'privilege ' to kiss his lying ass
Yes , you're a piece of rabid anti American filth who has no respect for the victims
I'm not interested in you using one aggressive lie to back out of another aggressive lie. I'm interested in you proving the WTC janitor "changed his story 11 times" like you've been asked to do five different times in this thread.
I want justice for the victims and you are happy for their deaths to be used as political capital to justify a war based on lies. I think that explains which of us is disrespecting the victims.
I'm interested in you proving the WTC janitor "changed his story 11 times" like you've been asked to do five different times in this thread.
Me too. I'm wondering why this guy even tells so many massive lies about 9/11 in the first place. He follows you into every thread with exactly the same bullshit.
If interacting with him is loosing it's appeal, consider disengaging. You've already won anyway.
His troll personality is designed to be the lowest most contemptible kind of person imaginable. He is a 911 Truther Totalitarian-Socialist Ant-Semite Grammar-Nazi whose arguments consist of lies and insults and whose character strategy is to be a consistent hypocrite.
You should not engage him if you begin to take him seriously because that's what he wants, and he isn't taking it seriously.
There is nothing to win. Either you accept the evidence proving the official narrative is false or you refuse to accept it. Whichever option you pick, the evidence is still going to be there proving that the official narrative is false.
He is a 911 Truther Totalitarian-Socialist Ant-Semite Grammar-Nazi whose arguments consist of lies and insults
The irony in this sentence is not just spectacular, it is borderline cataclysmic. You are slinging wild, unsupported personal attacks and completely ignoring the evidence which forms the basis for his thread.
You are a thoroughly dishonest Israeli Zionist liar, who equates all criticism of Israeli policy with antisemitism, and the ONLY reason you are even here making ad hominem personal attacks in the first place is because Quantumhead linked this story and you didn't like it:-
THERE was ruin and terror in Manhattan, but, over the Hudson River in New Jersey, a handful of men were dancing.
As the World Trade Centre burned and crumpled, the five men celebrated and filmed the worst atrocity ever committed on American soil as it played out before their eyes.
Who do you think they were? Palestinians? Saudis? Iraqis, even? Al-Qaeda, surely? Wrong on all counts. They were Israelis - and at least two of them were Israeli intelligence agents, working for Mossad, the equivalent of MI6 or the CIA.
Furthermore, you deceitful little Israeli propagadist, I did some research of my own when he linked that story, and found the FBI report on the arrest and detention of these Israelis:-
1) Explosives traces, "positive result" yielded by "trained bomb-sniffing dog", Sivan and Paul Kurzberg / Ellner / Shmuel / Marmari / Urban Moving Systems white van.
2) Eyewitness, Israelis in jovial mood, hugging, high-fiving, filming atop white van shortly after first impact.
3) Israelis, "visibly happy on nearly all" of the photographs.
4) Kurzberg, Sivan, proven lie, claimed went on Urban's roof after first impact, then "caught in heavy traffic", then at Doric between 10:00am and 12:00pm.
5) Shmuel, Yaron, proven lie, claimed to have been on the "West Side Highway" (Route 9A in New York City)
6) Urban Moving Systems, a "possible fraudulent operation" that exhibited "little evidence of a legitimate business operation."
7) Urban Moving Systems, Israeli nationals' unscheduled trip to vicinity of the "Flight 93" crash site in the early hours of 9/11.
8) Eyewitness, Israelis had a video camera, were "panning the area".
9) Ellner, Oded, revealed that the advantage of filming from Doric Towers was that it provided "a view of the entire length of both towers", even though they went there before the South Tower was hit.
10) Ellner, Oded, proven lie, claimed to have stopped at a Gulf gas station after hearing of first plane crash but before being seen "celebrating" and filming at Doric Towers.
11) Urban Moving Systems, Israeli employee said, "Give us twenty years and we'll take over your media and destroy your country".
12) The number of discrepancies in the statements made by the five (5) Israelis continues to increase.
13) FBI-NK noted the unusually large number of computers relative to the number of employees for such a fairly small business. Further investigation identified several pseudo-names or aliases associated with Urban Moving Systems and its operations.
14) During the search conducted by the WPD, it was revealed that the building and all of its contents had been abandoned by the owner of Urban Moving Systems.
15) Denials and deception over the alleged usage of a video camera.
16) Noticeably positive reaction demonstrated by the Israeli detainees to the explosions at WTC.
So it appears your own Israel special intelligence services were directly involved in the 9/11 attacks. Why don't you go right ahead and tell us how antisemitic that evidence is, you total fucking joke?
Thanks for linking all that stuff, Bonemaster. I'm sure Amarel has a thoroughly convincing alternative explanation for it which involves you being a Jew hater on a personal mission to destroy poor innocent Israel.
Thanks for linking all that stuff, Bonemaster. I'm sure Amarel has a thoroughly convincing alternative explanation for it which involves you being a Jew hater on a personal mission to destroy poor innocent Israel.
It isn't even the first time they've done it, Q. That's what gets me.
The Lavon Affair refers to a failed Israeli covert operation, code named Operation Susannah, conducted in Egypt in the Summer of 1954.[vague] As part of the false flag operation,[1] a group of Egyptian Jews were recruited by Israeli military intelligence to plant bombs inside Egyptian, American, and British-owned civilian targets, cinemas, libraries and American educational centers. The bombs were timed to detonate several hours after closing time. The attacks were to be blamed on the Muslim Brotherhood, Egyptian Communists, "unspecified malcontents" or "local nationalists" with the aim of creating a climate of sufficient violence and instability to induce the British government to retain its occupying troops in Egypt's Suez Canal zone.
Hi Amarel, you're correct this guy is nasty low piece of work ,ignoring him is indeed the best option.
What annoys me about a troll like this is his obvious enjoyment at continuing to spout his nonsense without a care for the families who lost loved ones in 9/11
Annoying you is the point. That's why he only accepts long invalidated sources and debunked stories while claiming all legitimate sources are part of the big lie.
Don't get too offended on behalf of 911 families. They have known about these types for years. They aren't reading it.
Quantum is pissing all over the unfortunate victims of 9/11
Yep. Wanting justice for innocent people who were murdered by their own government and used as a pretext for a pre-planned war is "pissing all over the victims". It is honestly like you got your education direct from Hitler.
You are wasting your time Q. These people would not believe you if you had a signed declaration from God. They have invested their entire lives in a lie which they don't have the mental capacity to question.
Nobody cares what you think, mate. You're a halfwit. You are literally more stupid than a rogue chicken McNugget. The very fact that you are spending Christmas night trying to upset other people is evidence that nobody in the world loves you.
How many times do you really need to made out for the fool you are ? One more time i am going to show you what a fool you are !
THE PRESIDENT: Good evening. Tonight, I can report to the American people and to the world that the United States has conducted an operation that killed Osama bin Laden, the leader of al Qaeda, and a terrorist who’s responsible for the murder of thousands of innocent men, women, and children.
It was nearly 10 years ago that a bright September day was darkened by the worst attack on the American people in our history. The images of 9/11 are seared into our national memory -- hijacked planes cutting through a cloudless September sky; the Twin Towers collapsing to the ground; black smoke billowing up from the Pentagon; the wreckage of Flight 93 in Shanksville, Pennsylvania, where the actions of heroic citizens saved even more heartbreak and destruction.
And yet we know that the worst images are those that were unseen to the world. The empty seat at the dinner table. Children who were forced to grow up without their mother or their father. Parents who would never know the feeling of their child’s embrace. Nearly 3,000 citizens taken from us, leaving a gaping hole in our hearts.
On September 11, 2001, in our time of grief, the American people came together. We offered our neighbors a hand, and we offered the wounded our blood. We reaffirmed our ties to each other, and our love of community and country. On that day, no matter where we came from, what God we prayed to, or what race or ethnicity we were, we were united as one American family.
We were also united in our resolve to protect our nation and to bring those who committed this vicious attack to justice. We quickly learned that the 9/11 attacks were carried out by al Qaeda -- an organization headed by Osama bin Laden, which had openly declared war on the United States and was committed to killing innocents in our country and around the globe. And so we went to war against al Qaeda to protect our citizens, our friends, and our allies.
Over the last 10 years, thanks to the tireless and heroic work of our military and our counter terrorism professionals, we’ve made great strides in that effort. We’ve disrupted terrorist attacks and strengthened our homeland defense. In Afghanistan, we removed the Taliban government, which had given bin Laden and al Qaeda safe haven and support. And around the globe, we worked with our friends and allies to capture or kill scores of al Qaeda terrorists, including several who were a part of the 9/11 plot.
I don't think that the evidence really needs talking about or considering. Everyone with any knowledge or understanding of the situation knows that 9/11 was not an inside job.
There are a multitude of conspiracy theories ranging from "they let it happen" to "they blew up the towers". Like all other conspiracy theories, they are mostly just speculative assertions dressed up as "theories", that often are incoherent when it came to other facts and information.
Most specifically, the idea that an administration, or individuals would go through an insanely convoluted plot, involving hijacking or faked planes, potential involvement of ATC and the military to achieve a variety of different goals depending on which conspiracy theorist you talk to, when they could have just, say, done something far simpler involving fewer people and less chance of being revealed: like a Gas attack, or a dirty bomb; or just a large conventional explosive.
You have to treat reading through a conspiracy theory like a film script or book: does it have plot holes? is it believable? Are the characters motivations compatible with their actions?
In almost all cases, such theories utterly fail.
But in reality, the issue is quite understandable; I can appreciate why people feel the need to blame 9/11 on an inside force. It's really scary not to be in control, to realize that there are people that want to kill you and you can simply be in an office one day, or on a plane, and end up dying horribly because the government isn't capable of protecting you.
To regain this sense of control, many people buy into conspiracy theories; that the government is out to get them but they are prepared because they know about it! It's mostly just an emotional defense mechanism which is quite understandable in todays scary world.
Everyone with any knowledge or understanding of the situation knows that the Earth is flat.
Ah, the appeal to an invisible almighty authority argument. A favourite among liars, religious leaders and politicians.
You are retarded and this is very demonstrable. An administration staffed with proven pathological liars told you a theory about a conspiracy of cave-dwelling Muslim kamikaze pilots. This conspiracy theory has never been proven and this conspiracy theory is contrary to much of the evidence and research. But if anybody disputes this conspiracy theory they are met with aggressively stupid American idiots such as yourself, who spend two hours and five paragraphs accusing them of being conspiracy theorists.
Let me repeat that again so it sinks in. In your Mickey Mouse version of reality, if I challenge or question your conspiracy theory, I am to be attacked and discredited on the grounds that I am a conspiracy theorist.
And you wonder why people accuse you of being stupid. Really?
You are a matter of a pointless existence. You literally sit here 24 hours a day insulting people with whichever random words enter your infantile mind. If you died tomorrow nobody would even miss you.
Ah, the appeal to an invisible almighty authority argument. A favourite among liars, religious leaders and politicians.
Actually no; If you pay attention, I point out the most obvious way the conspiracy theory fails.
You are retarded and this is very demonstrable.
Ok! Let's see
An administration staffed with proven pathological liars told you a theory about a conspiracy of cave-dwelling Muslim kamikaze pilots. This conspiracy theory has never been proven and this conspiracy theory is contrary to much of the evidence and research.
You said demonstrable: this is you just asserting that the administration are liars, and that the idea that al queda did this is crazy, and there is lots of evidence and research that supports it.
But let's wait, maybe you demonstrate it later.
But if anybody disputes this conspiracy theory they are met with aggressively stupid American idiots such as yourself, who spend two hours and five paragraphs accusing them of being conspiracy theorists.
Im not American. Also, I explained why the conspiracy theory fails.
Let me repeat that again so it sinks in. In your Mickey Mouse version of reality, if I challenge or question your conspiracy theory, I am to be attacked and discredited on the grounds that I am a conspiracy theorist.
This is incorrect, while I wasn't personally attacking you, it seems it hit a nerve: I pointed out what makes the conspiracy unbelievable.
You haven't referenced that explanation at all yet.
And you wonder why people accuse you of being stupid. Really?
Thus far, you haven't addressed anything I said: you asserted you were correct and that I am being unfair.
I will repeat:
There are a multitude of conspiracy theories ranging from "they let it happen" to "they blew up the towers". Like all other conspiracy theories, they are mostly just speculative assertions dressed up as "theories", that often are incoherent when it came to other facts and information.
Most specifically, the idea that an administration, or individuals would go through an insanely convoluted plot, involving hijacking or faked planes, potential involvement of ATC and the military to achieve a variety of different goals depending on which conspiracy theorist you talk to, when they could have just, say, done something far simpler involving fewer people and less chance of being revealed: like a Gas attack, or a dirty bomb; or just a large conventional explosive.
You have to treat reading through a conspiracy theory like a film script or book: does it have plot holes? is it believable? Are the characters motivations compatible with their actions?
In almost all cases, such theories utterly fail.
This was the core of my position, and ignored by you.
Actually no; If you pay attention, I point out the most obvious way the conspiracy theory fails
I have just explained that you are the one who believes the conspiracy theory and I am the one disputing that conspiracy theory. Stop ignoring when other people disprove what you say. Your long walls of nonsense are just as retarded today as they were three days ago when you were trying to convince people that DNA and the genetic code are the same thing. You are a sad narcissistic retard with no respect for truth or honesty, and you have absolutely nothing to offer this debate. Nothing other than idiotic, self-contradictory, rambling nonsense.
I don't think that the evidence really needs talking about or considering.
Yeah, but that's because you're a fucking idiot. You start by saying let's ignore the evidence, and then write 2,000 words like your empty-headed opinion is more important. What a joker.
What an excellent and well thought argument. I'm sure Socrates would applaud you're well reasoned argument that ignores most of what I just said.
Let's put it this way.
The 9/11 conspiracy theories taken indépendant unrelated facts, and builds them into a narrative based on speculation and opinion: it has the typical property of a conspiracy theory in that ANY evidence that refutes the position is immediately spun as lies by the conspirators: it allows free wheeling insanity where you can ignore evidence that proves you wrong without providing any reasons.
I mean, half the evidence from the government, the FBI, multiple countries, the 9/11 committee and congressional investigations all indicate you are wrong.
However, you and those like you simply dismiss all of this out of hand: you have no evidence or genuine reason to believe that they are all wrong, it's just inconvenient to you if they aren't, and as such you simply ignore such evidence as "the government lie" of "this inconsistency in what one person said 5 years ago indicates that tens of thousands of government people are lying".
That's why it's not worth talking about evidence: it's pretty clear that evidence is actually irrelevant when you're dealing with this sort of illogical nonesense.
However, the main issue is that you're using your "facts" and "evidence" to weave a conspiracy narrative, similar to every other: tens if not hundreds of thousands of people were involved in some weird complex and embellished plot for reasons.
The point is that you spend so much time trying to spin these facts to produce your desired narrative you forget how absurd and incoherent the narrative as a whole actually is.
That was my point! But I'm glad you decided to ignore a contrary opinion and leapt straight into calling people idiots without any sort of detailed argument: it really helps highlight those who are interested in truth vs introduced at chest thumping their own opinion.
What an excellent and well thought argument. I'm sure Socrates would applaud you're well reasoned argument that ignores most of what I just said.
I'm sure Socrates (or indeed any of the great philosophers) would think you are a bit of an idiot to invoke his name in the same sentence you demonstrate that you do not understand the difference between a possessive pronoun (i.e. "your") and the contraction of "you" and "are" (i.e. "you're"). You are launching into aggressive tirades of personal abuse and fallacy without even understanding the fundamentals of your own language. Socrates would tell you that you are a complete and utter retard.
The 9/11 conspiracy theories
This Freudian projection bullshit you keep trying to con people with has been rebutted three times within this very thread. When people dispute the unproven theory of an al Qaeda conspiracy, you are attacking them with the two word buzz phrase, "conspiracy theorist". You keep repeating the words "conspiracy theorist" and "conspiracy theories" at them over and over and over again in the belief it will somehow discredit any evidence you are provided with that your own conspiracy theory is false, didn't happen, and contradicts the basic laws of Newtonian mechanics.
I mean, half the evidence from the government, the FBI, multiple countries, the 9/11 committee and congressional investigations all indicate you are wrong.
You are telling absolutely massive lies. Within this thread you have been supplied with a wealth of evidence that your conspiracy theory is false. Whenever this happens, you inevitably reference a mythical treasure chest full of evidence which apparently refutes all of my evidence, only the catch is that it is invisible and you are unable to show any of it:-
FBI Admits – No Evidence Links Accused Hijackers to 911 Plot
Not very stupid. We watched the planes fly into the buildings live, there are thousands of personal recordings of the event from un-numbered angles, and every hijacker was a Muslim from Saudi Arabia except for one who was from Egypt. Hundreds of people were called by loved ones who were actually on the hijacked planes, and they said the hijackers were Muslim terrorists. Some of these exact men who piloted the planes had taken flight lessons in the U.S. and are now dead. They didn't die to help with an "inside job". It wouldn't even make sense. They died in a holy jihad crusade because in the Quran the only 100 % guarantee into Jannah (Heaven) is to kill infidels and be killed, aka martyrdom.
If you want to claim that an attack on the World Trade Centers is an automatic call to war or a conspiracy, you are contradicted in that in 1993, the Trade Centers were attacked prior to 9/11, and guess by who? Al Queda, aka Islamic terrorists, and on Bill Clinton's watch. No war was started over that particular bombing of the WTC's. It just proves that jihadists wanted to take down skyscrapers pre 9/11, and they wanted to take down skyscrapers during 9/11, and also that they would like to take down even more skyscrapers right this second if we give them half a chance to.
Yes bronto, nobody is denying that happened. Try to stay focused.
there are thousands of personal recordings of the event from un-numbered angles
See above.
every hijacker was a Muslim from Saudi Arabia except for one who was from Egypt.
No. You were TOLD every hijacker was a Muslim from Saudi Arabia, and this should have raised alarms immediately, since all the witnesses to the alleged hijackings were dead. If everybody who was actually there and could tell you what happened is dead, then why on Earth would you think people who weren't there could tell you exactly what happened and exactly who was involved? Do things like this even cross your mind or do you just gobble up the incredible bullshit they feed you in your backward country without ever thinking about it critically?
The fact is you have absolutely no fucking idea who hijacked those planes, if they were even hijacked at all, and, if so, which religion the hijackers followed. The only place you ever got your information from was the American media, which in turn got it from the very same people lying to you. You have done no research of your own into the matter and those hijackers could have been Hindus, Jews or even atheists for all you know.
If you actually did some research you would find that at least six of the men purported to be the 9/11 hijackers are confirmed to be still alive and had absolutely nothing to do with it. Their passports were stolen and used by unknown third parties.
The Saudi Airlines pilot, Saeed Al-Ghamdi, 25, and Abdulaziz Al-Omari, an engineer from Riyadh, are furious that the hijackers' "personal details" - including name, place, date of birth and occupation - matched their own.
A new report accuses the State Department of STAGGERING lapses in its visa program that gave Sept. 11 hijackers entry into the United States.
The political journal National Review obtained the visa applications for 15 of the 19 hijackers — and evidence that ALL OF THEM should have been denied entry to the country.
But you just keep believing everything you get told without ever questioning it, buddy. That's how you became a Christian after all, isn't it? The possibility that someone might have been clever enough to use Muslims deliberately to create a false narrative doesn't even enter your tiny little mind.
Yes, definitely. They let 15 terrorist hijackers into America and gave them all full US VISAs by pure coincidence, despite the fact their forms were "incomplete" and/or "illegible".
Keep drinking the gatorade. I hear it's real tasty over there.
