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Examining a list of Bible Contradictions

Contradiction -  con·tra·dic·tion

“noun \ˌkän-trə-ˈdik-shən\

: the act of saying something that is opposite or very different in meaning to something else

: a difference or disagreement between two things which means that both cannot be true”

 -http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/contradiction

 

I chose the perspectives format in order to list each contradiction separately.

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4 points

It's impossible to convince a devoted Christian that there are contradiction in the bible they will simply just twist the words to fit their view.

2 points

I know, I know... "Every individual Christian is the self appointed expert, and every non christian just needs to study more/ doesnt have the holy ghost."

I think I more or less just wanted to see how good some people were at dodging and leaping over obstacles.

Lolzors93 has proven to be an adept acrobat. Bravo Lolzors

I realize there’s no real point in debating someone who doesn’t question their own data or objectively analyze the data that is presented to them in opposition. But its sometimes amusing to see the roaches scramble when you reveal the light to them.

1 point

EXO 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.

ROM 15:33 Now the God of peace be with you all. Amen.

lolzors93(3225) Disputed
1 point

Can God not make war upon evil, but be at peace with those whom He loves? He instills a heart of peace in the hearts of man, for those whom He has chosen to love Him; and He makes war upon evil. This is not a contradiction.

3 points

It doesn't say that in the quotes. You're basically adding your own words to the Bible to try and justify your belief in it.

Coldfire(1014) Disputed
1 point

Yes. But its still a contradiction to say "he is a god of war" and "he is a god of peace," is it not?

Maybe if you dont see the contradiction, would you at least agree that its an inconsistency?

Vincent_F(28) Disputed
1 point

Seriously guys, the contradictions and problems come in the translations. In the original languages (Hebrew, Aramaic, and Koine Greek) the meaning of each word in the Bible was very clear and could not be confused. When translated into English, these words become less clear and easier to take out of context.

For instance, many times in the Bible, it says to "Fear the Lord." This creates a lot of controversy as many people will argue that a God who is loving would not ask us to be afraid of him.

When taken back to the original language, the Greek word for this is YIRAH which actually means a respectful recognition of power. The best way we can translate in the English to display this word is "fear" but not meaning in the most commonly used context of "being afraid."

This shows how many people misunderstand concepts in the Bible. You cannot just take two English verses in the Bible and say that they contradict without looking at the original meanings, historical timeline, and original context that the Bible was written in. Before you make such a statement, study using theological methods extensively and you will see that the Bible has no contradictions.

1 point

I think it is difficult to take textual contradictions between the "books" of the bible as definitions, context, historical timing, etc. are different and make it hard to objectively challenge subjective writings.

Jace(5222) Clarified
1 point

I should think that its sheer subjectivity alone is more than adequate ground to objectively challenge it.

1 point

GE 1:11-12, 26-27 Trees were created before man was created.

GE 2:4-9 Man was created before trees were created.

GE 1:20-21, 26-27 Birds were created before man was created.

GE 2:7, 19 Man was created before birds were created.

GE 1:24-27 Animals were created before man was created.

GE 2:7, 19 Man was created before animals were created.

GE 1:26-27 Man and woman were created at the same time.

GE 2:7, 21-22 Man was created first, woman sometime later.

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lolzors93(3225) Disputed
1 point

GE 1:11-12, 26-27 Trees were created before man was created.

GE 2:4-9 Man was created before trees were created.

Genesis 2:5-6 "When no bush of the field[a] was yet in the land[b] and no small plant of the field had yet sprung up—for the Lord God had not caused it to rain on the land, and there was no man to work the ground, and a mist[c] was going up from the land and was watering the whole face of the ground—" This does not say that plants have not been created. Why were there no bushes or plant thats have sprung up? It was because there had been no rain, nor man to work the field.

This is not a contradiction.

GE 1:20-21, 26-27 Birds were created before man was created.

GE 2:7, 19 Man was created before birds were created.

GE 1:24-27 Animals were created before man was created.

GE 2:7, 19 Man was created before animals were created.

There are two answers to this:

1) Genesis 2:19a says, "Now out of the ground the Lord God had formed[f] every beast of the field and every bird of the heavens and brought them to the man to see what he would call them." The "had formed" is a perfect tense, which means that at that moment, the animals had already been formed.

2) Genesis 2:19 is specifically for the Garden. Genesis 2:18 says, "Then the Lord God said, 'It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a helper fit for[e] him.'" It could be that God made all the animals again.

I favor the first.

This is not a contradiction.

GE 1:26-27 Man and woman were created at the same time.

GE 2:7, 21-22 Man was created first, woman sometime later.

Genesis 1 is a summation. Genesis 2 is an elaboration of Genesis 1. This is not a contradiction.

There are no contradictions in the Bible. Think critically.

Cartman(18192) Disputed
1 point

I don't like this one as a contradiction. I don't think there is an order specified in GE 2. It talks about what God already did, and how it was always designed for humans. And for created woman later, in GE 1 it explains that God created both male and female in the same day, not with the same exact action.

1 point

EX 34:6, DT 7:9-10, TS 1:2 God is faithful and truthful. He does not lie.

2TH 2:11-12 God deludes people, making them believe what is false, so as to be able to condemn them.

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lolzors93(3225) Disputed
1 point

Titus 1:2 - "in hope of eternal life, which God, who never lies, promised before the ages began"

Deuteronomy 7:9-10 - "Know therefore that the Lord your God is God, the faithful God who keeps covenant and steadfast love with those who love him and keep his commandments, to a thousand generations, and repays to their face those who hate him, by destroying them. He will not be slack with one who hates him. He will repay him to his face."

Exodus 34:6 - "The Lord passed before him and proclaimed, 'The Lord, the Lord, a God merciful and gracious, slow to anger, and abounding in steadfast love and faithfulness,'"

2 Thessalonians 2:11-12 - "Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness."

2 Thessalonians is a passage about those who have fallen prey to the lawless one (i.e. the beast; a.k.a. the "anti-Christ"). God is faithful to His people. 2 Thessalonians is talking about those who are not His people.

There is no contradiction here. There are no contradictions in the Bible.

Coldfire(1014) Disputed
1 point

I’m sorry; I thought it was pretty clear when it said "who never lies" that God does not lie. I didn't know there were exceptions to that, thanks for clarifying it.

At any rate, it should have read “God sometimes lies,” at least then it wouldn’t be… a lie.

1 point

LE 25:37, PS 15:1, 5 It is wrong to lend money at interest.

MT 25:27, LK 19:23-27 It is wrong to lend money without interest.

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lolzors93(3225) Disputed
1 point

LE 25:37, PS 15:1, 5 It is wrong to lend money at interest.

Leviticus 25:37 "You shall not lend him your money at interest, nor give him your food for profit."

Psalm 15:5 - "who does not put out his money at interest"

The idea in these two passages is that one is not to give out money to others expecting one to give more back. What they are saying is evil is a type of money collector from those mob movies: he gives money to the person, who then owes him more money in return.

MT 25:27, LK 19:23-27 It is wrong to lend money without interest.

These are parables of the same idea: what God has given to us, we are to use for His glory, not to keep it hidden and un-availed.

This is not a contradiction. There are no contradictions in the Bible.

1 point

NU 15:24-28 Sacrifices can, in at least some case, take away sin.

HE 10:11 They never take away sin.

lolzors93(3225) Disputed
1 point

Hebrews 9:23 - " Thus it was necessary for the copies of the heavenly things to be purified with these rites, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these."

The things of Old were reflections of the true things, namely Christ. Old Testament law was insufficient for the taking away of sins.

There is no contradiction here. There are none in the Bible.

1 point

DT 7:9-10 God destroys his enemies.

MT 5:39-44 Do not resist your enemies. Love them.

I know we are not god (and in some cases we are?) so this may not be considered a contradiction, but it sure as hell hypocritical.

lolzors93(3225) Disputed
1 point

God's ways are higher than our ways. James 1:20 says, "for the anger of man does not produce the righteousness of God." The idea is that God can righteously hate and be angry with people, though man cannot, for the most part, do the same.

Another point is this: God does love everyone at least in a certain sense, and in the sense to which Jesus is referring here. Jesus did not resist his enemies even to the point of dying on the cross, but once judgement comes, then He will righteousness destroy them.

Coldfire(1014) Disputed
1 point

God's ways are higher than our ways

A useful dodge for christians who don't understand how to deal with the conflict between what the bible SAYS vs what they WISH it said.

lol, your no apologist... you're just really good at dodging and cherry picking.

something good happens... glory to god.

something bad happens... blame the devil/man

something bad happens... it was meant to be/gods ways are not our ways.

The only thing you've successfully proven is that no one knows this God of yours... not even yourself.

1 point

1SA 31:4-6 Saul killed himself by falling on his sword.

2SA 1:2-10 Saul, at his own request, was slain by an Amalekite.

2SA 21:12 Saul was killed by the Philistines on Gilboa.

1CH 10:13-14 Saul was slain by God.

3 points

Saul was killed by a half Amelekite half Philistine who was under the control of God and stole Saul's sword. Boom, no contradiction. :)

lolzors93(3225) Disputed
1 point

1SA 31:4-6 Saul killed himself by falling on his sword.

2SA 1:2-10 Saul, at his own request, was slain by an Amalekite.

The Amalekite is lying... haha, and Saul took his own life.

2SA 21:12 Saul was killed by the Philistines on Gilboa.

The word in Hebrew doesn't necessarily mean "slain" but it can mean "wound." Saul was wounded by the Philistines.

1CH 10:13-14 Saul was slain by God.

God works through men, and He ordained everything to happen.

There is no contradiction here. There are none in the Bible.

Cartman(18192) Disputed
2 points

The Amalekite is lying... haha, and Saul took his own life.

Which means the passage is a contradiction. It is basically insignificant, but the Amalekite can't be telling the truth because it contradicts another passage in the Bible. You only know he is lying because it contradicts the other passage. But, it would make sense for the guy to lie, so it doesn't really change how the Bible should be perceived.

1 point

II Kings 8:26 "Two and twenty years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign."

vs.

II Chronicles 22:2 "Forty and two years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign."

lolzors93(3225) Disputed
1 point

2 Kings 8:26 - "Ahaziah was twenty-two years old when he began to reign, and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. His mother's name was Athaliah, the granddaughter of Omri."

2 Chronicles 22:2 - "Ahaziah was twenty-two years old when he began to reign, and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. His mother's name was Athaliah, the granddaughter of Omri."

Now, I will admit that the Hebrew says 42. This does not prove the Bible as wrong, though. Why? Because inerrancy is only argued for in the originals, not the copies: we don't say all translations to English are inherent, and we don't say that all translations in that same language (i.e. copies) are the inherent. The Septuagint has it recorded correctly, and consistently, as 22. In Hebrew, number recording is very easy to copy down incorrectly, on accident.

Coldfire(1014) Disputed
1 point

If Hebrews is a book included in the Bible, and within that book there is an inconsistency with what was written previously. Regardless of that inconsistency being known as a typo... it is still a "contradiction in the bible,” is it not?

You may argue that it isn't contradictory to what was in original text, or isn't contradictory to God's Word, but as long as the Bible is printed with that inconsistency, it is a "contradiction in the bible" as are many more of these that you so easily dodge and slide by through your adding and taking away of words to fit your needs.

Which brings me to another issue: why is it that if the bible doesn’t have any contradictions as you claim, it requires special knowledge and "spiritual guidance" to see that? Why is it that to the laymen, it is rather apparent that there are contradictions until someone like you comes along to show them the "truth" to the mysterious hidden meaning that God saw fit to bless only yourself with?

1 point

II Samuel 6:23 "Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child unto the day of her death."

vs.

II Samuel 21:8 "But the king took the two sons of Rizpah . . . and the five sons of Michal the daughter of Saul."

lolzors93(3225) Disputed
1 point

II Samuel 6:23 "Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child unto the day of her death."

vs.

II Samuel 21:8 "But the king took the two sons of Rizpah . . . and the five sons of Michal the daughter of Saul."

There are two ways in this. The same as I said before: mis-copy, since there are Hebrew copies that have "Merab" along with the Septuagint, which also has "Merab."

That being said, there is a really easy way to understand this: Michal had 5 kids before the point in the story in which it was said that she had no children. If I have kids, and then my wife dies, not allowing me to procreate any more, one could say at the moment: "And lolzors93 had no child to the day of her death." Its perfectly consistent.

Coldfire(1014) Disputed
1 point

It’s perfectly consistent.

Yes. any claim can be made perfectly consistent when you add or take away words to fit your needs.

If it is a typo, until that typo is corrected, the statement "the bible has contradiction(s)" is a true statement.

Whether you want to argue "not god’s word" is irrelevant.

Furthermore; if it is true that it is a miss-copy of original text. How certain are you that your special insight that God gave you to explain away inconsistencies isn't just your own desire to make sense of something that is clearly fraught with human error?