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Explain origin of life. How did it begin? Then how did it progress?

 I want to know the beginning process of life. So explain the foundation. In the beginning .... then life ...

How did it form? How did it sheild itself to continue. And how did the first formed animals begin? And also how nature was banced in the process. 

Please no links. Give me the technical basics of the beginning of life and the delicate balancing of it as evolution continued. Or whatever you view creation etc...

Im speaking of life. Living things! So you can start with whatever you think happened, but I am looking for the process of llife from the beginning!
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Well, that's easy.

God made Adam, then Eve.

These two did naughty things behind the apple tree in the Garden of Eden and had two children, Cain and Abel.

From that point onwards things progressed rapidly and their 7.5 billion descendents all lived happily everafter.

Saintnow(3684) Clarified
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dumb .

JustIgnoreMe(4290) Clarified
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Adam had kids with a woman made from his rib, and then Cain had children with his sister, and then...

KNHav(1957) Disputed
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Tell me how you think it really was. Or does evolution have a problem with the beginning?

KNHav(1957) Disputed
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Tell me how you think it really was. Or does evolution have a problem with the beginning?

SlapShot(2608) Clarified
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Evolution has no problem with "the beginning" as you put it, since it does not address that issue. Rather, it explains in a proven and observed and documented step-by-step process how life on this planet evolved. Evolution is more than one fact, since it is a "theory" which is actually a collection of proven facts that have been tested and never disproven. Loo it up...in science we use the term "theory" far differently, and with much more gravitas that the word is used by laymen in everyday parlance.

As far as the beginning, you're speaking of abiogenesis, which is one of the hypotheses of how life began on this planet. I could give you the most popular version of this, but you're not interested. If you were you would have researched it yourself long ago.

Unlike you religious zealots, in science we are not content with not knowing the answers. We do not rely on Bronze Age fables as an excuse to quite using our knowledge and brains in search of answers. This is why science has made your life far better and longer than the one your ancestors had. It is thanks to science that you are able to do this debate on your computer in the first place. You accept the many many advances of science in your life every single day. Except in the case of Evolution, when you throw it aside--while not even knowing the basics of it--just because it flies in the face of your supersitio.....oops, religion.

But one thing is beyond certainty: life was not created by some Hebrew sky god in one week. Nor was first woman created from a rib of first man (really?). Nor was man first cobbled together from a pile of mud.

Jeez, I felt brain cells dying as I typed those last couple sentences. How can you stand it? Amazing, really.

But as far as giving you a synopsis in the tenets of abiogenesis or panspermia or Evolution, I'll pass. I get paid for what I do and I save my teachings for those truly interested in the topic. Which you decidedly are not, or you wouldn't be so clueless on the matter.

But at least you're asking, even if it is in a sarcastic and superfluous way. I can only hope that you are finally begining to see the absurdity of your religious beliefs and maybe are beginning to realize that the true answers to the big questions can be found in science, and not in Hebrew Mythology.

Yeah...I would like to believe that. Many religious folks ARE beginning to come out of the dark smothering cloak of fantasy and peek into the world of Science and Knowledge. This is why they're leaving the churches in droves. And why within our lifetimes religious fundamentalism will be swept into the same corner as astrology and Tarot cards.

But I ain't holding mt breath on you coming around. Your past posts show you to be too far gone. Shame. But should you continue to show a true interest in real science, perhaps I can offer you some insights.

SS

http://www.livescience.com/21491-what-is-a-scientific-theory-definition-of-theory.html

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Scientifically we don't know the origin of life. But of course there is nothing wrong with looking at it from a religious perspective. There are many different creation myths and you can choose which one to believe. But it is very clear from the tremendous amount of evidence that evolution is what made it progress. And you can easily believe in both evolution and religion.

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
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scientifically, it makes no sense to believe life can come from non-living matter, or to believe that mindless matter gives rise to intelligence/consciousness. It is a scientific fact that to believe either of these two things your basket has to be missing a few weaves.

Atrag(5556) Disputed
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scientifically, it makes no sense to believe life can come from non-living matter, or to believe that mindless matter gives rise to intelligence/consciousness. It is a scientific fact that to believe either of these two things your basket has to be missing a few weaves.

So you believe evolution doesn't love you.

Saintnow(3684) Clarified
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You can believe God created the first living cell and caused it to evolve into the monkey who was grampa to your granny, but that would be silly. Why would God want to do that, and watch everything die for billions of years? That's goofy. You really have to be religious to believe stuff like that, a make it up as you go along brand of religion

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You can believe God created the first living cell and caused it to evolve into the monkey who was grampa to your granny, but that would be silly.

Exactly, that would be silly - because you don't need God to create the first cell.

KeepSmiling(54) Disputed
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it is logical for life to come from non-living matter. All the cells, enzymes etc. could have come out of something. We just don't know what it is yet. And why would God choose evolution? Because that is how he comes up with ideas. Or maybe he enjoyed watching everything evolve.

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
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Scientifically, we observe that living things come from living things, and the logical conclusion is that living things came from the living God based on the fact that living things do not come from non-living matter be it organic or inorganic. Science and logic together point to our Creator. Evolutionary belief is to bury ones head in the sand and write books about your hallucinations and make cartoon animations depicting your beliefs and declare you have proven that your gramma's grandpa was a monkey.

KeepSmiling(54) Disputed
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So it's not logical for life to come out of non-living matter but it is logical for your god to come out of nothing. Makes sense...not.

Cartman(18192) Disputed
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Evolutionary belief says nothing about God. Who says God has nothing to do with evolution? Christians who claim they believe in God. Funny, right?

KeepSmiling(54) Disputed
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Have you heard of Deism? You may find that interesting. And living things can could come out of non-living matter. And science does not point to a creator. Science explores how things are made naturally not supernaturally. And you really, REALLY need to look at the evidence for evolution because obviously you haven't and just want to take the easy route out and ignore it. Millions of scientists have witnessed the evidence for evolution.

KNHav(1957) Disputed
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I was looking for something more concrete.

If evolution explain the beginning. If you think something different then please explain your view or "facts" of the beginning of life.

Cartman(18192) Disputed
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If you were looking for something concrete you wouldn't believe in the Bible.

KeepSmiling(54) Disputed
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For the one millionth time. Evolution DOES NOT explain the beginning. It explains how life evolved. I don't have the facts on the beginning of life...no one does! I personally believe that a God created life and then let evolution take place. But that is just my opinion. I wasn't there when life started and there is no scientific evidence that shows what happened so I cannot know how life began.

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Are you willing to admit that it is possible for a living creature to go through 10,000 adaptations?

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
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make it ten trillion and pretend your granny is my monkey's uncle and that would explain why she resembles a a monkey......and there ya go!!!! Now you have pooven evilotion.!!!!! Give that man a PhD in zoologogy, make him a college professor who thinks it's ok for a teacher to "mildly" molest the boys as his teacher did to him and his classmates, call him Dickie Dawkins and give him a big round of applause for excusing your immoralities by evolutionary philoshophy

Cartman(18192) Disputed
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How long have you known that you hate God?

Why is excusing immorality through religion better than excusing immorality through evolution?

KNHav(1957) Disputed
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Are you willing to explain the steps of the beginning?

I was looking for something more concrete.

If evolution explain the beginning. If you think something different then please explain your view or "facts" of the beginning of life.

Cartman(18192) Disputed
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"Then how did it progress?"

You were also interested in the progress.

If you can't admit simple facts no explanation will work, right?

KNHav(1957) Disputed
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No i am not, because the laws of nature will cause the creature to start over again. Losing progress and adaptive memory.

Nature is against nature, with laws of enthropy constantly causing decline it wouldn't be able to form in the environment let alone excell!.

Cartman(18192) Disputed
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How can an all powerful God not have the power to allow for that many adaptations? What limit do you give your God on the number of allowed adaptations?

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Same place your god originated.

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
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God is not a god. You don't know God. The thing you call her "god" is not God, it is s figment of your doped up imagination.

The god you are referring to can be contained in your imagination because it's no bigger than your tiny brain. God cannot be confined or contained in your imagination. That little thing no bigger than your little brain is gone when you say it's gone, but God is still there outside of your imagination, independent of your imagination whether you acknowledge Him or not. Why do you act this way? Because you walk according to your lusts, you are of your father the devil, and the works and lies of your father you will do and speak and you will be home with Him soon if you keep on going the way you are going and you won't like your home.

You need to be saved, you can be saved, God is the Savior and will save you if you repent of all your sin and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.

AMEN!!!!! that's good preaching!

Cartman(18192) Disputed
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You are the expert on fake gods since yours can't even see in 3D.

KNHav(1957) Disputed
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Are you willing to explain the steps of the beginning?

I was looking for something more concrete.

If evolution explain the beginning.

If you think something different then please explain your view or "facts" of the beginning of life.

I am looking for your facts of origin of life.

With all the biology i want to know the beginning of life from your view.

KNHav(1957) Disputed
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I dont need an argument against God. I need a firm reason to think evolution has a valid logical possible beginning.

Please enrich us with profound beginning of the all powerful intelligent process of evolution. The foundation of life and the process from the beginning.

DBCooper(2194) Disputed
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I didn't know asteroids produced children nor did i know space ice dust produced children !

Freezing produces children as well ?

Hell i thought it was getting naked and knocking the bottom out of it that produced children ! Explain your insane thoughts if you will !

DBCooper(2194) Disputed
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If it wasn't for space dust , freeze-thaw cycles and just freezing then no one would inhabit this planet.

Saintnow(3684) Clarified
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hahahahha

So you believe life emerged out of nonliving matter, or you believe it came from space ice with no explainable source, or you believe it came from aliens who are either supernatural or themselves came from something living before them.....round and round and round you go, where you stop, nobody knows. Next you'll be telling us that you are a figment of the Matrix and in reality you exist in another dimension.

God mocks atheists.

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The point is that there are several ways that we can observe organic matter develop from inorganic matter - so, is it possible that it happened - of course.

From the simple can come the complex - observed.

Something far more complex did it and don't worry about where he came from and he's magical and loves you and can do anything, but you go to hell if you don't believe in him and he lets children die because he's mysterious - not exactly compelling for me.

Cartman(18192) Disputed
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"And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."

Can you explain how the dust of the ground is living?

ironskillet(220) Disputed
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To be fair, life from non-living matter is a much more plausible explanation then life suddenly appearing one day due to the whim of a divine being.

KNHav(1957) Disputed
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No I want to know the beginning process of life.

How did it form? How did it sheild itself to continue. And how did the first formed animals begin? And also how nature was banced in the process.

Please no links. Give me the technical basics of the beginning of life and the delicate balancing of it as evolution continued.

Im speaking of life. Living things! So you can start with whatever you think happened, but I am looking for the process of llife from the beginning!

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Living things began when the living God made them live. They did not "progress". They began to fall apart when sin entered into the world through Eve who was deceived and then Adam who knew what he was doing when he rebelled against God because he was too goofy to realize that even though he loved Eve, God would have let her die and made for Adam a new wife. Adam didn't have to do it.

God made man in His own image, then rested. God made woman, and nobody has rested since.

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God said: if you eat from this tree you shall surely die.

The serpent said: if you eat from this tree, you will learn the difference between good and evil.

They ate from the tree - which thing happened?

They learned the difference between good and evil, and Adam lived 930 more years...

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
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They became dead in their sin the moment they rebelled against God. You are dead in your sin. They died in the day they ate of that tree exactly as God told them they would. They were innocent, then they knew good and evil because they had become evil and knew evil by experience and they feared God because of it. You are just like them, but your mind has gone off in deep complexity as you try to cover your nakedness with leaves to hide from God; trying to forget that God is to be feared by sinners. You've gone so far out of touch with reality that you don't even know if you are living in a dream or not.

replication:

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Saintnow(3684) Disputed
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I checked two of these lazy brained references and easily showed from their own words copy and pasted that they are nothing but speculations trying to support belief that life emerged from non living things. It's a joke. I'm sure all of your references are the same because it is not scientific to say life emerged from non-living things, it is a belief which completely ignores science which has found nothing other than living things always have come form living things, and the logical conclusion of scientific observation would be that the originator of living things is the living God.

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
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I checked two of these lazy brained references and easily showed from their own words copy and pasted that they are nothing but speculations trying to support belief that life emerged from non living things. It's a joke. I'm sure all of your references are the same because it is not scientific to say life emerged from non-living things, it is a belief which completely ignores science which has found nothing other than living things always have come form living things, and the logical conclusion of scientific observation would be that the originator of living things is the living God.

KNHav(1957) Disputed
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I dont need an argument against God. I need a firm reason to think evolution has a valid logical possible beginning.

Please enrich us with profound beginning of the all powerful intelligent process of evolution. The foundation of life and the process from the beginning.

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a valid logical possible beginning

I gave you several - now you want me to spoon feed them to you without you clicking on links or reading.

metabolism:

ref

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
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I checked two of these lazy brained references and easily showed from their own words copy and pasted that they are nothing but speculations trying to support belief that life emerged from non living things. It's a joke. I'm sure all of your references are the same because it is not scientific to say life emerged from non-living things, it is a belief which completely ignores science which has found nothing other than living things always have come form living things, and the logical conclusion of scientific observation would be that the originator of living things is the living God.

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
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God mocks atheists, and I find them funny when they try to explain why they believe in the nonsensical notion of life emerging from non-living matter and intelligence/consciousness rising from mindless matter.

I checked two of these lazy brained references and easily showed from their own words copy and pasted that they are nothing but speculations trying to support belief that life emerged from non living things. It's a joke. I'm sure all of your references are the same because it is not scientific to say life emerged from non-living things, it is a belief which completely ignores science which has found nothing other than living things always have come form living things, and the logical conclusion of scientific observation would be that the originator of living things is the living God.

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they are nothing but speculations

No, they are observations that these steps can happen in at least this observed way. They just make clear that just because it happens one way doesn't mean it can't happen another way - and we don't have the video for which method was used billions of years ago.

chirality:

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Saintnow(3684) Disputed
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From one of your two references:

his mirror-image phenomenon — known as chirality or "handedness" — has captured the imagination of a UCLA research group led by Thomas G. Mason,

Hhahahahaha, captured the imagination!!!!!!!!! That's all this stuff is, imagination, trying to fool yourself into believing life emerged from non-living matter and intelligence/concsiousness arose from mindless matter. Look at the big wigs getting paid to promote their imaginations while they pretend their imaginations are scientific.

God mocks atheists no matter what university department they are heads of.

ironskillet(220) Disputed
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It's a phrase. Also, imagination is the foundation for starting theories. Theories start out as imagination, then it is refined into a hypothesis and the evidence for it may even let it become a theory.

Just because you saw the word imagination doesn't instantly mean all credibility is revoked.

Please refrain from grasping at straws.

protocellular compartmentalization:

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Saintnow(3684) Disputed
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hahahahah.......every one of your references is like this, in their own words they are speculations, the logical fallacy of begging the question, and the question is pushed as the truth from the start.

Copy and pasted from your "ref":

"could have mediated this transition" referring to non-living organic matter coming to life is nothing but speculation. It has never been observed and never will be observe not only because it does not happen, it never did happen and common sense tells you that it cannot happen. This never ending mumbo jumbo claiming to be "evidence" of life emerging from non-living matter is a joke.

Abstract

A crucial transition in the origin of life was the emergence of an informational polymer capable of self-replication and its compartmentalization within protocellular structures. We show that the physicochemical properties of ice, a simple medium widespread on a temperate early Earth, could have mediated this transition prior to the advent of membraneous protocells.

ironskillet(220) Disputed
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It is indeed speculation, there's no concrete idea of how life formed, but these things do point us in the right direction.

It is very much evidence of life emerging though, something called deductive reasoning exists. We've seen how biological molecules can form, so it would only take a well timed reaction with some complex molecules to form life.

"A crucial transition in the origin of life was the emergence of an informational polymer capable of self-replication and its compartmentalization within protocellular structures. We show that the physicochemical properties of ice, a simple medium widespread on a temperate early Earth, could have mediated this transition prior to the advent of membraneous protocells."

This sums it up. Could have is important, but just because we're unsure doesn't mean it is impossible. It just means that this is the most likely explanation. Either way, it's much more likely for abiogenesis to occur as opposed to creation 10,000 years ago.

KNHav(1957) Disputed
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Are you willing to explain the steps of the beginning?

I was looking for something more concrete.

If evolution explain the beginning.

If you think something different then please explain your view or "facts" of the beginning of life.

I am looking for your facts of origin of life.

With all the biology i want to know the beginning of life from your view.

Poof, there it is: the heavens and the Earth.

You're welcome.

ironskillet(220) Clarified
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There is proof of Earth existing, but we'd also like an explanation as what you are trying to prove with this evidence.

JustIgnoreMe(4290) Clarified
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did an earth with night and day and fruit trees exist before the sun was created?

Saintnow(3684) Clarified
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Light was created, the first thing created after the heavens and the earth were created. There was light, water, and atmosphere for the plants. They made it just fine until the sun was created. There was evenings and mornings before the sun was created, that may or may not mean the light which was created eminated from one direction. Who knows? Maybe the light was in something like a plasma which oozed around back and forth. You can speculate about a lot of things, there is no reason to disbelieve the six literal days of creation as told in Genesis in the real English Bible, the King James Bible.........well I guess there is one reason you might want to disbelieve the Bible. You might want to believe that your immoralities are excused in death and God is not there to hold you accountable for your crimes.

I don't know what KHAV will reply, she believes in the gap theories like Hugh Ross or some others.

KNHav(1957) Disputed
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I dont need an argument against God. I need a firm reason to think evolution has a valid logical possible beginning.

Please enrich us with profound beginning of the all powerful intelligent process of evolution. The foundation of life and the process from the beginning.Are you willing to explain the steps of the beginning?

I was looking for something more concrete.

If evolution explain the beginning.

If you think something different then please explain your view or "facts" of the beginning of life.

I am looking for your facts of origin of life.

With all the biology i want to know the beginning of life from your view.

Cartman(18192) Disputed
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. I need a firm reason to think evolution has a valid logical possible beginning.

We know that life started because life exists. There you go. No problem.

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Most if not all of these guys are a waste of time. It's fun to debate them because the truth always wins.......but it's mostly a waste of time. There are more effective ways of getting the gospel heard. Fishing in the Dead Sea only gets the hook rusty.

Cartman(18192) Disputed
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I love how you don't realize that the reason there are better ways to get the gospel heard is because the truth always wins and comparing the gospel to evolution causes the truth to be heard and not the gospels.

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I think the best you can do with fools who claim to be convinced that God is not there and they are relieved of their immoralities in death is to mock them and get some laughs. God promises He will mock them if they won't listen to Him, I see nothing wrong with getting some of the best medicine from poking fun at them by telling them the truth. It's a tragic comedy, crying won't help.....might as well get some laughs. Who knows, maybe they will realize they are being fools and start to listen to God's voice.

Cartman(18192) Disputed
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It is fun mocking you until your head explodes. Good point.

KNHav(1957) Disputed
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God will mock you also. And its not going to be a laughing matter. I hope you are saved. I wouldnt want to see you perish.

But God will mock at the fools. When all is said and done, it will be final. No do overs. No escape. No changing it. You have no power over God or His judgement. You have power to seek and to know now, and the potential to go into the after life knowing Jesus!

Or not .... 😣😢😭😭😢😭

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So far, not one evolution advocate on this site has proven evolution has validity at its foundation.

Are you willing to explain the steps of the beginning?

I was looking for something more concrete.

If evolution explain the beginning.

If you think something different then please explain your view or "facts" of the beginning of life.

I am looking for your facts of origin of life.

With all the biology i want to know the beginning of life from your view.I dont need an argument against God. I need a firm reason to think evolution has a valid logical possible beginning.

Please enrich us with profound beginning of the all powerful intelligent process of evolution. The foundation of life and the process from the beginning.Im not looking for could have. Im looking for someething sure.

Evolution seems sure. Yet they cant explain the basic beginning, the foundation.

Please be clear. Is evolution faith or fact. A logical and biologocally possible beginning will tell us that. I want to know the beginning process of life. So explain the foundation. In the beginning .... then life ...

How did it form? How did it sheild itself to continue. And how did the first formed animals begin? And also how nature was banced in the process.

Please no links. Give me the technical basics of the beginning of life and the delicate balancing of it as evolution continued.

Im speaking of life. Living things! So you can start with whatever you think happened, but I am looking for the process of llife from the beginning!

Cartman(18192) Disputed
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Evolution is founded on life existing. Are you actually suggesting you don't believe life exists?

KNHav(1957) Disputed
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Evolution is FOUNDED on dead matter assembling itself and creating life out of dead matter. And then somehow being smart enough to overcome entropy, and create itself a balance and even beautifully designed world.

So did dead matter do it on purpose too?

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There is only evidence of biological simillarites. Not sound science in the beginning of the first formed living thing. Nor in the balance required beyond that, with entropy working against it from the creation of the first cell, and naturally beyond that!

Creatures with eyes have eye genes. But its a big jump to then say life formed and stabilized out of nonliving matter.

Its a religion of idiots.

Its the greatest insult to the Creator. The actual creator.

Man being God created himself out of a process from nothing.

Not even another god, nothing ... the earth was void, unformed, darkness over the deep. Into nothing He brought forth life, into chaos He established the balance for life to continue.

And evolution is the god nothing. The self god, nature and man created self by selection of the best. The self made man, evolved from nothing.

.

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A message from the heart to debaters who fight in favor of evolution. Adaptation is not evolution no matter how you define it. Adaptation takes a formed life form and adapts within its own fully formed makeup. It doesnt adapt by becoming a different creature.

Evolution defined as used to describe the establishment of life and nature as we sknow it is not adaptation. As a term used in the debate of Creator vs self creation of evolution.

So please stick to the definition. Adaptation is subtle. Evolution is creative in a foundational sense

Adaptation would be darkening of pigmentstion or lengthening a nose to adapt to changing atmosphere. But there is no drastic changes needed for evolution.

I dont argue and poke fun out of a dislike for you. I am hoping at some point you will question reasonably and logically some of the things you accepy as truth and isnt founded in science or logic or reasoning.

I am not being mean or cruel, I'm challenging you for a greater purpose, to question and weigh reasonably.

Like evolution starts aftwr life forms are already in process and builds on it, balancing nature in the process to foster the evolving life forms and to support its progressive action to its current presentation.

Yet when proof of the Bible has connections confirmed, in front of your face, it is denied.

Arent these connections similar. Yet at least with the Bible evidence is tangable and visible, and not just assumptive, as seen in the foundation of the biginning of life, the first life form that assembled itself to start with, then the balancing act needed to progress from the beginning.

Neither of these at the foundation are logical, no matter what biology connects similarities, and no matter what adaptations we see after the fact of a living thing at its completion.

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In the immensity of time which passed before us we'll likely never know. Both the scientific and religious explanations have really only been around a couple thousand years which is less than a blink of an eye in the history of time.

Not satisfied? That's fine. But whether you believe the scientific or the religious answer its still analogous to a Mayfly trying to understand everything. And that Mayfly can still live it's life and do what it's going to do without having a bonafide answer to the question.

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The Bible self defines itself. And confirms itself by confirming facts by 2 or 3 witnesses.

So, an interpretation should be interpreted by itself. And the Bible is the truth of the reality so to speak.

So, the Bible is self defining. And all the events around us are interpreted by it! By it, the Word of God.

So you need to be more like Gideons 300 when drinking the water. Be alert with the Word in your hand and be ready to interpret all things by it!

He literally made the worlds by it. He litterally appointed our times by it. Our names are even in it somewhere. Because without it, NOTHING came into being.

He spoke His Word and then it was finished!

We have a copy of that Word in our hands, and the Spirit of truth drops the scales from our eyes, and we see men like trees walking about!

Even if a word or two was messed with in our manuscript. The Spirit leads us, these things are unclear to those who cant hear or see!

But the Spirit seals the elect from the flood of darkness and deception that has been poured out on this generation. This is TODAY'S "Spirit of the Age!"

Will He find faith on the earth? Jesus made this statement referencing particularly this final generation. Dense, like an unreasoning mind has been given to them.

We have to bind the strongman, which is the Spirit of this Age. The time is short!

Our warfare over darkened minds is with the Spirit of the Age ... deluded their minds.

Truth has been lieing dead in the streets.

God is breathing life into it and now its standing as a witness against them, and will begin to lead many to righteousness.

Then the witnesses will lie dead for 1260 days....

We have to lift up truth in the streets right now against the flood of deceptions. We need to expose the lies. Which God is doing by opening the Book like a scroll, and revealing mysteries from the beginning!

Every jot and tittle is everything ever observed from the beginning to the end.

And eternal life is beyond this heaven and earth.

This one will be done away with, as His Kingdom comes, and His will be done on earth as it is in Heaven!!!!

See?

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