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Is this Fake History?

Trump talks fake news - I’m calling out Fake History:
1). The Bible - I mean there could be a few accurate points, but mostly fairytales.
2).  Columbus discovered America (Vespucci??)
3).  The US founded on Christianity (was specific secular)
4).  6 million Jews (not mathematically possible- more like few hundred thousand at most)
5).  Civil War all about slavery. (Much more than just that)
>>>>anyone got more???
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1). The Bible - I mean there could be a few accurate points, but mostly fairytales

Religious documents are not typically considered to keep historical record, except by the relatively few literalists who are not historians.

2).  Columbus discovered America (Vespucci??)

Vespucci was on several voyages between 1499 and 1502. Columbus’s voyage was in 1492.

3).  The US founded on Christianity (was specific secular)

Nobody believes the US is founded on Christianity. We all know this is not a theocracy. The perspective you are misrepresenting is that the US founders operated from a foundation of Christian thought and Christian morality. They were tired of European religious oppression, thus the separation of church from State implied by the 1st Amendment. This makes the US a product of Judeo-Christian values, though not a Christian nation.

4).  6 million Jews (not mathematically possible- more like few hundred thousand at most)

You’re historically and perhaps mathematically illiterate. Jewish deaths weren’t even half of the total in that genocide. Nor is it the only example of millions killed in genocide.

Hitler had 6 years to kill 6M Jews and 11M others. Now contrast that with Pakistan who killed 3M Bengalis in 9 months. Mao’s classicide killed 4.5M landlords just from ‘47 to ‘51, and he was only getting started. There’s no mathematical impossibility with what happened in the Holocaust.

5).  Civil War all about slavery. (Much more than just that)

The many issues of the civil war had slavery at the heart of every matter. All of the various contentions between north and south stemmed from slavery.

Slavedevice(1386) Clarified
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Ok, u R correct about Vespucci. But way before either were the Vikings!

Also - you are wrong on the HoloHoax. It’s possible the kill 6million BUT - the problem is there’s no bodies. Completely burning 100% of the remains is where the math and time , etc don’t work out. Look - the real numbers are not provable. But I don’t believe 6million. Plus , why make up something like that?? That’s where you start seeing thru the bullshit

Logically(191) Disputed
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the real numbers are not provable. But I don’t believe 6million. Plus , why make up something like that?? That’s where you start seeing thru the bullshit

Do you have any studies, research, or, you know, any evidence for these claims? A YouTube video you found ranting about it posted by "HoloHoax420" doesn't count, either.

Logically(191) Clarified
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All of the various contentions between north and south stemmed from slavery.

Slight correction; the core issue was state rights against federal law, however by far the subject this was directed towards was slavery. Purely semantics, the rest I more or less agree with. People who still deny the holocaust so tenaciously just need to stop delving into "the weird side of YouTube" so much.

Here's five more.

1. Jesus was a real historical figure (There is no evidence of this, in fact the character Jesus has changed over time and was probably based on several older fictional characters.)

2. Thomas Edison was a great inventor. (He stole 90% of his "inventions" with patent fraud, he was a good businessman, but a mediocre inventor.)

3. Nomenclature's alts have been banned. (He still has 30 active accounts)

4. Isaac Newton invented calculus (Calculus existed in ancient greece before their civilization was destroyed and the egyptians, sumerians and people of ancient india where doing "borderline" calculus before that.)

5. Nom is gay (Nom is a transgender woman, which means his obsession with wanks is technically heterosexual.)

Actually it was indeed calculated that 6 million Jews were killed. And you don’t know for sure that the Bible is fake. And also when they say Columbus discovered America they mean as in it was the first time a European set foot on America

Logically(191) Disputed
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And you don’t know for sure that the Bible is fake

But there's no evidence whatsoever to assume that it's true. To believe in the Bible but not the Quran, Tipitaka, Tanakh, Kojiki, or The Book of Shadows is just blind guessing, basically. There are an unbelievable number of contradictions in the Bible and the only way people continue to believe in it now is by cherry-picking it. Religion is dying; as we get smarter, the number of believers will fall.

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There s a lot of recent research showing that it was impossible to kill and burn the evidence of anywhere near 6 million. But overall you can just research the Jewish own records - there were not that many Jews in Germany?! Not to mention the millions of Jews that showed up after the war in other countries. The research is overwhelming enough that you can rest assured it was a great Exaggeration

Amarel(5564) Disputed
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There s a lot of recent research showing that it was impossible to kill and burn the evidence of anywhere near 6 million

No there isn’t, though I hear Iranian scholars have all kinds of new revaluations about the Holocausts non-existence.

Jewish records indicate roughly 17M Jews in the world in 1939 and 10M to 11M in 1945.

There were approx 9.5M Jews in prewar Europe, most of whom lived in Germany and plenty of whom lived places allied with or invaded by Germany.