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 Fascism is an evolution of Socialism (12)

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Fascism is an evolution of Socialism


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"Socialists" and "National Socialists are two different things! Hitler had every "socialist" rounded up, along with the Jews, and sent to the "camps" to be "dealt with"! Then he invented his own kind of "National Socialists". Birds of an entirely different feather. THEY evolved from Fascism, not the other way around!

"Socialists" and "National Socialists are two different things! Hitler had every "socialist" rounded up, along with the Jews, and sent to the "camps" to be "dealt with"! Then he invented his own kind of "National Socialists". Birds of an entirely different feather. THEY evolved from Fascism, not the other way around!

Well said mate.

To understand why the Nazis labelled themselves "National Socialists" one needs to understand the political climate of the 1920s-1930s. There had just been a violent revolution in Russia and by the time the Nazis ascended to power the German left was a huge chunk of the voting demographic. The Nazis could not win power without attracting a large portion of that voting base and they knew it.

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The Nazis could not win power without attracting a large portion of that voting base and they knew it.

Ah, so all their socialist elements was just them pretending to be socialists. And they kept up the ruse right to the point of identitarian policy and democide. Remind me whatever happened to those Kulaks?

Nomoturtle(780) Clarified
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"Socialists" and "National Socialists are two different things!

Yes. And the man in the video claims they share the same base school of thought in communism, just that the fascists is a bit more honest in that they require the state to achieve their utopia. The National Socialists were indeed facists and indeed evolved from facism, and the facists were apparently once socialists, according to this man's account.

Hitler had every "socialist" rounded up, along with the Jews, and sent to the "camps" to be "dealt with"

So? They are political rivals that would detract from his power. He killed and silenced them to achieve unity. That could be because they were direct opposition, but could also be because they were similar and siphoned support from his party.

Then he invented his own kind of "National Socialists"

BS. They were called National Socialists (NSDAP) from the start, since 1920. Before any of the 'rounding up the other Socialists' stuff started - that happened around when they got in power.

AlofRI(3251) Clarified
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We all have our ideas on just what is BS. You're welcome to yours. Those on the right are certainly experts at it.

Fascism is an evolution of Socialism

You are literally just such a retard, Bronto.

Let's take the three countries we know about which have veered into fascism. Italy, Germany and the USA.

How many of them were socialist first?

Oh that's right. Zero. All of them capitalist.

Nomoturtle(780) Clarified
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If you want to argue that capitalism, democracy, and other freedom based systems are often a nursery for facism (and communism) without requiring revolution, then I'd agree.

But the man in the video isn't saying that socialism is a nursery for facism, it's saying that the ideological principles, perspectives, and thought are an evolution of those found in socialism. That the socialists of the time fractured into socialists and facists.

You think I'm Bronto? I see a whole bunch of accounts named Bronto, but all of them were made after mine. So either Bronto is Nomoturtle, or you're constructing yet another strawman.

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My goodness there are some stupid ideas out there.

Can you please read books instead of referring to some YouTube video?

Do you read books?

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Address the arguments instead of berating the source, eh? Some of what he's talking about are direct quotes from the doctrine of facism.

Gypsee(334) Clarified
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C’est bon petit

National Socialism preserved private property, while also putting the entire resources of society at the service of a colonialist and racist vision.

A vison which by the way included the conquest and murderous subjugation of other peoples.

My goodness there are some stupid ideas out there.

And he makes these absurd claims while meanwhile, thanks to Donald Trump, members of his own party now feel bold enough to openly sympathise with Hitler!!!

Freshman U.S. Rep. Mary Miller of Illinois drew swift criticism from fellow Republicans Wednesday for quoting Adolf Hitler in a speech a day earlier outside the U.S. Capitol.

https://abc11.com/mary-miller-hitler-rep-illinois-congresswoman-us/9431991/

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People should register as know people haters. Like sex offenders they should knock on all doors and say” I am known Jewish hater, Gay Hater, Black Hater, No speaking English hater, ... “ this can go on for while...

Nomoturtle(780) Clarified
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And he makes these absurd claims while meanwhile, thanks to Donald Trump, members of his own party now feel bold enough to openly sympathise with Hitler!!!

Not everything is about Trump. And "his own party"? I'm an independant Brit.

Let's see how AOC deals with Pelosi ;)

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From the end of a leash is how.

So..., AOC is going to make Pelosi her bitch ;)