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but generally speaking I think that the evidence is clear girls are better at school until higher education at least. Girls tend to mature faster and they are less easily distracted during the lower education years.
Also girls and boys learn differently, boys more visually, girls are better at verbal and written learning. This gives an obvious advantage in most classrooms.
In addition to learning different, the mind works different. Girls all through life (not just the school years) are better at communication in most cases (I even think this has been shown in brain scans, a woman's brain is more active during conversation than a man's), again this is something helpful in a classroom setting so it is an advantage.
Guys are better at some aspects in general. The Male mind for instance generally is better wired for math because of the difinitive nature of numbers - though god forbid this be pointed out lest a feminist start a petition or something.
None of these rules are set in stone though. Some guys are excellent communicators, some women are excellent in math,
but as a general statement it is fair to say females are better students all around.
all and all girls are better students, have you ever sat in a class without a boy interrupting the teacher, being told off, calling out or just mucking about in some way, I know I haven't.
but generally speaking I think that the evidence is clear girls are better
but as a general statement it is fair to say females are better students all around.
This is all bullshit. You people are up voting a sexist statement. I don't know why this guy acts this way. Maybe he thinks this shit works with women? I don't know. I do know it's sexist and it's bullshit.
There are smart people and stupid people, good students and bad. Gender is relevant. If you want to get right down to grades and graduation rates, different areas have different winners, but overall the numbers are similar. My view is that men and women are equal, although both excel in certain areas.
As far as the maths and sciences, as you mentioned, they are dominated by men. Judging by graduation rates and grades, women are horrible students in these areas. Men also have similar deficiencies in certain subjects.
Making ridiculous "girls are better" generalizations is sexist. If you want to be a super liberal (which you clearly do), the correct answer is "they are equal". This is the point of the entire civil rights movement, that we are equal. Sorry you missed that.
It's funny when someone wants to be so liberal that they actually become a sexist bigot ;)
Judas is misquoting me and taking partial quotes to make it look to mean the opposite of what I say.
1. It is a fact, established, that girls perform better in school.
2. I simply describe why.
3. I do so making it clear that this factual difference in the general wiring and chemical makeup between girls and boys, this thing there is evidence of both from statistics and from the actual physical makeup of the average male and female brain, that this does not mean one is better than the other necessarily, that some girls and some boys can excel in areas they are not necessarily pre-disposed to excel in.
I am speaking in generalities. These generalities should not be applied to every individual. This I make very very clear.
This was too confusing for Judas, so they are downvoting me and crying foul sexism.
I'm not sexist. I at the same time understand (me not being an idiot) that girls and boys, generally, are wired differently.
So... you either think that the WNBA has as much talent as the NBA, in which case you are delusional, or you now see the fundamental flaw of calling differences in sexes "sexist" out of hand and so choose not to address it at all.
Here is more supporting evidence which I had provided for Judas, since Judas obviously refuses to even consider that any difference between men and women mentioned is not sexist... what Judas thinks of the fact that men have penises and women do not I cannot imagine, most likely that biology is sexist as well:
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There are a lot of things that make a good student. I never said there was only one. You want to simplify my argument because it is the only way it fits into your simple categorization of "sexist."
In 2001, researchers from Harvard found that certain parts of the brain were differently sized in males and females, which may help balance out the overall size difference. The study found that parts of the frontal lobe, responsible for problem-solving and decision-making, and the limbic cortex, responsible for regulating emotions, were larger in women [source: Hoag]. In men, the parietal cortex, which is involved in space perception, and the amygdala, which regulates sexual and social behavior, were larger [source: Hoag].
Men also have approximately 6.5 times more gray matter in the brain than women, but before the heads of all the men out there start to swell, listen to this: Women have about 10 times more white matter than men do [source: Carey]. This difference may account for differences in how men and women think. Men seem to think with their gray matter, which is full of active neurons. Women think with the white matter, which consists more of connections between the neurons. In this way, a woman's brain is a bit more complicated in setup, but those connections may allow a woman's brain to work faster than a man's [source: Hotz].
If you're a lady still concerned about the size issues brought up in the first paragraph, let's address that now. In women's brains, the neurons are packed in tightly, so that they're closer together. This proximity, in conjunction with speedy connections facilitated by the white matter, is another reason why women's brains work faster. Some women even have as many as 12 percent more neurons than men do [source: Hotz]. In studying women's brains, psychologist Sandra Witelson found that those neurons were most densely crowded on certain layers of the cortex, namely the ones responsible for signals coming in and out of the brain. This, Witelson believed, may be one reason why women tend to score higher on tests that involve language and communication, and she came to believe that these differences were present from birth [source: Hotz].
It is a fact that in general men and women have different brains. This has an obvious effect on school performance. I never claimed that it applies to every man and every woman, never once, that is you being a simpleton.
But the fact remains that girls do perform better in school at least through primary and high school. The brain is one of the reasons. The class room setting, in general, is better equipped to suite how the female brain works compared to the male brain, in general.
So as you see here, one proven example of how men and women are not "equal" in the manner you are speaking, which is "the same"
They are different. These differences play out in life in different ways to give men advantages in some instances, and women advantages in others. In the case of the classroom, it has been shown and I have proved, women have an advantage.
No they are not. I've proven it. You've offered no proof to the contrary, just simple replies I'd usually only expect from small children or those with extra chromosomes.
You are wrong. You have not proven anything. Saying that men and women are unequal is just as WRONG as saying that blacks and whites are unequal. You are disgusting.
Yes I did. I showed you confirmed sources which point out the differences in how the male and female brain function, along with side proof to test the level of your ignorance, that men and women are different sizes. This proves they are not "equal" in the sense you are speaking of.
Saying that men and women are unequal is just as WRONG
No it isn't. In fact I can say it and you will agree with me. Watch: "Men and women are on average unequal in weight and height" -- there, you see? You agree with me there so you must be disgusting and sexist as well, since this is the exact same point I am making, only about the brain instead of the body (which has equal proof by the way.)
is just as WRONG as saying that blacks and whites are unequal.
No, this is a different subject entirely. There is no correlation to be had here.
Like I said, you still have not understood what I've said. You are arguing with your imagination of what I said, but have utterly and completely missed the point. Why don't you try to actually read the links and my arguments instead?
It is as if I said "1+1=2"
and you began screaming like a crazy homeless person with turrets "cats and dogs are equal! why do you hate clouds C3PO buttermilk!"
And to highlight that you are misunderstanding my position either on purpose because you are being an annoying troll, or on accident because you are too stupid and slow to read anything I've posted, here is the first sentence of the first comment where from all of this unfounded hatred is coming:
Well, everyone's different...
Now, I am at this point justified in calling you either a troll or stupid because you've demonstrated a refusal to address any of the evidence I've shown or to support your position in any way. You are a child on the playground singing "nana booboo" at this point.
Your best move is too just let this debate go and slink away quietly embarrassed about your ignorance, or to apologize for being so misguided.
Bull fucking shit. You are a disgusting sexist pig and you are an insult to Democrats everywhere. Different does NOT mean unequal. Men and women are equal in value as human beings, you fucking sexist pig.
Different does NOT mean unequal. Men and women are equal in value as human beings, you fucking sexist pig.
I never once said they were not equal in "value", those are your words. That you would think this is what I'm saying when I've in fact said the very opposite several times tells me more about your odd state of mind then about my point.
So why is it you make this assumption? Perhaps deep down you are the one who is sexist?
I in fact believe men and women to be equal in value to modern society, in a general sense, and I believe one's sex has no bearing on their general value whatsoever in modern society.
Now, you are very dumb as you demonstrated, so you'll not understand this at all,
but technically there is a very good argument to be made that women are actually more "valuable" (as you say) to society in some instances, for instance very low populations or after large disasters. This would be true due strictly to reproductive abilities however, and not some intrinsic function of the mind, which is the current discussion.
Equal is not the same. My statements are based on evidence of how our brains are wired, in general, and the effects of things like testosterone and other chemicals, which generally vary between men and women.
There is nothing at all sexist about it. Pretending men and women are the same is not equality, it's stupidity. Not understanding how men and women can be equal without being the same from my view is just as "sexist" as believing one or the other is better... which I do not as I make clear.
I never said or implied that the genders are "the same". You are the first to use that term. I use the word "equal".
Not understanding how men and women can be equal without being the same from my view is just as "sexist" as believing one or the other is better...
So here you are saying that "believing one or the other is better" is "sexist"?
the evidence is clear girls are better-iamdavidh
it is fair to say females are better -iamdavidh
girls are better-iamdavidh
You clearly aren't saying that the genders are different, you are saying one is "better", and you're right, its very sexist.
bet·ter
/ˈbetər/ adjective.
preferable - superior - best
My statements are based on evidence
If so, please provide such evidence. Since your statements are based on evidence, please provide evidence that,
a. "girls are better at school until higher education"
(it is a fact that in the U.S. there are more female college students than men. [link below]The college I attend has an enrollment rate of over 60% female.)
b. "girls are better at verbal and written learning"
c. "Girls all through life (not just the school years) are better at communication "
None of these statements are based on anything except your liberal extremist views. You wont find any evidence to back your ridiculous opinions. I know you want to be super progressive and liberal, but you are actually just being a sexist bigot.
These are facts. I said clearly clearly clearly fucking clearly that there are exceptions and that I am speaking in generalities.
Acting with such self-righteous indignation when presented with facts does not help your case however.
You are wrong. Girls generally perform better in some areas and boys in others.
If it makes you feel holier-than-though to throw a childish fit the second you smell someone say "better" and it gives you tingles to lash out blindly and ignorantly at anything you mistake for sexism,
by all means, continue to misquote me and argue strawmen.
I see you did some research. I'm sure you see now how wrong you were in saying "girls are better at school until higher education". Women excel in higher education. Your links show that too.
Fact 2 girls do better in school
Here is a quote from your own pbs link that disputes your broad girls-are-better generalization.
"Here are other theories that do not hold up to scrutiny.
Boys are inherently inferior academically. No educator or research has suggested this, and the data indicate otherwise. Indeed, as recently as 1998 boys in several achievement test studies did better than girls in computer studies, economics, math and science."
Just to sum up:
but generally speaking I think that the evidence is clear girls are better at school until higher education at least.
Obviously false. Both of our links show this. You are ridiculous for not conceding this point.
females are better students all around.
Another sexist, broad generalization without any supporting evidence what so ever. Your own link shows that females are poor students in "computer studies, economics, math and science", areas that males excel at.
It's not as simple as "girls are better". You can't stereotype half the population.
Downvote for taking out portions of what I said
by all means, continue to misquote me and argue strawmen.
Downvote me all you want. I have quoted you directly, without any additions or edits whatsoever. There are also no strawmen here. Do you even know what a strawman is?
I see you did some research. I'm sure you see now how wrong you were in saying "girls are better at school until higher education".
I've done a lot of research. Anthropology was my minor and Anthropology of Men and Women was one of my main concentrations within that.
Here is a quote from your own pbs link that disputes your broad girls-are-better generalization.
"Here are other theories that do not hold up to scrutiny.
Boys are inherently inferior academically. No educator or research has suggested this, and the data indicate otherwise. Indeed, as recently as 1998 boys in several achievement test studies did better than girls in computer studies, economics, math and science."
You've again taken a portion of the article and quoted it to appear to mean the opposite of the intent.
Why do you keep doing this? Another down vote for that.
The articles go through a number of theories which do not result in the difference between male and female performance in school.
The article maintains there is a difference. There is a difference. Every piece of evidence ever gathered on the subject shows there is a difference.
It is disputing reasons for this difference before giving more likely reasons for the difference
You really really really need to work on your reading comprehension.
So you are just going to ignore how incredibly wrong you are about those two statements of yours that I pointed out above?
"Anthropology was your major", that is you answer? Pretty sad intellectual integrity you have. I have a related major too. So what? That doesn't make my opinion fact.
You've again taken a portion of the article and quoted it to appear to mean the opposite of the intent.
I have taken a piece of information, quoted it directly and in its entirety, to display a point. That is how you use quotes. I'm sorry you think I'm doing a horrible thing. You are obviously frustrated.
There is a difference.
Again iamdavidh, I agree there is a difference. I know you want to make this my argument so you can win this debate, but I've never said there is no "difference" or that men and women are "the same". There is a difference but there is no "better". I actually believe in gender equality.
You can put the "reading comprehension" non-sense to rest. If you were such an expert in reading comprehension I wouldn't have to repeat to you over and over that my argument is not that men and women are the same. Jesus Chirst just reread what's been posted here and you should feel silly enough.
Unless you are willing to acknowledge your own statements, which anyone can read, there is nothing left for us to talk about. If you are going to deny what you yourself posted, how can I dispute it?
By the way, professor, if you are so scholarly and learned on the subject why would you say such an inaccurate thing as,
generally speaking I think that the evidence is clear girls are better at school until higher education at least.
You are wrong. Anyone can see that. So I'm pretty much done here.
So you are just going to ignore how incredibly wrong you are about those two statements of yours that I pointed out above?
I answered them. You did not understand what I was saying first of all, and second of all your information is incorrect. Men and women do learn differently, that is a fact, that does not inherently mean one is better than the other.
"Anthropology was your major", that is you answer? Pretty sad intellectual integrity you have. I have a related major too. So what? That doesn't make my opinion fact.
Minor. Again, you are misunderstanding what I'm writing, I can only assume at this point it is from low intelligence. Second of all it was in answer to your question. I brought it up as part of an answer to something you said.
I have taken a piece of information, quoted it directly and in its entirety, to display a point. That is how you use quotes. I'm sorry you think I'm doing a horrible thing. You are obviously frustrated.
No you haven't, not a single time it seems.
Again iamdavidh, I agree there is a difference. I know you want to make this my argument so you can win this debate, but I've never said there is no "difference" or that men and women are "the same". There is a difference but there is no "better". I actually believe in gender equality.
And this directly reflects on your very low intelligence. My entire point was that they were different. You agree, then you say that when I show the difference as it pertains to this debate, that difference must inherently mean unequal. I specifically address this but you were not able to understand it I assumed at first because you took it personally and only skimmed, now I see it is because you are not very smart.
You can put the "reading comprehension" non-sense to rest. If you were such an expert in reading comprehension I wouldn't have to repeat to you over and over that my argument is not that men and women are the same. Jesus Chirst just reread what's been posted here and you should feel silly enough.
I cannot because your arguments demonstrate you have not been able to understand what I was saying. You have low reading comprehension and low intelligence. If you did not you would not be arguing with me because you've agreed with all I've said accept the links which showed studies supporting my original statement (which you didn't understand from your reply to it.)
Unless you are willing to acknowledge your own statements, which anyone can read, there is nothing left for us to talk about. If you are going to deny what you yourself posted, how can I dispute it?
You asked "why are you guys upvoting this? It's sexist" in your original rant to me. It was upvoted because it is not sexist but does show the reasons for the very real phenomenon of women doing better in school pre-graduate school. You are the one who does not understand here, think really really hard instead of repeating where you've misunderstood over and over.
You are wrong. Anyone can see that. So I'm pretty much done here.
(I guess you don't know what a strawman is then?"
Again, look at the links and actually read them. You did not understand them the first time. Girls are better in school. This is an established fact.
And no, you do not understand what strawman means, along with many other things apparently.
You falsely accuse me of misquoting you several times, and then the first time you try to quote me it's a total mess. Are you fucking stupid? Apparently you are. Do you know copy paste?
"why are you guys upvoting this? It's sexist"
What I said was,
"You people are up voting a sexist statement." <not a question.
Do you have a vagina? Is that what all this is about? Just because you are insecure about your vagina I shouldn't have to spend my Wednesday dealing with your sexist bullshit.
Like I said, there is nothing left to talk about. You already win the moron of the day award. Anyone reading this is quite entertained, I'm sure.
I could say, "show me my strawmen" or give you a definition of "strawman" or "sexist" or "better" or I could point to your several sexist statements that you are still dodging and trying to backpedal out of.
There is just no point, bro. Everyone can see you're a sexist moron, I don't really have to do anything here.
That's funny because you make me feel very smart. Going on and on about my perfectly quoted arguments, and then committing the worst of quotation mistakes, it makes you look like an idiot. Your entire argument here hinges on me misquoting you (which I didn't), and then you show everyone that you don't even know how to properly use quotes?
You fucked your own argument. Why not just back up your statements instead of pretending that I am twisting your words?
Is that sexist?
No. I'm sorry you still don't understand. I guess I'll explain it to you?
First off, men vs. women debates are counterproductive, just like a "which race is better" debate. The entire premise is sexist. Let's start there.
What makes a good student? Apparently by your standards communication skills are all there is. Math, science, technology, and economics are apparently irrelevant. You just want to make the blanket statement, "females are better students all around", which is sexist.
Your entire opening argument is peppered with "girls are better" statements and is not balanced to show the equality of the genders.
Okay, now forget about your stupid little feelings. Open your dense fucking head for one minute here and forget about who posted it or intent. Look at your own gad damn data,
"Here are other theories that do not hold up to scrutiny.
Boys are inherently inferior academically. No educator or research has suggested this, and the data indicate otherwise."
now hold that dumb fucking mind open and read your own statement,
as a general statement it is fair to say females are better students all around.
Now let all that soak in your dumb, tiny, liberal extremist brain and stfu.
First off, men vs. women debates are counterproductive, just like a "which race is better" debate. The entire premise is sexist. Let's start there.
No, because there are no fundamental difference between humans with one amount of melanin in their skin vs humans with a different amount of melanin.
There is though a difference between men and women in a general sense, which I address. There are different chemicals at play, we develop differently, we are different sizes, and as mentioned men and women, in a general sense based on biology, even think differently.
What makes a good student? Apparently by your standards communication skills are all there is. Math, science, technology, and economics are apparently irrelevant. You just want to make the blanket statement, "females are better students all around", which is sexist.
There are a lot of things that make a good student. I never said there was only one. You want to simplify my argument because it is the only way it fits into your simple categorization of "sexist."
In 2001, researchers from Harvard found that certain parts of the brain were differently sized in males and females, which may help balance out the overall size difference. The study found that parts of the frontal lobe, responsible for problem-solving and decision-making, and the limbic cortex, responsible for regulating emotions, were larger in women [source: Hoag]. In men, the parietal cortex, which is involved in space perception, and the amygdala, which regulates sexual and social behavior, were larger [source: Hoag].
Men also have approximately 6.5 times more gray matter in the brain than women, but before the heads of all the men out there start to swell, listen to this: Women have about 10 times more white matter than men do [source: Carey]. This difference may account for differences in how men and women think. Men seem to think with their gray matter, which is full of active neurons. Women think with the white matter, which consists more of connections between the neurons. In this way, a woman's brain is a bit more complicated in setup, but those connections may allow a woman's brain to work faster than a man's [source: Hotz].
If you're a lady still concerned about the size issues brought up in the first paragraph, let's address that now. In women's brains, the neurons are packed in tightly, so that they're closer together. This proximity, in conjunction with speedy connections facilitated by the white matter, is another reason why women's brains work faster. Some women even have as many as 12 percent more neurons than men do [source: Hotz]. In studying women's brains, psychologist Sandra Witelson found that those neurons were most densely crowded on certain layers of the cortex, namely the ones responsible for signals coming in and out of the brain. This, Witelson believed, may be one reason why women tend to score higher on tests that involve language and communication, and she came to believe that these differences were present from birth [source: Hotz].
It is a fact that in general men and women have different brains. This has an obvious effect on school performance. I never claimed that it applies to every man and every woman, never once, that is you being a simpleton.
But the fact remains that girls do perform better in school at least through primary and high school. The brain is one of the reasons. The class room setting, in general, is better equipped to suite how the female brain works compared to the male brain, in general.
Your entire opening argument is peppered with "girls are better" statements and is not balanced to show the equality of the genders.
Okay, now forget about your stupid little feelings. Open your dense fucking head for one minute here and forget about who posted it or intent. Look at your own gad damn data,
I never post with my feelings in mind and if you'd have followed any of my arguments in the 3 plus years I've been here you'd know this.
My argument is not balanced as you say, because it should not be. The facts are clear, girls are better equipped for school. It is a fact. I do not have to make up reasons that make it look equal to fulfill your need for equality. It is not equal. That is how it is.
No, because there are no fundamental difference between humans with one amount of melanin in their skin vs humans with a different amount of melanin.
I'm sorry your education is so lacking. There are several more differences in races than melanin. From resistance to malaria to height to eye and hair color, the diversity of the human race is immense and no other species varies to the degree we do. We have pygmies and aborigines and English people, a human can be 4 in a half feet at adult height, or 7 feet tall. Saying that the only differences in races is melanin, it just shows your ignorance.
There is though a difference between men and women in a general sense, which I address. There are different chemicals at play, we develop differently, we are different sizes, and as mentioned men and women, in a general sense based on biology, even think differently.
It's fucked up that you are so dense that I have to keep repeating this to you. I simply wont say this again. I AGREE THERE IS A DIFFERENCE you fucking close minded moron.
You want to simplify my argument because it is the only way it fits into your simple categorization of "sexist."
You simplify your own argument to "females are better students all around", which is obviously false. These are your own words.
As far as your one study from 2001. This article concludes nothing.
"This difference may account for differences in how men and women think."
So this information may tell us something. That is what your source says. Do you see the second paragraph where grey matter is mentioned? Gray matter is the information processing centers in the brain, white matter is just the "connections between" them. Men have 6.5 times the information processing power that women do.
This makes men the PC and women the Apple product. Gamers choose PC's for their higher processing power and apple people choose apple products for their ease of use. What device is better for homework? What device is smarter? This is obviously subjective.
When it comes to genders, saying that one in inherently superior over the other is sexist.
: behavior, conditions, or attitudes that foster stereotypes of social roles based on sex
What you are doing is attempting to foster a stereotype of a social role based on sex. The stereotype is that women are better students.
It is not equal. That is how it is.
Perfect. Thank you for making your sexism perfectly clear. Your statements were already by definition sexist, but thanks for making it clear you do not believe in gender equality.
I'm sorry your education is so lacking. There are several more differences in races than melanin. From resistance to malaria to height to eye and hair color, the diversity of the human race is immense and no other species varies to the degree we do. We have pygmies and aborigines and English people, a human can be 3 in a half feet at adult height, or 7 feet tall. Saying that the only differences in races is melanin, it just shows your ignorance.
Anyone of any race can have any of the physical attributes described here. They are not any of them exclusive to one or another race.
That I was pointing out a simple difference facitiously does not take away from my overriding point,
This being that the differences between men and women is in no way similar to the differences between human's varying shades of skin color.
I'm sorry you are so dense that I have to keep repeating this to you. I simply wont say this again, I AGREE THERE IS A DIFFERENCE you fucking close minded moron.
Then you are not arguing with me. I expect you to switch positions then and apologize to me promptly.
You simplify your own argument to "females are better students all around", which is obviously false. These are you own words.
No I didn't. I qualified that factual statement, and it is a fact, and I subsequently backed it up with additional evidence which you've ignored.
As far as your one study from 2001. This article concludes nothing.
It does, and clearly so. It shows how boys and girls brains work differently. This coupled with provided evidence of the difference between performance in school, where girls do excel, is more than ample,
especially given that you've offered no evidence to the contrary.
So this information may tell us something. That is what your source says. Do you see the second paragraph where grey matter is mentioned? Gray matter are the information processing centers in the brain, white matter is just the "connections between" them. Men have 6.5 times the information processing power that women do.
Yes, I'm aware of what the article I provided for you said. It goes on to talk about women having 10x the neurons which lends to the greater complexity of the female brain and other evidence to support they are better equipped, in general, for communication.
This makes men the PC and women the Apple product. Gamers choose PC's for their higher processing power and apple people choose apple products for their ease of use. What device is better for homework? What device is smarter? This is obviously subjective.
The debate was never which was smarter. This is part of your misconception which has lead to your string of Ad Hominem attacks.
My comment was on who is the better student. That is all. Females are generally. That is a fact. I also made it clear there are plenty of cases individually where this does not apply but you chose to ignore that for a holy crusade against sexism.
When it comes to genders, saying that one in inherently better than the other is sexist.
Sure. But saying one is "better at ___" fill in the blank, especially when there is statistical evidence and brain scans to back it up, is not sexist, it is realism.
It tells me though that perhaps you are covering some sexist notions deep in your psyche? "Thou doth protest too much" me thinks.
: behavior, conditions, or attitudes that foster stereotypes of social roles based on sex
What you are doing is attempting to foster a stereotype that women are better students.
Sure, all of that stuff plays a role. So does testosterone, estrogen, and the way the actual physical brain works.
Pointing out that women perform better in school fosters nothing, it states facts.
Do you believe it would be better to pretend this fact does not exist? Pray tell how pretending something which does exist, does not exist, has ever improved anyone's lot in life?
You've mistaken statements of fact with an agenda,
one which makes no sense by the way, I being male, why would I actively pursue the under education of "my kind"?
Perfect. Thank you for making your sexism perfectly clear. Your statements were already by definition sexist, but thanks for making it clear you do not believe in gender equality.
This was in answer to "It is not equal. That's how it works." I was stating girls perform better in school, in general, and as statistics show, based on the differences in how their brains work.
Gender equality is not the issue at all. I 100% support 100% equal rights under law and equal opportunities in life.
I go further, I support an attempt to level playing fields and to get the most out of male students in order to improve society even more.
I would be 100% for different teaching techniques which helped boys keep up with girls, generally, academically, and the same for girls if it turns out there are even more beneficial ways for them to learn.
This debate never asked what I thought the answers were though, and you didn't.
It only asked who were better students.
And as stated, girls are. Believe it sexist till your heart bleeds, it will not change that fact.
I'm done. You're a moron. I didn't even finish reading your last post.
My argument is not that men and women are the same, or there is no difference between men and women. Your pretending that this is my argument doesn't make you look any less stupid, but it does end this debate.
Congratulations on learning nothing from this exchange. This is over now. Fuck off and die.
I agree I found this article about it online, many boys are inherently disadvantaged by the way school is taught nowadays. However, if boys are taught properly I feel they can excel just as well as females do in academics.
The problem starts at home where they are disadvantaged before they even start school.
The male species need discipline. It's our biggest ally. Discipline from young to old, from boys to men will enhance and benefit us. But because we're treated like girls now with all this softy touchy feely world half these kids don't get to be what they could've.
I agree but I think the problems with the education system are out of an unfortunate necessity rather than a conscious design intended to benefit females over males. Large class sizes and overstressed teachers result in cookie-cutter education and little personal time for each student, and at an early age boys need that more than girls. If they don't get a little bit when they need it, it could result in a snowball effect of falling behind.
That seems more likely to me than school officials sitting behind closed doors and trying to figure out how to screw over their male students.
I'm not saying anybody's out there purposefully trying to bring the male sex down. It's just happening that's all. People have in general been blind to it but atleast now they're beginning to see some of the flaws of this 'new age' society.
Treat boys like men.. they'll grow to be men.
Treat girls like women.. they'll grow to be women.
You start treating them all mixed up... you get the results of a fucked up society we're living in right now.
I recognize that although women still bear the brunt of sexism, an unfortunate backlash movement has negatively impacted men, and that behaviour should also be identified and combated just as actively.
But what it means to treat a child like a woman or a man is so subjective and can be very detrimental. Far too many people think treating a boy like a man means teaching him to stifle his emotions and be aggressive, and treating a girl like a woman means teaching her to value her appearance above all else and be submissive to males.
I know the sexes have different inborn strengths. But kids in general should be treated like people; with respect, and with the expectation of being responsible, thoughtful, confident, ambitious, and reasonable according to their age. Beyond that, how they choose to conform or not conform with masculinity or femininity should be up to them. Treat children like human beings and they will grow into human beings.
Far too many people think treating a boy like a man means teaching him to stifle his emotions and be aggressive, and treating a girl like a woman means teaching her to value her appearance above all else and be submissive to males.
Now I'm not an expert of masculinity/femininity in America... but you really think that's what people expect of the sexes? REALLY? I'm pretty sure you know what people ACTUALLY expect of the sexes. You're purposefully being inaccurate.
But kids in general should be treated like people; with respect, and with the expectation of being responsible, thoughtful, confident, ambitious, and reasonable according to their age. Beyond that, how they choose to conform or not conform with masculinity or femininity should be up to them. Treat children like human beings and they will grow into human beings.
Now I'm not an expert of masculinity/femininity in America... but you really think that's what people expect of the sexes? REALLY? I'm pretty sure you know what people ACTUALLY expect of the sexes. You're purposefully being inaccurate.
Um, yes. Of course that is not word-for-word what they are told, but these roles are definitely enforced with more than a mild suggestion. Boys are conditioned to hide 'weak' emotions such as sadness and to defend themselves with violence. Girls are the target of make-up and clothing advertisers from a very young age in order to create a large demand, the majority of toys available to them involve pretend beautification, child-rearing, or cooking. Girls who do are too forward or bossy face the label of 'unladylike'.
Respectfully.... that was some hippy BULLSHIT.
It is sad that you consider respecting children to be bullshit.
Um, yes. Of course that is not word-for-word what they are told, but these roles are definitely enforced with more than a mild suggestion. Boys are conditioned to hide 'weak' emotions such as sadness and to defend themselves with violence. Girls are the target of make-up and clothing advertisers from a very young age in order to create a large demand, the majority of toys available to them involve pretend beautification, child-rearing, or cooking. Girls who do are too forward or bossy face the label of 'unladylike'.
Damn. America is a fucked up country if that's what they expect from their peoples.
In my country the man is supposed to take care of the family. Bring the basics to the table, enforce the rules, be strong for the family, protect the family etc. etc.
The women are the ones who take care of the home, raise the children right, support the husband and be strong for him etc. etc.
There sure is a vast difference between our peoples.
It is sad that you consider respecting children to be bullshit.
A) How you mean respect children?
B) Most of it was complete and utter boring hippy bullshit.
I mean seriously? You killed it with the 'treat them as humans' part. Lmao nearly fell off my chair.
I don't mean to imply that, compared to many other countries in the world, American women have it bad. But yes, gender roles are passively or aggressively enforced from birth (go to a toy store and look at the toys marketed to each sex) and the role imposed upon females is more subservient and less ambitious than the ones imposed on males.
Basically you described a very similar thing but using language that seems innocuous on the surface. It still pigeon-holes women into a subservient role (mostly revolving around cooking, cleaning, and childcare) which is a-okay if that's what they want to do but plenty of us resent the implication that we are 'supposed' to do any of those things.
A) How do you mean respect children?
Respect their individuality rather than treat them like cookie cutter personalities based on sex. There are greater differences between the capabilities of two children of the same sex than there are between the averaged capabilities of both sexes.
I mean seriously? You killed it with the 'treat them as humans' part. Lmao nearly fell off my chair.
Treating them like 'men' and 'women' as you described them would crush a lot of potential and ambition.
which is a-okay if that's what they want to do but plenty of us resent the implication that we are 'supposed' to do any of those things.
Only because of the world you live in. The oppurtunities, idealism, mentality etc. that women in the west have are more selfish than selfless. (Men aswell....)
It still pigeon-holes women into a subservient role (mostly revolving around cooking, cleaning, and childcare)
So what's wrong with that? As a woman you'd be carrying out the most important duty by raising your children right. No wonder American kids are so fucked up. Their mothers didn't give enough of a shit about them.
Respect their individuality rather than treat them like cookie cutter personalities based on sex.
I treat each kid differently, based on their personalities.
Treating them like 'men' and 'women' as you described them would crush a lot of potential and ambition.
Shiiiiiittt...
I don't have a problem with a woman getting a job and being amazing at what she does. Shit she could run the world for all I care. But if she can't raise her children right.. if she isn't a good role model.. then being a great doctor isn't much compared to being a shit mother. If women could be great mothers/wives AND be exceptional at their job... perfect. But you can see all around that it's not really happening. Same goes to men/fathers but that's a different story.
I have to agree if we´re just talking about colleges. Boy today want to show their "coolness" and that they are not "nerds". Most girls do not have this kind of problem. Girls usually focus on study while most boys spend most of their time on video-games and in childish plays. In a way to determine their personality and to make social contact. There´s almost no discipline today with boys and worse, there are no examples that make a boy want to fallow them. This is a personal perspective of course. Girls have a bit more discipline and do no engage in such childish plays normally.
But when a boy grows up, if he finds the right stimule they can overcome women, as women can overcome men. At the grownup point is the expiriments who determine wich one have the most potencial.
Now a bit of off-topic. I guess this topic is not productive. It´s an appealing to a sexist fight wich has no sense. Of course thats not the intencion of the post but I do believe that this post doesn´t add anything good.
There are plenty of studies done in this area (just google it) and females normally come out on top as an over all average. It is thought that because females mature faster they take a more responsible approach to learning in earlier grades, this is not an absolute rule but is true in the majority of cases. As for males however when they mature they generally catch up in third level education.
girls because there are some hot ones at some schools and you can get a girlfreind and hang out. if youre like me and have a hot girl for a girlfreind isnt that awsome or what. girls are genaraly smater than boys
Well...... This fact is proven by the girls performance in an overall situation. Girls dont depend on boys to live like the olden days. we also contribute to our country's development... Its not only about guys, guys, guys... we can stand on our both feet. thank you very much.
Yea we females tend to talk..alot but we know when to control our selves in school.Rather then my male classmates who are obnixous and rude blasting farts in the middle of class being idiots for thinking they are all that but really the are wanna bees
It would not be wrong to say that women are better students than men. I have personally observed that women study better than men and score higher. And I will suggest you use this Packers Plaid Printed Bib Overalls in this season of fashion talk.
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However once you get past high school, I'd give the trophy to the males.
Individually it is all really the drive involved. Our number 1 position of my class right now is tied between 2 guys and 1 girl, all three holding a perfect GPA. So with the individual it is all about self perseverance.
So K-12, according to studies girls hold the advantage. However college onward men are the top dog.
So females are better in the beginning but the tortoise wins the race!
Women now outnumber men on college campuses, and overall spend more time studying and less time socializing.
Not to imply an inherent superiority of females over males, but it doesn't make sense for the boys who don't receive the educational help they needed in primary and secondary school to suddenly get ahead by leaps and bounds when it comes to higher education. Of course the disadvantage carries over.
I am not disputing nor supporting I just wanted a way to leave a comment on this debate without taking aside.
Statistics don't prove anything because if you get a new one from another replace the results could be different. We all have capabilities to be good students or Dumb.
Only major deciding factors are willingness to learn, learning disorders, and educational opportunities.
females are good in school because they study hard as their teachers say to study their lessons while men are just relax.... but males get higher score than to other females because males are more intelligent than females
males are better than females because young females engage in Premarital sex that result in early pregnancy so that they cannot graduated in their year level....................
