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Egalitarianism/Feminism Feminism/Feminazi
Debate Score:14
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Feminism/Egalitarianism, Feminazi, Etc.

Whether you put Feminism with Feminaziism or Feminism with Egalitarianism, I have an option for you!

 

 

I consider myself an Egalitarian.  Why?

 

- Because Feminism has a bad rep.

- Because Egalitarianism literally means equality for all rather than prefering one gender.

- That's it.

 

 

Feminism isn't really needed in America as much as Anita Sarkeesian would make it out to be.  Same as blacks, we have it pretty easy compared to several hundred years ago.  But there are other countries all around us you could help if you insist on being oppressed.

I am not afraid of saying "Feminazi".  I am not comparing them to the Nazis.  It's just a way people say "Extremist Feminist".  You can think of it in an offensive way if you'd like, but I don't want you attacking me for it.

Egalitarianism/Feminism

Side Score: 12
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Feminism/Feminazi

Side Score: 2
2 points

The problem with using egalitarianism as a replacement for feminism (or any other specific advocacy philosophy) is that it is too broad to function effectively in that capacity. Yes, feminism as a label has a bad reputation with some people (although, so does egalitarianism if we are being honest) but that does not necessarily outweigh the benefit of identifying with the term. If one identifies themselves to others as an egalitarian that tells them exceptionally little, whereas stating that one is a feminist communicates your particular interests and passions much more precisely. A more specific term also has the power to frame issues in ways they might not otherwise be phrased - abortion is not just a medical issue, it is a women's issue - which can create a dialogue that empowers your voice in ways it might not otherwise be.

Side: Egalitarianism/Feminism
1 point

Too broad to function...? (<- My way of asking what you mean)

Can you please explain how Egalitarianism isn't specific enough, please?

Side: Egalitarianism/Feminism
Jace(5222) Clarified
2 points

Certainly. Let me know if this clarifies or not:

Egalitarianism is the idea that everything/everyone should be equal. This includes all identities, including ones which may not be as relevant to the advocate in question or even to the situation at hand. It is an umbrella term that can include so many different views, ideologies, and philosophies that it is practically meaningless to tell someone that you are an egalitarian.

Side: Egalitarianism/Feminism
2 points

I consider myself egalitarian as well. And although it is a broad term, this allows you to keep an open mind on various different issues. You don't look at anything from one perspective or the other and you are able to keep an open mind. I'd even say that feminism is a sect of egalitarianism, but they focus on gender issues with the perspective of Women. If you consider yourself feminist, it's clear where your mind set is. If you're a woman and a feminist, usually you support various gender issues through the world view of women. You don't take the time to understand the male perspective or the perspective of the people in the middle. If you're a man and a feminist, you're also supporting gender issues through the view of women or what you perceive what the view of women to be. Also in some instances it's just to be on "the good side" of women. If the latter is the only reason then it's kind of detrimental to the whole movement.

Side: Egalitarianism/Feminism
SophieS(22) Clarified
1 point

I agree especially with your last statement. I think there is some need on the part of the feminist movement to consider men's views. However, it is important to realise that the patriarchy negatively affects all sexes and genders, and that the feminist movement has more to offer to men than many realise.

Side: Egalitarianism/Feminism

Egalitarianism seems fair and logical to me. Everyone should be equal.

Side: Egalitarianism/Feminism
Jace(5222) Clarified
2 points

I favor equity over equality, but I admit that is splitting hairs. The distinction to me lies between total equality and equality of opportunity.

Side: Egalitarianism/Feminism

Recently feminism has been taken too far. Seriously even coughing in front of the wrong woman will get you insulted or on a video.

Side: Egalitarianism/Feminism
1 point

Equality for EVERYONE, not just women. There is nothing wrong with supporting equality for men and women, but there is a problem with calling everything sexist and hating all men, which is what modern feminism is.

Side: Egalitarianism/Feminism
1 point

Radical feminism has it's place in philosophical thought and should never be equated to extremist feminism. Radicalism is based on the thought that appeasement will never be effective in reaching equality across the gender spectrum. Extremist feminism reaches for violence to propagate its ideas, and while those ideas are often radically based, there is no reason why a radical system of thought should be weighed down by the actions of a minority. A radical feminist may choose not to shave, but only an extremist would behave in a verbally or physically violent way against someone who chooses to shave.

One important distinction to make is the division between traditional and sex-positive feminism, most clearly exemplified in the tension between performance artists Selena Gomez and Lorde. Selena Gomez would be an example of sex-positive feminism, and Lorde more of a traditional stance, where overt sexuality is not considered self-respecting and caters to a patriarchy.

"Feminazi" behavior (I will put this in quotations, because I do not condone the use of the phrase but understand its significance) tends to be physically or verbally aggressive in terms of hatred towards those who don't fall in line with these ideas, but should not then also be equated with misandry, which extends this aggression to hatred of men. None of this has much to do with what feminism really stands for.

Egalitarianism is essentially feminism under a different name, and in referring to yourself as such you essentially undermine the efforts of feminists and protofeminists throughout history by distancing your ideas from them. This delegitimises your own argument, and results in a general weakening of the movement's basic ideals.

Side: Feminism/Feminazi
CutMe(109) Clarified
1 point

I agree with everything!!!!!

... except that last part. How does calling myself a different name make my arguments any less valid than a Feminist saying these things?

Side: Egalitarianism/Feminism
SophieS(22) Clarified
1 point

By distancing yourself from the feminist argument, you're saying that feminism doesn't stand for all of the same things that egalitarianism does. I didn't mean to say that your argument is less valid than if you were to say it as a feminist. The reality is more subtle- both arguments are equally as valid but undermine eachother by saying that they're the only truth. Maybe an analogy would serve me well here; let's say that two people come forward, and one says "There are ten dimes in a dollar" and the other guy comes forward and says "Guy 1 is wrong. There's 20 nickels in a dollar". A dollar's a dollar, right? But by claiming that it's anything different and that Guy 1 is wrong for a perfectly reasonable statement, it makes Guy 2 seem that much less credible. The same goes for Feminist and Egalitarian ideas. Equality is equality. A dollar's a dollar.

Side: Egalitarianism/Feminism
1 point

As soon as a side cannot be criticized, don't be surprised to find yourself being led into a "shower".

Side: Feminism/Feminazi