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Lying ain't good I LIKE to lie
Debate Score:9
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Flynn again.. Is lying to the FBI a crime? While under oath, is lying to a judge a crime?

Hello:

Bill Barr says lying to the FBI isn't a crime..  Judge Emmet Sullivan says that may be so, but lying to him is, for sure, a crime.  And, that's what Flynn did..  He swore, under oath, that h
e COMMITTED the crimes he was charged with. Then he changed his mind.

The judge simply wants to know whether lying to him under oath, is a crime.  I do too.


excon

Lying ain't good

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I LIKE to lie

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That is unless you lie on the "right side" where you can be comfortable doing so. ;-) (pun intended ;-)

Side: Lying ain't good
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In the U.K., lying under oath is a criminal, offence known as perjury.

Being found guilty of perjury has life changing consequences such as making it significantly more difficult to get a job, and is punishable by, fines and/or a prison sentence.

Left wing politicians are known to be the unchallenged world masters of perjury.

Side: Lying ain't good
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Bill Barr says lying to the FBI isn't a crime..

That's not what he said, so you made that up, and the FBI's own documentations show they not only tried to set him up, but didn't believe he lied.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/policy/national-security/386323-house-intel-report-comey-mccabe-testified-that-the-two-agents-who?amp

And now we know that the law firm that Flynn trusted to protect him was Eric Holder's law firm, and that it hid evidence showing Flynn's innocence from Flynn's new legal team.

https://www.law.com/nationallawjournal/2020/05/04/covington-clashes-with-michael-flynns-lawyers-over-records-search/?slreturn=20200415095231

We also know that pages full of Democrat operatives unmasked Flynn hundreds of times, which is a felony.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ajc.com/news/list-names-biden-among-obama-officials-who-unmasked-trump-ally-michael-flynn/FAGs2cw3Q3eqk8rKXX6E0H/amp.html

Side: I LIKE to lie
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Judge Emmet Sullivan says that may be so

Which would prove lying to the FBI isn't a crime by default, which contradicts your premise.

but lying to him is, for sure, a crime. And, that's what Flynn did..

Actually he struck a plea deal, which is a systematic event libs cry about if the man is a minority, and they'd be right in those cases, and are now showing they are unprincipled and will switch positions for political expediency.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/ 2017/12/01/what-michael-flynns-plea-deal-means-215995

He swore, under oath, that he COMMITTED the crimes he was charged with.

He actually never made any claim under oath. He simply struck a plea deal to stop the FBI from going after his son, which was a documented part of the plea deal.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/jacobfrenkel/2017/11/27/will-michael-flynn-plead-guilty-and-cooperate-to-protect-his-son/amp/

Then he changed his mind.

He changed his plea due to the FBI no longer having the ability to go after his family and due to having a legal team not in the bag for the Democratic Party establishment.

The judge simply wants to know whether lying to him under oath, is a crime.

The judge was appointed by Clinton and is a part of the very establishment that went after Flynn in the first place. This case will appealed to a higher court and as high as it needs to be appealed, even to the Supreme Court, if needed, to execute the DOJ's dropping of the case.

https://ballotpedia.org/EmmetSullivan

I do too.

You don't. You are a political tribalist who hates anyone tied to Donald Trump, who you believe is bad because you don't understand that the media is fake and not real, nor is it meant to be.

There have been hundreds, perhaps thousands of debates on this very site, proving objectively, how each of those media stories were completely fake, headlines that didn't match the information in the story, ommissions, or 180 spins.

You believe these fake narratives due to cognitive dissonance, aka hearing what you want to hear rather than believing provably objective truth if it challenges the narrative you want to hear or already have programmed into your mind by a press so insidious that it has defended terrorists, Communist dictatorships, gangs that decapitate their victims, and politicians who get rich off of being bought by powerful foreign entities and large corporations.

https://www.createdebate.com/debate/show/Chuck Toddcaughtmanufacturingsuperfakenews

Side: I LIKE to lie
excon(14072) Disputed
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He actually never made any claim under oath. He simply struck a plea deal

Hello T:

I could dispute every detail of your post, but let me start and end with this.. You are simply uninformed. Or worse, you're purposefully UN-informed, manipulated and lied to.. I can't help that except to try to inform you with the facts - facts that easily available to you, as they are to me. In this great country of ours, here's what actually happens in a court of law.

When a person pleads guilty, judges typically engage defendants in a courtroom “colloquy,” or verbal exchange, to make sure that defendants have committed the offenses to which they are pleading guilty. In federal courts, defendants MUST TESTIFY UNDER OATH to the facts establishing their guilt. Moreover, before accepting a guilty plea, judges have to be sure that defendants are aware of the rights they are giving up by pleading guilty. For a “knowing and intelligent” guilty plea to be made, defendants have to, admit to the conduct made punishable by the law, admit and understand the charges against them, they must understand the consequences of the plea and the possible sentences that could be given were the defendant to have a trial, and finally, to know and understand the rights that they are waiving (giving up) by pleading guilty, including the right to counsel if unrepresented, the right to a jury trial, the right not to incriminate themselves, and the right to confront and cross-examine their accusers.

Judges generally ask the defendant a fairly long list of questions to determine whether the plea is KNOWING AND INTELLIGENT.

Does THIS sufficiently inform you? Proly not, huh?

excon

Side: Lying ain't good
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I can't help that except to try to inform you with the facts

You laughably false hypocrite. You reject facts the moment they interfere with you pretending to be a Jewish war hero.

The only reason you switched to voting for Democrats in the first place is because they are too frightened to call you out on the stack of lies you keep telling.

Side: I LIKE to lie