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Gun Control laws don't work Gun Free Zone in Gun Free City
Debate Score:47
Arguments:37
Total Votes:73
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 Gun Control laws don't work (17)
 
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For the Gun Control Supporters How did people get killed by guns at Mercy H in Chicago?

If Chicago is a gun free city and Mercy Hospital is a Gun Free Zone then how did three innocent people lose their lives to Gun violence? The answer is that gun restrictions only create victims for those who don't follow the laws. 

Gun Control laws don't work

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Gun Free Zone in Gun Free City

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outlaw60(15500) Disputed
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When you have strong gun control laws in a city but that city resides in a state with lax gun laws, and is surrounded by states with even more lax gun laws its not hard to get ahold of one. Chicagos laws cant work thanks to surrounding areas. Also gun show and private sale loopholes make it even easier.

Looking at chicagos laws in a vaccuum is idiotic

Look the dummy toes the party line about gun show and private sale loopholes ! It is laughable to see you idiots speak by the uninformed media that you feed on.

Side: Gun Free Zone in Gun Free City
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So what you are saying is that unless there is strict gun control world wide evil people will get guns from outside of the gun free zones. Brilliant, that is exactly what happens.

Side: Gun Control laws don't work
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When you have strong gun control laws in a city but that city resides in a state with lax gun laws, and is surrounded by states with even more lax gun laws its not hard to get ahold of one. Chicagos laws cant work thanks to surrounding areas. Also gun show and private sale loopholes make it even easier.

Another great point and one I have made myself many times. It's like trying to create a green zone in the middle of a war. If you make guns a legal right everywhere else except Chicago, then obviously the people who live in Chicago are not going to be happy about being singled out for what they will unequivocally view as a punishment. Hence, as you imply, they will simply drive to another city and purchase one.

Side: Gun Control laws don't work
outlaw60(15500) Disputed
1 point

Let's show a fool a fool !!!!!!!!!!

https://wgntv.com/2018/07/20/police-have-seized-5100-illegal-guns-this-year-chicago-officials-say/

CHICAGO — Chicago Police Supt. Eddie Johnson and Mayor Rahm Emanuel announced Friday that police have recovered 5,170 illegal guns so far in 2018.

That’s more guns than the New York City and Los Angeles police departments combined.

Police said guns were recovered through a combination of field and traffic stops, precision raids, search warrants and gun turn-in programs.

The vast majority of guns were semi-automatic handguns, police said. Also recovered were 163 assault-style weapons, including AK-47 and AR-15 rifles. So far this year, police said, 2,377 individuals have been arrested on gun-related charges.

“I commend our officers for doing the difficult and dangerous work of taking more than 5,000 illegal guns off the streets this year,” Emanuel said. “Every illegal gun recovered means fewer potential senseless shootings, fewer tragedies and less gun violence in our city.”

“There are far too many guns on the streets of Chicago,” Johnson said, “and the men and women of this department remain committed to creating a culture of accountability to deter individuals from engaging in senseless gun violence. We will continue our efforts to protect neighborhoods and stand shoulder-to-shoulder with community partners who are working toward a safer Chicago.”

5,170 illegal guns are coming from another city ?????? Was not mentioned in the link

Side: Gun Free Zone in Gun Free City
1 point

Instead of desperately scrambling for obstacles to throw in the way of basic fucking common sense, why don't you simply take a look at the absolute multitude of countries in which gun restrictions have drastically reduced gun violence?

Side: Gun Free Zone in Gun Free City
smilinbobs(598) Clarified
1 point

You have stated it correctly with strict gun restrictions you don't change the violent or criminal nature of the people who commit these crimes you only change the tools they use to commit them. Like in Europe where instead of killing 6 people with a gun they kill 20 with truck. Is that the solution?

Side: Gun Control laws don't work
TheDevil Disputed
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Sure, gun violence. What else would you expect where the guns outnumber the people? They're a tool of convenience.

But overall homicide rate? Nope. Go look up the per capita murder rate for different countries worldwide, the US is hardly any kind of statistical outlier. Same goes for our per capita suicide rate.

And for the love of fuck, will you stop calling it "common sense" when you can't even defend your arguments with the simplest logic? I get it, you think your side is the only one capable of basic human empathy, and you think that makes you infallible. Neither point is true, and slapping on a label of "common sense" doesn't make it so any more than when some theistic dolt tells you that worshiping a deity is "common sense".

Side: Gun Control laws don't work
1 point

Well said common sense is not as common as one would think.

Side: Gun Control laws don't work
1 point

For the Gun Control Supporters How did people get killed by guns at Mercy H in Chicago?

Hello b:

Ever hear of cars?? Didja know Indiana is right close to Chicago? Didja know that Indiana is NOT a gun free zone?

This is NOT hard stuff to know..

excon

Side: Gun Free Zone in Gun Free City
outlaw60(15500) Disputed
1 point

For the Gun Control Supporters How did people get killed by guns at Mercy H in Chicago?

Hello b:

Ever hear of cars?? Didja know Indiana is right close to Chicago? Didja know that Indiana is NOT a gun free zone?

This is NOT hard stuff to know..

excon

Now SUPER STUPID is toeing the party line with the ignorance fed to him by Media Propaganda !!

Side: Gun Control laws don't work
outlaw60(15500) Disputed
1 point

https://www.usnews.com/news/healthiest-communities/articles/2018-06-11/a-look-at-todays-chicago-gangs-and-how-theyve-changed

Chicago gangs continue to expand into the suburbs. Of 122 suburban police departments that responded to a Chicago Crime Commission survey, 80 said gangs were in their communities. The gangs with the largest presence in suburbia are the Latin Kings, Gangster Disciples, Surenos 13, Maniac Latin Disciples and Vice Lords.

Now according to SUPER STUPID these gang members are crossing into Indiana to buy guns !!!!!!!!! What a FUCKING JOKE you are !!!!!!!!!!!!

Side: Gun Control laws don't work
1 point

He thinks that gang member buy their guns at the gun store, LOL

Side: Gun Control laws don't work
smilinbobs(598) Disputed
1 point

So you agree that no matter what laws there are against Gun ownership people will possess them illegally? Does this equate to only criminals will have guns? If that is the case would these laws benefit the law abiding citizens of the USA? This would mean that the law abiding citizens would be the only people unarmed and at the mercy of those with mal intent with an illegal gun

Side: Gun Control laws don't work