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What's wrong with a brown nose I already knew they where scum
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Rich man's ass kisser?

Higher social class predicts increased unethical behavior PNAS 2012 109 (11) 4086-4091; published ahead of print February 27, 2012, doi:10.1073/pnas.1118373109

Higher social class predicts increased unethical behavior 10.1073/pnas.1118373109...Seven studies using experimental and naturalistic methods reveal that upper-class individuals behave more unethically than lower-class individuals...
 

What's wrong with a brown nose

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I already knew they where scum

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You are one poor fellow (yes that was a pun).

Side: What's wrong with a brown nose

I'm posting this on behalf of thousandin1 taken from his Reward Points.

-1 47mins ago Downvoted Argument Rich man's ass kisser?

-1 47mins ago Downvoted Argument Rich man's ass kisser?

He down-voted the studies I posted and so he most have a brown nose or entire brown face is more likely.

Side: What's wrong with a brown nose
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Some of this research seems a bit suspect, but without getting into that I will say quite simply that the conclusion would not necessarily surprise me if it were true. The publication included in this debate highlights the greater acceptability of trait characteristics such as greed, and I do think that financial success generally follows from a differentiated moral composition than is common.

Given the relativity if morality, however, I find it somewhat obtuse to say the wealthier are more unethical when it might be more accurate to say they are ethically differentiated.

Side: I already knew they where scum

I always enjoy the doings of the mentally insane, like down-voting facts. Such pure genius to down-vote that in which you cannot undo. And people think the god Christians worship is done by blind faith. The truly blind is those that worship the rich.

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I wonder if this study simply shows that rich people have figured out what you can get away with and that no one will stop them if they do it. Poor people still think they will get in trouble.

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Double posting ignore .

Side: I already knew they where scum

I'm sure that is the case, because the rich often commit crimes through corporations in which individuals aren't generally held liable.

Poor people still think they will get in trouble.

Poor people do get in trouble, this is the problem. Rich people simply pay fines, poor people do jail time. There exist a double standard, a large part of this is due to how corporations are held accountable. One can commit murder through the means of a corporation and not a single person will do jail time. Commit a murder as an individual and your put on death row.

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If time is money, then this isn't a double standard.

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Study 2 The famous 1980 study of Clinard, Yeager and others found that more than 60% of the 300 corporations they studies committed at least one crime and averaged 4.2 crimes.

Marshall B. Clinard, emeritus professor of sociology, University of Wisconsin-Madison, is widely known for his publications in the fields of criminology and deviant behavior, including four books on corporate crime. Peter C. Yeager, professor of sociology at Boston University, is the author of The Limits of the Law: The Public Regulation of Private Pollution.

http://www2.gwu.edu/~ccps/etzioni/documents/A366.pdf

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Study 3 Sutherland discovered that the 70 corporations had 980 decisions, meaning that they averaged 14 illegal acts apiece. Nearly all companies, 97.1%, had two or more adverse decisions. Citing these results, he concluded that the “criminality of the corporations, like that of professional thieves, is persistent: a large proportion of the offenders are recidivists” (1983, p. 227)."

http://www.sagepub.com/upm-data/3817111

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