Forced parenting classes and psychological evaluation before having children?
Most Americans are blind to the underbelly of our society, in which millions of children and babies are neglected, abused, forgotten, and unloved.
Me, I'm for sterilization. Of course, that's never going to happen.
Is there anything else we can do to reduce the number of child abuse/neglect/endangerment cases?
By the way, it really is a downward spiral. Abused children are far more likely to grow into unstable adults who abuse THEIR children, and so on, and so on.
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I have a better idea.
I was thinking of the movie Idiocracy, which I highly highly recomend.
anyway, i know it will never happen, but i've come up with a really simple solution, probably lots of people have had this same thought, but i'll say it anyway.
humans need to be fixed. They can still have sex, but just fix them.
that is at birth, or some time before pueberty, just tie the tubes or whatever. today we can reverse these types of procedures...
so at the age of 25 or whatever, if you want kids, you take an IQ test, plus parenting classes and have a psychological evaluation.
Now since we are overpopulated, say you need to be a little above average at these tests to be allowed 1 kid, someone really smart gets 2, and geniuses 3. these numbers can be changed depending on the needs of society.
kinda confusing here, since it still takes 2 people to have kids for the most part, you'd have to take the average, so genius chick = 3 + above average dude = 1. this couple gets 2 kids.
The genius chick could hook up with some other guy, and have one more kid, but the dude's stuck with what he has. See it's kinda fun, because dumb people don't get math so they wouldn't even know where to start.
I know, people will bitch and moan about all kinds of this and that, about wanting kids and they're precious and the future, and even god's intention,
The fact is, there's just too many fucking people. there's so many people, that some people starve to death because there's not enough food, there's not enough land for all the people, and all kinds of things like trees that produce oxygen and animals are dying off.
And now, with the polar ice caps melting there's soon to be even less room for all these people.
this will lead to wars, and more starvation
and people just keep having fucking kids.
The stupidest guy I've ever known, probably legally retarded, wants 10 kids, he's reached 33.33333333 percent of his objective already, and no amount of reason will deter him, because he doesn't understand reason, just basic human instinct
This needs to stop, truely i find it disgusting
I agree with this 200%. I work in a daycare I see so many parents that are not ready for parenting and they need the help from the classes but won't take them because I'm sure finding time is difficult on top of not spending money. It should be a law to protect the children. Nobody is ever a teacher, a nurse, a daycare provider, a nanny, a parent adopting a child has to take classes.....anyone handling children don't handle them unless they have gone to school for it. In todays world, parents are their to raise their children and not properly raised child becoming adults is a big problem in our society. Infant care is a big one, there is so much information to how to care for a new born. For the unplanned and unexpected pregnancies out there we need to make sure that the mothers of those children are ready and knowledgeable about what they need to do.
I think there could be a test, so the ones who really need it are forced into it and the ones who don't really need it and prove that don't need to take it.
I want this to be a law to protect the children!!
I think there should be a "job interview" for parenting because that's what it is; another job. Depending on this interview, parenting classes could be enforced for some people. Free countries we are, but when our own actions effect others, maybe regulation should come into play.
I have a new argument that I need replies on. Even though it wouldn't hurt to have it done, the psychological evaluation and the "parenting class" as the debate says, thats not what I want. I want to see mothers who are having children being educated about children. There are many things to know and to learn. Infancy and what is needed to keep them healthy. The proper toys and activities at the proper age as they grow older. I want them to be taught what teachers, nannies and day care providers go through to be able to handle children on a daily basic. Just because a women is a women and she is having a baby does not mean she knows what she is doing. She can go to her mother, family/friends and a baby bog website but she will not learn what she really needs to learn and to know unless she wants to. Many mothers don't want to because of their personal life, they don't have time, they don't have money, they just don't care or maybe they don't even know that this is available to them. I believe it should be the hospitals that send out the information and encourage. I don't believe, unless someone starts a protest, that the gov't of the United States would take this as a law. Hospitals though, can do what they can to try and influence, and advertise a parenting program or ad to help them with their children.
haha i really enjoyed reading those arguments; and im totally with you guys on this. people who may argue that we are messing with evolution or that try to argue that we are playing god by doing something about who should and shouldn't have kids should realize that we're not trying to play god we're doing the morally correct thing by thinning out the population of those who are should NOT have kids. its obviously nothing but a good thing.
They should defenitely go into classes before they have children. Some people really don't see the harm they are doing to children when they realize oh I had a child and I hate him or give them away to the next person.
I know some people from the hospital I work in who have children every year and then dump them off on other family members or leave them in the hospital. We usually just tell them see you in nine months.
Children can't choose their parents. A lot of children are physically, psychologically, and/or sexually abused by parents. Some children who are abused may abuse their own children because of how they were raised. Some people are mentally ill; they need treatment whether it is counseling or/and medication. The parenting classes will help parents raise their children. Parenting classes and a psychological evaluation will probably prevent child abuse.
In communist Russia it isn't a debate, but this is land of the free. Most people will agree that they shouldn't have to live to the standard of the elite, and that especially includes on how they shall raise their children.
no, many psychologists will agree that most parents don't know how to properly raise a child to be a successful person, but think about it, this is a libertarian system where people make up so many different parts of the country. I've noticed that although i'd raise my child the "right" way, many children become so many different kinds of important people based off of the un-elite ways that parents raise their children. hell, parents have been raising children through traditional methods for thousands of years, so why should we just force another way onto people if one system already worked.
I'm not really talking about how to raise your child to be a certain way or to be successful or whatever. I'm talking more along the lines of preventing child abuse and neglect, like that woman who microwaved her 4-month old daughter, or those people in Texas who abused their 6-month old son so badly you can categorize it as torture. These are not isolated cases. Sometimes we hear about them in the news if the case is particularly egregious, but in general children and babies all over the country have miserable lives.
I see why you would think this, and I am amazed by some of the people who have children, but it may be used as population control, and that's not right. I do think that it would be worthwhile to perhaps do evaluations, but people could lie, and corruption could take the entire thing way out of control.
It isn't the government's right to interfere with personal matters such as child birth without just cause. We aren't China people! We live in a Democratic Republic Country, not a Communist Country or a Monarchy. We have individual rights and one of them is that the government can't interfere with personal matters without just cause.
We do have individual rights. Babies and children, the most vulnerable of all, should be the ones on whom the concept of individual right is placed with most emphasis.
I didn't say we are China, I didn't say we should enforce population control.
And you say 'just cause,' but when it comes to babies and children, it is not enough just to prosecute those abusers who happen to be caught (a small percentage, by the way). Abuse and neglect needs to be prevented.
Did I mention some people like to torture babies?
I think I said that in a previous debate. It's true.
And happens more often than one might think.
In the five rebuttals you've put up plus the debate description I haven't seen you put up one that would speak to a viable or legal remedy or remedies for your own debate! One cannot enforce something that is illegal and against one's civil rights.
This issue is split into two or more categories as it is. We have a problem with people just being uninformed parents who learn as they go along with some help from mothers and friends. Then we have those that are mentally deranged enough to put a baby into a microwave, dumpster or torture a child in so many different ways. In the first case we have a situation where we as friends, family, doctors and teachers would certainly be able to help in many different ways. Parenting, unfortunately, doesn't come with an instruction manual. In the second case we have those whose family, friends, doctors and teachers should be aware of the child's behavior, physical injuries and intercede for the children.
Prevention is only as good as those who are willing to identify the problem. Many tend to turn the other way even when they know something unhealthy is afoot. Others may raise their children differently but yield to the parents right to raise their own children in their own way. Still others will call Child Welfare Services if they see a mother or father give a child a small smack on the hand or thigh! It is a conundrum because of all the variables.
There certainly wouldn't be anything wrong with the mother's OB/GYN giving out information packets for new parents and if both parents are going to Lamaze classes perhaps they should also give out the same information on becoming a parent. Both could reach into the realm of psychology and ask some pertinent questions. The problem here is that even if a Doctor or Instructor found something wrong, what are they going to do about it? What can they do about it? Nothing! And if they did, they'd have their scrubs sued off of them!
So, what do YOU think Zofia? What can be done?
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I'm as mad about the abused and abandoned children as anyone else. And I'm annoyed with teenagers having babies as early as they can as if there's some sort of competition going on. And I'm flabergasted with dumb people having kids in general. But what can we REALLY do about any of this? Besides helping them when they ask, there's nothing we can really do at all. Dumb people don't think they dumb; we can't stop teenagers from having sex whatsoever (and it's unfortunate they get babies easier than well educated women in their 30s ready to have a baby). I've heard about what China does to control the amount of babies in their country, and although it's a little insane, they have guts. But then, the chinese aren't half as awful as many Americans are.
But anyways... forced parenting and psych evaluations would be quite ideal, but it's never going to happen.
It would be great if we could- if only stable, loving families could have children, only when they were ready.
However, to do this you would have to regulate sex, or fertility, or force abortions- all of which are heinous violations of privacy. If it said "free" or "recommended" before parenting classes/ psychological evaluation, it would be a good idea- however, it doesn't. We should make these services available and hope that they are taken advantage of.
I completely agree that more needs to be done to stop kids from being abused.
But forced parenting and psychological evaluations would do nothing to stop this problem.
Because people can have kids whenever they like, and there's no way to force them not to, or to force them to take parenting classes or get psychological evaluations.
And, who is to determine who passes and who fails, if it were even possible to administer this?
There is no way to tell what kind of parent someone is going to be.