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Foreign media mocks American media as propaganda arm of ANTIFA

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I mock them, too. The MSM here is nothing more than opinion and advocacy for liberalism under the guise of news.

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I mock them, too. The MSM here is nothing more than opinion and advocacy for liberalism under the guise of news.

This is false. Indeed, quite the opposite is true. Herman and Chomsky pointed out in 1988, after a thorough study of American media dating back half a century, that the American right has been accusing the MSM of being too far left for decades (despite their data showing the opposite), as a means to drive it further to the right. This "flak" which the media receives from the elitist wingnuts and lobbyists on the right, forms one of their five "filters" which determines which information is published by the media and, indeed, can be seen historically as the American centre has progressively been dragged further and further to the right in comparison to Europe and the rest of the modern world.

It is attitudes and arguments such as yours, where reality is literally turned upside down, which lead me to believe America is going to violently implode before much longer. You cannot sustain a society which is based on deception, propaganda, the lack of political education and naivety of voters over a long term period. America gets crazier with each passing day and, sooner or later, it is going to implode.

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I don't care what Herman Munster and Gnome Chompsky say; I watch the MSM, mostly MSNBC and CNN. They are as liberal as it gets and that's a fact, Jack. I don't need someone to tell me what they're about; I watch them directly and they are liberal advocacy under the guise of news.

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Foreign media mocks American media as propaganda arm of ANTIFA

Hello J:

It wasn't long ago that the right wing was pulling its hair out over the "New Black Panthers".. Turns out, the new black panthers were 5 old black guys.. This FEAR campaign is reminiscent of those good 'ol days.

IF ANTIFA is sooooo bad, you'd think you could identify their leader... K... I'm waiting..

Here's some facts: ANTIFA ideology is based around a hate for fascism and a belief that people who are thought to be fascists are inherently violent. Antifa believes violence is a useful tactic to combat violence from the alt-right.

The idea is that if more people had brawled in the streets with actual Nazis then Hitler and the Nazi party would have never risen to power. That, of course, is why I LIKE them so much.

Antifa has no leader and no clear organization. However, there are organized, localized groups who have followings on social media, such as the Rose City Antifa in Portland, Oregon.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RoseCityAntifa

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It wasn't long ago that the right wing was pulling its hair out over the "New Black Panthers"..

The Black Panthers had a moral system they worked under. Today's media and ANTIFA do not.

This FEAR campaign is reminiscent of those good 'ol days.

You can point out that the left has become psychopathic whether fear is involved or not. The Black Panthers didn't torch cities, murder a bunch of people, and burn churches.

IF ANTIFA is sooooo bad, you'd think you could identify their leader... K... I'm waiting..

You can be evil and do evil things without a figurehead. Plus their leaders hide their identities just like other gang and mob leaders intentionally.

Here's some facts: ANTIFA ideology is based around a hate for fascism and a belief that people who are thought to be fascists are inherently violent.

Yet we see no right wingers present. We just see ANTIFA burning down cities that are mostly left wing.

Antifa believes violence is a useful tactic to combat violence from the alt-right.

There are no right wingers present. There's ANTIFA burning down black neighborhoods, churches and businesses. Right wingers are watching these maniacs from afar on tv.

The idea is that if more people had brawled in the streets with actual Nazis then Hitler and the Nazi party would have never risen to power. That, of course, is why I LIKE them so much.

They ARE the Nazis. Fascism was created by a Communist. No one denies this. And they are doing nothing differently than the Nazis. Burning churches, attacking civilians, censoring all opposition, and demonizing a group who isn't fighting them.

An overt ANTIFA member on this very site calls people he dislikes "Jewish pricks" and denies your Jewishness to your face. Looks like you've chosen to bend the knee to the swastika.

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But, Stalin wanted to crush all left-wing parties who were not the Communist party; this led to a civil war amongst the Republican movement in Spain. Orwell got caught up in this and it made him really disgusted with Stalin and the Communist party.

“the Communists stood not upon the extreme Left, but upon the extreme right. In reality this should come as no surprise, because of the tactics of the Communist parties elsewhere.”

-George Orwell, Homage to Catalonia

https://www.biographyonline.net/socialism-george-orwell/

http://www.george-orwell.org/HomagetoCatalonia/4.html

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Here's some facts: ANTIFA ideology is based around a hate for fascism and a belief that people who are thought to be fascists are inherently violent. Antifa believes violence is a useful tactic to combat violence from the alt-right.

You honestly make me sick. You're such a two-faced rat bastard. I'm an Antifa supporter, I'm on the far left, and earlier you were insinuating I must be a Nazi solely because I keep pointing out that you are a liar who lies about being Jewish.

You have absolutely no business falsely associating yourself with either Antifa or Jews, you delusional bag of shit. You're a glory seeker. You claim to be things you are not in order to claim credit or sympathy for things which have nothing to do with you, which as far as I am concerned makes you about as low as they come.

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The idea is that if more people had brawled in the streets with actual Nazis then Hitler and the Nazi party would have never risen to power.

No it isn't. The Nazis spent the better part of a decade brawling in the streets with Communists.

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And these people are actual Nazis. They have just re-branded themselves.

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JamesBallew(51) Disputed
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Joseph Goebells, Minister of Nazism-

Communism. Jewry. I am a German Communist.

Peter Longerich, Goebbels: A Biography, New York, NY, Random House (2015) p. 26, “Erinnerungsblätter,” 27, Part 1, Volume 1, page 27, (diary entry: 1924)

The social is a stopgap. Socialism is the ideology of the future.

Open Letter to Ernst Graf zu Reventlow in the Völkische Freiheit, 1925, as quoted in Goebbels: A Biography, Peter Longerich, Random House, 2015, p. 55

Lenin was the greatest man, second only to Hitler, and the difference between communism and the Hitler faith is very slight.

The New York Times, “HITLERITE RIOT IN BERLIN: Beer Glasses Fly When Speaker Compares Hitler and Lenin,” (Nov. 28, 1925) p. 4.

https://en.m.wikiquote.org/wiki/JosephGoebbels

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Cherry picking quotes and misrepresenting their context again I see, you snivelling little Nazi.

Fascism is often considered to be a reaction to communist and socialist uprisings in Europe.[24] Italian Fascism, founded and led by Benito Mussolini, took power after years of leftist unrest led many conservatives to fear that a communist revolution was inevitable. Nazi Germany's massacres and killings included the persecution of communists[25][26] and among the first to be sent to concentration camps.[27]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-communism#Fascism andNazism

So Italian Conservatives started fascism because they were shitting bricks at the thought of a Communist uprising. It's there in black and white for you. Frame it, you dirty little Nazi.

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