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 Former atheistic cold case homicide detective investigates the gospel and believes. (27)

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Former atheistic cold case homicide detective investigates the gospel and believes.

https://youtu.be/x-TG-ztDTOc
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That was a great video! Thanks! I will try to find some more writings by this guy since I enjoy him and I can relate quite a bit to his story, having been a former Atheist myself.

I wish he would have contacted me during his research so I could give him my testimony as well. Maybe he would include it in his book. But no, I really shouldn't seek fame or popularity. This is not why God saved me.

This sort of reminds me of another book I read by a Chicago lawyer who was an atheist and then found God. I cannot remember the name, I think the title of the book was "The Case for Christ." I want to say the last name may have been Strobel but I'm not sure. I will check it out.

thanks again.

ps.......speaking of my Salvation Vision...check out my new avatar! It depicts the vision. I am very happy with my new pic. i might get a tattoo of it on my arm.

"onward christian soldiers....marching as to war....."

God Bless.

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
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I don't read anything you say because if I keep seeing your threats I"m going to seriously report you to authorities. You've said enough here about your past crimes and your intentions of continuing to commit crimes that they are probably monitoring you already. Your're a psychopath who hurt a lot of people, by your own boasting, and then got so sick of yourself you were ready to blow your brains out, and your mind opened up for a demon inspired waking dream hallucination in which you saw flame cutting curtains open, and then you found a Bible opened to a page talking about the veil of the temple which never is in flames, has never been cut by fire, but somehow you think your hallucination pictured the veil of the temple being open to you so you can go in to the holy place. Your going in through the fire alright, but it's not a holy place you feel you have the power to enter now, it's not a holy place you feel inspired to drive forward into, it's the fire of Hell, the burning curtains were the gates of Hell opening for you and demons have fooled you into thinking you are moving toward holiness. You're a psychotic bastard and i"m not going to be reading any of your stuff because my response to threats is generally "bring it on". You need to change your tone, and accept the fact that a lot of people in this world know the roots of your church and know it's beliefs and practices and know it is a cult, a new age religion which is a mix of Hindu and occult beliefs and practices. It's Satanism in reality, though well masked, and you feel like you have powers to drive your life and you fit well in Unity Church. Fine. Most of them are decent law abiding citizens. Maybe you will calm down from the associations so you stop feeling the urge to commit crimes......but I doubt it.

The best I can do is ignore you and not read anything you say, and for the sake of others you want to deceive you the way you are deceived by your religion I will remain firm in my message against the cult of Unity Church which is not Christian.

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https://youtu.be/x-TG-ztDTOc

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An Atheist Reads Cold-Case Christianity: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL0-LSnSBNIndBRbuFudY4iEkJ_KydGSDh

Steve Shives: read through and response to Cold Case: Christianity.

It doesn't get more on-topic than that.

AveSatanas(4443) Clarified Banned
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Also, this is pretty much anecdotal. So this guy is a homicide detective. How does that make him an authority on the bible, biblical history, science, theology, etc? And how is his experience evidence of its truth? He was convinced, but why should that be evidence to me? Other people read through the same things he did and concluded that Christianity was not true. So it's their word vs his.

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
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He was an atheist like you, and intrigued by the gospels as they read like eyewitness accounts. So he set out as a detective to investigate the claims and found the evidence to meet the burden of proof he would require for a cold case homicide in court. The man NEVER LOST A COURT CASE when he opened a cold case homicide.

Why don't you shut your big stupid atheistic fool mouth and listen for a change?

JustIgnoreMe(4290) Clarified Banned
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Wow, definitely a comment worth banning.....

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
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It should be evidence to you for the same reason it is evidence to all who believe....it is the most reasonable conclusion to believe the story is true. Sir Lionell Luckhoo, listed in the Guiness Book of Word Records as the worlds most sucessful lawyer, twice knighted by the Queen of England said: "I have spent more than forty-two years as a defense trial lawyer appearing in many parts of the world....I say unequivoally the evidence for the resurrection of Jesus Christ is so overwhelming that it compels acceptance by proof which leaves no reasonable doubt."

You got banned because of your habitual bad habits with me, potty mouth. You should believe the gospel for your own sake to be saved from Hell. The evidence is there, and if you don't see your need it's only because you are blind, willfully ignorant.

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
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when Steve Shives has been a cold case homicide detective for fifteen years, then he can talk. untill then, he's just another fool.

Ayemaker(237) Banned
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That's wonderful. Why don't you go to one of his seminars so you can learn how to defend your faith logically.

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
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Sorry, Islam is not allowed here, you'll have to take it somewhere else. Try sharing it with the Jews

Jacobcoolguy(2428) Clarified Banned
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Why did you ban him? He seemed supportive of you.

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
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So you see he explains the faith of God in Jesus Christ logically, or you are not listening and only making stupid comments? I'll un-ban you tentatively to see what you say. If you insult my intelligence and are not listening to the points of the video, you will be re-banned and won't get another chance to continue discussing with me here.

JustIgnoreMe(4290) Clarified Banned
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Wow, definitely a comment worth banning.....

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I watched some of it, but its a bit long. Its mainly small talk and his early experiences with Christians as a detective. Could you give me the point were he makes the arguments?

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
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Listen to the whole thing. If you won't hear it from him, you won't hear it from me. I've said it many times, you reject it, why should I waste my time with you? If you think you don't need to be saved from Hell, don't read my posts because I'm here to tell people they need to be saved from Hell and I know the Savior who can save them.

JustIgnoreMe(4290) Clarified Banned
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Wow, definitely a comment worth banning.....

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
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Looks like you got yourself banned again, congratulations. Think of it this way....right now you are in a place where you can appreciate good things. If God bans you, you will be in Hell forever, kinda like I banned you from being in this discussion forever. You are as good as banned now, your time is running out. Dying ends in time here, in Hell it never ends. Go on and see if evolution can keep you out of Hell.

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So what?

All this proves is that delusion is an equal opportunity employer. So former detectives and even the rare scientist can fall into the world of make believe. Whenever I read a book by one of these former atheists who became believers I notice a recurring trend. They usually were at a very dissatisfied point in their lives, for whatever reason, and so they began searching for some sort of escapism. Usually something that would allow them to escape reality.

Religion of course is excellent for this!

SS

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
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I guess you missed the part about the man being a cold case homicide detective who never lost a case after he retrieved it from the cold case files and brought it back into trial. He was intrigued by the gospels because they read as eyewitness accounts, and he set out to disprove them and found their credibility to be beyond reasonable doubt.

Nobody ever believes on Jesus as their Savior unless they see their need. Until you see that there is something wrong with you, you will never seek God's solution. Your efforts to trash every Christian by saying they were emotionally needy when they turned to believe on Jesus is true. It takes a real man to get real and admit they are at fault and do not have the solution. Evolution is not the solution, dying is not an escape. You need God's help, we all do, and it takes a real man to admit it.

Since you enjoy trashing people's character even though they are doing nothing wrong, what do you think of Sir Lionell Luckhoo, listed in the Guiness Book of World Records as the worlds most sucessful lawyer. He took the same investigative approach as the cold case homicide detective in the subject video......Sir Lionell Luckoo set out to prove the gospel story to be lies and came out with this statement: "I have spent more than forty-two years as a defense trial lawyer appearing in many parts of the world....I say unequivoally the evidence for the resurrection of Jesus Christ is so overwhelming that it compels acceptance by proof which leaves no reasonable doubt."

You are avoiding an objective examination of the facts...and could it be because you know that if you believe on Jesus, you have to take sides with God in His view of sexual indulgences? God's way is the best way, I wouldn't bank a dime on the marriage you are talking about the way you play with fire., though I do hope it lasts forever and you are happy ever after.......but I won't bank on it from what I've seen.

Comeon, give me a break. Do you see any evidence that the cold case homicide detective is trying to escape reality? Is he hiding from reality or is he being honest? Atheists are the ones trying to escape reality in death, trying to get out of being who they are. You don't get out in death. A lot of people tried suicide and found they don't get out in death. Believing life came from dirt and you get out in death is a religion of futility, a false hope, and a tragic mistake. I hope you wake up before you wake up in Hell. People say all kinds of nasty stuff about me, and you know I can fire back at them pretty good, but I'm really a softy, tenderhearted and I feel sorry for people who don't know God's love for them is real.

SlapShot(2608) Disputed
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I don't see how anybody could think the gospels prove anything beyond the shadow of a doubt. Hell, they don't even give good evidence of a god or of Jesus rising from the dead.

A real lawyer would know what "hearsay" is. The former detective should know this too. And when you get down to it that is all the bible is: hearsay. And its also hearsay with many contradictions of the alleged eye witness accounts. The gospels cannot even agree on who found Jesus' empty tomb!! Or what his last words were! Or what the hell he did or where he was during 18 or so years of his entire life!!

IN reality anybody in court who presented such contradicting and flimsy eye witness accounts would have their case tossed out of court quicker than you could say "mistrial."

And remember that the first gospel was not even written for a good 30 years till after Jesus died! The last gospel was written a good 60 years after JC died! Can you imagine going into court with hearsay anecdotal accounts that old! It would be a joke.

As is the idea of a sky god who created us and cares about us.

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Saintnow(3684) Disputed
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I became a Christian in large part because I wanted to be sure I could not end up in Hell. People told me I would be saved if I prayed something like this: "Dear God, I know I'm a sinner and deserve to die, and I believe Jesus is your Son, God the Son who died for my sins and rose from the grave and offers forgiveness so I'm receiving Him as my Savior now". I prayed that prayer many times, but I never really believed God heard and answered that prayer.......AND HE DID NOT!!!!. Then one day I was around a bunch of guys who were trying to tell a minister that they were Christians, and I knew those guys personally and they were perverts and dope heads. The minister was pointing to John 3:18, and John 3:36....He that believes not shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him. I looked at those guys and said to myself: "those guys are liars, they are not Christians or they would not be doing the things they do. They don't believe on Jesus, so they don't see life. Even though they have eyes, they are blind....and I pictured God's wrath abiding on their shoulders kinda like Atlas carrying the world only those guys were unaware they were carrying the load of the wrath of God against their sin...AND THEN I REALIZED I WAS ONE OF THEM!!! I had a head knowledge, I tried to believe, but I had not really believed on Jesus. I had said the prayer asking God to save me, but it was not from my heart. Suddenly I knew I deserved to die and burn in Hell and I believed with my heart, and at that moment I came into agreement with God as to His righteousness to kill me at any moment and my need of His mercy, and His provision of mercy in that He poured out His anger against my sin on Himself, on His own Son....and He lives to be my life, my forgiveness, I received Him for real, Jesus is alive and lives in my by His Holy Spirit, I have a heavenly father now and I am born of His spirit, I am His property bought and paid for by His own blood which covers my sin, "Saint" means set apart for God, God's property. You can't touch this!!! Even if the Muslims cut my head off, they can't touch this!!!! God owns me and nobody can get me away from Him.

I'm Saintnow. God has a new name for me, it's on a white stone He will give me when i get to Heaven.

Sure there is a recurring trend of people searching to escape the reality of their dying. That's what God is offering you, a way out of dying into eternal life. Unless you are dissatisfied with your life, you won't seek life from God. If you can be satisfied with dying, then be satisfied with it but you don't get out of reality that way, you'll wake up in Hell dying forever like an eternal frying sausage. I'm not trying to send you there or wish it on you, I'm not trying to judge you, I'm not happy to say you are on your way to Hell. I simply hate to see you go. I'll honestly miss you.

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Sounds like you basically took Pascal up on his wager, when you decided to become a Christian. I never understood that. Or Pascal's wager. As if somebody could just decide to believe in god if they were an atheist. I know I could not. I would feel like I was living a lie and fooling myself.

Besides, and don't take this personal, but I am not sure god wants somebody to "come to the wining side" just because he WANTS to be on the winning side and does not want to go to Hell.

This is where good works comes in. If I was a Christian I wouild be a firm supporter of the Good Works Doctrine of James and Paul, and I guess the Catholic Church. Faith without works is dead indeed.

If I were you I would make sure I did those good works if you are so concerned about not going to Hell. Me? I like to think I do them anyway out of a desire to help my fellow man. And I don't need a god in the equation. I just live the best I can and try to not lie or hurt anybody and treat people like I want to be treated and also help others when I can. And I will support my family.

If your god would condemn a man to hell who does all these things I do but just does not believe in him, but otherwise lives a good life--one as good or better than many Christians--well I would have no respect for him and would think him to be a jealous and petty god.

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Akarnisian(7) Banned
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2 cis white males two many!!! LOL!!! SO Racist.

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
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has anybody told you that you are a weirdo???????????????????????