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"Gaps" of the atheists
The "God of gaps" is a term used to describe how young earth creationists support their intelligent design theory. It is how they support "irredusable complexity" and combat evolution. In reality it is simply a lack of imagination and is equivelant to them saying I [insert name here] cannot imagine how [insert a biological organ or process] couldve evolved" and is a very weak arguement. As a old-age creationists I find similar arguements with atheists when i present my ideas. They do not see any mention of planets or galaxies or any specific mention of evolution and dismiss the idea. They ignore certian literary devices and the hebrew language completely. My question is the "god of gaps" comparable to the atheist refusing to look at theistic evolution and the theistic big bang due to their lack of imagination?
The Gods of the Gaps theory proclaims that which science doesn't know, it can proclaim what the "supernatural" claims,or sorry. According to science, the theory means, "That which religion cannot explain, science is there for the rescue!". How funny is that!?hahahah < - -- CMON!
I don't think so. You see an Atheist, typically, would have no problem being a theist if the deity the would worship could meet their requirements. For example if God said he was not omnibenevolent and makes mistakes like we do we could relate with him more. If he didnt know everything we could relate with him more and be like "take it easy on God, he didn't know Lucifer would rebel. He didn't know Adam and Eve would sin." Now a stance on evolution is different. Saying God did it is a possibility, but hard evidence and data trumps "possibility".
For example:
If you walk on that ice sheet you may fall. Sounds bad right?
Try this one:
If you walk on that sheet of ice you have an 81% chance of falling through. Changes your decision making doesn't it?
This is how Atheists make their decisions. Its not a lack of imagination, but an open mind. Atheists want a legitimate reason, answer, evidence, etc. No evidence has made proven him to exist, but remains a possibility
Thank you for not even staying on tooic. I am not talking about that. I realize how atheists think. I am not asking for possibility. What I am saying is they deny the two line up with the Bible.
Eve was made from Adam's rib. Please, show me a human that can rip out a rib and make a woman. Other wise desperat men would have women. Go ahead. Explain. Evolution is not supported by the bible. I think I understand more about evolution that you do. I study bacteria, viruses, plagues, fungi, etc. I have to study their origin as well and they do source back to a logical origin of their birth. Eve was made from a rib. Enough said.
I believe man and women were made divenly but the rest of creation was evolved. Man did not have enough time to make the intelligence leap needed even on the most recent and closest homo-sapien relative given by carbon dating. The Bible says the forms of life came from the water, and the land. Each cstoagory of animal came "after his kind". The actual or literal Hebrew to English translation us by means of or agency of succeeding species. Evolution is an evolution of a species to another, but the evolution is kept within the species. Their comes a point where the great x 20 grandfather is a different species, but the current and next generation are the same. The bible basically says evolution with a combination of life coming from the water and land and the literal translation of aftrr their kind. Also the Hebrew word for day, bara, can mean an unspecified amount of time.
The bible is never specific as to what it implies. However the connotatuon given is not evolution, but divine spawning of inhabitant creatures.
"And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being" Genesis 2:7
By analyzing the syntax we can assume that God made Adam from dust, and not by evolutionary circumstances. God made Adam dead. He was just a cadaver. God "breathed" life into him and he was created. I would imagine God doing the same for all animals. Actually I am positive he performed the same act of the divine uprising of life. They were created from dust. Earth material. Also if you are a Evolutionist Christian you are denying the fact that death comes as a result of sin. If evolution is true then death already existed.
Death being before sin is my interpretation. The current is as you said, sin lead to death. However what did the canivours eat in the time between their creation and the fall? Many canivours in fact most canivours reject plant fiber. In Genesis 1 it says Adam was given plants "for meat". I went back to the Hebrew and the word is used the same as the meat sacrifices that the isrealites. That means Adam had to see meat being eaten for God to make that identification.
When God makes Adam their is a complete literary shift, hinting a change in influence. The word "our" is used instead also hinting a difference in influence. I believe man was created divinely and literally breathed life into, separate from the animals. The animals were created "after their kind" man was not. Animals evolved, man did not. I believe this because of both biblical and scientific reasons.
The animals were created "after their kind" man was not. Animals evolved, man did not. I believe this because of both biblical and scientific reasons.
Animals were created in the same manner as Adam and Eve. Plants grew without rain (illogical). In fact you cannot be correct. Animals came after Adam. They spawned. That is incredibly illogical.
Animals were not created the same way. God formed man from the dust and breathed life. Animals were made from the water and land, but not formed, the different animals came from "after their kind" aka macro-evolution. I believe you are referring to Genesis 2 with the rain? All that says is God prepared the dust before he made the rest of creation.
Animals were made from dust. If dust means Earth material he made them the same way.
"And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought [them] unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that [was] the name thereof." Genesis 2:19
Pretty much Earth material.
Animals were made from the water and land, but not formed, the different animals came from "after their kind" aka macro-evolution.
Lol. No water. God clearly formed them. Isn't it ironic that the word formed is actually there in the verse?
I don't think you completely understand the syntax of your bible.
No....I read the Hebrew and literary technics. Chapter 1 describes the creation process (animals from the land, after life was started in water) and man directly from dust. If God formed every species individually, how were they created "after their kind"? Rather chapter two is showing the relationship between God animals. Genesis 1 shows that the animals were formed by a natural process, but Genesis 2 shows that doesn't mean God wasn't in control of the process. This is shown when the words "formed" G1 and "formed" G2 have two different Hebrew words.
Show me the verse that explains that life was made with water. It didn't rain. That is illogical for the creation of life. Also they were formed after Adam and thus your bible throws evolution right out the window. Otherwise you have just revealed a contradiction. The verse I gave cleary said "out of the ground". Water is never mentioned. Especially since it didn't rain. Also Cattle was the only one mentioned as their "kind". Dude read your bible properly.
"*God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
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Really?! Post the next verse please!!!! Vs. 25. And yes, the earth brought forth life. Not god forming. Life came from the ground and species appeared "after their kind".
No water is mentioned. Life was created out of the water the "day" before. Life appeared on earth then life appeared on land, exactly like evolution.
"*And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
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"And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so." This is Verse 24.
"And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that [it was] good." Verse 25.
WTF?
Clearly either all are of his kind or the cattle are excluded. Either way you still are incorrect.
And yes, the earth brought forth life. Not god forming. Life came from the ground and species appeared "after their kind".
The verses don't support you. Only the Cattle do.
No water is mentioned. Life was created out of the water the "day" before. Life appeared on earth then life appeared on land, exactly like evolution.
Oh I missed that. So God made them from water and spawned them. Still doesn't follow evolution since only the cattle came from themselves. It's illogical. You know how evolution also doesn't apply in the bible? How does grass grow or any plany before the sun existed? It would be freezing. Grass grew before any photons hit them. That makes no sense.
OK I'm gonna ignore the part about "after their kind" with you because you don't under Hebrew. Literary devices. And no, the sun existed before it is mentioned. The verse says God created "light in the firmament". He let the light through to the point that you could see the sun. Beifre it was hot and gaseous and opaque, allowing plant life to form. Light was still going through.
Beifre it was hot and gaseous and opaque, allowing plant life to form. Light was still going through.
God created lights in the heaven. The literal verse says when he let light shine on the earth.
Genesis 1:17 "And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth"
Earth no light. The sun didnt exist. The earth couldnt even form. It wiuld just be scattered material.
OK I'm gonna ignore the part about "after their kind" with you because you don't under Hebrew. Literary devices.
I study more than you know. You don't understand your bible. You just have to answer for this apparent contradiction. You made a false claim.
Also you must realize that in a hazardous gas like environment plants will not grow. They will die. So no. Quit lying kid. God made the light for heaven.
The first plants evolved in the Ordovician Period.
At the beginning of the period, around 485.4 ± 1.9 million years ago, the climate was very hot due to high levels of CO2, which gave a strong greenhouse effect. The marine waters are assumed to have been around 45°C (113°F), which restricted the diversification of complex multi-cellular organisms. But over time, the climate become cooler, and around 460 million years ago, the ocean temperatures became comparable to those of present day equatorial waters. -Wikipedia
So the plants evolved in the gaseous CO2 atmosphere, the sky being opaque. The waters were to hot to form multi-celluar, but the ground could form plants due to high levels of CO2. Once again, lines up with the Bible.
WTF...no it wouldn't. Five times the modern level of CO2, not O2, would lead to a rise in plant life. I am quoting evolutionary history....stop the bs. I focused a whole year on biblical interpretation and Hebrew source, along with evolution and the big bang.
No that's not what you claimed. That's what evolution claims to happen and they have computer generated possible family members, but no real fossils that are within the species of humans. My point is evolution up to animals works and fits in with the bible. The human evolution doesn't work. I believe that humans were created divenly because humans do not fit in the evolutionary tree or timeframe.
The bible says God made them. Biogenesis says they typically originated from a single celled common organism. That's it. The bible says God made them. Science says otherwise. Humans, by evolutionary studies, shows us the relation we have with all species which implies a common ancestor. We are even related to bacteria.
I realize this but that doesn't mean its necessarily true in regards to humans. I mean just because we make an observation doesn't mean it intuitive. I could say the world is flat becsuse that's what it looks like to me. Guess what?! Because of that observation we believedit for thousands of years. Now we know its not, get my point?
Common logical skills showed us the world wasn't flat. Same for humans. We share DNA relations with all species. This shows us that we originated from a single organism. An ancient ancestor.
Show me the verse that explains that life was made with water. It didn't rain. That is illogical for the creation of life. Also they were formed after Adam and thus your bible throws evolution right out the window. Otherwise you have just revealed a contradiction. The verse I gave cleary said "out of the ground". Water is never mentioned. Especially since it didn't rain. Also Cattle was the only one mentioned as their "kind". Dude read your bible properly. "God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so." Did you just find a contradiction? Just like how the Earth came before the sun?
My question is the "god of gaps" comparable to the atheist refusing to look at theistic evolution and the theistic big bang due to their lack of imagination?
No, your inability to support your claim of a god has nothing to do with my imagination. I don't refuse to look at the evidence for creation any more than I refuse to look at the evidence for space dragons, I can't look at what isn't there.
Well not really, I can see how people can come up with "well God did it" because we have no proof of knowing what happen before the big bang or what created the elements for the big bang to even happen in the first place, however just because we don't know it's not logical to say "See it must be God because we don't know"
Now as for everything being created in 7 days, one could argue with a scientific view point in this way "now this is pure speculation" but one can argue that at the moment of the big bang time itself was compacted "seeing as how space and time are intertwined", so 7 days when space and time was no bigger then a football field time was accelerated so 7 days back then would equal 14.5 billions years now seeing as how the universe is expanding and time stretches with space itself.
But we have no proof of that or if that is even possible scientifically, so in the end we have to stick to the facts that we know as if now, and now we have no proof of God as a creator, but it does not mean there might not be one.
Day in Hebrew is "bara". Bara can mean an unspecified amount of time nor age. Not limited to 7, 24 hour days anymore.
I am not saying the Bible lining up with science is proof of it being correct. But many atheists and agnostics dismiss Christianity because of the fundamentalists interpretation. Also because of this they go from "open-minded" to close minded bigots. Make sense? I am trying to clarify other interpretations and defend them.
Outside of the divine creation of man, does or does not the Bible line up with the big bang and evolution?
It does not. The book of Genesis doesn't line up with the Big Bang Theory or the Theory of Evolution.
Earth did not exist before the sun, and the vast majority, if not all organic life on Earth has a common ancestor, they were not created according to their "kinds".
Earth has a common ancestor, they were not created according to their "kinds"
The Hebrew translates into "by means of the succeeding species". Any person whom studies evolution knows that the connecting generations (1 &2;, 2&3;,........100&101;) are the same species. That is following the Bible. It is the (1......101) that are not in the same species. However god says the different animals came about by staying in the same species, but changed my means of the species in succeeding species. Aka evolution.
Earth did exist before the sun
Already covered! The only mention of the sun is in relation to the earth for light when the clouds cleared, not creation of the sun. Look at any study Bible and you will see this is declarative, not active creation.
Before on the same day, it says let their be light in the "firmament" or the atmosphere of the earth. The sun, moon, and stars are not in earths atmosphere aka its saying light was let in. Verse 16 is simply a clarification on the different kinds of lights.
Source: Strong's Stronger Exhaustive Concordance of the King James Bible.
Looking up Hebrew of "after", "his" or "their", and "kind"
