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Yes, gays should abort No, gays should not abort
Debate Score:54
Arguments:29
Total Votes:71
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 Yes, gays should abort (14)
 
 No, gays should not abort (15)

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Gay Abortion

Alright, so in basic terms, here is the issue:

Some people say that women should be in control of their bodies and have the right to abort. However, there are others who say that abortion is murder.

What is your take on this issue?

Yes, gays should abort

Side Score: 28
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No, gays should not abort

Side Score: 26

How are gays/homosexuals able to conceive a baby to abort since they are gay. Unless it is two women and they undergo artificial insemination. But after paying for that to be done, why would you have an abortion.

Side: Does this question make sense

Why do I get downvoted because I make a response to a question that doesnt make sense. I agree with the rule that you should have to leave a reply with your downvote. I just dont get it, I dont make an unvalid point, so it you dont agree with my vote dont do anything.

Side: Yes, gays should abort
2 points

I don't know who down-voted you but you are being a bit short-sighted in this particular debate and you are not making much sense either! How does a woman conceive if she gay and with another woman? Why would anyone waste the money after paying for artificial insemination to be done? Why is it that you cannot fathom the gray areas that lie within the very tight boundaries of a black and white world? I can only wish that when you are older you may see the world and its people a bit differently than you do now.

Side: The right to abort belongs to all women

Since I have the power to up vote you, I'll rectify the problem.... but I can only do this once. If they down vote you again, you're on your own ;)

Side: Yes, gays should abort
3 points

Gays have the same rights to get rid of a child as a same sex couple. Whats the difference between a lesbian womans BODY and a heterosexual womans BODY ? Nothing sexual orientation should have nothing to do with abortion. Do rapists pick and choose the homos from the heteros ?

Side: Yes, gays should abort
2 points

So only heterosexuals should be allowed abortions?

What part of equal rights is confusing? Maybe I can try and explain...

Side: Yes, gays should abort
DaWolfman(3321) Disputed
2 points

dammit I posted on the wrong freaking debate ........... sorry guys ..........

Side: Yes, gays should abort
iamdavidh(4856) Disputed
0 points

Lol, I was going to point that out, but to answer the post you had here before.

The waters have been muddied by political and religious high jacking of the subject. But there have been no studies that show being raised by gay parents affects kids in any more a negative way than by any other kind of parents.

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If it were the case that it did, there may be an arguement, but it would still be a problem with society, and not the actual parents.

But as it is, all of the fear is unfounded. It's just religious populism bs. There's nothing that shows gay parents are any better or worse for a kid.

Side: Yes, gays should abort

Of course Gay women should be able to abort, just like anyone else on the planet! Hasn't it ever occurred to any of you that circumstances can change very quickly and dramatically in a person's life which may alter a decision that was right and true? Even though I don't see this happening in droves it can still happen. I've known gay women who were artificially inseminated with the sperm of a lifelong and understanding friend who agree to share the responsibility of raising that child. What if something happens to her during her pregnancy? What happens if he dies and she's left alone?

People also have second and third thoughts about such things. It's a very heavy decision for the mother even in today's "enlightened" world. Since when did the decision to abort belong only to heterosexual women?

Side: The right to abort belongs to all women

It seems to me that bringing a child into this world is not a decision that should be taken lightly. You have to do some real soul searching. After you have come to the conclusion that you really do want a child with all your heart, circumstances become the sacrifices you make for that child. Think of it this way, if the child is born, and circumstances change, you can't abort, now what?

There are a lot of irresponsible people out there making some really irresponsible choices and other people are paying the price for those choices. An aborted fetus pays the price of a bad choice. The child of an unwed teenage mother pays the price of a bad choice. The tax payer who is left holding the bag for all the bad choices those CEO's (the ones making millions because they are so smart) made pays the price of those bad choices.

As long as we are willing to bail people out of their bad choices, people won't take the time to seriously consider the consequences of their actions. Why should they? They have a fall back position.

Having said all of that, I realize that we cannot be 100% against helping people out. But we should not be eager to help either. That sends the wrong message. At least make them sweat it out a little so they think twice next time.

Side: Yes, gays should abort

On the topic of being 100% for or against.... there's no absolute truth on this topic....

Disclaimer:

1. I don't know at which stage (of a fetus' development) life begins.

2. I don't know if there's life after death (let alone a God).

If life begins early on, and you abort, and there's life after death, and you meet that fetus, do you say, "I'm sorry, I got cold feet and changed my mind, but it's a fucked up world. You wouldn't have liked it anyway?"

If life begins after birth, and there's no life after death, and your child hates life, do you say, "I'm sorry, I did the best I could. I did what I thought was right."

What does this have to do with absolute truth? We don't know what absolute truth is. We have to make decisions based on our past experiences and our interpretation of those experiences. We are always playing with an incomplete deck of cards. We make choices based on the information we have available to us at that specific point in time. If we could peek into the future and see the consequences of our actions, we would probably make very different choices than those we are making today.... and the world would be a different place.... and since I believe in the goodness of man, I would expect that world to be a better place.

Side: Yes, gays should abort
1 point

Joe, I didn't think we we were talking taxpayers here. The question was simply Gay Abortion...should, should not. I agree with your first paragraph wholeheartedly and know that there are times when abortion is not the answer. A child is born and one must do the best they can for that child. I also hadn't been thinking about the irresponsible people out there since this is such a serious issue.

Side: Yes, gays should abort
1 point

how can a gay woman get pregant to have a obortion if she is really gay . she has to be bi sexual in order to that at least that my atention but there no way the be sexual woman she have a obortion . but people do what they want

Side: Yes, gays should abort
1 point

junglejims49...I don't know how young you are but there are other ways to conceive children. A gay woman need not be bi-sexual in order to have a child. Have you not yet heard about artificial insemination?

Side: Yes, gays should abort
1 point

Do rapists look and pick out the lesbians from heterosexual women? I dont think so. Human Rights falls under this category again.

Side: Yes, gays should abort
2 points

No, 1) Why would they get an abortion, if they took dontated sperm to get pregnant! Like Freinchichick said, it'll be a waste of money on both terms! 2) Why should you or me care on this matter? I know I've said this before, but it is none of our business! If I choose to fall in love with a chick later on in life, then it'll be my business and my "chick-friend"?

Side: The choice is not ours to consider
1 point

Why would they get an abortion, if they took dontated sperm to get pregnant!

A lot of abortions are performed do to health; the mother's life is in danger, the baby is a vegetable or has some horrible and painful disease, if born the child will only live a few minutes and those few minutes will be painful, etc.

Side: No, gays should not abort
2 points

Well since I believe all abortion is wrong, except for a few cases, which I'm not getting into right now, why should lesbians suddenly get the right to an abortion. Besides, they would have gone out of their ways to get the baby artificially inseminated! There are no accidents here! (Except for rape, but I cover that in so many other debates)

Side: No, gays should not abort
2 points

I also believe that abortion really means murder. Because you are planning to take the life of another human being. There are 115, 000 abortion cases everyday and this is a startling figure considering how we are well educated as how to properly use contraceptives and all other measures. There are cases that they really have to resort for that last measure in order to save a life but let us not try to practice this every time that whenever we forget to take our pill and we get pregnant we will just have that baby gone. Let us not take another human life just because of our irresponsibility.

Side: No, gays should not abort
iamdavidh(4856) Disputed
1 point

If abortion is murder so is masturbation, and even if you impregnate a girl hundreds of thousands of "human lives" by your definition of the word are being aborted by god or nature or whatever.

Anyway, it struck me as odd that just over 5,000 hospitals and medical centers in all of the US could somehow possibly perform 115,000 abortions every single day. You'd think doctors and nurses did nothing but abort, 24/7.

So I did some research, and sure enough despite the Christian hijacking of the internet and facts, the number is no where near 115,000 per day. These Christian groups love lying to scare people and whip up zealotry.

The real number is just over 2,000 a day according to the most recent stats by the CDC.

Actually around the world more "kids" die of hunger than abortion every year. If for every time a Christian in the US tried to force their beliefs on someone else, they instead gave a hungry kid a sandwich, it would save more kids than if not a single abortion ever occured.

Side: The right to abort belongs to all women

And a blow job is cannibalism ;-)

Side: Yes, gays should abort
1 point

No women should abort. Women should be able to abort legally. Gay women that are artificially inseminated should not though since it would undo the expensive insemination, which they freely chose. I think this question is worded badly and not explained well, perhaps to lead the question.

I would word the question "What should the penalty be for a woman has an abortion, if any?" Answers: None, no crime; probation, slap on the wrist; jail up to one year; jail more than one year.

A separate question could ask the penalties for a doctor that performed one. I don't think being a lesbian has any thing to do with it if she wasn't artificially implanted or inseminated.

Side: No, gays should not abort

How would you have worded the question? Since I'm the moderator, I have the power to change it ;)

Side: No, gays should not abort
1 point

I know it is wrong to be gay. But, babies are living, too!

Side: No, gays should not abort
1 point

Obviously they have put some work into getting a child and they truly do want the child. A child in a gay home is not under anymore danger than one in a striaght home. Except for form there peirs and honstly teenagers can suck it up. A child in a gay home is under no danger so why not. Why not bring a child into the world that will defently be loved and cared for. The answer is they should be and I know I would much rather a gay happy couple have a child rather than a stright abusive family have a child. Its like saying anyone who hits there spouse even once should abort.

Side: No, gays should not abort
1 point

Obviously they have put some work into getting a child and they truly do want the child. A child in a gay home is not under anymore danger than one in a striaght home. Except for form there peirs and honstly teenagers can suck it up. A child in a gay home is under no danger so why not. Why not bring a child into the world that will defently be loved and cared for. The answer is they should be and I know I would much rather a gay happy couple have a child rather than a stright abusive family have a child. Its like saying anyone who hits there spouse even once should abort.

Side: No, gays should not abort
-2 points
2 points

Seems like a heck of a lot of money to watse...

In the words of Stephen Colbert, "We're at war here, pick a side!"

Side: No, gays should not abort